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Well, at the very least, the spanking scene should put to rest any talk about the show not having changed since the early seasons.

 

The characters have grown and changed, as all people do, but the show itself hasn't really changed.  How does the spanking scene by itself--an interaction between only two characters--prove that the show has changed?

 

The show is still, as Jim Parsons once put it, a show about "extraordinary people in ordinary circumstances".  They're still nerdy genius scientists with a pretty neighbor--and a few more friends--trying to negotiate the waters of the everyday world in their own peculiar ways.

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The characters have grown and changed, as all people do, but the show itself hasn't really changed.  How does the spanking scene by itself--an interaction between only two characters--prove that the show has changed?

 

The show is still, as Jim Parsons once put it, a show about "extraordinary people in ordinary circumstances".  They're still nerdy genius scientists with a pretty neighbor--and a few more friends--trying to negotiate the waters of the everyday world in their own peculiar ways.

 

 

The show hasn't changed? Boy… sometimes its just not worth it 4ofN. What can you say that will ever strike a chord? 

 

Johnny Gelecki said that the actors no longer get science phrases to learn. He said they used to get a page of them and now they are lucky if they get one word per episode. No, no change at all…

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The show hasn't changed? Boy… sometimes its just not worth it 4ofN. What can you say that will ever strike a chord? 

 

Johnny Gelecki said that the actors no longer get science phrases to learn. He said they used to get a page of them and now they are lucky if they get one word per episode. No, no change at all…

 

I think it may be a matter of semantics--have certain aspects changed or has the entire show changed?

 

While it is true that you don't have as much science-speech spouting, the characters are still negotiating the world according to their own strengths and weaknesses, which is what was going on from the beginning.

 

I do think, though, that this season is more like the earlier seasons than the last two have been perhaps.

 

No, it's not going to be like it was at the beginning because the writers seem to be committed to having the characters grow and grow up a bit.  So, I guess if one expects everything and everyone to remain static, then I guess things have changed.  But I don't think it's that they've thrown out the premise or made radical changes.  To me, it's progress along an arc.

That they're spending less time in front of whiteboards perhaps means that that aspect has changed, but who and what they are hasn't changed.

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The show hasn't changed? Boy… sometimes its just not worth it 4ofN. What can you say that will ever strike a chord? 

 

Johnny Gelecki said that the actors no longer get science phrases to learn. He said they used to get a page of them and now they are lucky if they get one word per episode. No, no change at all…

 

This is true and this is exactly what has been bothering me about this season. I wonder why that is though... have the writers dried up in terms of their science knowledge that they are struggling to incorporate as much of it? I know an easy answer is "It's because of the relationships!!!" but I don't think that's the case, P/L existed from the beginning and S/A are the science couple by definition. I don't know why they seem to be neglecting the science stuff lately, it's almost like they're not making the effort or they don't know what to talk about anymore. The only times I can recall science jargon being sprouted out so far this season were when Sheldon explained homeostasis to Penny, when he explained the Higgs Boson to Penny, when Leonard had Penny in his lab (sort of), and when Amy made her limbic system/prefrontal cortex joke.

I do agree we need more of that. 

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1. We had seen this little "innocent" man pimping his friend, preparing for him a package containing lubes, condoms and viagra, declaring his genitals are functional and aesthetically pleasing, enjoying a platonic yet sexually charged roleplay game, talking about sex between spiders and mimicking a fellatio..... "innocent", really?

 

 

 

Look at his face:

 

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Is that the face of an innocent boy suffering abuse?

 

Love this Summery about innocent childman Shelly-Bean.  Put a big smile on my face :-)

 

Totally Agree!

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Amy didn't ask to have vapor rub smeared on her chest.  She didn't ask for Sheldon to give her a bath, nor did she ask him to spank her.  She did not manipulate Shedlon into to doing those things to her.  I don't see how her enjoying them in any way makes her a bad person.

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^^ agreed, and as I think I saw Phanta mention in another thread, Amy allowed Sheldon to walk away from taking care of her, but it was his choice to come back because he cared about her. She came up with the innocent suggestion of not being able to watch the next Star Trek movie as punishment but he wanted to spank her, she also told him to let her rest but he wanted to use the vapo rub. She didn't force him to do anything, she was merely pleasantly surprised and enjoyed the sexual undertones of everything he was doing. Last time I checked, it's not a crime to be sexually attracted to your own boyfriend.

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Look at his face:

 

 

 

LOL! Why do I hear this in Amy's voice in my head??? 

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^^ agreed, and as I think I saw Phanta mention in another thread, Amy allowed Sheldon to walk away from taking care of her, but it was his choice to come back because he cared about her. She came up with the innocent suggestion of not being able to watch the next Star Trek movie as punishment but he wanted to spank her, she also told him to let her rest but he wanted to use the vapo rub. She didn't force him to do anything, she was merely pleasantly surprised and enjoyed the sexual undertones of everything he was doing. Last time I checked, it's not a crime to be sexually attracted to your own boyfriend.

 

Agree.

Regarding the spank, I saw it as an oportunity Amy got for being touched (on the buttocks!) by her sexualy cold boyfriend. Even the position lying on his legs was very hot for her. I didn´t see she was really "enjoying the pain" I think she was enjoying the moment, the feeling of Sheldon spanking#touching her buttocks, the position of him having her on his legs. We need to put ourselves in her place :) If she is feeling "horny" with his handsome boyfriend but she is not getting anything from him then this situation must be very hot/sexy for her. Can you imagine to be on his legs when in real life he is barely huging her? To feel his contact, his body, etc?? IF THIS IS THE ONLY WAY OF GETTING SOMETHING FROM HIM, WHAT A HELL, COME ON  ( I imagine this was Amy´s thought ha ha ) :p

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LOL! Why do I hear this in Amy's voice in my head??? 

 

Yeah, she told this sentence to Penny while showing her a funny photo of Sheldon´s face in her phone :)

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Yeah, she told this sentence to Penny while showing her a funny photo of Sheldon´s face in her phone :)

 

hahah it's true! I knew there was a reason! 

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@ annie

I read the article about spanking and it seems to suggests that some people like being spanked in the same way that some people like their shoulders being massaged or their feet tickled. It's not necessarily always sexual. Nor it is about pain. I'm not into spanking but if I had a partner who liked it, I would do it. If they wanted to spank me, well that's a different matter and I wouldn't be into that. Amy wasn't spanking Sheldon. She does enjoy any contact he's willing to offer though. It was mildy exploitative, but not in a harmful way like you are suggesting. Amy wouldn't purposely do anything to harm Sheldon, she damn near worships the ground he walks on.

 

 @Moonbase, I think the writers did this as the joke, putting bdsm on at 8pm came first, without thinking how it affects the character. The same way Leonard, Raj and Howard screwed with Sheldon's arctic experiment, which was funny but too far. Because normally that's the end of any friendship. 

 

Now as to Amy, the writers didn't see how the funny (and it was funny) spanking scene reflected on her character. And considering Sheldon is a controlling, highly repressed male, making him the unknowing Dominant in a D/s spanking scene is highly unethical and screwing with his psyche.Being the spanker is actually as much a turn-on and a role as the one spanked. I actually know about this stuff as years ago I competed in an erotic short story competition and threw in bdsm elements & researched the topic, those who participate are very clear about  terms of knowledge and consent.

 

The writers keep Amy wanting sex (which is normal)  & Sheldon being clueless as the conflict. So that means her character can't talk to him about what she wants and needs. So she manipulates and exploits his cluelessness. I agree Amy worships Sheldon but she's creepily ruthless, think of her the 4 year plan, 'he's a flight risk.'   It's funny but underhand.

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I think it may be a matter of semantics--have certain aspects changed or has the entire show changed?

 

While it is true that you don't have as much science-speech spouting, the characters are still negotiating the world according to their own strengths and weaknesses, which is what was going on from the beginning.

 

I do think, though, that this season is more like the earlier seasons than the last two have been perhaps.

 

No, it's not going to be like it was at the beginning because the writers seem to be committed to having the characters grow and grow up a bit.  So, I guess if one expects everything and everyone to remain static, then I guess things have changed.  But I don't think it's that they've thrown out the premise or made radical changes.  To me, it's progress along an arc.

That they're spending less time in front of whiteboards perhaps means that that aspect has changed, but who and what they are hasn't changed.

 

And you continue to say exactly what I want to in better words than I could. :)

 

Regarding the science - I'm pretty sure that just quantitatively, a couple of episodes in this season had more science dialogues than almost all of season 4 and 5 put together. So I'm sated for a while, on that issue. 

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This is true and this is exactly what has been bothering me about this season. I wonder why that is though... have the writers dried up in terms of their science knowledge that they are struggling to incorporate as much of it? I know an easy answer is "It's because of the relationships!!!" but I don't think that's the case, P/L existed from the beginning and S/A are the science couple by definition. I don't know why they seem to be neglecting the science stuff lately, it's almost like they're not making the effort or they don't know what to talk about anymore. The only times I can recall science jargon being sprouted out so far this season were when Sheldon explained homeostasis to Penny, when he explained the Higgs Boson to Penny, when Leonard had Penny in his lab (sort of), and when Amy made her limbic system/prefrontal cortex joke.

I do agree we need more of that. 

 

I missed the science and geek stuff too, in fact I hated this seasons  first episodes, it was friends type relationship drama.Ugh!  How they wrecked Howard's space scenes, which could have been about so much more. But later, I noticed the writers were putting science and geekdom in the forefront, so I think with the influx of viewers due to syndication they are replicating more of classic season 1-3 type episodes. And I've thoroughly enjoyed this season.

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 @Moonbase, I think the writers did this as the joke, putting bdsm on at 8pm came first, without thinking how it affects the character. The same way Leonard, Raj and Howard screwed with Sheldon's arctic experiment, which was funny but too far. Because normally that's the end of any friendship. 

 

Now as to Amy, the writers didn't see how the funny (and it was funny) spanking scene reflected on her character. And considering Sheldon is a controlling, highly repressed male, making him the unknowing Dominant in a D/s spanking scene is highly unethical and screwing with his psyche.Being the spanker is actually as much a turn-on and a role as the one spanked. I actually know about this stuff as years ago I competed in an erotic short story competition and threw in bdsm elements & researched the topic, those who participate are very clear about  terms of knowledge and consent.

 

The writers keep Amy wanting sex (which is normal)  & Sheldon being clueless as the conflict. So that means her character can't talk to him about what she wants and needs. So she manipulates and exploits his cluelessness. I agree Amy worships Sheldon but she's creepily ruthless, think of her the 4 year plan, 'he's a flight risk.'   It's funny but underhand.

 

 

Personally, I could have done without the spanking scene. Amy is Chuck Lorre's 'fall guy' right now. He knows he can play with her kookiness and he gives her all the risque stuff. I sometimes wonder what it would take for Amy fans to get pissed off at her treatment. Sheldon fans are highly protective and get annoyed if he's doing something not well received. Amy deserves the same respect.

I know she is an obstacle to a shenny shipper but she's not really a bad stick. She means well and is only guilty of attraction to the guy she dating. Not a super villain or anything.

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The writers keep Amy wanting sex (which is normal)  & Sheldon being clueless as the conflict. So that means her character can't talk to him about what she wants and needs. So she manipulates and exploits his cluelessness. I agree Amy worships Sheldon but she's creepily ruthless, think of her the 4 year plan, 'he's a flight risk.'   It's funny but underhand.

 

You may repeat a lie a thousand times, that won't make it true.

 

How exactly does she "manipulates and exploits his cluelessness"? By accepting him to do what he himself proposed to do? Again, he is the one who proposed rubbing, bathing and spanking, she did nothing but letting him do it, she was even resigned to let him go and ignore her and her illness. You may have a point if she were the one proposing stuff with a double entendre, or the one taking care of him and making up excuses to touch him unapproppriately, but she didn't, she had never.

 

Besides, you keep ignoring the fact Amy is as unexperienced as Sheldon, she may be curious and eager to try sex, but she is, by all accounts, a virgin too, there are no precedents for her regarding that stuff. On top of all, she is socially clueless and is in a relationship for the first time in her life. Why should she be aware of all that "ettiquette" stuff and "correct sexual behaviour" you are talking about, if she is as experienced as a 10 year old?

 

But, you know?, as Sursonica said, you are only interested in making her look bad, so, go on, enjoy one of the very few joys you may have right now regarding shipping in this show.

 

Yeah, she is the worst of the worst: sex-maniac, creepy, disgusting, a manipulative bitch, everything you want to believe.

 

But you know what?

 

Sheldon is in love with her, not someone else, with her.

 

So, eat your heart out.

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Personally, I could have done without the spanking scene. Amy is Chuck Lorre's 'fall guy' right now. He knows he can play with her kookiness and he gives her all the risque stuff. I sometimes wonder what it would take for Amy fans to get pissed off at her treatment. Sheldon fans are highly protective and get annoyed if he's doing something not well received. Amy deserves the same respect.

I know she is an obstacle to a shenny shipper but she's not really a bad stick. She means well and is only guilty of attraction to the guy she dating. Not a super villain or anything.

 

Outside of the obsessive TBBT online fans, the spanking was well received and her character is being praised for this episode. Check the TBBT and Sheldon Cooper TB pages or just search Sheldon Amy on Twitter....

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 @Moonbase, I think the writers did this as the joke, putting bdsm on at 8pm came first, without thinking how it affects the character. The same way Leonard, Raj and Howard screwed with Sheldon's arctic experiment, which was funny but too far. Because normally that's the end of any friendship. 

 

Now as to Amy, the writers didn't see how the funny (and it was funny) spanking scene reflected on her character. And considering Sheldon is a controlling, highly repressed male, making him the unknowing Dominant in a D/s spanking scene is highly unethical and screwing with his psyche.Being the spanker is actually as much a turn-on and a role as the one spanked. I actually know about this stuff as years ago I competed in an erotic short story competition and threw in bdsm elements & researched the topic, those who participate are very clear about  terms of knowledge and consent.

 

The writers keep Amy wanting sex (which is normal)  & Sheldon being clueless as the conflict. So that means her character can't talk to him about what she wants and needs. So she manipulates and exploits his cluelessness. I agree Amy worships Sheldon but she's creepily ruthless, think of her the 4 year plan, 'he's a flight risk.'   It's funny but underhand.

 

Those are very good descriptions and why I find Amy increasingly unlikable.

 

And BTW - those aren't "lies". They're opinions.

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Well, well, well, isn't it convenient?

 

So, when it comes to shippers dreaming with a hookup with the blonde neighbor, Sheldon is "a grown up man and THE alpha male of the series", every time someone else points out the mother/son dynamic they usually share, but when it comes to Amy, he is so very "innocent" and almost a little kid being abused?

 

Let me remind you a couple things:

 

1. We had seen this little "innocent" man pimping his friend, preparing for him a package containing lubes, condoms and viagra, declaring his genitals are functional and aesthetically pleasing, enjoying a platonic yet sexually charged roleplay game, talking about sex between spiders and mimicking a fellatio..... "innocent", really?

 

2. We are not talking about a highly sexually experienced woman taking advantage of an underage teenage boy, we are talking about two adults, presumably both virgins and unexperienced in everything sexual, romantic and social (so, they are en equal grounds in that regard) who happen to be in a relationship. Got it?

 

Totally agree with Sursonica and Phantagrae, what on earth do you mean with "non-consensual"?

 

Were you too busy sobbing over your sinking ship (or better: never launched ship) to hear when both, Sheldon and Amy, agreed to perform the act?

 

And I guess chest-rubbing and assisted bathing are also so-very-hardcore, since Amy, "The Dominatrix" was so excited about them too. To appropiately qualify Amy as masochist or BDSM-enthusiast, you need to see her only or mainly getting pleasure out of pain or domination, she doesn' even have had proper sex yet!

In this case, her pleasure comes out more of the touch (soft or hard) of the man she loves and madly fancies than from pain.

 

And since you are that interested in educate us about spanking, BDSM and fetishes, you could also tell us that for the "dominant part", or the spanker, part of the pleasure comes precisely from the dominant position he/she is having at that precise moment, and from the submission the spanked part offers to him/her.

 

How can you be sure Sheldon, who is a control freak and is oftenly complaining about having to follow his girlfriend's orders. was not getting pleasure out of that same act, even if it was not of strictly sexual nature?

 

Did you also missed the fact that he could had stopped after realizing Amy was enjoying it, but he didn't, instead, spanked harder?

 

Look at his face:

 

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Is that the face of an innocent boy suffering abuse?

 

yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes and yes.

 

And the fact that I CANNOT stop laughing because you used this very screencap that I forced Pammie into posting on her tumblr. I mean, look at that face! Tell me how poor Amy was treating this man, this innocent, sweet, sweet man from Texas who keeps on pointing out he had a full set of pubes by the age of 19 and he has aesthetically pleasing genitals.

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Outside of the obsessive TBBT online fans, the spanking was well received and her character is being praised for this episode. Check the TBBT and Sheldon Cooper TB pages or just search Sheldon Amy on Twitter....

 

 

The spanking was just Lorre seeing how much he could get away with. He's master of the cheap shot.

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As for the inevitable ugly-duckling-to-beautiful-swan episode, the makeup department will earn their pay that week. :icon_twisted:

 

Well, you must be the most perfect-looking person on the face of the earth to make such an ignorant hateful comment.

Talk about cheap shots.

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Oh yeah, all those silly females out there that ruin shows for the men! tsk! 

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