Ship Zone Leonard And Penny Shippers Thread (Possible Spoilers)

[C-Trayne]

Before I start off let me just say that I understand that not everyone is a fan of the romantics that seem to be taking place more and more as the new season progresses. I'm get it, everyone has their own opinions and knows what they want to see. there's nothing wrong with that.

Myself on the other hand, I got into the show because of the L/P relationship. I saw a couple episodes of season 3 on tv and was hooked immediately. I loved how they interacted with eachother, how a l "nerd" like Leonard managed to get a women like penny, and just all around the way the way the show portrayed a relationship like this. Not only that but it gives off a sense of hope almost. I understand its a TV show but hey, if a guy like lenoard can pull off a girl like penny, hell... maybe theres hope for the rest of us in the world after all haha.

Anywho, as I've been browsing the site, i have found that i haven't be able to talk about the L/P relationship as much as i would love to be lol. So i figured i would start a topic where everyone (who wanted) could just discuss the movements, evolution, problems, fights, scares, emotions, and anythign else that happens between the two. A topic dedicated to talking about where we think the relationship will go, if it will last, and if not will it ever be fixed?

Maybe its weird but i just love this couple and wanted a topic that any time i looked at a post i would know the general idea of it is L/P

Edited July 30, 2013 by Tripper

[rickfromillinois]

Although there may be some who disagree, I believe that it was very obvious from the very first episode that a large part of the show would revolve around the Penny/Leonard dynamic. I also believe that this season we are seeing both of them maturing in their releationship to the point that I do not forsee the possibility for a break up between them. Penny in fact did tell Leonrad that she loved him in the last episode, and I think that with her telling Leonard that there is no way that he will ever cheat on her, and I don't believe that she will cheat on him. We may see mistunderstandings and disagreements, but that will be because they are two different individuals with different experiences in their lives. Those problems are what is going to make their relationship interesting to audiences. I think that there will be ups and downs in their relationship be they will stick together.

[SodidIwin?]

Like you the main reason I have continued to watch the show for six years now is the interaction between Penny and Leonard. The bond they have had through the entire series has been quite special. As an eternal optimist I am hoping that this is it and the writers won't break them up again. With the ILY from Penny I think it has solidified their relationship. Penny's wall she put around her to not getting hurt again has been knocked down. Then on Leonard's side the ILY will take away his insecurities he has had. He will show, I believe, now a more confident Leonard. Another reason I don't think they will break them up is not about L/P as much it is the dynamic that has been built between the 3 girls. That chemistry is very good also. So with each having one of the original guys as their mate I think it works out perfectly for future story lines.

[C-Trayne]

You both have some great points looking at this relationship. I agree that they dynamic of the show has been largely about Leonard and his interaction with his "girl next door." I think that because they are the most "normal" of the relationships we see and i put normal in quotes because even they end up facing problems and challenges many people don't. However, i believe it is this normality that draws people into the relationship because a lot of times its easy to relate to whats happening with them on the show. The fights, the break up, the feelings, and the emotions all tell their own story and it makes it possible to not only feel for these characters but to relate them to your own life and problems i know i've been having haha

I also agree with your points about the ILY. It certainly has broken down barriers that have been affecting both parties and will in the end i think bring them even closer together. That being said i am hoping that the ILY doesnt act like a "deus ex machina" and fix all of the problems that they have because i dont think thats the point of it. It was an amazing moment yes and will certainly help but the question is, whats going to happen when/if they decide to talk about it?

[Europa]

Leonard and Penny is also my favorite aspect of the show.

It's hard to say what will happen going forward from the long-awaited ILY, but what I hope will be a result is that Leonard will, in fact, relax. His insecurity in not knowing how she really felt about him was the driving force behind most of his more glaring mistakes in the relationship. Now that Penny has finally come clean about her feelings, he should be able to more easily manage his jealousy and insecurity, and, hopefully, not pressure her with impromptu remarks about marriage!

Penny is still a work in progress, too. It's funny how they went out of their way to have her figure out how much she missed him and that she knew she made a mistake when he was dating Priya, only to have her turn right back into the girl who takes him for granted as soon as they got back together. I suppose this could just be her character but I call it lazy writing. I like all of the progress we've seen this year - the girls pushing her to realize she has to invest in the relationship too and not just be an object of adoration; finally seeing that what Leonard does is pretty cool and gaining a new appreciation for both his job and his intellect - these are good developments.

[SodidIwin?]

I don't know, I actually never took it this year that Penny all of a sudden forgot what she was feeling for Leonard during his time with Priya. I took it that the writers were going one issue at a time and for the sake of review for the old fans and updating the new fans showing her with those faults. Then knocking them off one by one. Just my opinion I could be totally off base.

As for when they finally talk? Will they finally talk is the question? Talking is just not a part of Penny's character. Also, it appears the writers enjoy just moving on without much in depth mentioning of pertinent issues the fans may think are important. They may just proceed with L/P on a new more solid level without further discussion.

However, personally I'm still routing for another proposal and acceptance this time by the end of this season!

Edited November 23, 2012 by SodidIwin?

[C-Trayne]

I don't know that she realized she missed him when he was with priya but really ended up realizing what a really great guy he was compared to the douche-bags she has been dating her entire life. (excuse my french)... Once she figured this out I'm sure she wanted to get back together with him but once she did, she started seeing the things that made her leave in the first place; neediness, insecurities, over thinking things, etc. However, rather than end it like she probably would have she worked through it and tried to fix these things. This is i think is a huge step for her and really shows some growth. Not only that but the ILY has been dropped and it was done so in a way where she can't deny her feelings for him because she said it without thinking and just said what she felt.

I agree that we probably won't see them talk about it specifically but i guess what i meant is if we see them exchange ILY's or if its going to be a one time deal where Penny told Leonard how she felt and not to be scared of her cheating on him then thats it... who knows

Also I too am hoping for a season finale proposal and acceptance

[Europa]

she started seeing the things that made her leave in the first place; neediness, insecurities, over thinking things, etc. However, rather than end it like she probably would have she worked through it and tried to fix these things. This is i think is a huge step for her and really shows some growth.

Great point!

[C-Trayne]

Thank Ya i have spent far too much time delving into this relationship and why it works or doesn't work sometimes haha

and PS. that post was supposed to say "However, rather than end it like she probably would have in the past such as season 3, shee worked through it..."

I type to fast and forget stuff a lot haha

Edited November 23, 2012 by C-Trayne

[Europa]

It's okay, we knew what you meant.

I really like how they handled Penny's ILY. Spontaneous, unthinking - just a statement of fact. With that out there now, we should see Leonard respond in kind with more confidence. I would love to see them fight where it doesn't end in "Are we still dating?" :D While that's funny, the insecurity it reveals is just so sad! I'm hopeful to see them move on to other sources of tension and conflict as the relationship progresses. Lord knows there are plenty of issues that can come up without it always leading back to "are they gonna break up again?" (Hopefully the writers realize that, too.)

[SRAM]

I also want their relationship to grow before marriage is brought up again. Penny needs to learn that she needs Leonard for her happiness in a more long term way before she can really say YES to his proposal (and I still think it would be great if Penny proposes to Leonard). So based on how may L/P storylines they have in a season, I don't want marriage to come up until late season 7 or season 8.

And I agree, NO MORE INSECURITY, from Leonard about the relationship. I just want to see them hold hands, hold each other when with their friends and kiss when they meet, like normal couples. They can fight some but nothing serious enough to impact the relationship.

[C-Trayne]

oh yes... if nothing else the one thing i'm hoping that the ILY did was get rid of the "we're still dating right?" line for good!!!

"I just want to see them hold hands, hold each other when with their friends and kiss when they meet, like normal couples. They can fight some but nothing serious enough to impact the relationship."

also this! ^^ Sorry i didnt quote that right couldn't figure out how

Edited November 23, 2012 by C-Trayne

[Moonbase]

Yes, I do think it's a game changer. Not saying that they won't continue to have their problems but I think the relationship will strengthen from here. The writers made the point of leaving the other two couples out of this episode for the 'you know I love you' moment so it has to mean something to them as well.

[SodidIwin?]

The writers cleared up Penny's issues and said the ILY in record time. It was all taken care of within the first third of the season. They have to had a major reason for that. Something else major will be happening for the spring sweeps and final. After how quickly we saw the ILY and the episodes they used to get it I think two things. 1.) There won't be another break up. 2.) There will be a proposal still this season. Waiting another 1 or 2 seasons for a proposal with a wedding the following season just is spreading it out to long after putting so much into it within an eight episode period. Besides there was a reason the writers had Amy say she will marry Sheldon in four years. So now you have to have L/P's weeding half way between theirs and S/A's. Therefore, I still say L/P proposal this season. Their wedding next season. S/A's wedding season 10. They are the new end game. At least that's what I'm hoping for! Lol!

[SRAM]

I can see you point about rushing things around and all us Lenny fans would like to see them get married, but that would sure make the who lives where part of the fourth floor difficult so I am still no so certain it will happen so fast.

They have made hints about Penny's job being bad so maybe that is what they will build on in the second half of the season. Maybe Penny will become an actress and that will strain their relationship.

But please writers: NO MORE BREAKUPS

[C-Trayne]

Yea the living situation is definetly the first step to this whole situation. Its possible the big thing at the end of this season is that aspect of it. Changing the living situation could have L and P living together for a big part of season 7 before the proposal

Edited November 23, 2012 by C-Trayne

[Shel_Ra_Ho_Le]

Leonard deserves WAY better than Penny. It just seems so forced because of proximity. Its also not fair that Leonard is NOT appreciated for ALL that he is. I wish that Alex would interfere somehow and maybe Penny would stop being so stubborn. Maybe for once Leonard can feel his worth by someone else? Why do the writers WANT us to love the Lenny??

[C-Trayne]

I wouldn't say he deserves better than her. Sure penny can be divaish at times but I think what most of the new season has been about her changing and evolving into a better person and a better girlfriend. We've seen her take interest in his work, defend him from Alex, say ILY, and begin to realize just how much she cares for him. I think this season is foreshadowing great things for them

[SodidIwin?]

I wouldn't say he deserves better than her. Sure penny can be divaish at times but I think what most of the new season has been about her changing and evolving into a better person and a better girlfriend. We've seen her take interest in his work, defend him from Alex, say ILY, and begin to realize just how much she cares for him. I think this season is foreshadowing great things for them

Well said!

[BangerMain]

I don't know, I actually never took it this year that Penny all of a sudden forgot what she was feeling for Leonard during his time with Priya. I took it that the writers were going one issue at a time and for the sake of review for the old fans and updating the new fans showing her with those faults. Then knocking them off one by one. Just my opinion I could be totally off base.

As for when they finally talk? Will they finally talk is the question? Talking is just not a part of Penny's character. Also, it appears the writers enjoy just moving on without much in depth mentioning of pertinent issues the fans may think are important. They may just proceed with L/P on a new more solid level without further discussion.

However, personally I'm still routing for another proposal and acceptance this time by the end of this season!

I so agree with you!

The writers did a review of all of Penny's flaws and faults and in each of the first six episodes presented the problem they caused and suggested or implemented a fix. Yes, it was a bit heavy handed to do it that way but your point explains why they did it this way, it was a review for the old fans and a tutorial for the new on Penny's "greatest hits" .

- Penny won't say I love you to Leonard even when everyone knows she does.

- She gets confused and frightened about her love for Leonard, so she dumps him.

- When she sees another woman with Leonard, she gets very Jealous but hides this from Leonard.

- She does not participate in the things he thinks are fun.

- Leonard is there to worship her and make her happy and what he does when he's not serving her is of no interest.

- The education gap between them makes her insecure so she takes any suggestion that she might bridge that gap as an insult.

Penny used the ILY withholding as protection and a way to keep Leonard in a constant state of striving for her approval. As Raj said in the season opening episode, "Penny, you’ve always known how this man has felt about you, but you made him grovel for affection". Poor Leonard was always off balance and she liked it that way for he would be constantly trying to please her knowing she held that hammer over his head that she might dump him if he did not toe the line. (Are we still dating?)

When Penny did not break-up with Leonard after the "Will you marry me?" during sex, the writers pretty much telegraphed there will be no more break-ups, just bumps in the road as a couple. I believe, as you do, that we will see a proposal at the end of this season and quite possibly, from Penny.

Edited November 24, 2012 by BangerMain

[Europa]

Also, much as it's easy to blame Penny for being the bad girlfriend, Leonard is not without his faults. He's jealous, possessive, and often way too desperate to please when he's in the boyfriend role with her (less so with other women, but still a man who feels like the woman is in charge of the relationship). She admired the "independent" Leonard she saw on their date, when he was asserting his wants and not letting her push him around. It would be good to see them both change for the better while in the relationship.

Edited November 24, 2012 by Europa

[C-Trayne]

I think that a lot of this ^^ this is because of the lack of ILY... he was scared of losing her because he didn't know how she felt Bout him thus he became jralous , insecure, and possevive. It makes total sense he would react that way if he was afraid she didn't love him. Thus it seems the ILY will hopefully fix this.

[Ayebee]

Finally a thread about this! I love you C-Trayne!

[DPK]

While I don't believe there will be another break up for these two, I also don't think they'll be be getting married anytime soon. If there is some major event for L/P this season, I think it will be more in the realm of cohabitation. The idea of living together and being together on a daily basis. That is actually the next logic step in their relationship before marriage. It's one thing to be dating somebody when you have a place you can go back to at the end of the day, it's another when you are living together and really don't have that luxury of having a place to escape to if you have a fight. It's the next test for their relationship. Plus that fact that you know Sheldon will somehow come as part of the package is also a source for comedy on multiple fronts.

I think the biggest problems that this relationship has had over the years and why it hasn't been embraced as quickly as other couples is that the writers really aren't good at writing conflict for these two that doesn't involve the audience wanting to slap one or both of the characters upside their figurative heads. I have yet to watch a fight or conflict between these two characters that had me genuinely laughing and going "that was hilarious". Most people I've talked to whether they ship the pairing or not have said the same thing. Writers and producers will talk till their blue in the face about the need for conflict in the relationship because that is what keeps it interesting, but the fact is that there is a cavet that comes with it....it has to be entertaining to watch. Sadly most of the time when it comes to L/P, it isn't. This is one the biggest reasons why the audience has really embraced Sheldon/Amy because unlike L/P, the writers have been able to make their conflicts very funny and entertaining to watch.

I think there is potential for L/P to be something really interesting and memorable but the writers have to stop with all the melodrama all the time and the notion that we need to see these two in constant conflict with one another. We also need to see more follow up on any major stuff that does happen. Don't have something big occur and then predent nothing happened in future episodes. There's nothing more frustrating from a story-telling perspective. Especially for a relationship that is supposed to be the core relationship of the show.

[SodidIwin?]

I think that a lot of this ^^ this is because of the lack of ILY... he was scared of losing her because he didn't know how she felt Bout him thus he became jralous , insecure, and possevive. It makes total sense he would react that way if he was afraid she didn't love him. Thus it seems the ILY will hopefully fix this.

I agree with you C-Trayne. I have always thought he acted differently with Penny then his other girlfriends because she was the only one he really loved. He was so afraid of losing her which caused the insecurities and confidence issues. Now with the ILY and Penny telling him he is the one she's with, we will now see a new Leonard a more confident Leonard. Also, with Penny finally saying ILY we will see a different Penny too. Hopefully she will now open up more to Leonard. I think they will become a stronger couple. Not that they won't have their issues but I think the petty bickering will go away. Can't wait to see if I'm right!