Ship Zone Leonard And Penny Shippers Thread (Possible Spoilers)

[ArmyGirl]

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With that back drop, a very interesting story line prospectively would be Penny's acting career taking off.  And it would be about time.  But if the writers take that road in Season 7, it could create some potential issues for Leonard.  Let's face it, having a significant other or spouse that becomes a big-time entertainer/performer/celebrity has to create some issues.  Tall, good-looking leading men in Penny's work is one that comes to mind immediately for Leonard to have to deal with.  And celebrity status can be intoxicating to the actor or performer.

 

So while we may have seen a power shift to Leonard (at long last), that could reverse in a New York minute if Penny's acting career kicks into high gear.

 

I'd bet that the writers have been looking at some of these potential story lines and it will be interesting to see what Season 7 reveals.

 

I'm sorry I don't want Leonard being jealous or insecurity of guys hitting on Penny. We had this for six freaking years and it's played out.  Why does Leonard always have to be the one afraid in the relationship? Why can't Leonard be comfortable and security in the relationship while focusing on his career and cheering on Penny in her acting gig?

 

If anything it would be more likely Penny will find herself attracted to some tall good-looking actor after all that was her pattern.  Now with that said I don't want Penny attracted to or falling for some actor... been there done that.  Let Penny have her acting gig and be happy that she has Leonard in her corner cheering her on.

 

Enough with the being jealous and insecurity in Lenny 2.0.  eta:  Lenny could both be busy with work and keep missing each other.  There is plenty for them to face without going the same old route of Season One through Six.

 

As for the power in the relationship I don't see Leonard having more than Penny.  I try to see this new power Leonard has and I just don't see it.  If anything see the power being 60/40 in Penny's favor.

Edited June 18, 2013 by ArmyGirl

[Tensor]

As for the power in the relationship I don't see Leonard having more than Penny.  I try to see this new power Leonard has and I just don't see it.  If anything see the power being 60/40 in Penny's favor.

Who's vocalized being worried about the status of the relationship more, since "43"? As for being attracted to a tall-good looking patter. At no time during their 9 months together did Penny do anything that would indicate that she would cheat on Leonard. Nor, since they got back together, has she done anything to indicate she would cheat on Leonard now.

This is why Penny gets defended a lot here. Unfounded accusations. She did break up with Leonard. She messed with him that night she was drunk. She almost messed with him in 6x2. But simply accusing her of somehow hurting Leonard because of her deciding she'd rather go out with good looking guys, while she is dating Leonard, has no kind of support that I know of.

As for the rest of your post, dead on, but the two above points simply aren't valid .

[ArmyGirl]

Who's vocalized being worried about the status of the relationship more, since "43"? As for being attracted to a tall-good looking patter. At no time during their 9 months together did Penny do anything that would indicate that she would cheat on Leonard. Nor, since they got back together, has she done anything to indicate she would cheat on Leonard now.

This is why Penny gets defended a lot here. Unfounded accusations. She did break up with Leonard. She messed with him that night she was drunk. She almost messed with him in 6x2. But simply accusing her of somehow hurting Leonard because of her deciding she'd rather go out with good looking guys, while she is dating Leonard, has no kind of support that I know of.

As for the rest of your post, dead on, but the two above points simply aren't valid .

 

 

Did you not see the word 'was'....

 

I said I didn't want either jealous or insecurity in the relationship.  I want them happy and supporting each other and while trying to find time for each other during their busy lives.

 

eta:  I didn't say anything about Penny cheating on Leonard.  I said it 'WAS' her pattern being attracted to tall good looking men and no where was that untrue or saying Penny would do anything now that she is with Leonard.

 

You can defend Penny all you want if it makes you feel better as it is your right.

Edited June 18, 2013 by ArmyGirl

[Tensor]

Yeah, I saw the was. I was just pointing out that it was not her pattern when she was dating Leonard previously. Nor has she shown that pattern while dating Leonard this time. So any fear that she would revert to that pattern while she was dating Leonard, is unfounded, that's all. Not to mention, the previous time, she hadn't let Leonard know how strong her feelings were, another reason not to revert to a pattern she didn't follow when dating Leonard anyway.

And, it's still Penny who's been more worried, vocally, about Leonard breaking it off with her, rather than Leonard saying anything about being worried about Penny. At least since "43".

[I.Am.Molly]

I said I didn't want either jealous or insecurity in the relationship. I want them happy and supporting each other and while trying to find time for each other during their busy lives.

I think this is a little unrealistic. I think in almost every relationship there can be a certain amount of jealousy and insecurity. Especially when these two are as different as they are. I suspect Leonard will always be, to a certain extent, insecure about the fact he isn't like the 'tall, handsome, rich' men of Penny's past and Penny will always feel insecure over the fact he is so much smarter than her. I don't think that will change completely, although they are definitely becoming more secure in. The relationship despite these things.

We are starting to get them supporting each other, like in tenure, and I agree I would like to see more of this. Some more fist bumping please, and the 'I'm supporting my man' stuff would be nice!

[hamerman55]

I contend that the only space where Penny has any power in her life is in her relationships. Everywhere else she is relatively powerless. Actors spend most of their working lives being told no and being judged. As a waitress or student she is still in an inferior position. Materially she has literally lived hand to mouth and been dependent on the kindness of strangers.

I read it not that Leonard has the power now (which he has had all the way through, except that she resisted him) but that he has equalised their relative positions by acknowledging that she needed to keep control of something and giving that control to her. If he holds to his commitment then I would like to believe that any future jealousies, like over Cole, will be figments of Leonard's imagination. Its not supposed to be a competition and if they are committed they should work through the challenges together.

If tptb don't play it that way then we've all been had, because this is not a situation that calls for symmetry. They can't go back to being fragile because its implausible. They can only break or go on.

Also, in my view Leonard has never been punished, he just has been a VERY poor communicator, AS HAS SHE and they have both suffered from their misunderstandings. S4 was mostly about suffering and everyone should be content with that. Look how it ended. Nobody came out smelling of roses.

Now they are talking openly as in the valetimes day ep I will feel betrayed if tptb walk back from this.

And i do hope they give her some success, be because being a faculty wife may not be that satisfying or funny.

I think we need to consider that Penny's power in relationships, particularly in her mind, is her beauty and sexual prowess. I believe with respect to Leonard, she is afraid that is all she has to offer, and it is ephemeral. Leonard will likely be a great scientist all his life, but Penny surely fears aging. What she doesn't get is that at this point, Leonard loves her for herself. She needs external validation, as Beverly noted, while Leonard's validation is more internal. He wants external validation, which Penny gives him, but he got very little external validation in the Hofstadter home, so his need is easily met by Penny's regard and now love. Leonard's task going forward is likely to convince Penny he is in love with her, the person, not just the hot sexually experienced actress across the hall.

[hamerman55]

There is also the problem of the notional multiple marriage proposals by Leonard. As far as we've seen, he has only asked twice - once in the midst of his first sex with Penny in two and a half years, and then in the restaurant in the VD episode. Assuming that he does offer frequent marriage proposals to Penny, she probably considers them frivolous as there doesn't seem to be any thought beforehand. In the two cases we've seen, she is right. He didn't have a ring, and that is the first requirement for a serious proposal. He should also ask Wyatt's permission formally, although you can bet that is forthcoming. The narrative implies that Leonard has never seriously asked Penny to marry him, as Howard did for Bernadette. Quite frankly, it is only recently that a proposal was remotely reasonable. They just weren't in a strong enough relationship to justify it. When Leonard asked Penny whar her answer was to the proposal during coitus, she was quite right to say no.

Further, Penny has not until recently given Leonard any assurance in their relationship that she even loved him, so any proposals would have been dumb. One needs to get an ILY before expecting a "yes, I will marry you". The coitus proposal does put Leonard in a bad light, not for what he said in the middle of sex, but that he asked her later in the episode what her answer was. If there was any justification for 6.02 it was this. Leonard should have left it as an inapproprite outburst during sex, and dropped it. Asking Penny for an answer was "weak tea" and stupid. In 6.01 drunk Raj really summed up things well. He knew Penny loved Leonard from their misadventure and the girl-talk he is often privy to, and called Penny out for being wilful and stubborn.

Edited June 19, 2013 by hamerman55

[ArmyGirl]

http://thefutoncritic.com/news/2013/06/17/cbs-announces-2013-2014-premiere-dates-617013/20130617cbs01/

 

CBS Announces Fall Premiere Dates

 

 

CBS's new Thursday two-hour comedy block premieres Sept. 26 with the return of THE BIG BANG THEORY (8:00-8:30 PM, ET/PT),

 

 

new comedies THE MILLERS (8:30-9:00 PM, ET/PT) and THE CRAZY ONES (9:00-9:30 PM, ET/PT) followed by TWO AND A HALF MEN (9:30-10:00 PM, ET/PT).

Edited June 18, 2013 by ArmyGirl

[BangerMain]

I think we need to consider that Penny's power in relationships, particularly in her mind, is her beauty and sexual prowess. I believe with respect to Leonard, she is afraid that is all she has to offer, and it is ephemeral. Leonard will likely be a great scientist all his life, but Penny surely fears aging. What she doesn't get is that at this point, Leonard loves her for herself. She needs external validation, as Beverly noted, while Leonard's validation is more internal. He wants external validation, which Penny gives him, but he got very little external validation in the Hofstadter home, so his need is easily met by Penny's regard and now love. Leonard's task going forward is likely to convince Penny he is in love with her, the person, not just the hot sexually experienced actress across the hall.

 

Dead on!

[Tensor]

Thanks Army girl. Info has been set on my calendar

[mjc45]

They are all extremely good, but A Tragic Fairy tale gets me every time when I read the letter. It sums these two up perfectly.

MOLLY-that letter was great that leonard wrote to penny.

i was late for work that day, my boss did like when i walked

in with red in mine eyes.

yet i do go back and read the last few chapters of that story

when i am not in the best of shape it always pick me up.

thanks for being part of the forum.-good luck 

[Nogravitasatall]

Dead on!

& hamerman55

yup, we can all believe she is loved for just who she is, but she's had some difficulty believing it herself. She may have only just gotten around to believing Leonard. Since her epiphany she's felt better about herself. She can feel deserving of him now. Hence the security going forward and absence of panic about his departure.

[Guitars1964]

& hamerman55

yup, we can all believe she is loved for just who she is, but she's had some difficulty believing it herself. She may have only just gotten around to believing Leonard. Since her epiphany she's felt better about herself. She can feel deserving of him now. Hence the security going forward and absence of panic about his departure.

 

And I'll offer this - I, among others, have criticized Penny's behavior in the past sometimes, but notwithstanding, I am in her corner and pulling for her.  She's a good kid with a good heart.

[I.Am.Molly]

She's a good kid with a good heart.

 

Aww, I don't know why but this little sentence just made me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

 

 

MOLLY-that letter was great that leonard wrote to penny.

i was late for work that day, my boss did like when i walked

in with red in mine eyes.

yet i do go back and read the last few chapters of that story

when i am not in the best of shape it always pick me up.

thanks for being part of the forum.-good luck 

 

Thank you, it makes me happy that you enjoyed it, and that you cried. haha And thanks to you guys for being so nice, it warms my heart

[5Mississippis]

WAY, WAY, WAY, WAY OFF Topic but I just need to rant to my kindred spirits, my bumble bee people.

 

Sad to admit I'm addicted to FanFiction and there is an atrocious Leonard bashing fic currently in progress. I didn't read it, I won't read it. It's just the screaming, abusive summary by the clearly very angry author was enough. I admit I did scroll down reviews and the Shenny are being so positive and affirming with such a clearly bitter, angry, hate filled story. Not judging, anyone can like anything and just because it's far from my liking doesn't make it wrong. But it's hard, for me, not to feel irritated by the cheers this very angry story is getting.    

 

End of rant.

 

Now back to something reaffirming and lovely. 

[I.Am.Molly]

WAY, WAY, WAY, WAY OFF Topic but I just need to rant to my kindred spirits, my bumble bee people.

 

Sad to admit I'm addicted to FanFiction and there is an atrocious Leonard bashing fic currently in progress. I didn't read it, I won't read it. It's just the screaming, abusive summary by the clearly very angry author was enough. I admit I did scroll down reviews and the Shenny are being so positive and affirming with such a clearly bitter, angry, hate filled story. Not judging, anyone can like anything and just because it's far from my liking doesn't make it wrong. But it's hard, for me, not to feel irritated by the cheers this very angry story is getting.    

 

End of rant.

 

Now back to something reaffirming and lovely. 

 

I feel your pain. I could care less about the Shenny's writing their stories and normally they don't bother me being on the site, but I have been really pissed off ever since I saw that one was posted. Every time I see the title on my screen I have to use all the restraint I have not to write the author and ask why they feel the need to be so hateful about a fictional character, after all we never see any Shamy or Lenny stories that are based upon the death, or what looks to be in this case, the killing one of the main characters, that only ever comes out in the Shenny stories. It sucks, and is kind of disturbing, but I suppose there is nothing we can do, just gotta ignore it! haha

[Nogravitasatall]

I have to avoid anything non-canon.

I am still carrying the scars from Alan Dean Foster's "Splinter of the Mind's Eye". And what's up with Empire, where Luke kisses Leia - ewww? Even canon can be disturbing when they haven't plotted everything out. Shenny...my skin crawls.

But that's just me.

Eta Also, ummm, hyperbole alert. Its just the wayout there stuff.

Edited June 20, 2013 by Nogravitasatall

[Oldnavy]

Has anyone else read this recent article, "Catching up with Kaley Cuoco".  I hope you can open it.  In this article they quote Kaley as saying about the Leonard/Penny relationship.

 

“Oh, there’s always a problem with those two – but that’s part of the fun of the show. At the end of day, I think they’re just really good friends for now. That’s what I honestly believe.

“Down the line, like at the end of the show, I really hope they are together – but right now, I think it’s probably not right for them,” said Cuoco.

The actress feels that the character needs some time off from the fiery relationship.

“Penny dating (other guys) ... that would be fun. She hasn’t really done that in a very long time, so it would be cool to see it on the show.”

 

 

http://ecentral.my/news/story.asp?file=/2013/6/20/tvnradio/13237030&sec=tvnradio

 

Has anyone else seen this and what do you think?

[jefflcarr]

Has anyone else read this recent article, "Catching up with Kaley Cuoco".  I hope you can open it.  In this article they quote Kaley as saying about the Leonard/Penny relationship.

 

“Oh, there’s always a problem with those two – but that’s part of the fun of the show. At the end of day, I think they’re just really good friends for now. That’s what I honestly believe.

“Down the line, like at the end of the show, I really hope they are together – but right now, I think it’s probably not right for them,” said Cuoco.

The actress feels that the character needs some time off from the fiery relationship.

“Penny dating (other guys) ... that would be fun. She hasn’t really done that in a very long time, so it would be cool to see it on the show.”

 

 

http://ecentral.my/news/story.asp?file=/2013/6/20/tvnradio/13237030&sec=tvnradio

 

Has anyone else seen this and what do you think?

It doesn't read like it was written recently even though the published date is today and it mentions the 2013 Critics' Choice Awards.  To me it reads like it was written around the 4th or early 5th season.  For her to have actually made those comments at this point, after season 6, doesn't really even make sense.  Just my observations.

[Squidley]

They can always be friends has been their safety net. If Penny started dating other guys why would Leonard ever pursue anything other than friendship. She is with me until something better comes along.

[ArmyGirl]

Some wonder why I and others distrust Penny.  If Lenny 2.0 breaks up then I feel that is the end of the relationship forever and Leonard will need someone else as his love interest. 

 

I always wonder why Kaley was such a big Shamy fan over Lenny fan ---- now Kaley wants Penny to date other guys.

 

 

eta:  Wonder if TPTB are headed this way once again?

Edited June 20, 2013 by ArmyGirl

[ArmyGirl]

They can always be friends has been their safety net. If Penny started dating other guys why would Leonard ever pursue anything other than friendship. She is with me until something better comes along.

 

Yep, once again it sounds like Penny is settling for Leonard due no one better being on the scene. 

[phantagrae]

Has anyone else read this recent article, "Catching up with Kaley Cuoco".  I hope you can open it.  In this article they quote Kaley as saying about the Leonard/Penny relationship.

 

“Oh, there’s always a problem with those two – but that’s part of the fun of the show. At the end of day, I think they’re just really good friends for now. That’s what I honestly believe.

“Down the line, like at the end of the show, I really hope they are together – but right now, I think it’s probably not right for them,” said Cuoco.

The actress feels that the character needs some time off from the fiery relationship.

“Penny dating (other guys) ... that would be fun. She hasn’t really done that in a very long time, so it would be cool to see it on the show.”

 

 

http://ecentral.my/news/story.asp?file=/2013/6/20/tvnradio/13237030&sec=tvnradio

 

Has anyone else seen this and what do you think?

 

I wonder if this is a conglomeration "interview" where they've taken previous quotes and put them together as if they've actually interviewed her before.

None of these answers sound current.

[phantagrae]

Some wonder why I and others distrust Penny.  If Lenny 2.0 breaks up then I feel that is the end of the relationship forever and Leonard will need someone else as his love interest. 

 

I always wonder why Kaley was such a big Shamy fan over Lenny fan ---- now Kaley wants Penny to date other guys.

 

 

eta:  Wonder if TPTB are headed this way once again?

 

Kaley Cuoco doesn't write the show.

[I.Am.Molly]

I just read the article, and i'm pretty sure that I have read those quotes before. I think they are old ones, taken from around season 4/beginning of season 5 time. I don't think we have anything to worry about!