Ship Zone Leonard And Penny Shippers Thread (Possible Spoilers)

[Chrismo]

To use Friends as an analogy, I think we'd all like to see Lenny hereafter treated like Monica and Chandler (Mandler, Mondler, Chanica??) as opposed to Ross and Rachel.

 

 

I don't understand the comparison when it comes to Friends since I have never seen one episode and don't wish too. 

 

So, I have to ask why is TBBT constantly compare to this show and it's relationships?

 

Don't most comedy basically follow the script?

 

Thanks

 

 

I agree with what ArmyGirl about the comparison of TBBT and Friends.  I have seen some of the episodes of Friends and I do not see a lot of similarities accept the relationships to a point.  As to the humor, I think that TBBT is a lot funnier than Friends.   

I agree with jefflcar. ArmyGirl and Oldnavy you two are the ones that are alway expecting the worst to happen with Lenny. ( I can see your point of view.) Ross and Rachel were the same way. Something always seemed to happen (for the worse) just like Leonard and Penny. They were their shows each original couple and you wanted them to be together. I agree with the shows don't have that many other similarities. As to the humor it like comparing apples and oranges. I also agree Lenny fans would probably like things to end up like Chandler/Monica(married) than Ross/Rachel(sort of left you hanging)

[jefflcarr]

I guess I don't really see the similarity in the shows being in their content, but rather their basic structure (character driven sitcom, number of people, age, etc.).  I love each one on its own merit and have no desire for TBBT to become like Friends.  What I meant by my analogy was that I'd prefer to see Lenny stay as a stable relationship that encounters bumps and bruises and growing pains (like Monica and Chandler's did after they got together) than be off and on and off again only to hastily be thrown back together at the end (like Ross and Rachel's).

 

Ross and Rachel's relationship really only brought angst and dissatisfaction to the show, while Monica and Chandler's brought plenty of funny story lines.

 

Hope that all makes sense

[I.Am.Molly]

I guess I don't really see the similarity in the shows being in their content, but rather their basic structure (character driven sitcom, number of people, age, etc.).  I love each one on its own merit and have no desire for TBBT to become like Friends.  What I meant by my analogy was that I'd prefer to see Lenny stay as a stable relationship that encounters bumps and bruises and growing pains (like Monica and Chandler's did after they got together) than be off and on and off again only to hastily be thrown back together at the end (like Ross and Rachel's).

 

Ross and Rachel's relationship really only brought angst and dissatisfaction to the show, while Monica and Chandler's brought plenty of funny story lines.

 

Hope that all makes sense

 

I hope so too! I always favoured the Chandler and Monica relationship to Ross and Rachels. The thing with Leonard and Penny is that, unlike Ross and Rachel, after they got together the first time (In season 3) they have spent almost as much time together as they have apart, whereas most of the R/R relationship was spent apart, besides a few kisses and one night stands. Therefore I think the writers will continue to keep them together, instead of messing with them and breaking them up. They have been together too long to be able to break them up for good reason without making either one of them out to be the bad guy and have us pretty much hate them! haha

 

Sorry if that sounded a little jumbled, it's getting late over here!

[BangerMain]

It seems to me that the person who understands Shamy the best is Lorre. At least he's professed his thinks it's sweet and he wants to see them move, as they have, very slowly, with Sheldon digging his heels in all the way

 

This is the way these two superpowers of TBBT have stated their opinions in the press. Malaro has always been a straight up Lenny and hates to see them have any long term pain. He was against them breaking up in season 3 but was told to do so by Lorre. Now that he runs the show, Malaro will probably give Leonard and Penny only small detours on their way to marriage just to stretch out the inevitable. I sure want him to be happy.

 

Lorre is so proud of the Shamy and for good reason. It is in my opinion one of the most unique relationships in TV history. Whether Malaro really cares about the Shamy or not, only he knows for sure. He does seem to want to make sure Sheldon is not changed too quickly by Amy and the way his writing team is doing it can grate on me, since Sheldon has become a royal pain in the ass during season 6 and a road block to the Penny and Leonard story line since the couple treat him like a ward or pet that requires their constant attention.

Edited June 27, 2013 by BangerMain

[I.Am.Molly]

Sheldon has become a royal pain in the ass during season 6 and a road block to the Penny and Leonard story line since the couple treat him like a ward or pet that requires their constant attention.

 

I have to disagree with this point. I really don't think Sheldon is a road block in their relationship. Sure he has intervened in a few heartfelt moments, like the finale scene in the car, but I don't think anything he has done has halted their relationship in any way. the thing that has stopped their relationship from growing faster has been Penny's reluctance to share her true feelings and Leonard's occasional neediness and insecurity. I think they treat him like a child sometimes, but that is just the dynamic of their relationship and I think it is more so Penny than Leonard that treats him like that. I also don't see how he has become a 'pain in the ass', to me he is no different in this season than he has been in almost every one of them. Except from the fact that he is starting to grow closer to Amy.

[Nogravitasatall]

Lorre put Alan tied down on a bed,in a latex gimp suit, with a toothbrush cunningly placed. I hope that show remains as his outlet and never goes of air.. or Sheldon beware.

(not that there's anything wrong with that, lol).

[I.Am.Molly]

Lorre put Alan tied down on a bed,in a latex gimp suit, with a toothbrush cunningly placed. I hope that show remains as his outlet and never goes of air.. or Sheldon beware.

(not that there's anything wrong with that, lol).

 

Oh god. I'm currently trying to write a rather heated chapter and those words just put the image of Leonard in a gimp suit in my head... Not cool dude, not cool. Although the image of Sheldon in a gimp suit is just as bad... if not worse. I hate you.

 

[eirwinrommel]

I'd like to see an episode where Sheldon has been in an accident and broke his jaw (can't talk) and his fingers (can't type) and Amy's taking care of him (he'd have time to consider how lucky he is to have her). In my opinion, in real life, Amy would have been out of there by now looking for someone who treats her better.

Edited June 27, 2013 by eirwinrommel

[Nogravitasatall]

Oh god. I'm currently trying to write a rather heated chapter and those words just put the image of Leonard in a gimp suit in my head... Not cool dude, not cool. Although the image of Sheldon in a gimp suit is just as bad... if not worse. I hate you.

that's ok. As you saw earlier I hate myself too. Lol.

You can write Penny and Leonard as P/l if you put him in a gimp suit. hehehe.

[I.Am.Molly]

that's ok. As you saw earlier I hate myself too. Lol.

You can write Penny and Leonard as P/l if you put him in a gimp suit. hehehe.

 

I just.... no I couldn't. I don't think I have it in me to do it; the desire or the ability! haha

[Nogravitasatall]

I'm having enough trouble with the m-rated ff as it is, so yay! Leave that for Shenny. Lol.

[vasu]

some one mentioned about reality , one scene comes to my mind which stretches credibility beyond belief... the ending scene in Agreement episode with Priya , Sheldon blackmail Leonard by putting his relationship in Priya in danger to get him sign the new RA which is highly favorable to Sheldon ... and this all he does so that he could pee and eat whenever and whatever he likes .....  So why in the world would Leonard want to continue to live with a guy as cruel and as selfish as Sheldon after this remains a mystery... it was a despicable act...a huge betrayel of friendship..completely overlooked by the writers.... 0% reality....

 

Since Leonard never leaves the apartment nor confronts Sheldon during that scene , he looks like a massive massive wimp..... sometimes I wonder what Penny sees in him...

[Chrismo]

some one mentioned about reality , one scene comes to my mind which stretches credibility beyond belief... the ending scene in Agreement episode with Priya , Sheldon blackmail Leonard by putting his relationship in Priya in danger to get him sign the new RA which is highly favorable to Sheldon ... and this all he does so that he could pee and eat whenever and whatever he likes .....  So why in the world would Leonard want to continue to live with a guy as cruel and as selfish as Sheldon after this remains a mystery... it was a despicable act...a huge betrayel of friendship..completely overlooked by the writers.... 0% reality....

 

Since Leonard never leaves the apartment nor confronts Sheldon during that scene , he looks like a massive massive wimp..... sometimes I wonder what Penny sees in him...

I think you missed the point. While Leonard was a massive wimp it wasn't because of Sheldon it was because of Priya. What Leonard should have done was dump Priya right then. All Sheldon did was show how little Priya thought of Leonard by being "embarassed" to tell her parents about him. If anything Sheldon was more of a friend by pointing this out to Leonard. Obviously Leonard couldn't figure this out on his own.

[AndyRenee]

I love Friends and still do! I think a lot of the comparisons between these two shows come from the similarities in the Ross/Rachel and Leonard/Penny relationships. Mainly being that Ross was the geek who loved the popular girl from afar for so long before finally getting the chance to be with her. Although I never really got invested in the R/R relationship, and certainly not to the extent that I have with L/P. Apart from that, I really don't see many other similarities, except maybe that the two main locations in the show are between two apartments.

 

Anyhow, I don't mind the comparisons, frankly if TBBT is still being shown on television and being watched regularly by people like me so long after the show has even finished it will be a pretty decent accomplishment. Not many comedies can be shown over and over again and still make people laugh every time, and TBBT as well as Friends definitely fall under that category, for me anyway! 

 

I want to applaud and thank you for being one of the rare TBBT fans who do not insult the legendary show that Friends is. I really appreciate this being SUCH a fan of Friends. Kudos.

Edited June 27, 2013 by AndyRenee

[phantagrae]

I think you missed the point. While Leonard was a massive wimp it wasn't because of Sheldon it was because of Priya. What Leonard should have done was dump Priya right then. All Sheldon did was show how little Priya thought of Leonard by being "embarassed" to tell her parents about him. If anything Sheldon was more of a friend by pointing this out to Leonard. Obviously Leonard couldn't figure this out on his own.

 

I agree.

Lionne just mentioned, at the other forum, that although Priya wasn't a terrible person, and she was trying, in the Agreement Dissection, to make life easier for Leonard by poking holes in the Holy Relationship Agreement, in the end, Sheldon knew the ultimate flaw in their relationship--that Priya wouldn't own up to the relationship when it came down to brass tacks.

And in the long run, Priya wasn't as committed to the relationship as Leonard was.  Even though he struggled with temptation when Alice came along, Priya faced temptation also and apparently didn't struggle very much, but totally gave in.  And apparently wasn't in any rush to admit her guilt until Leonard did it first.

 

Imagine the triumph for Leonard if Priya had said, "Go ahead, tell my parents!  I'm proud to tell my parents that I'm dating him!"  But Sheldon gambled, knowing that he'd win because he knew that Priya would choose peace with her parents over love with Leonard.

 

And I think it's important to point out that Sheldon has never tried to undermine Leonard's relationship with Penny.  He might disapprove of their "amorous activities" happening on the other side of a thin bedroom wall, and he may poke fun at Penny's lack of education, etc., yet he accepts her as a friend and part of their social group in a way he never did with any of Leonard's other girlfriends except for Dr. Stephanie (and that was probably more for himself than for Leonard--Sheldon wanted a doctor for their "landing party".)

Edited June 27, 2013 by phantagrae

[vasu]

I think you missed the point. While Leonard was a massive wimp it wasn't because of Sheldon it was because of Priya. What Leonard should have done was dump Priya right then. All Sheldon did was show how little Priya thought of Leonard by being "embarassed" to tell her parents about him. If anything Sheldon was more of a friend by pointing this out to Leonard. Obviously Leonard couldn't figure this out on his own.

 

I don't think I missed anything...

 

Lets see what actually happened in the show:

 

Priya negates the roommate agreement and even Sheldon can see she was correct ....and this all she was doing so that her boyfriend could have a little bit easier life...

 

Later Sheldon goes to bar and stuff and later AMY gives him that advice.... so all Sheldon knew was that he was going to use Leonard's relationship (in this case putting his relationship in jeopardy) to get what he wants ( in this case eat and pee whatever and whenever he likes) .... That's it..... That's all it....... which makes it an utterly despicable act.... a cowardly act....a mean act....

 

Sheldon clearly took a chance on his friend's relationship , so on his friend's life....

 

clearly in the last scene where Sheldon talks to Amy again , he clearly acts like Leonard's relationship troubles were just another petty nuisance he had to endure....so it was obviously all about himself....and nothing about Leonard.,. 

 

Now what Priya did was completely different issue..and we cannot judge that episode based on things that happened later because at that point no one knew where their relationship was going....

 

And you're right in that regard to Leonard's response to Priya.....In fact Leonard should have felt double betrayed , by both his girlfriend and his best friend...so even if there was any tiny bit of reality ... Leonard would dump Priya and run fast run far from Sheldon asap....  but Leonard does none of those things... so looks like a massive wimp...

 

so at the end of that episode we(I) had 2 unlikable protagonists in the show ...... a selfish guy who would even destroy someone else's relationship in order to get what he wants..... and the other a spineless wimp......

 

 

Simply put the problem was the writers were so focused on having Sheldon win over Priya , that they completely neglected what an effect that would have on Leonard in a real world...

Edited June 27, 2013 by vasu

[ArmyGirl]

........

 

 

Simply put the problem was the writers were so focused on having Sheldon win over Priya , that they completely neglected what an effect that would have on Leonard in a real world...

 

It seems the only thing the writers are concern with is that Sheldon wins at all cost.  None of the other characters really matters and is more like chess pieces to be move around in order for Sheldon to come out the winner.  I noticed since Season Two that the writers didn't give a darn about the character Leonard or how his fans would feel about him being dump on or basically demised all in the name of Sheldon the Great.  How many times have Leonard being allowed to best Sheldon?  No matter what Sheldon does Leonard is made to take it.  It's all about what Sheldon feels? What Sheldon wants? How it affects Sheldon? 

 

Heck just look at the Season Six Finale, it was Leonard that got the job opportunity, yet it was about Sheldon?  Leonard was almost pushed to the background and I am sure anything dealing will the storyline (if it continues) will be all about Sheldon and how he is effect.  The so- called friendship of Leonard and Sheldon is so one sided it's a shame to call it a friendship in my opinion.  It's sad that the writers won't allow Leonard to finally walk away from Apartment 4A and find a place of his own and truly start the next level of his life.  Now that would be interesting to see how both Leonard and Sheldon get on in life without being in each other back pocket.

 

Finally as long as Leonard is in the same apartment with Sheldon the character will NOT be allowed to truly grow and mature because he is Sheldon whipping post.

Edited June 27, 2013 by ArmyGirl

[SRAM]

Amygirl, you are so right. Sheldon has to be the most selfish character I have ever seen on a sitcom. He uses everyone, even his girlfriend (Amy is too good for him), and Leonard is trapped by him. The writers almost make Leonard his servant and when Leonard resists, Sheldon does something like pull the apartment building circuit breaker and come up with a lame 'Leonards Day'. I was really hoping Leonard and Penny would move in together, so Leonard could get away, maybe after he comes back from the North Sea.

[Chrismo]

I don't think I missed anything...

 

Lets see what actually happened in the show:

 

Priya negates the roommate agreement and even Sheldon can see she was correct ....and this all she was doing so that her boyfriend could have a little bit easier life...

 

Later Sheldon goes to bar and stuff and later AMY gives him that advice.... so all Sheldon knew was that he was going to use Leonard's relationship (in this case putting his relationship in jeopardy) to get what he wants ( in this case eat and pee whatever and whenever he likes) .... That's it..... That's all it....... which makes it an utterly despicable act.... a cowardly act....a mean act....

 

Sheldon clearly took a chance on his friend's relationship , so on his friend's life....

 

clearly in the last scene where Sheldon talks to Amy again , he clearly acts like Leonard's relationship troubles were just another petty nuisance he had to endure....so it was obviously all about himself....and nothing about Leonard.,. 

 

Now what Priya did was completely different issue..and we cannot judge that episode based on things that happened later because at that point no one knew where their relationship was going....

 

And you're right in that regard to Leonard's response to Priya.....In fact Leonard should have felt double betrayed , by both his girlfriend and his best friend...so even if there was any tiny bit of reality ... Leonard would dump Priya and run fast run far from Sheldon asap....  but Leonard does none of those things... so looks like a massive wimp...

 

so at the end of that episode we(I) had 2 unlikable protagonists in the show ...... a selfish guy who would even destroy someone else's relationship in order to get what he wants..... and the other a spineless wimp......

 

 

Simply put the problem was the writers were so focused on having Sheldon win over Priya , that they completely neglected what an effect that would have on Leonard in a real world...

What you and others have said about Sheldon is absolutely true. Its been going on the length on the show. At that point in the show though people who were watching and more importantly people on the L/P forum really looked at Priya as the enemy. I think many people, including myself, really didn't look at it as a victory for Sheldon but a victory for Leonard and Penny. To me there was no way Priya and Leonard were going to last and if this was going to get rid of her the sooner the better.

[Guest DroneInTheSun]

Now what Priya did was completely different issue..and we cannot judge that episode based on things that happened later because at that point no one knew where their relationship was going...

 

Not really, because it's literally the first proof that she isn't committed to her relationship to Leonard. Then there's the fact that she's going back to India and doesn't tell him (only three episodes later), and of course the coup de grâce when she cheats on him. You can't brush off the Roommate Agreement incident as unimportant because it's symptomatic of the fact that Priya ultimately doesn't give a crap about Leonard.

 

Re: Sheldon - I agree that in The Agreement Dissection, he wasn't thinking about Leonard, and that it seems that their friendship is most often than not one-sided, but Sheldon's also proved he actually cares about Leonard. I don't think you can really brush off their friendship like that either. Leonard's been a positive influence on Sheldon from Day One, and Sheldon knows it - that's why he tells Leonard he loves him at least twice.

[I.Am.Molly]

Re: Sheldon - I agree that in The Agreement Dissection, he wasn't thinking about Leonard, and that it seems that their friendship is most often than not one-sided, but Sheldon's also proved he actually cares about Leonard. I don't think you can really brush off their friendship like that either. Leonard's been a positive influence on Sheldon from Day One, and Sheldon knows it - that's why he tells Leonard he loves him at least twice.

 

I agree. I think you guys are being a little hard on Sheldon. Sure he can get a lot of the focus put onto him, but that is down to the fact he is such an eccentric character and so much of what happens effects him in the biggest and funniest ways. This is a comedy after all and the writers are always going to go for what is funny. Yeah he can be selfish and egotistical, condescending and a real pain in the ass, but he really does care for his friends. It's why he asked Penny not to hurt Leonard, and why he helped Penny when she fell in the bathtub. It's why he went through so much trouble to reinstate the full roommate agreement. Of course you could say that this was just because he wanted Leonard to drive him around everywhere again, but I think it was more to do with the fact he wanted him to be his friend again.

 

I don't think Leonard living with Sheldon has stunted his growth or trapped him. Leonard could move out whenever he wants. He has no ties to Sheldon besides that piece of paper so if he really wanted to, he could leave, but he stays of his own free will because he understands how Sheldon is and accepts him that way. Johnny Galecki said it best when he said that the two of them sort of need each other. They are freaking Bert and Ernie guys! Come on!

[Nogravitasatall]

My inclination is to to think that the most of the other characters forgive Sheldon because if they don't he will go back to living by himself with a lawn chair, a tv and no friends. They, Leonard and Penny in particular, think that woud be sad. Bernadette, on the other hand....

[eirwinrommel]

My inclination is to to think that the most of the other characters forgive Sheldon because if they don't he will go back to living by himself with a lawn chair, a tv and no friends.

You say that like that would be a bad thing. Besides Amy probably wouldn't let that last for long (unless she can tape electrodes to his brain and study the effects of isolation). Or Sheldon would ensnare a new (non Amy) room mate to oppress/enslave.

[Nogravitasatall]

I agree. I think you guys are being a little hard on Sheldon. Sure he can get a lot of the focus put onto him, but that is down to the fact he is such an eccentric character and so much of what happens effects him in the biggest and funniest ways. This is a comedy after all and the writers are always going to go for what is funny. Yeah he can be selfish and egotistical, condescending and a real pain in the ass, but he really does care for his friends. It's why he asked Penny not to hurt Leonard, and why he helped Penny when she fell in the bathtub. It's why he went through so much trouble to reinstate the full roommate agreement. Of course you could say that this was just because he wanted Leonard to drive him around everywhere again, but I think it was more to do with the fact he wanted him to be his friend again.

I don't think Leonard living with Sheldon has stunted his growth or trapped him. Leonard could move out whenever he wants. He has no ties to Sheldon besides that piece of paper so if he really wanted to, he could leave, but he stays of his own free will because he understands how Sheldon is and accepts him that way. Johnny Galecki said it best when he said that the two of them sort of need each other. They are freaking Bert and Ernie guys! Come on!

I have difficulty considering Sheldon as other than an absolutist utilitarian. These may be garbled terms, but generally he doesn't reflect on how he affects others. Leonard over thinks these things and Penny generally doesn't have to think about them at all as she just intuits and acts. Maybe that's a spectrum.

Leonard has to make a big decision one day about what he really wants and he may just have to climb right over Sheldon to do it. If Penny gives him the green light, Sheldon should be a dot in the rear view mirror. Leonard can just text him later, to let him know what happened.

[hamerman55]

Many of the problems with Sheldon is his demand for control over every aspect of his life. The sad thing is that he is chasing something that simply doesn't exist. He had an alcoholic father, which triggers many issues, and a mother that dove into very controlling religion. Add to it the fact that he is as smart as he is, it is logical that he would try to obtain control. The deal with Priya and the Roommate Agreement was more about control over his environment than winning, per se. It is true that winning allows him to force a more restrictive Roommate Agreement on Leonard, but I do not think the winning was the important point. I believe that Sheldon simply loses sight of the effects of winning in this case on Leonard, because his fear of losing control overwhelms him. He also wants Priya out of Leonard's life because it disrupts his life. He is too self-centered to realize that this is something he has no right to exert control over. 

 

Personally, there are four bad people here. Sheldon, for showing no restraint in his quest to exert control over his environment, Priya for her racism, Amy for encouraging Sheldon to "play dirty" and Leonard, for going along with it all. As has been mentioned above, Priya's refusal to acknowledge her relationship with him should have been an immediate deal breaker. However, of these four, only Leonard has shown any growth since that episode. Clearly he isn't taking as much crap from Penny as he used to, and he's about one more strike away from moving out on Sheldon. His life is better because of this growth, and that growth should be a factor in the next season. Sheldon is walking on thin ice right now, and Leonard knows he could crook his finger at Alex and replace Penny immediately. He has actually done nothing to put Alex off his scent.

 

An interesting observation I have seen in several places is that control freaks that actually have the power to control others often have deviant sexual desires. Basically they are turned on by the opposite of control (bondage, etc.). Maybe some of Sheldon's issues with Amy are that he really wants her to control him, and that desire frightens him. Passive guys like Leonard go the other way. It seems that Penny really likes it when Leonard exerts control.

 

To be sure, Sheldon as a nerd hates to lose, and must be right. The writers seem to enjoy making Sheldon right beyond all reason, as in the aforementioned Priya episode. This next season will be very interesting, in that control and winning will be harder for Sheldon to get with regard to Leonard.