Ship Zone Leonard And Penny Shippers Thread (Possible Spoilers)

[vasu]

 

In your opinion it wasn't funny. I thought it was, and i'm sure I'm not the only one. And to be fair, you only had to 'sit through' one episode of Penny breaking up with Leonard, the first time they simply stopped dating, no real drama involved there. Chrismo is right, this show is a comedy, so obviously the writers are going to go with what is funny before they go with what is dramatic. That's why Leonard leaving was made more comical, as well as when Howard left and when he returned. I have no doubt that when Leonard returns, it will be funny. The writers have always picked funny over heartfelt, and I hope they always do. Except maybe a few isolated scenes, like the Shamy in Sheldon's bedroom, and Penny's epiphany, that really do require those dramatic moments.

 

There was a pretty cheesy scene with lots "Aww's" from audience when Howard left in the season 5 finale in which even Sheldon showed real emotion.....which was completely absent when Leonard was leaving......

Edited June 29, 2013 by vasu

[I.Am.Molly]

There was a pretty cheesy scene with lots "Aww's" from audience when Howard left in the season 5 finale in which even Sheldon showed real emotion.....which was completely absent when Leonard was leaving......

 

Just because there were no 'Aww's', doesn't mean there was no emotion. I know the car scene in the finale had a few outbursts from Sheldon, but can you really watch that scene and look at how Leonard and Penny are acting in it and say it lacked real emotion? The same goes for when Penny said 'I love you' to Leonard. There were no 'Aww's' from the audience there because the acting from Kaley and Johnny was so good that everyone was completely drawn in and silent. That is showing real emotion.

[vasu]

Just because there were no 'Aww's', doesn't mean there was no emotion. I know the car scene in the finale had a few outbursts from Sheldon, but can you really watch that scene and look at how Leonard and Penny are acting in it and say it lacked real emotion? The same goes for when Penny said 'I love you' to Leonard. There were no 'Aww's' from the audience there because the acting from Kaley and Johnny was so good that everyone was completely drawn in and silent. That is showing real emotion.

 

umm , I was talking about Leonard and Sheldon not Leonard and Penny

 

and you're right about real emotion.... which as I have said before , it just needs one look or few seconds to show it...

 

I was just pointing out the season 5 finale scene because u mentioned that Howard leaving was treated as entirely comical....but it was not...

Edited June 29, 2013 by vasu

[I.Am.Molly]

umm , I was talking about Leonard and Sheldon not Leonard and Penny

 

and you're right about real emotion.... which as I have said before , it just needs one look or few seconds to show it...

 

I was just poiting out the season 5 finale scene because u mentioned that Howard leaving was treated as entirely comical....but it was not...

 

You're right, I take your point about not all of Howards absence being comical, but for the most part it was, just like this season's finale. The emotional moments in this years finale was shown in L/P rather than Sheldon, but that is where the writers got their comedy from. If they had Sheldon also being upset that his friend was leaving there would have been too much drama. And Sheldon did say a few nice words to Leonard during his party, and I know he implied that he was 'acting', but I do think he meant some of it, but then maybe that's just me.

[vasu]

You're right, I take your point about not all of Howards absence being comical, but for the most part it was, just like this season's finale. The emotional moments in this years finale was shown in L/P rather than Sheldon, but that is where the writers got their comedy from. If they had Sheldon also being upset that his friend was leaving there would have been too much drama. And Sheldon did say a few nice words to Leonard during his party, and I know he implied that he was 'acting', but I do think he meant some of it, but then maybe that's just me.

 

Again as I said , all it takes is one look or few seconds.., and it was the perfect situation for them to do so...

 

Same thing happened in season 3 finale.... When a drunk Leonard goes to Penny , you would think Penny who was supposed to "care about him so much"  show some sympathy/affection towards Leonard because clearly she had to know that she hurt him (unintentionally ofcourse)..... so if Penny does not show any sympathy toward him , why should any viewer do???.... so as a result neither Penny was likable nor Leonard was sympathetic...

Edited June 29, 2013 by vasu

[I.Am.Molly]

Again as I said , all it takes is one look or few seconds.., and it was the perfect situation for them to do so...

 

Same thing happened in season 3 finale.... When a drunk Leonard goes to Penny , you would think Penny who was supposed to "care about him so much"  show some sympathy/affection towards Leonard because clearly she had to know that she hurt him (unintentionally ofcourse)..... so if Penny does not show any sympathy toward him , which should any viewer do???.... so as a result neither Penny was likable nor Leonard was sympathetic...

 

She was probably embarrassed about the fact that she had went to him while she was drunk and used him for sex. She was probably caught off guard by him turning up to her door unexpectedly and her first instinct was to run and hide, like when he said 'I love you' to her. I'm not saying what she done was right, but I can see her reasoning behind it. The thing is there is probably loads of situations where there could have been some emotion moments put in, and I know you say it takes just a second, but the writers would rather fill that second with comedy than some serious 'look' or whatever.

[ArmyGirl]

Again as I said , all it takes is one look or few seconds.., and it was the perfect situation for them to do so...

 

Same thing happened in season 3 finale.... When a drunk Leonard goes to Penny , you would think Penny who was supposed to "care about him so much"  show some sympathy/affection towards Leonard because clearly she had to know that she hurt him (unintentionally ofcourse)..... so if Penny does not show any sympathy toward him , which should any viewer do???.... so as a result neither Penny was likable nor Leonard was sympathetic...

 

I understand what you are saying.  Just look at the way Penny treated Sheldon in Season Three Premiere 'The Electric Can Opener Fluctuation' and compare it to the way she treated Leonard in Season Three Finale 'The Lunar Excitation'.  There are many examples where Penny doesn't show any kind of sympathy for Leonard and I always wonder why she feels so deeply for a hurt Sheldon but rarely a hurt Leonard. 

 

I don't know if the writers intended for most of the scenes to play out that way but sometimes one could be left with the impression that Penny cared more about Sheldon than she ever did about Leonard.  Small comforting actions on Penny part would have went a long way in not leaving the scenes so open to interpretation by the viewers, imo.

 

btw another example is S3E11 'The Maternal Congruence' you would think Leonard deserved a little sympathy about all the bad news his mother dumped on him, instead we get Penny getting drunk with his mother.  Penny and Sheldon keeping the secret of his mother kissing Sheldon.  For two people to proclaim they care so greatly about Leonard it didn't play out that way for me.

 

Edit to add:  I get that it's a situation comedy but I feel that Leonard is the one that always get the short end of the stick. 

Edited June 29, 2013 by ArmyGirl

[vasu]

She was probably embarrassed about the fact that she had went to him while she was drunk and used him for sex. She was probably caught off guard by him turning up to her door unexpectedly and her first instinct was to run and hide, like when he said 'I love you' to her. I'm not saying what she done was right, but I can see her reasoning behind it. The thing is there is probably loads of situations where there could have been some emotion moments put in, and I know you say it takes just a second, but the writers would rather fill that second with comedy than some serious 'look' or whatever.

 

Remember season 2 finale.. the scene where Penny closes her door and sighs sadly.... even a simple scene like that would have sufficed...just to show that Penny still cared.......none of it made for any drama...infact it endears the characters more to the audience...

 

so clearly it's not something they have not done before...... they did that type of scene when it was an important moment .... So I don't think it is wrong to expect similar scenes  in similar situations....(not that u'r saying I'm wrong)...

 

And it is so much more important because her reason of breaking up with Leonard was to not lead him on , well in the finale she did that exact thing and does not care...

Edited June 29, 2013 by vasu

[I.Am.Molly]

I understand what you are saying.  Just look at the way Penny treated Sheldon in Season Three Premiere 'The Electric Can Opener Fluctuation' and compare it to the way she treated Leonard in Season Three Finale 'The Lunar Excitation'.  There are many examples where Penny doesn't show any kind of sympathy for Leonard and I always wonder why she feels so deeply for a hurt Sheldon but rarely a hurt Leonard. 

 

 

A hurt Sheldon, is a childlike Sheldon. He was hurt because he felt his friends betrayed him (whether they were right to or not, frankly if it were me, I would probably have locked him outside, despite how much I like him!), and Penny felt sorry for him. She treats him like her little brother, and no-one wants to see their little brother hurt. She has a completely different relationship with Leonard. In the season 3 finale, like I said, she was probably still hurting from the break up and embarrassed. And we shouldn't forget that Leonard slept with Dr Plimpton very quickly after they broke up, prompting Penny to say that he seemed to be getting over the break up better than her, implying she was still not over him, and probably hurt by what she had just seen.

 

I'll agree that we rarely see Penny nurse a hurt Leonard, and that is something i'd like to see done on the show, however to say that the fact it isn't shown means that she cares more about Sheldon is just insane. Penny, in my opinion, feels some sort of maternal compulsion towards him, which she doesn't feel towards Leonard, thankfully! And in The Maternal Congruence, Penny was a little annoyed at Leonard because he hadn't told his mother about her, so maybe that is why she chose to go out with her instead of comfort him.

 

Remember season 2 finale.. the scene where Penny closes her door and sighs sadly.... even a simple scene like that would have sufficed...just to show that Penny still cared.......none of it made for any drama...infact it endears the characters more to the audience...

 

so clearly it's not something they have not done before...... they did that type of scene when it was an important moment .... So I don't think it is wrong to expect similar scenes  in similar situations....(not that u'r saying I'm wrong)...

 

Yeah, you are probably right about that, they could have done something like that, but to be fair they spent almost the whole of season 4 showing us how much Penny regretted breaking up with him, so maybe that was why nothing like that was shown.

 

 

Edit to add:  I get that it's a situation comedy but I feel that Leonard is the one that always get the short end of the stick. 

 I think he is supposed to. Leonard is the one we are supposed to root for and hope that he 'catches his break'. He finally is. Penny has admitted her love for him and he is working with one of the greatest minds in the world. Although saying that, when he gets back something else will probably happen, but like I said, I think that's what the writers want to do with him. They want to show him as struggling, so we all get behind him and hope he get's what he wants.

[vasu]

A hurt Sheldon, is a childlike Sheldon. He was hurt because he felt his friends betrayed him (whether they were right to or not, frankly if it were me, I would probably have locked him outside, despite how much I like him!), and Penny felt sorry for him. She treats him like her little brother, and no-one wants to see their little brother hurt. She has a completely different relationship with Leonard. In the season 3 finale, like I said, she was probably still hurting from the break up and embarrassed. And we shouldn't forget that Leonard slept with Dr Plimpton very quickly after they broke up, prompting Penny to say that he seemed to be getting over the break up better than her, implying she was still not over him, and probably hurt by what she had just seen.

 

I'll agree that we rarely see Penny nurse a hurt Leonard, and that is something i'd like to see done on the show, however to say that the fact it isn't shown means that she cares more about Sheldon is just insane. Penny, in my opinion, feels some sort of maternal compulsion towards him, which she doesn't feel towards Leonard, thankfully! And in The Maternal Congruence, Penny was a little annoyed at Leonard because he hadn't told his mother about her, so maybe that is why she chose to go out with her instead of comfort him.

 

 

Yeah, you are probably right about that, they could have done something like that, but to be fair they spent almost the whole of season 4 showing us how much Penny regretted breaking up with him, so maybe that was why nothing like that was shown.

 

 I think he is supposed to. Leonard is the one we are supposed to root for and hope that he 'catches his break'. He finally is. Penny has admitted her love for him and he is working with one of the greatest minds in the world. Although saying that, when he gets back something else will probably happen, but like I said, I think that's what the writers want to do with him. They want to show him as struggling, so we all get behind him and hope he get's what he wants.

 

The fact that she confronts him directly after Leonard sleeps with Dr.Plimpton makes it even less credible that she cared about Leonard... and also it is not something she has not done before(one night stands)....she should have just kept the hurt to herself.....but she acted as if Leonard cheated on her......and I agree that  Leonard was no saint but by trying to "explain" what happened to Penny made him look like the most pathetic wimp one might have ever scene ....

 

As far as Penny pining for Leonard in season 4 ,  sometimes I wondered what Penny used to see in Leonard(probably the most spineless I have even seen )

 

The truth is that the courage that Leonard's character never showed the type of courage in the later seasons which he showed during season 1 until probably the 100th episode...

Leonard kissing Penny in season 1 finale is the epitome of courage that his character has displayed so far in the series....

Edited June 29, 2013 by vasu

[I.Am.Molly]

The fact that she confronts him directly after Leonard sleeps with Dr.Plimpton makes it even less credible that she cared about Leonard... and also it is not something she has not done before(one night stands)....she should have just kept the hurt to herself.....but she acted as if Leonard cheated on her......and I agree that  Leonard was no saint but by trying to "explain" what happened to Penny made him look like the most pathetic wimp one might have ever scene ....

 

As far as Penny pining for Leonard in season 4 ,  sometimes I wondered what Penny used to see in Leonard(probably the most spineless I have even seen )

 

The truth is that the courage that Leonard's character never showed the type of courage in the later seasons which he showed during season 1 until probably the 100th episode...

Leonard kissing Penny in season 1 finale is the epitome of courage that his character has displayed so far in the series....

 

Please explain your first sentence because I honestly don't see how that is true, how can her confronting him mean that she cares even less about him? And I think I am just going to ignore the whole, 'Leonard is a wimp' thing because I really doubt whatever I would say would make you change your mind over that statement. In fact, I would direct you to the Shamy thread where a couple of the people there brilliantly described Leonard's character, not as a wimp, but as the one with the biggest heart, who does things out of caring for others and not because he is spineless or weak.

 

In fact it strikes me as weird that over in the Shamy thread they were having that sort of discussion about Leonard where as over here, in the Leonard and Penny one, it is being debated how Sheldon is emotionless, Leonard is a wimp and how Penny seems to care less about Leonard and more about Sheldon! I mean like... I just can't.... I think I need to go lie down.

[vasu]

Please explain your first sentence because I honestly don't see how that is true, how can her confronting him mean that she cares even less about him? And I think I am just going to ignore the whole, 'Leonard is a wimp' thing because I really doubt whatever I would say would make you change your mind over that statement. In fact, I would direct you to the Shamy thread where a couple of the people there brilliantly described Leonard's character, not as a wimp, but as the one with the biggest heart, who does things out of caring for others and not because he is spineless or weak.

 

In fact it strikes me as weird that over in the Shamy thread they were having that sort of discussion about Leonard where as over here, in the Leonard and Penny one, it is being debated how Sheldon is emotionless, Leonard is a wimp and how Penny seems to care less about Leonard and more about Sheldon! I mean like... I just can't.... I think I need to go lie down.

 

Ok , First of all don't get all worked up  ... all my posts are my opinions ...and afterall this is just a TV show.... so chill and have fun. ... I sure am having fun :D

 

Now regarding her confronting Leonard.... they just finished a romantic relationship  where they probably spent a lot of time together...so her confronting Leonard the way she did not make it  look like what they had was real..... she broke up with him because she did not want to hurt him...to see him happy...so when he is happy who try to destroy it......also its not like she did not have one-night stands after some of her previous relationships....she should have just kept the hurt to herself...

 

As far as Leonard being a wimp...... as I said in my previous post..... see the amount of courage Leonard displayed in the earlier seasons .... asking out Penny twice..standing up to Kurt twice...kissing her before their first date and  this all he did during the time where he seemed extemely shy.......that courage was missing and it was replaced  fear and patheticness  in the later seasons which made him look like a wimp.... so again its not something they have not shown previously...

 

shyness is an endearing quality....but acting pathetic is not at all endearing (the scene where he tries to explain to Penny about slutbunny , or how he does not confront Sheldon after he blackmails him or when Priya asks him to stay away from Penny)...in fact its quite repelling charateristic...which I'm sure many will agree...

 

what makes him a wimp is his reactions or lack of in some of the scenes I mentioned and not the fact he drives Sheldon around and still lives with him or other things...

Edited June 29, 2013 by vasu

[I.Am.Molly]

Okay, first thing, I wasn't getting all worked up.. okay maybe I was, but for good reason. haha. This is tiring, I feel like we are going round in circles. The way I see it, she broke up with him, thinking she would be okay with it and then she saw him with this other girl, that she more than likely didn't expect, and realized she wasn't and hurt and shocked. And yeah, she probably did have those one night stands, but Leonard, or any of her other ex's didn't walk in on it, or the morning after it. It's going to hurt to see that, and I don't think she should have had to keep it to herself.

 

I think I have to end this here. My head hurts LOL

[ArmyGirl]

A hurt Sheldon, is a childlike Sheldon. He was hurt because he felt his friends betrayed him (whether they were right to or not, frankly if it were me, I would probably have locked him outside, despite how much I like him!), and Penny felt sorry for him. She treats him like her little brother, and no-one wants to see their little brother hurt. She has a completely different relationship with Leonard. In the season 3 finale, like I said, she was probably still hurting from the break up and embarrassed. And we shouldn't forget that Leonard slept with Dr Plimpton very quickly after they broke up, prompting Penny to say that he seemed to be getting over the break up better than her, implying she was still not over him, and probably hurt by what she had just seen.

 

I'll agree that we rarely see Penny nurse a hurt Leonard, and that is something i'd like to see done on the show, however to say that the fact it isn't shown means that she cares more about Sheldon is just insane. Penny, in my opinion, feels some sort of maternal compulsion towards him, which she doesn't feel towards Leonard, thankfully! And in The Maternal Congruence, Penny was a little annoyed at Leonard because he hadn't told his mother about her, so maybe that is why she chose to go out with her instead of comfort him.

 

...........

 

 

 I think he is supposed to. Leonard is the one we are supposed to root for and hope that he 'catches his break'. He finally is. Penny has admitted her love for him and he is working with one of the greatest minds in the world. Although saying that, when he gets back something else will probably happen, but like I said, I think that's what the writers want to do with him. They want to show him as struggling, so we all get behind him and hope he get's what he wants.

 

Do you really feel or think that everyone gets that Penny treats Sheldon like a little brother? (Sure I know this but there are many that don't and that is why the Shenny stink is all over those scenes.)  I mean come on sometimes Penny concerns goes beyond the pale for Sheldon, imo.  Yet, She is always too hurt about this or that when it comes to showing just a little compassion for Leonard over things she had done to him. There were no rare crumbs of that little something to point at and say yes, there it is or yep, I see it.   

 

As for Dr. Plimpton, Penny didn't give Leonard any choice over ending their relationship.  Never mind this the same Penny that talked about how she would have 36 hours of mindless sex after she was dumped on by one of her exes.  So I  didn't feel that Penny had a right to say anything or to judge Leonard in this situation and I wish to cow that he hadn't tried to explain it to her.  It was none of her business. And, no I don't buy that Penny was hurting that much from breaking up with Leonard. I do feel she was upset that Leonard wasn't crying and in bed moaning over not being with her.

 

Why would Penny be annoy with Leonard for not telling his mother about her? After all didn't Leonard and Penny have a conversation about his mother and how their relationship work?  Penny knows the ins and outs of Beverly from S2E15 'The Maternal Capacitance' so I don't get why she wouldn't be a little upset for Leonard instead of being drinking bubbies with Beverly (yes, yes, I know comedy at all cost, even when it doesn't make sense).

 

I think the writers focus on one character to the point they short change the other characters and it reflects back in what gets played on screen. So yes, Leonard being the one that is struggling and we should root for in attaining his goals and dreams though their lack of emphasis on said character tend let a lot be left to the viewers to figure this out, imo.

 

 

btw sorry took me so long to response but I am during laundry.... grrr 

Edited June 29, 2013 by ArmyGirl

[SRAM]

I have really been enjoying the recent dialogue going on in this topic.  One thing great about you guys is that you can argue like adults and not insult each other like people in other topics.

 

Reading all these replies, inspired a thought for me, is it possible the reason that Penny and Leonard's romance has gotten a little weird, Leonard has become more of a whimp, and Penny's compassion seems more oriented towards Sheldon, is because that this change all happened around the same time the writers turned the show into the Sheldon show.  Sheldon became the center of the show and everything naturally revolved around him, including how Penny acted around him.  Every other character's scenes became unimportant except how they impacted Sheldon.  I sort of think that could be part of the problem.

 

However, Season 6 was been a little deviation from the Sheldon Show, the Leonard and Penny relationship has been making more sense now.  Also, the ratings have been going up, could it be that part of it is maybe people are now tired of the Sheldon Show, and are happy that there is more character diversity in the show.

 

Anyway that's my two cents.

[ArmyGirl]

I have really been enjoying the recent dialogue going on in this topic.  One thing great about you guys is that you can argue like adults and not insult each other like people in other topics.

 

Reading all these replies, inspired a thought for me, is it possible the reason that Penny and Leonard's romance has gotten a little weird, Leonard has become more of a whimp, and Penny's compassion seems more oriented towards Sheldon, is because that this change all happened around the same time the writers turned the show into the Sheldon show.  Sheldon became the center of the show and everything naturally revolved around him, including how Penny acted around him.  Every other character's scenes became unimportant except how they impacted Sheldon.  I sort of think that could be part of the problem.

 

However, Season 6 was been a little deviation from the Sheldon Show, the Leonard and Penny relationship has been making more sense now.  Also, the ratings have been going up, could it be that part of it is maybe people are now tired of the Sheldon Show, and are happy that there is more character diversity in the show.

 

Anyway that's my two cents.

 

 

SRAM,

 

I don't know if it's less of the 'Sheldon Show' or if it's more that the writers finally got a clue that they couldn't keep ignoring the other characters and stop using them as chess pieces for all things Sheldon.  I do think Season Six has been a lot better than Seasons Three, Four, and Five, and to a lesser extent Season Two.  

 

Yes, the writers did a number on Leonard - no longer stood up for himself, (no matter the crap that was dished out to him by Penny and Sheldon) and Penny became a mean girl (the big heart was only used) if it was in favor of Sheldon (while it was rarely seem in regards to Leonard).  Heck even at some points the writers did it to Howard, Raj, Bernie and even Amy though I think Leonard and Penny caught it the most from what I like to call the 'poison pen' of the writers. Do I honestly think the writers won't go down that road again, no.  As TPTB love to say they don't do arc for characters or the show, they get a plot for an episode and they will go with it and basically give no thought to the characters unless it is Sheldon.  He really seems to be a very protected character and to a lesser extent Shamy) for the writers.

Edited June 29, 2013 by ArmyGirl

[I.Am.Molly]

Do you really feel or think that everyone gets that Penny treats Sheldon like a little brother? (Sure I know this but there are many that don't and that is why the Shenny stink is all over those scenes.)  I mean come on sometimes Penny concerns goes beyond the pale for Sheldon, imo.  Yet, She is always too hurt about this or that when it comes to showing just a little compassion for Leonard over things she had done to him. There were no rare crumbs of that little something to point at and say yes, there it is or yep, I see it.   

 

 

Probably not, no. But like you say, that's where the Shennys come from! haha To be fair that isn't really the writers' fault, or even the fault of what happens on the show, that's just deluded people interpreting something the way they want to, and not the way it is meant to be interpreted.

 

 

As for Dr. Plimpton, Penny didn't give Leonard any choice over ending their relationship.  Never mind this the same Penny that talked about how she would have 36 hours of mindless sex after she was dumped on by one of her exes.  So I  didn't feel that Penny had a right to say anything or to judge Leonard in this situation and I wish to cow that he hadn't tried to explain it to her.  It was none of her business. And, no I don't buy that Penny was hurting that much from breaking up with Leonard. I do feel she was upset that Leonard wasn't crying and in bed moaning over not being with her.

 

I agree with that point. She didn't have any right to be annoyed at him since they weren't dating, just like he had no real right to be annoyed with her over sleeping with Raj, since they weren't together. But just because you shouldn't feel something, doesn't mean that you can't or won't. I never said that Penny had a right to be hurt over it, im just saying she probably did. I think that Penny assumed that after they broke up, things would go back to how they were before, and ended up feeling more pain over it than she thought she would, and seeing him with her, brought that to the surface. of course, none of this has really been explicitly shown on the show, so really it is all to do with opinion.

 

 

Why would Penny be annoy with Leonard for not telling his mother about her? After all didn't Leonard and Penny have a conversation about his mother and how their relationship work?  Penny knows the ins and outs of Beverly from S2E15 'The Maternal Capacitance' so I don't get why she wouldn't be a little upset for Leonard instead of being drinking bubbies with Beverly (yes, yes, I know comedy at all cost, even when it doesn't make sense).

 

Why would she not? They had been dating for a while and it probably brought out her insecurities over being 'just a waitress'. She could have thought that that was why he hadn't told her about them dating.  

 

 

btw sorry took me so long to response but I am during laundry.... grrr 

 

Fancy doing mine too?

[ArmyGirl]

Probably not, no. But like you say, that's where the Shennys come from! haha To be fair that isn't really the writers' fault, or even the fault of what happens on the show, that's just deluded people interpreting something the way they want to, and not the way it is meant to be interpreted.

 

 

 

I agree with that point. She didn't have any right to be annoyed at him since they weren't dating, just like he had no real right to be annoyed with her over sleeping with Raj, since they weren't together. But just because you shouldn't feel something, doesn't mean that you can't or won't. I never said that Penny had a right to be hurt over it, im just saying she probably did. I think that Penny assumed that after they broke up, things would go back to how they were before, and ended up feeling more pain over it than she thought she would, and seeing him with her, brought that to the surface. of course, none of this has really been explicitly shown on the show, so really it is all to do with opinion.

 

 

 

Why would she not? They had been dating for a while and it probably brought out her insecurities over being 'just a waitress'. She could have thought that that was why he hadn't told her about them dating.  

 

 

 

Fancy doing mine too?

 

Hey I Am Molly,

 

Reference the writers not intending for some to ship P/S scenes. Come on they milked these two interactions to the point they forget Leonard mostly existed.  The writers went out of their way to make sure those two were alone, they made sure there was always some little secret that they held back from Leonard (S3E08 'The Adhesive Duck Deficiency'), they made sure these two to bonded in ways that Penny and Leonard were never given a chance to do (not including Season Six), the writers never gave Leonard and Penny a tenth of the time, or good writing so they would  have something to play off of, so I don't buy the writers and especially Lorre didn't expect some to interpret the scenes of P/S as more than what it was.  Look at how they promoted scenes of P/S all the way up until (S5E18 'The Werewolf Transformation' where one of said little secret was allowed to gut Leonard all in the name of comedy) in Season 5, so they created the beast that is Shenny and when the beast started screaming to be fed more and more they wanted to act as if they had no clue where those viewers got it from.  TPBT on this show have been in this business long enough to know they were creating the very beast that would come back to bite them in the behind.

 

 

Well at least Plimpton wasn't part of their little circle (family) unlike Penny and Raj.  If Penny had been with some random guy I don't think it would have affect anyone as much be it the characters or the viewers.  As I recall Leonard was shocked to see them exiting the bedroom together but at no time did he hold it against her nor did he judge her or question her about sleeping with Raj.  Leonard even tried to stop Penny from leaving and say he was find with everything, now the same can't be said about Penny and the Plimpton situation.  Why is okay for Penny due to her being single, yet she gets to be upset over Plimpton when Leonard is single and could do what he wanted.

 

What did Leonard ever do to make Penny think he only saw her as a waitress?  All he cares about is that she is happy so why would Penny need Beverly to know or care that she was dating Leonard? This the same woman that could care less about what is happening in Leonard's life and as she said on the show.  The same woman that is more concern with the going on in Sheldon's life, who make an effort to communicate with and share information about Leonard's family, be it the upcoming divorce from his father, her surgery, Leonard's dog dying, his brother getting engaged, his uncle Floyd dying. So I don't get the insecurities thing for Penny or that Leonard has ever giving her a reason to think it.  Maybe I would see or feel differently if Penny had no clue about who and how Beverly was/is.

 

Ode to the laundry day.....

Edited June 29, 2013 by ArmyGirl

[I.Am.Molly]

Hey I Am Molly,

 

Reference the writers not intending for some to ship P/S scenes. Come on they milked these two interactions to the point they forget Leonard mostly existed.  The writers went out of their way to make sure those two were alone, they made sure there was always some little secret that they held back from Leonard (S3E08 'The Adhesive Duck Deficiency'), they made sure these two to bonded in ways that Penny and Leonard was never given a chance to do (not including Season Six), the writers never gave Leonard and Penny a tenth of the time, or good writing so they would  have something to play off of, so I don't buy the writers and especially Lorre didn't expect some to interpret the scenes of P/S as more than what it was.  Look at how they promoted scenes of P/S all the way up until (S5E18 'The Werewolf Transformation' where one of said little secret was allowed to gut Leonard all in the name of comedy) in Season 5, so they created the beast that is Shenny and when the beast started screaming to be fed more and more they wanted to act as if they had no clue where those viewers got it from.  TPBT on this show have been in this business long enough to know they were creating the very beast that would come back to bite them in the behind.

 

Hmm, maybe they did. Either way, I don't really care if they meant it that way or not. I adore the Penny and Sheldon friendship and honestly love their scenes together. I don't agree that they didn't give them as much time, in comparison to S/P, I can only think of a few S/P scenes for the first few seasons and I think all of them were written fairly innocently, to show of the sort of bond they share.

 

 

Well at least Plimpton wasn't part of their little circle (family) unlike Penny and Raj.  If Penny had been with some random guy I don't think it would have affect anyone as much be it the characters or the viewers.  As I recall Leonard was shocked to see them exiting the bedroom together but at no time did he hold it against her nor did he judge her or question her about sleeping with Raj.  Leonard even tried to stop Penny from leaving and say he was find with everything, now the same can't be said about Penny and the Plimpton situation.  Why is okay for Penny due to her being single, yet she gets to be upset over Plimpton when Leonard is single and could do what he wanted.

 

I disagree, I think if Leonard were to have seen some random guy leaving Penny's apartment during the same period, he would have been pretty hurt, just as Penny, in my opinion, was at seeing him with Plimpton. Raj is a touchy subject. I have never liked that those two slept together, or the lack of proper reaction from Leonard after it. I always sort of wanted to see Leonard get understandably upset about that and have it out with them a little. But then again, that isn't in his nature, that's why he didn't react so badly to it. Leonard is a keep the peace kind of guy and if making out like something doesn't bother him as much as it does, to keep things as normal as possible, then that's what he does. I think anyway. Penny on the other hand, will fight things more, in an effort to hide how she really feels. She got mad at Leonard, to hide that she was hurt over what he had done, and Leonard pretended things were okay between him and Penny and he didn't care about the Raj thing, just to get her to stay, even though he was probably pretty hurt over it.

 

 

What did Leonard ever do to make Penny think he only saw her as a waitress?  All he cares about is that she is happy so why would Penny need Beverly to know or care that she was dating Leonard? This the same woman that could care less about what is happening in Leonard's life and as she said on the show.  The same woman that is more concern with the going on in Sheldon's life, who make an effort to communicate with and share information about Leonard's family, be it the upcoming divorce from his father, her surgery, Leonard's dog dying, his brother getting engaged, his uncle Floyd dying. So I don't get the insecurities thing for Penny or that Leonard has ever giving her a reason to think it.  Maybe I would see or feel differently if Penny had no clue about who and how Beverly was/is.

 

Nothing really. Its all in her head, it's the one thing she is really insecure about as shown by the first time they dated. And if you watch the scene when he tells her his mother is coming to visit, and Sheldon suggests that that was the reason why, Leonard doesn't actually tell her that that isn't why he hasn't told his mother about them dating, he just says 'Umm', so it's natural that she would think that was why he was keeping it a secret. I don't think it matters what his mother is like, she is still his mother at the end of the day, and he was keeping the fact that he was dating the waitress next door from her. And like I said, he never outwardly told her that wasn't the case, so why wouldn't she think that?

 

Edited this to add that that Christmas episode when Leonard's mother comes to visit actually has a nice little scene of Sheldon coming to comfort Leonard. Bert and Ernie feels right there! haha

Edited June 29, 2013 by I.Am.Molly

[eirwinrommel]

First, Penny gave up all right to comment about Leonard's romantic relationships when she broke up with him. Second, Penny broke up with Leonard because of her own insecurities, any 'outside influence' (Will Wheaton) was just an excuse to do what she wanted to do. Penny's reaction to Dr. Plimpton, was just the first foretaste of her unhappiness about her decision. She spent most of season four in denial, expecting that she could get back with Leonard at any time. She didn't realize what a mistake it was until Leonard started dating Priya.

As for her relationship with Sheldon, she relates to him as a mother to a child.

[Nogravitasatall]

Off topic

It's interesting to argue this stuff out. But when you jump into that box of assorted chocolates that is ff it becomes so apparent, to me, where my preferences lie. I can't find enough L/P stuff, the S/A stuff is cute but doesn't start my motor, and the Shenny makes me uncomfortable. Lol. Even the sound of it just feels wrong, like the effect the word "moist" has on some people. (logomisia).

So when I argue, I'm going to start from those preferences (L/P). And from hanging here, where my preferences get reinforced, I'll probably be more sure of the correctness of my arguments because most people (here) agree with me. A dissenting opinion expressed by an interloper must be corrected, because they are out of kilter with the consensus, and I'm doing them a favour to point out their error. Interlopers soon get tired of my corrections, I congratulate myself for maintaining the consensus and harmony and redouble my efforts against the next interloper. Please stop me when this becomes apparent. Lol. .

On topic

I'm feeling more sympathy for Penny as she gets into her late 20s. She still is facing some disappointments and maybe a more constrained future. I hope tptb explore this a bit but without making her the butt of the joke.

[ajond]

I understand what you are saying.  Just look at the way Penny treated Sheldon in Season Three Premiere 'The Electric Can Opener Fluctuation' and compare it to the way she treated Leonard in Season Three Finale 'The Lunar Excitation'.  There are many examples where Penny doesn't show any kind of sympathy for Leonard and I always wonder why she feels so deeply for a hurt Sheldon but rarely a hurt Leonard. 

 

I don't know if the writers intended for most of the scenes to play out that way but sometimes one could be left with the impression that Penny cared more about Sheldon than she ever did about Leonard.  Small comforting actions on Penny part would have went a long way in not leaving the scenes so open to interpretation by the viewers, imo.

 

btw another example is S3E11 'The Maternal Congruence' you would think Leonard deserved a little sympathy about all the bad news his mother dumped on him, instead we get Penny getting drunk with his mother.  Penny and Sheldon keeping the secret of his mother kissing Sheldon.  For two people to proclaim they care so greatly about Leonard it didn't play out that way for me.

 

Edit to add:  I get that it's a situation comedy but I feel that Leonard is the one that always get the short end of the stick. 

One of the main reasons why P does not Comfort L when he is hurt is that she is normally the one that does the hurting. She didn't comfort S when she punched him.

[Nogravitasatall]

One of the main reasons why P does not Comfort L when he is hurt is that she is normally the one that does the hurting. She didn't comfort S when she punched him.

True, and I also believe Leonard is no wimp. He's got a capacity to endure and play the long game. He understands deep time, remember. And his strategy has paid off. As Professor Proton affirmed.

Arthur: Is the, is the blonde girl really your, your girlfriend?

Leonard: Yes, sir.

Arthur: You’re the genius.

Edited June 29, 2013 by Nogravitasatall

[ArmyGirl]

One of the main reasons why P does not Comfort L when he is hurt is that she is normally the one that does the hurting. She didn't comfort S when she punched him.

 

This is true but the sign of a mature person is to go back and try to correct your mistake, most time it is Leonard this just say it's okay and let's Penny off the hook.  Also there is no way to compare her punching Sheldon in the nose for invading her personal space  while she was sleeping with some of the things she done to Leonard.

Edited June 29, 2013 by ArmyGirl

[ArmyGirl]

True, and I also believe Leonard is no wimp. He's got a capacity to endure and play the long game. He understands deep time, remember. And his strategy has paid off. As Professor Proton affirmed.

Arthur: Is the, is the blonde girl really your, your girlfriend?

Leonard: Yes, sir.

Arthur: You’re the genius.

 

Well it's a good thing it's a television show because there is no way in hades that I would want my son(s) to stay in or restart a relationship like Leonard is in before Season Six.  ETA:  Of course Leonard isn't a wimp but you have to admit the writers after Season Two just had his character take and take and take all the crap that Penny and Sheldon and Priya dished out to him.  The writers messed up and decided to stick in that mode for some reason.... tho most of us probably have an ideal why.

 

I do love Lenny 2.0 that took place during the latter part of the Season Six after Penny finally got her crap together. I could actually see the writer trying to undo most of the mess they had created with the relationship.

Edited June 29, 2013 by ArmyGirl