Ship Zone Leonard And Penny Shippers Thread (Possible Spoilers)

[I.Am.Molly]

I have a vision of the hairy biker types sitting in a bar, like the Sons of Anarchy crowd, discussing Leonard and Penny. Then hitting each other with pool cues when they disagree.

 

This is just so randomly awesome.

[Tensor]

I have a vision of the hairy biker types sitting in a bar, like the Sons of Anarchy crowd, discussing Leonard and Penny. Then hitting each other with pool cues when they disagree.

Have you looked at my avatar? And realize I've had a bike for over 30 years and a Harley for over 20.

[Nogravitasatall]

Not inspired by Tensor's avatar at all. He'd beat you with evidence and reasoned argument.

btw i am so hoping S7 continues the trend upwards with L/P. With more trips to the lab. The holographic excitation (?) was extremely rewarding. And a little hot... For the sciency bit I mean

[Nogravitasatall]

I have stories to read on my late train ride. I love that they get delivered to my mail box. Btw is it so cold in Pasedena that you need PJs?. I want that out there for the UK writers who only know sunshine from Neighbours.

Edited June 30, 2013 by Nogravitasatall

[I.Am.Molly]

Honestly, the episode i'm most looking forward too is the one where Leonard comes home

[I.Am.Molly]

I have stories to read on my late train ride. I love that they get delivered to my mail box. Btw is it so cold in Pasedena that you need PJs?. I want that out there for the UK writers who only know sunshine from Neighbours.

 

Wow, wow , wow. We know sunshine. We see it.. sometimes...

[Tensor]

Not inspired by Tensor's avatar at all. He'd beat you with evidence and reasoned argument.

Well, you're right there. Although a pool cue is useful for the more recalcitrant.

[Tensor]

I have stories to read on my late train ride. I love that they get delivered to my mail box. Btw is it so cold in Pasedena that you need PJs?. I want that out there for the UK writers who only know sunshine from Neighbours.

Here is the climate data for Pasadena. Note that in the winter the average low is 7C. I know that may not be cold in the UK for January, but remember, in Pasadena, that is pretty chilly to them and the actual lows can get much colder. Where I live in Florida the average low in Jan-Feb is 11C, but we've had temperatures of -5C here during that time frame.

Edited June 30, 2013 by Tensor

[Nogravitasatall]

Honestly, the episode i'm most looking forward too is the one where Leonard comes home

I expect very little physics in that ep. Maybe some classic Newtonian. Newton's cradle - that sort of thing. Perhaps more the squishy sciences. Or Amy can wire them up. Lol.

(now that's romance. Hehehehe)

Edited June 30, 2013 by Nogravitasatall

[vasu]

Typical season 3 episode .... rather than focussing on a good story  , the writers only focus on Sheldon

In the episode where Sheldon teaches Penny Physics
- The main goal of Penny was to impress Leonard (very nice story idea)
- So she asks Sheldon to teach her Physics which he does
- But in the ending scene where she tells the big Physics dialogue it looked like she was trying to mock him rather than trying to impress him.(not the dialogue but her acting, it never looks like Penny was trying to impress Leonard)
- It looked like Sheldon and Penny won the match , but the problem was that Leonard did not know what was going on , he was not playing the match
- A good ending would have been Leonard recognizing the fact that his girlfriend tried to learn Physics for him and appreciating it.
- But the writers were like--who cares about all that, see Sheldon is so funny , see Sheldon is so funny
So as a result the goal that was set at the start was not accomplished.
The episode was very funny but still it felt incomplete to me

What actually baffled me was that the same writes were able to focus on all the characters previously

because a similar kind of storyline was done previously in season 1 - Leonard's birthday episode
- Penny wanting to do something nice to Leonard, S\P plot , L\H plot
But the difference was that sweetness was delivered at the end the episode . So as a result that episode felt complete as all the goals were accomplished.

 

I posted this previously , just trying to refresh.

 

 

Oh and the part where someone said , it is easy to forget your past pains when you're in a relationship again....

frankly I thought there would some emotional resonance when Leonard and Penny get back together in gun shot episode..about why they are getting back together...how do they feel......but we get none...

Edited July 1, 2013 by vasu

[Guitars1964]

 

- But in the ending scene where she tells the big Physics dialogue it looked like she was trying to mock him rather than trying to impress him.(not the dialogue but her acting, it never looks like Penny was trying to impress Leonard)

 

vasu, probably overall a small point, but after watching this episode several times, it is my impression that when Penny spouted her memorized line to Leonard, which Sheldon had fed to her, she didn't understand any of the context and did not understand that the comment was a put-down of Leonard's work.  Mocking Leonard would not have been consistent since she engaged Sheldon to help her impress Leonard.  And when she then proudly recalled that Fig Newtons were named after a town in Massachusetts, that seemed to confirm that she was clueless.  The scene didn't do anything to make her look intelligent for sure, but I don't think Penny was intending to mock Leonard.  She was an unwitting mouthpiece for Sheldon in his ongoing efforts to deride all of his science friends.

 

She's had her less than charming moments regarding Leonard in the past, but I think here she was really trying to impress him to benefit their relationship.  While she has generally felt superior to the guys when it came to social coolness, when she realized that she'd become surrounded by people who were way above her academically, that really threw her off her game.  In their company, she began to feel in that way inferior, and she has tried through numerous not very successful examples to raise her game as respects the science stuff.

[vasu]

vasu, probably overall a small point, but after watching this episode several times, it is my impression that when Penny spouted her memorized line to Leonard, which Sheldon had fed to her, she didn't understand any of the context and did not understand that the comment was a put-down of Leonard's work.  Mocking Leonard would not have been consistent since she engaged Sheldon to help her impress Leonard.  And when she then proudly recalled that Fig Newtons were named after a town in Massachusetts, that seemed to confirm that she was clueless.  The scene didn't do anything to make her look intelligent for sure, but I don't think Penny was intending to mock Leonard.  She was an unwitting mouthpiece for Sheldon in his ongoing efforts to deride all of his science friends.

 

She's had her less than charming moments regarding Leonard in the past, but I think here she was really trying to impress him to benefit their relationship.  While she has generally felt superior to the guys when it came to social coolness, when she realized that she'd become surrounded by people who were way above her academically, that really threw her off her game.  In their company, she began to feel in that way inferior, and she has tried through numerous not very successful examples to raise her game as respects the science stuff.

 

It was pretty clear that , she did not understand what Sheldon told her was actually putting down Leonard's work , but her acting in that scene never felt like she was trying to impress Leonard...in fact if felt like she was trying to prove Leonard wrong when he says something about lot of people don't take interest his work..... that's why I mentioned not the dialogue but the acting..

 

And I'm not putting down Penny or anything.... it was just a basic story which clearly should have ended with a more than happy Leonard appreciating the fact that Penny had tried to learn physics for him....just imagine how a geeky guy would feel when the prom queen tries to impress him.........a simple scene but very important scene.....which was completely ignored by the writers ... and clearly reflects the writers frame of mind during that period...

 

The purpose of the story based on the premise was to bring Leonard and Penny closer , but with what we got the purpose seemed to create a situation so that Sheldon can make jokes about it..... as simple as that....

Edited July 1, 2013 by vasu

[eirwinrommel]

Here is the climate data for Pasadena. Note that in the winter the average low is 7C. I know that may not be cold in the UK for January, but remember, in Pasadena, that is pretty chilly to them and the actual lows can get much colder. Where I live in Florida the average low in Jan-Feb is 11C, but we've had temperatures of -5C here during that time frame.

Where I live the average HIGH for December is -3c, for January it's -4c, and for February is -2c.

[gsxdoug]

Where I live the average HIGH for December is -3c, for January it's -4c, and for February is -2c.

You don't know what cold is! I'm in Northern Ontario, Canada. We can see a couple weeks straight of sub -40c nights in deepest winter, plus wind chill.

[Nogravitasatall]

@eirwinrommel. Damn.

Max for Sydney tomorrow is 18c and we are midwinter. But we've just has a week of drenching rain.

Maybe tptb will do a location shoot on day. Not very grown up up I know but imagine them all at the beach. No prurience here. I'm sure it would be well received. I was thinking for a while that Leonard should be rewarded for his feat of endurance in the north seas with a trip to somewhere tropical with Penny. If they are committed they deserve a holiday together as a couple.

If Sheldon comes along and gets in his speedos I'm sure some of the fans will be well pleased.

Maybe otherwise they can just put the photos on the fridge. eta sorry fridgerator.

Edited July 1, 2013 by Nogravitasatall

[I.Am.Molly]

Oh and the part where someone said , it is easy to forget your past pains when you're in a relationship again....

frankly I thought there would some emotional resonance when Leonard and Penny get back together in gun shot episode..about why they are getting back together...how do they feel......but we get none...

 

It's a sitcom. You aren't going to get that. If all these emotional epiphonies and hearfelt, loving speeches are what you are looking for you have to go somehwere else. It is implied in the episode that they are both happy to be back dating again and putting in the effort to help make sure it works out with correcting what was wrong on those lists. To me it was pretty obvious that Penny was happy to be dating him again, even despite the fact she was obviously slightly taken back by that exact list. But she didn't flip out when he gave her it, she just took it and even tried to do what was on it, which is something that Penny of the past probably wouldn't have done.

 

And in regards to the gorilla experiment episode, I saw it as a bit of a stepping stone for Penny. She tried to learn physics to surprise Leonard and i think that is one of the first times during their relationship she done that. It was sweet. And sure it didn;t work out well, but that was probably because of her teacher, not her lack of skills. I didn;t see her end speech as mocking him, she really was just trying to impress him. And anyway, i liked the episode regardless because i enjoyed the Penny/Sheldon stuff.

[eirwinrommel]

@eirwinrommel. Damn.

Max for Sydney tomorrow is 18c and we are midwinter. But we've just has a week of drenching rain.

Maybe tptb will do a location shoot on day. Not very grown up up I know but imagine them all at the beach. No prurience here. I'm sure it would be well received. I was thinking for a while that Leonard should be rewarded for his feat of endurance in the north seas with a trip to somewhere tropical with Penny. If they are committed they deserve a holiday together as a couple.

If Sheldon comes along and gets in his speedos I'm sure some of the fans will be well pleased.

Maybe otherwise they can just put the photos on the fridge. eta sorry fridgerator.

While I could see Leonard wanting to go somewhere warm after a 'summer' on the North Sea, I suspect Australia is too pricey for the production company. He might also want to go somewhere with less water, how about Death Valley? It's nearby, warm (average high in September is 41C) and dry, a nice change from the North Sea.

[rickfromillinois]

While I could see Leonard wanting to go somewhere warm after a 'summer' on the North Sea, I suspect Australia is too pricey for the production company. He might also want to go somewhere with less water, how about Death Valley? It's nearby, warm (average high in September is 41C) and dry, a nice change from the North Sea.

I think that if Leonard wanted to go somewhere warm after beinng on the North Sea during the Summer it would be a little strange if he didn't stay right where he lives, in California.  Although there may be some criticisms of some aspects of the State of California, it is hard to find places with better or more varied climates.

[eirwinrommel]

Oh, I agree, I was just suggesting Death Valley as a place far away from the ocean. And most of it's in California.

Edited July 1, 2013 by eirwinrommel

[Chrismo]

 

 

And in regards to the gorilla experiment episode, I saw it as a bit of a stepping stone for Penny. She tried to learn physics to surprise Leonard and i think that is one of the first times during their relationship she done that. It was sweet. And sure it didn;t work out well, but that was probably because of her teacher, not her lack of skills. I didn;t see her end speech as mocking him, she really was just trying to impress him. And anyway, i liked the episode regardless because i enjoyed the Penny/Sheldon stuff.

I agree. I think she made more of an effort especially after Bernadette was discussing  Leonard's job. Mocking him. Is Kutra back on the site?

[phantagrae]

It was pretty clear that , she did not understand what Sheldon told her was actually putting down Leonard's work , but her acting in that scene never felt like she was trying to impress Leonard...in fact if felt like she was trying to prove Leonard wrong when he says something about lot of people don't take interest his work..... that's why I mentioned not the dialogue but the acting..

 

And I'm not putting down Penny or anything.... it was just a basic story which clearly should have ended with a more than happy Leonard appreciating the fact that Penny had tried to learn physics for him....just imagine how a geeky guy would feel when the prom queen tries to impress him.........a simple scene but very important scene.....which was completely ignored by the writers ... and clearly reflects the writers frame of mind during that period...

 

The purpose of the story based on the premise was to bring Leonard and Penny closer , but with what we got the purpose seemed to create a situation so that Sheldon can make jokes about it..... as simple as that....

 

I think the point of the scene at the end was how Penny's efforts backfired on her and how Leonard was baffled at her little speech because he had no idea how or where she came up with the information, but the audience gets it because it's pure Sheldon.

 

The point of the Sheldon/Penny part of the episode was to highlight both Sheldon's convoluted way of doing everything--overexplaining, not understanding Penny's lack of background or how to help her understand (constantly going all the way back to the beginning)--and Penny's ignorance of the subject (not stupidity, just lack of education) and her inability to keep up or to get Sheldon to distill it in the way she wanted (just wanting to be able to talk to Leonard about his work.)

 

The joke is that the ultimate outcome is one of Sheldon's bias against Leonard's work, with Penny able to speak to the topic, but not really understanding what she was talking about.

 

It's hard to say whether or not she realized that she was putting down Leonard's work, since she was clearly just parroting back something Sheldon had taught her to say, not that she suddenly grasped the concepts she was talking about.  She's an actress, she can memorize lines, so maybe that's the approach she finally took after not being able to understand the history of physics altogether.

 

But the point of the scene was not to have a warm, fuzzy moment between L&P, but to show how Penny's choice of a teacher backfired on her attempt to relate to Leonard's work.

And it was a JOKE, not a question of love.

[vasu]

I think the point of the scene at the end was how Penny's efforts backfired on her and how Leonard was baffled at her little speech because he had no idea how or where she came up with the information, but the audience gets it because it's pure Sheldon.

 

The point of the Sheldon/Penny part of the episode was to highlight both Sheldon's convoluted way of doing everything--overexplaining, not understanding Penny's lack of background or how to help her understand (constantly going all the way back to the beginning)--and Penny's ignorance of the subject (not stupidity, just lack of education) and her inability to keep up or to get Sheldon to distill it in the way she wanted (just wanting to be able to talk to Leonard about his work.)

 

The joke is that the ultimate outcome is one of Sheldon's bias against Leonard's work, with Penny able to speak to the topic, but not really understanding what she was talking about.

 

It's hard to say whether or not she realized that she was putting down Leonard's work, since she was clearly just parroting back something Sheldon had taught her to say, not that she suddenly grasped the concepts she was talking about.  She's an actress, she can memorize lines, so maybe that's the approach she finally took after not being able to understand the history of physics altogether.

 

But the point of the scene was not to have a warm, fuzzy moment between L&P, but to show how Penny's choice of a teacher backfired on her attempt to relate to Leonard's work.

And it was a JOKE, not a question of love.

 

 let me explain clearly what I'm saying .... and I get that it  was a JOKE and what the JOKE was ... it is not that hard to understand

 

It was just a typical bbt episode...all the pieces were on board clearly .....but the writers did not deploy them properly..

the focus of this episode as ever was Sheldon. the TPTB at TBBT scream ... look at Sheldon "he is so funny" "he is so funny". And he clearly is....but that was not the point of the story...the point of the story  was the Penny feels insecure because she like Bernadette is not able to talk to Leonard about his work...its simple not complicated....

 

Sheldon remains hilarious as ever.... I accept that....but once more the issue of Leonard and Penny's relationship was ignored.....her insecutiry in their relationship and her desire to learn physics is an very nice idea....it points out her affection for Leonard but we don't see it often enough ..... this story should have obvisouly concluded in Leonard seeing why did what she did and appreciate the sweetness behind it... just Imagine the prom queen trying to impress the geek ....it would have been a dream come true......but no...ignore all that...just see how funny Sheldon is...

 

the entire teaching scene was funny (a bit dragged out) but if there is no proper conclusion it feels like a waste of time ...and with what we got she clearly insulted Leonard's work which makes her look either foolish or mean.....

 

And the conclusion as you say is Sheldon's derision of Leonard' work ... it's not quite properly hinted why he would teach Penny that ,yeah there was one small joke but initially he tried to teach her just fine...

..

Again see the same story was done back in season 1 .... Leonard's birthday episode .... the basic formula behind both episodes was the same.....the difference is that in the later seasons the writers only concerntrated on Sheldon instead of focussing on story...

 

So for all of you who are thinking I am asking for fluffy scenes ,  it's not something they have not done before..and they did it a way which were both cute and funny........ so I don't why most of you insist that I have to go somewhere else...

 

Oh and I'm no Kutra...and I think  I give proper support/evidence to my statements and observations...

Edited July 1, 2013 by vasu

[phantagrae]

 let me explain clearly what I'm saying .... and I get that it  was a JOKE and what the JOKE was ... it is not that hard to understand

 

It was just a typical bbt episode...all the pieces were on board clearly .....but the writers did not deploy them properly..

the focus of this episode as ever was Sheldon. the TPTB at TBBT scream ... look at Sheldon "he is so funny" "he is so funny". And he clearly is....but that was not the point of the story...the point of the story  was the Penny feels insecure because she like Bernadette is not able to talk to Leonard about his work...its simple not complicated....

 

Sheldon remains hilarious as ever.... I accept that....but once more the issue of Leonard and Penny's relationship was ignored.....her insecutiry in their relationship and her desire to learn physics is an very nice idea....it points out her affection for Leonard but we don't see it often enough ..... this story should have obvisouly concluded in Leonard seeing why did what she did and appreciate the sweetness behind it... just Imagine the prom queen trying to impress the geek ....it would have been a dream come true......but no...ignore all that...just see how funny Sheldon is...

 

the entire teaching scene was funny (a bit dragged out) but if there is no proper conclusion it feels like a waste of time ...and with what we got she clearly insulted Leonard's work which makes her look either foolish or mean.....

 

And the conclusion as you say is Sheldon's derision of Leonard' work ... it's not quite properly hinted why he would teach Penny that ,yeah there was one small joke but initially he tried to teach her just fine...

..

Again see the same story was done back in season 1 .... Leonard's birthday episode .... the basic formula behind both episodes was the same.....the difference is that in the later seasons the writers only concerntrated on Sheldon instead of focussing on story...

 

So for all of you who are thinking I am asking for fluffy scenes ,  it's not something they have not done before..and they did it a way which were both cute and funny........ so I don't why most of you insist that I have to go somewhere else...

 

Oh and I'm no Kutra...and I think  I give proper support/evidence to my statements and observations...

 

I don't think the point of the episode was Penny's feelings of insecurity and wanting to be able to talk to Leonard about his work.  I think that it was just the excuse for the real focus of the episode, which was the "Gorilla Experiment" itself--the scene between Penny and Sheldon.

 

In the other part of the episode, the interactions between Leonard, Howard and Bernie, the focus was on H&B and Howard learning a bit more about how to deal with Bernie and his insecurity about her interest in Leonard's work, but the stuff between Sheldon and Penny was its own point--showing how completely far apart these two characters are in regard to learning/teaching and comprehending/understanding.

 

Sheldon thinks he's helping Penny and can't understand that he's confusing her and giving her too much information, because, to him, physics is everything.  As he said, there's no such thing as "a little physics", so he has to go all the way back to ancient Greece and makes her take notes about the agora, etc., and plans to give her tests, etc.

Penny's desire to know just enough to be able to talk to Leonard about his work means she doesn't want the big lesson, she just wants a simple explanation, which Sheldon, of course, is incapable of providing.

 

THAT's the point of that part of the episode.  That's why the tag at the end of the episode is Penny just spouting some memorized lines Sheldon taught her by rote.  The point wasn't how sweet it was of Penny to want to talk about Leonard's work.  If it had been, then we would have seen some sweet moment between them (more along the lines of the S6 episode where she goes to his lab.)

 

The point was the funny scene between Sheldon and Penny, the juxtaposition of their two differing ways of thinking.  It was never intended to be an episode about the L/P relationship.

[eirwinrommel]

It's interesting that the two main stories in this episode are powered by insecurities. Penny tries to learn about Physics because she's afraid Leonard might be attracted to Bernie (because Bernie knows, and shows an interest in, Physics, as well as her main field of study). Not to mention Bernie's looks. And Howard is afraid for basically the same reasons. In fact, now that I think about it both Howard and Sheldon are/were afraid, at one point, that Leonard could steal their girlfriends. To be fair Leonard did 'steal' Dr. Stephanie from Howard.

Edited July 1, 2013 by eirwinrommel

[phantagrae]

It's interesting that the two main stories in this episode are powered by insecurities. Penny tries to learn about Physics because she's afraid Leonard might be attracted to Bernie (because Bernie knows, and shows an interest in, Physics, as well as her main field of study). Not to mention Bernie's looks. And Howard is afraid for basically the same reasons. 

 

I don't think Penny is worried about Leonard being attracted to Bernadette.  I think she just doesn't want to feel left out when it comes to being able to converse with Leonard in that area.

 

I think she's surprised at Bernie's ability to speak in such specifics in regard to Leonard's work.  Penny knows her from the Cheesecake Factory, not as a scientist, even though she knows she's studying microbiology.  I think that Penny is used to the guys talking over her head when it comes to science (and she's not stupid, she's just uneducated and especially in this specific area.)  But now here's someone she knows in one arena, suddenly able to participate in the other arena and Penny is very aware that she can't join in with her own boyfriend on that topic the way Bernie can.

 

But I don't think she's at all worried that Leonared would suddenly be attracted to Bernie more than herself.