Ship Zone Leonard And Penny Shippers Thread (Possible Spoilers)

[hamerman55]

It is likely that several things were going on with the Penny, Leonard, Sheldon scenes at the same time.

-Sheldon stated he was jealous of Leonard in that good things were happening to Leonard and not to Sheldon. From the context of the episode, this is definitely professional jealousy, but of an interesting sort. They are in two different fields of physics. Leonard is not getting something that Sheldon specifically wants or could have. So it is a terrible sort of jealousy, and Sheldon's attempts to scare Leonard off of the trip is classic dog in the manger, e.g. I don't want it but you shouldn't have it because is is a good thing for you.

-The only time I recall any mention of the possibility that Leonard being gone might cause Sheldon difficulty is Leonard asking Penny to keep an eye on him. At no other point is this issue raised. I think the writers wanted to keep the focus specifically on the jealousy of Sheldon, not his fear of being alone. Makes one wonder if the subtext of Sheldon making a fuss at the airport was precisely to prevent Leonard from going on the trip. The only work he's done that is of not in the six seasons of the show was doen in collaboration with Leonard. His math has been corrected at least twice. Once by Leslie Winkle and once by Stephen Hawking. Barry Kwipke was surprised his work is weak. Could Sheldon have burnt out earlier and really isn't doing anything ground breaking? Last fall he sunk to mining his childhood work searching for his Nobel prize. That is pretty desperate.

-Sheldon's acting out at the airport while Leonard and Penny were trying to ignore him may make several points. First, Leonard and Penny are ignoring Sheldon in spite of his catterwauling. His concerns are no longer theirs. Second, Sheldon is fussing because their love is making him afraid. He's being cut out, and he keeps trying to insert himself in the relationship. This echos "The Friendship Contraction".

[vasu]

Just saw few season 3 episodes...

The valentine day episode.... Penny seemed pretty excited about valentine's day in that episode...(so we can assume previously things went well for her on VD .. we can right?? ... given the type of her previous boyfriends)

The next few years we can assume that Penny did not spend valentine's day with anyone (as a couple) as she did not date anyone....

So why this year Penny said things never work out for her on VD....was she that disappointed because one VD did not work out for her....???

I know the simple answer is this is a sitcom and things change to suit the situation :P ... but what might be a logical reason??

[BangerMain]

Just saw few season 3 episodes...

The valentine day episode.... Penny seemed pretty excited about valentine's day in that episode...(so we can assume previously things went well for her on VD .. we can right?? ... given the type of her previous boyfriends)

The next few years we can assume that Penny did not spend valentine's day with anyone (as a couple) as she did not date anyone....

So why this year Penny said things never work out for her on VD....was she that disappointed because one VD did not work out for her....???

I know the simple answer is this is a sitcom and things change to suit the situation :P ... but what might be a logical reason??

The season 3 Valentines Day episode was a disaster for Penny and Leonard. I was surprised that they did not mention that as the reason for her being so soured about the day.

[BangerMain]

It is likely that several things were going on with the Penny, Leonard, Sheldon scenes at the same time.

-Sheldon stated he was jealous of Leonard in that good things were happening to Leonard and not to Sheldon. From the context of the episode, this is definitely professional jealousy, but of an interesting sort. They are in two different fields of physics. Leonard is not getting something that Sheldon specifically wants or could have. So it is a terrible sort of jealousy, and Sheldon's attempts to scare Leonard off of the trip is classic dog in the manger, e.g. I don't want it but you shouldn't have it because is is a good thing for you.

-The only time I recall any mention of the possibility that Leonard being gone might cause Sheldon difficulty is Leonard asking Penny to keep an eye on him. At no other point is this issue raised. I think the writers wanted to keep the focus specifically on the jealousy of Sheldon, not his fear of being alone. Makes one wonder if the subtext of Sheldon making a fuss at the airport was precisely to prevent Leonard from going on the trip. The only work he's done that is of not in the six seasons of the show was done in collaboration with Leonard. His math has been corrected at least twice. Once by Leslie Winkle and once by Stephen Hawking. Barry Kwipke was surprised his work is weak. Could Sheldon have burnt out earlier and really isn't doing anything ground breaking? Last fall he sunk to mining his childhood work searching for his Nobel prize. That is pretty desperate.

-Sheldon's acting out at the airport while Leonard and Penny were trying to ignore him may make several points. First, Leonard and Penny are ignoring Sheldon in spite of his catterwauling. His concerns are no longer theirs. Second, Sheldon is fussing because their love is making him afraid. He's being cut out, and he keeps trying to insert himself in the relationship. This echos "The Friendship Contraction".

Great points.

 

Sheldon is more and more being shown as a legend in his own mind. He is still acting like a child prodigy whose social and professional development both appear to have been severely arrested.

 

He still talks about his being the superior being to the rest of humanity but his jealousy of the Korean teen wunderkind, the failed Arctic expedition and Bernadette's comment to Amy about how none of Sheldon's theories have ever been proven indicate he is more hot air then hot property.

Edited May 20, 2013 by BangerMain

[Guitars1964]

Great points.

 

Sheldon is more and more being shown as a legend in his own mind. He is still acting like a child prodigy whose social and professional development both appear to have been severely arrested.

 

He still talks about his being the superior being to the rest of humanity but his jealousy of the Korean teen wunderkind, the failed Arctic expedition and Bernadette's comment to Amy about how none of Sheldon's theories have ever been proven indicate he is more hot air then hot property.

 

Well, Howard went to the ISS, Leonard's off to North Sea with Hawking's team, I think I recall that Raj got some accolades at CalTech a while back - Sheldon, for all his superiority complex - hasn't had much going on.  In addition, to the extent any job or profession requires teamwork (most do at some level) you have to be able to get along with people.  Even pro sports teams will trade a very talented player if the guy can't get along with people and only thinks about himself.  Sheldon has big issues here - even a university probably has only so much rope for a wacko like Sheldon.  

 

Sheldon needs to create some value (using my corporate background terms) or his wunderkind status is going to fade.  It's understandable that he feels jealous and angry - but he's the problem.  He's an unfortunate mixture of very high intellect and huge social immaturity - never a winning combination.

 

It's weird with Sheldon - sometimes, he can almost be empathetic - like he's really trying.  Ex - bringing Leonard tea when he was bummed about Penny and the run-in with Kurt at the Halloween party, giving actually good advice back when telling Leonard that Penny didn't reject him - Leonard never asked her out.  And he actually helped bring Penny and Leonard together with his Schrodinger's cat metaphor.  Even taking Penny to the emergency room.  Sometimes he's almost there...and then it's back to the old sniping Sheldon (in high form in the season finale).  Not a lot of growth going on there (but, as I said in earlier post somewhere, they don't want to change him or mature him too much).

[hamerman55]

Well, Howard went to the ISS, Leonard's off to North Sea with Hawking's team, I think I recall that Raj got some accolades at CalTech a while back - Sheldon, for all his superiority complex - hasn't had much going on.  In addition, to the extent any job or profession requires teamwork (most do at some level) you have to be able to get along with people.  Even pro sports teams will trade a very talented player if the guy can't get along with people and only thinks about himself.  Sheldon has big issues here - even a university probably has only so much rope for a wacko like Sheldon.  

 

Sheldon needs to create some value (using my corporate background terms) or his wunderkind status is going to fade.  It's understandable that he feels jealous and angry - but he's the problem.  He's an unfortunate mixture of very high intellect and huge social immaturity - never a winning combination.

 

It's weird with Sheldon - sometimes, he can almost be empathetic - like he's really trying.  Ex - bringing Leonard tea when he was bummed about Penny and the run-in with Kurt at the Halloween party, giving actually good advice back when telling Leonard that Penny didn't reject him - Leonard never asked her out.  And he actually helped bring Penny and Leonard together with his Schrodinger's cat metaphor.  Even taking Penny to the emergency room.  Sometimes he's almost there...and then it's back to the old sniping Sheldon (in high form in the season finale).  Not a lot of growth going on there (but, as I said in earlier post somewhere, they don't want to change him or mature him too much).

You've pointed out the conudrum with Sheldon, particularly with respect to Leonard. At times, when he tries, he can be kind and sympathetic. But most of the times he's self-absorbed and plain doesn't give a damn about other people or their concerns. Often he flatly states that too. Right now, he's his own worst enemy and could easily drive his friends away. Even Amy points out that he will still be brilliant, but even she seriously doubts he'd ever find new friends. I knew plenty of brilliant guys in grad school that never amounted to much because they found a niche of people that would tolerate them and their homeostasis.

I'm hoping that Leonard stays in the North Sea for a couple of weeks into the next season, as I'd like to see how the writers handle it. If Leonard truly is the center of the show, as I feel, seeing the others attempt to handle him being gone would be great fun. I think it can really solidify Leonard and Penny 2.0 as Penny will get a chance to really examine her feelings about the relationship.

[SRAM]

I think they could do it in one episode. Everything could be going to crap, while Leonard is gone. Sheldon can't cope with things, Amy sick of having to do everything for him, while living in her apartment because he won't let her stay in Leonard's room. Raj and Howard so sick of him that they want to kill him. Bernadette supporting Howard. Penny really missing Leonard. Leonard can then come back the last minute or two to a welcome home party and a waiting Penny's arms.

[ArmyGirl]

Personally, I am not interested in having Leonard off canvas when the new season starts.  He has been pushed to the back of the line when it comes to storylines as is (heck Amy, Howard, Raj have had better storylines than Leonard has). 

 

I mean even his supposely great job offer became all about Sheldon and then Penny to an extent.  We got basically nothing on Leonard he was mostly in the background, so sorry I don't care about woor wittle Sheldon how he is adjusting to finally having to put on his big boy pants and grow up.  As to Penny needing more time to explore her feeling about Lenny 2.0. been there done that and it's time to move forward.

 

Leonard has been reduced to taking care of Sheldon or Penny and I didn't get invested in the character to see him have no life outside of being a caretaker for grown people.  I feel that some only care about how it affects Sheldon and Penny but never once wonder how it affects Leonard.  Leonard deserves to have more on the show than being in the background or taking care of Sheldon and/or Penny.  eta: His personal life is on Penny's time table and will only move forward if she wants it to.  His professional life is ... we don't really know.  His life has been about getting Sheldon to and from where he needs to be. Leonard life is all about what others wants and nothing about the goals, needs or wants of the things he dreams about.

 

Don't mean to offend anyone with my post.  I am just sick of Leonard being used to further others characters storylines.

Edited May 20, 2013 by ArmyGirl

[Guitars1964]

ArmyGirl, I like your reference to being invested in the character - it's so true for all of us.  It's why this forum came to be and seems to thrive.  You might have a point about Leonard, although, if true, I still contend that he's the stable center that, to the extent possible, anchors the others.  I almost wonder if the group will get together at Sheldon's for dinner now that Leonard is away.  I could almost see everyone off to themselves, except Penny will still hang with Bernadette and Amy.  

 

With that said, the above suggestions by others about doing an episode or two with Leonard away and what happens without that stable center might be fun.  They could even counterpoint it (I know episode time is only 20 minutes or so) with what Leonard's up to on the boat.  But Leonard is the coolest of the nerds and probably the straight man of the show - we shouldn't expect to see the stuff like Howard got into on the ISS.  Leonard isn't going to be the butt of jokes on the boat (good grief, once the others see a picture of his girlfriend, he will be considered totally cool).  And with respect to Leonard (with Penny present), one of my favorite scenes of the whole series is Leonard talking about his experiments to Penny in his lab, including the discussion of the holographic/string theory stuff (I'm obviously not informed on the real science here).  That was really wonderful television in my view.  Where else does that kind of science get discussed.  Leonard may be not getting the up front big story lines, but that scene told us a lot about him, as does the North Sea adventure (and despite being a d-bag so often, Howard does deserve credit for talking up Leonard and getting him the opportunity).

 

Leonard may continue to have more of the quiet background role in some ways, but he is the real anchor that holds the whole thing together, in my humble opinion.  He's way, way, way too patient with Sheldon (I would have told Sheldon to get out of the car at the airport, at a minimum), and in some ways Leonard is still too submissive/passive, but we know the tough childhood he had, and he somehow survived that nutsy family (at least mother) to become a very caring person.  I really like him.  Of all of them, he's the one I'd most want to hang with (uh, well, after Penny, of course).

[phantagrae]

I think you've hit the nail on the head, Guitars1964.

 

Leonard is pretty much the show's straight man, the center of the BBT universe, if you will.  Even Amy said it in that episode where the gang kept going over to Raj's apartment for dinner, leaving Sheldon to decide whether he would join them or try to create his own new group of friends.

 

While I think it's true that there could be a little more focus on Leonard and his life, etc., from time to time, he's always going to be the one reacting to the craziness around him, because that's his function as a character in many ways.

 

I think they could show him on the boat for an episode or two.  And although he can brag about having a hot girlfriend, he's still a somewhat wimpy, nerdy guy with a suitcase full of inhalers and dramamine.

I don't know that they'd pass up a chance to show him suffering on the boat at least once.  But since they won't be able to Skype, I don't know that we'll get the same kind of off-site interaction that we got with Howard while he was in space.

 

In a way, the show is told kind of from Leonard's point of view in that he's probably the character closest to the audience in terms of how he sees the other people kind of spinning around him.  Even Penny, with her non-genius status, isn't really the POV of the audience.  From the beginning, Leonard was the one to whom the others were drawn.  Only Amy and Bernadette were drawn to someone other than Leonard.

[eirwinrommel]

I think they could show him on the boat for an episode or two.  And although he can brag about having a hot girlfriend, he's still a somewhat wimpy, nerdy guy with a suitcase full of inhalers and dramamine.

I don't know that they'd pass up a chance to show him suffering on the boat at least once.  But since they won't be able to Skype, I don't know that we'll get the same kind of off-site interaction that we got with Howard while he was in space.

 

In a way, the show is told kind of from Leonard's point of view in that he's probably the character closest to the audience in terms of how he sees the other people kind of spinning around him.  Even Penny, with her non-genius status, isn't really the POV of the audience.  From the beginning, Leonard was the one to whom the others were drawn.  Only Amy and Bernadette were drawn to someone other than Leonard.

First, the group Leonard is working with (except for the ship's crew) is a group of scientists. For all we know Leonard could be a combination of George Clooney and Arnold compared to them (probably not but we don't know). Second why no Skype? The ship's bandwidth should support it (it's not like they're on a cruseship with thousand s of people wanting to use it) and you can bet they made sure to have a good internet connection. The biggest problem I see for Leonard is that he's the new guy, among a group of people that has (presumably) worked together for a while (if they are Hawking's team), like a stranger trying to break into Leonard's group back home

Edited May 20, 2013 by eirwinrommel

[Tensor]

I have to jump in here and defend Sheldon's work.  It's not comparable to Howard or Leonard.  Those two are dealing with physical apparatuses, so it makes sense to see what they are working on.   In Sheldon's case, what he does is so esoteric that it's difficult to translate to the small screen.   Sheldon's work is visible on the whiteboards.  He works equations.  The derivations, how they fit within the framework of theory and hypotheses, then writes a paper.      That paper is then refereed, and if found acceptable is published in whatever journal it is appropriate to publish it in.  The referee can ask for changes and corrections or reject the paper entirely.  

 

 I know we've all heard of the Higgs boson, but how many know the story behind it?  It was hypothesized  over 50 years ago and we just now have the technology to find it.  Sheldon's work with string theory will be far more difficult to test.  And just because we haven't heard of any kind of acclaim for Sheldon(within the show of course) that isn't all that unusual.   Roy Kerr didn't get any kind of recognition for quite a while after his discovery of a Kerr black hole.  Or Jacob Bekenstein, who showed Hawking to be wrong about Black Hole Thermodynamics, or Leonard Susskind who also showed Hawking wrong about Black Hole information theory (as a side note, Susskind is the one who pushed the idea of the Holographic Principle, for those who remember that from 6.05).  But without Juan Maldacena's hypothesis concerning Anti-de Sitter space, the holographic Principle is useless.   The other problem is that our universe seems to have a de Sitter geometry, so again, the holographic principle is useless.   

 

All of these guys worked more or less on their own (probably with grad students and post docs working with them, something the show won't show, except tangentially (see The Cooper-Nowitzki Theorem)).   Now, they do go to conferences, but the show very rarely shows this (The Cooper-Hofstader Polarization).   Working out the consequences and then publishing is what these guys do.   The papers they publish, with their ideas in them, are how reputations are built.   We know Sheldon Publishes, we know he's worked out some rather high level ideas(The Einstein Approximation and Cooper Nowitzki) .  His theoretical work was thought highly enough that a government grant was approved for the trip to the arctic. That the trip was a disaster has nothing to do with his work that got the expedition approved.   Kripke thought his work way below what he thought Sheldon was capable of.   The only point of comparison Kripke has is probably Sheldon's papers.   In all reality, the problem with his work with Kripke may be simply having problems on that particular idea. 

 

As for Leonard, yeah, I think he's pretty much the anchor of the group and of the show.

Edited May 20, 2013 by Tensor

[Guitars1964]

I dunno - kind of funny to think Howard can Skype from ISS but Leonard can't from a boat?  Well, maybe he can, who knows?

[Nogravitasatall]

Leonard as the show's hero is a topic that got a run a run here earlier, but where TPTB mess with this is that they make it to be so understated. He has been brave, selfless, victorious in combat, cunning, accepted into the higher echelons of wizardly councils and has won the princess. He is now off on another dangerous quest, cos more people die in the North Sea than in space; and he is not very tall

I now know why they keep his socks on.

Meanwhile, Sheldon fights his own battles - more with himself, than with others.

Edited May 20, 2013 by Nogravitasatall

[Tensor]

I dunno - kind of funny to think Howard can Skype from ISS but Leonard can't from a boat?  Well, maybe he can, who knows?

 

The ISS has a lot of high bandwidth communication gear.   Under those circumstances, Skyping isn't a problem.   Since the boat is set up for running the experiment, for an educational institution, it may not have all the extra bandwidth to play with.   It may have one high bandwidth line to send the data back and Skyping for the crew may not have been one of the need to have items.    Limited funds can lead to compromises on expeditions such as these.  

[mjc45]

team hofstadter-love is in the air,

sitting in her place eating dinner,talk

about there problem with hawking's trip.

in the car by the airport was so sweet,

both giving I L U to each other, gave

her the locket,just like the snowflake

in season#3

[Guitars1964]

team hofstadter-love is in the air,

sitting in her place eating dinner,talk

about there problem with hawking's trip.

in the car by the airport was so sweet,

both giving I L U to each other, gave

her the locket,just like the snowflake

in season#3

 

And to Leonard's credit as a good guy, he didn't even make his travel plans until he discussed it with Penny.  And to her credit, she said, yeah, you gotta go.  As I have said before, all it took was 90 seconds in the car at the airport for me to have hope.  Geez, I'm such a pushover.  

[hamerman55]

My problem with Sheldon's research is that he is so hell-bent on doing it alone, he makes mistakes. Handing a paper to Stephen Hawking with a math error is just sloppy and a sign of intellectual arrogance. If he would allow grad students to work with him, they'd help catch that sort of thing. Even Sheldon said his work on fusion was weak compared to Barry's. Now it might not be his gig, but he was working on a grant proposal independently until the university required him and Barry to collaborate. So Sheldon of his own volution chose to start a research proposal on fusion to pursue the funding. Universities either have all the interested parties collaborate, as in this case, or collect the proposals and pick the best one.

Regarding the Arctic expedition, if Sheldon had been open to the data actually collected, he could have revised his theory to incorporate the experimental findings. Instead, he could not accept that his theory was not supported by the data, and became such a pain that his friends actually developed two plans to do away with him. Thankfully good sense prevailed and they decided to deceive him to shut him up. He also made it clear that Raj, Howard and Leonard would get NO CREDIT for their work. Of course, this backfires on him as he announced he confirmed his theory and excluded that other guys, hence they weren't implicated in his arrogance.

He's effectively isolated himself professionally, as a result. He has even driven Raj away, apparently. He should be going to meetings, have a small research group, and actively work with others in his field, if for no other reason than to bounce ideas off each other. Good for everyone. Early on, he was a bit of a rock star, with Ramona, the other girl and Alex initially grateful to work with him. But Sheldon snorts and states clearly that they couldn't possibly understand his thoughts. Maybe so, but they could check his math.

I agree that they could bring Leonard back in the first episode, and accomplish much of the fun. @ArmyGirl is right that Leonard rarely gets a plotline of his own. Generally he is the point around which the madness of the others revolves. If could be fun to have Leonard Skype about the great work, and watch Sheldon fumes and sputter while Penny beams with pride. Keeping him on the ship, with Skype communication, would keep the focus on Leonard directly, but that could be continued once he got back too. The university could have him pair up with Howard to developed new gear to enhance the work for Hawking. Clearly Howard is a gifted engineer (the exploding space toilet notwithstanding). Raj and Sheldon worked together briefly, and Sheldon and Leonard did some groundbreaking work in the first season together, so it would be cool to pair up Howard and Leonard. It would up the science factor, and separate Raj from Howard so,they can develop the "Raj can talk to girls" arc. If Leonard and Howard start to have success, we could have Sheldon trying to join them in some fashion. Only this time, they have an external feedback loop through the girls. I could see Bernie and Penny leaning on Amy to get Sheldon to dial it down a bit or we could have a several episode arc similar to the parking spot episode. Good fun.

[Nogravitasatall]

And to Leonard's credit as a good guy, he didn't even make his travel plans until he discussed it with Penny. And to her credit, she said, yeah, you gotta go. As I have said before, all it took was 90 seconds in the car at the airport for me to have hope. Geez, I'm such a pushover.

I timed it too. Concentrated goodness at the airport, in spite of the distraction. eta 75 seconds. Talk about short. Edited May 21, 2013 by Nogravitasatall

[SRAM]

Something needs to happen between L/P, when Leonard comes home, them going right back to where they were before he left just doesn't make sense. Maybe Penny could have Sheldon help her write up a relationship agreement, for her and Leonard, for when he comes back, that states no matter where they sleep at night, they agree to sleep together. That way neither of them gives up their apartment. But something needs to change, for the good, when he comes back.

[Guitars1964]

Something needs to happen between L/P, when Leonard comes home, them going right back to where they were before he left just doesn't make sense. Maybe Penny could have Sheldon help her write up a relationship agreement, for her and Leonard, for when he comes back, that states no matter where they sleep at night, they agree to sleep together. That way neither of them gives up their apartment. But something needs to change, for the good, when he comes back.

 

SRAM, I guess you didn't take away as much as I did from the airport goodbye scene.  I thought that Penny's sincere, I-said-it-first, ILY was pretty big and a real change for the good.  I'd expect some changes from pre-trip in their relationship, but I wouldn't be looking for anything like living together or engagement, etc.  Don't know how 4 months apart will affect Penny (since the marriage proposal thing is now firmly in her court), but she pushed it away when Bernadette brought it up before Leonard left.  And we know TV sitcoms - those biggie events will be held in reserve for season enders, sweep weeks and until the creators and writers decide the show is winding down or they need to goose ratings.  I know you weren't suggesting engagement or marriage at this point, but I am not sure there will be big L&P changes in September.  But, you never know what the writers have in store - part of the fun.

[eirwinrommel]

SRAM, I guess you didn't take away as much as I did from the airport goodbye scene.  I thought that Penny's sincere, I-said-it-first, ILY was pretty big and a real change for the good.  I'd expect some changes from pre-trip in their relationship, but I wouldn't be looking for anything like living together or engagement, etc.  Don't know how 4 months apart will affect Penny (since the marriage proposal thing is now firmly in her court), but she pushed it away when Bernadette brought it up before Leonard left.  And we know TV sitcoms - those biggie events will be held in reserve for season enders, sweep weeks and until the creators and writers decide the show is winding down or they need to goose ratings.  I know you weren't suggesting engagement or marriage at this point, but I am not sure there will be big L&P changes in September.  But, you never know what the writers have in store - part of the fun.

I suspect SRAM was talking about living together, or something of that vein. They probably won't do that until November sweeps at the earliest, but they could work out the details before then. Though I'd like to see Leonard come home and find Penny has moved him in to her place over the summer.  (She missed him so much that she moved his stuff over a piece at a time and before she noticed it she'd moved all his non collectables to her place.)

[SRAM]

I suspect SRAM was talking about living together, or something of that vein. They probably won't do that until November sweeps at the earliest, but they could work out the details before then. Though I'd like to see Leonard come home and find Penny has moved him in to her place over the summer.  (She missed him so much that she moved his stuff over a piece at a time and before she noticed it she'd moved all his non collectables to her place.)

I like that idea, that she either moves enough of his stuff or buys enough stuff, so he can stay with her anytime, without having to go across the hall to get stuff. It wouldn't have to be that much either, shaving and bath stuff, a robe, some clothes, and a couple other small things. They wouldn't be moving in together but it would definitely say she was thinking it.

[Tensor]

Remember, he's not moved in until he's moved his bat signal.

[phantagrae]

WIth the guys' apartment so central to the way they tell stories on the show, I kind of doubt they'll be making any major changes to that living arrangement any time soon.

 

As much as Leonard eats over at Penny's place these days, they haven't been showing them sleeping together at either place very much.

When they were together back in S3 we saw much more of them sleeping at either her place or his.  Hmmm...