Ship Zone Leonard And Penny Shippers Thread (Possible Spoilers)

[eirwinrommel]

You know I thought I was the only one that saw how the writers almost killed the show with the (aka the Sheldon show). I loss a lot of my enjoyment with TBBT when we finally got Lenny in season 3 only for it to fodder for Sheldon to crap all over and I will admit it made me not like the character Sheldon as much as seasons one and two.

 

Now Leonard and Penny to some extent are stuck basically from any really movement due to being handcuffed to the Sheldon characrter. In the first two season there was at least some freedom of movements for Leonard, Penny, and Lenny.

They are shackled by success.

[ArmyGirl]

They are shackled by success.

 

 

This may be true, tho it doesn't mean it's good for the characters Leonard, Penny or the relationship Lenny.

 

I mean once Sheldon and Shamy (aka the writers fav) are off any running where does it leave Leonard, Penny and Lenny?  Sometimes success come with a price that is to steep.

Edited May 25, 2013 by ArmyGirl

[hamerman55]

This may be true, tho it doesn't mean it's good from the characters Leonard, Penny or the relationship Lenny.

I mean once Sheldon and Shamy (aka the writers fav) are off any running where does it leave Leonard, Penny and Lenny? Sometimes success come with a price that is to steep.

I think it is a case of two neat shiny toys, and depending on the writers, they like one over the other. The Leonard and Penny relationship is still unique, and IMO grossly under-explored. This past season is a testament to depths and humor that can be mined out of Lenny. In Season 3, the writers at the time adopted Sheldon as a pet, and did nothing to develop Leonard and Penny's relationship. Nothing happened except to highlight how incompatable they were, with extensive commentary by Sheldon. As has been noted, Sheldon became the writer's pet, and to cap the season off, they cloned him with Amy so they would have two grossly extreme characters to write for. I wonder if it was because "Two and a Half Men" was starting to fizzle, so instead of using Alan and Charlie for their madness, they adopted Shamy. However, they quickly found out that actually didn't work, and they mixed a little Penny into the Amy character. Lorre also seemed to be in love with the female lead in the failed pilot, so he wrote in some of that character into Penny, to her detriment. The Penny character was basically Kaley, since they found the actress to be such a nice person. But writers and producers often won't let go of bad or failed ideas, and keep trying to prove they were actually right all along. This season, with Penny getting much more like she was in the first two seasons (sans the short-shorts and crop tops, sadly) the couple and show fluorishes. Lorre was wrong, and Molaro is right.

They are stuck in that Sheldon is becoming too extreme. There are those that really love the character, and go on at length about how he hasn't and shouldn't change, but the problem is that he has changed considerably over the course of the show, and not always for the better. For example, in the pilot, he is a semi-pro masturbator, to paraphrase Leonard. Now one would think he's never, ever done such a thing, and for that matter, wouldn't really understand why he should be interested in doing such a thing. The writers are wildly inconsistent over whether he is touch phobic or germ phobic. This season in particular, he's started to put Leonard down personally (un-named red shirted crewman instead of captain). He's always had the theoretician's contempt for the value of experimental physics relative to theoretical work, but he was never personally dismissive of Leonard his friend before. I could go on, but the writers have pushed Sheldon in some bad directions, while ignoring the more interesting relationship that started the show. I like Sheldon from before, but right now he's gotten obnoxious except in spots. Those spots I really like, particularly the D&D episode, and when he asked Penny not to hurt his friend. Sheldon's core is good and noble, but what the hell is going on with him most of the time now?

Edited May 25, 2013 by hamerman55

[Guitars1964]

At what point will the writers finally have Penny sacrificed something to move the Lenny relationship forward.  Penny gets to dictate almost everthing that happens be it marriage, when they get to live together, even to the point of what they do and see in the relationship.  Will it take Penny another six years to do anything that will help the relationship along?  Heck, it only took six years for her tell Leonard she loved him.  Penny isn't some young twentysomething anymore she is now closer to thirty and she needs to act like it.

 

So we  have to ask what does Penny bring to the relationship?  When does Penny compromise and finally give up something she loves.  Isn't that what relationship's are about? Heck isn't that what life is about?  Giving and taking, sacrificing, compromising is how much of life works. 

 

As for the Sheldon question.... when does Leonard get to be free and enjoy his life?  I mean is it really Leonard's responsibility to hand hold Sheldon through every situation in life?  When does Sheldon get to put on his big boy pants and step up to the plate and assume responsibility for his own life wants and needs?

 

ArmyGirl, you ask good questions, ones I have struggled with.  Gotta admit, were I in Leonard's shoes, I'd be probably just like him, captivated and over the moon about Penny and probably making lots of concessions.  I know the posts have gone back and forth about Penny and Leonard and the responsibility each has had for the meandering course of their relationship.  She's a tough cookie in lots of respects and could be a handful if they get married.  But, on her own testimony, she likes it when Leonard gets all take charge and stuff, and he probably needs to be a little more demanding himself with her.  I guess that's why the goodbye in the car represented such a significant event in my view in terms of where Penny is with the relationship.  The one-night-stands/walk-of-shame Penny seems long gone and we all hope that she'll be true to her man over the summer (I think she will).

 

Leonard's conceding the marriage proposal responsibility to her was probably the right move, given his full court press in the past to move the relationship along - she's been way too freaked about the big "M" word for him to push it again.  But that deal can't be open-ended - if she doesn't come to that place herself and come to him on bended knee at some point, Leonard would probably have to make a hard choice to end things.  Knowing Leonard's feelings, that would be a hard call for him (it would probably require another potential mate entering his universe to give him pause to consider another path).

 

Sometimes I think the writers make Penny a bit Jekyl/Hyde - one minute she seems very caring and nurturng, even mothering, and at other times totally not.  I have my views about some her jokes with/at Leonard, which I still feel are a bit mean-spirited at times.  But hope springs eternal and I see her changing.  Someone commented that it would be instructive to learn the root of her commitment issues and marriage phobia, but I suspect within the confines of a sitcom, the writers won't spend any time there.  And I know we've all differed about if/when there will be a wedding for these two - I'd go so far as to say it would take some guts on the part of the writers to go there BEFORE the end of the series.  For me, I say yeah, take a risk.  Don't lop all of the big change episodes into the last 3 of the series in 4 years.  

 

I'd like to believe that the 4 month separation might move Penny toward commitment with Leonard.  Not sure what more poor old Leonard can do to make her feel safe and loved.  

 

In terms of the situation (as in sitcom), having Leonard and Sheldon not live together does represent a significant issue for the writers - that relationship and their apartment as group headquarters has formed the basis of the show.  The writers will have to struggle with how far from the successful situation they are willing to take it for the sake of change while ostensibly risking the success.  We also have to acknowledge Sheldon's well-documented fear of change, so moving him across the hall so L&P can live in 4A represents a big deal.  But that works better for the show than having L&P move elsewhere (assuming Penny will be ready for the live-in).

[hamerman55]

 

In terms of the situation (as in sitcom), having Leonard and Sheldon not live together does represent a significant issue for the writers - that relationship and their apartment as group headquarters has formed the basis of the show.  The writers will have to struggle with how far from the successful situation they are willing to take it for the sake of change while ostensibly risking the success.  We also have to acknowledge Sheldon's well-documented fear of change, so moving him across the hall so L&P can live in 4A represents a big deal.  But that works better for the show than having L&P move elsewhere (assuming Penny will be ready for the live-in).

 

Changing the 4th living arrangements could be a significant story arc in the 7th season. I can envision Penny and Leonard deciding that they want to live together after he returns from the North Sea, but I have little idea of how the discussion with Sheldon would go. I don't think they've slept in 4A since they got back together, so Sheldon hasn't really had to deal with their rekindled relationship. The only argument I can see for easily moving Sheldon is to keep from having Amy move in to 4A with Sheldon. If Penny moves in with Leonard, and Sheldon moves across the hall, will Sheldon be over all the time? I don't think Penny would want to give up that much privacy to Sheldon.

 

Penny could tell Leonard that she wants him to sleep over at her place all the time when he comes back, while having him keep his stuff in 4A, as a compromise. I could see her telling him she never wants to sleep alone again, but when the discuss the logistics of the apartment size, they could decide to have him be in both places until they find their own. It moves the relationship forward but doesn't really change the social layout. 

[Tensor]

Penny could tell Leonard that she wants him to sleep over at her place all the time when he comes back, while having him keep his stuff in 4A, as a compromise. I could see her telling him she never wants to sleep alone again, but when the discuss the logistics of the apartment size, they could decide to have him be in both places until they find their own. It moves the relationship forward but doesn't really change the social layout.

Ahhhhhh, the old three bedroom, two bath, two great room, two kitchen apartment. The question would become does Leonard pay half of Penny's rent and cut how much he pays to Sheldon, because of the different amount of time he spends in each appartment? Although the writers would probably ignore that part of it.

[Oldnavy]

Changing the 4th living arrangements could be a significant story arc in the 7th season. I can envision Penny and Leonard deciding that they want to live together after he returns from the North Sea, but I have little idea of how the discussion with Sheldon would go. I don't think they've slept in 4A since they got back together, so Sheldon hasn't really had to deal with their rekindled relationship. The only argument I can see for easily moving Sheldon is to keep from having Amy move in to 4A with Sheldon. If Penny moves in with Leonard, and Sheldon moves across the hall, will Sheldon be over all the time? I don't think Penny would want to give up that much privacy to Sheldon.

 

Penny could tell Leonard that she wants him to sleep over at her place all the time when he comes back, while having him keep his stuff in 4A, as a compromise. I could see her telling him she never wants to sleep alone again, but when the discuss the logistics of the apartment size, they could decide to have him be in both places until they find their own. It moves the relationship forward but doesn't really change the social layout. 

 

Ahhhhhh, the old three bedroom, two bath, two great room, two kitchen apartment. The question would become does Leonard pay half of Penny's rent and cut how much he pays to Sheldon, because of the different amount of time he spends in each appartment? Although the writers would probably ignore that part of it.

As I see it, there is going to have to be some changes in the show at some point.  All of the characters are developing and changing and the L/P relationship is the best example.  At some point Leonard and Penny will be living together and married, which means that Leonard and Sheldon will not be living together unless they are going to make it a "Threes a Crowd" scenario. 

 

The writers may be able to string out the L/P relationship a little longer but in time it is going to get old and the audience will lose interest.  IMO.

[Tensor]

As I see it, there is going to have to be some changes in the show at some point.  All of the characters are developing and changing and the L/P relationship is the best example.  At some point Leonard and Penny will be living together and married, which means that Leonard and Sheldon will not be living together unless they are going to make it a "Threes a Crowd" scenario. 

 

The writers may be able to string out the L/P relationship a little longer but in time it is going to get old and the audience will lose interest.  IMO.

No, I agree with you. I was just being funny with the three bedroom... comment. But my question about who pays what if Leonard stays with Penny, but leaves most of his stuff in 4B still stands.

[Nogravitasatall]

I suspended my disbelief at "The metric tensor is the geometrical object..." so I'll wait and have it explained to me in moving pictures with sound.

[Oldnavy]

No, I agree with you. I was just being funny with the three bedroom... comment. But my question about who pays what if Leonard stays with Penny, but leaves most of his stuff in 4B still stands.

I get the humor with the three bedrooms. 

 

The question regarding of who pays what if Leonard is half living with Penny and half with Sheldon is a good question.  This is why I think the show will have to make some changes in the future.  I know that this is a sitcom and fictional story, but there are some things that have to make sense.  I don't know to many people who will pay half rent on two places.

 

This a very good question to be raised.

[SRAM]

You know I have to believe the writers know they have to change something when Leonard comes back.  Things changed when Leonard came back from the North Pole, and they know that, so they had to think about that when they decided to send him to the North Sea.  The fans are going to expect something to change, so I do expect something to happen and the thing that will least impact the show, would be if Penny wants Leonarda to somehow spend every night with her, not matter what bedroom they use.  So that is my guess and bet, there is going to be something about their living arraingements that will change.

[hamerman55]

After doing some thinking, I have a few ideas about how things might go. First of all, the writers have shown no interest in long story arcs. Second, they don't do drama or romance, really. Third, when they do something big, it usually means something. Fourth, they do not like to change Sheldon.

 

So, to explain why Penny has such commitment issues, they would probably need some sort of long story arc, involving drama. At least I can't think of anything that would be easy to explain in a few minutes of show time, that would also be funny. So the easiest way out of that is to have Penny propose to Leonard quickly, so we will forget about the commitment issues, and more importantly, so they won't have to explain it. Since one big thing in the finale was Leonard going away for four months, this is likely to be the trigger. The last time Leonard was away for any length of time, Penny practically assaulted him sexually at the front door. I suspect that is the least that will happen now, given that they are in an established relationship. Some sort of relationship upgrade is more or less demanded by the set up. Penny upping the commitment ante avoids the drama of a commitment explanation. Since Leonard more or less lives with Penny now, engagement is highly likely. By the fourth rule above, Sheldon will not move. Leonard will move in with Penny, as inconvenient as that sounds. This also addresses Penny's privacy issues, in that having Leonard move into her space gives her the illusion of control, and the small size of the apartment precludes many people hanging out much. 

 

Second, why do I think Leonard was sent away? First, to set up Penny for a commitment upgrade and not force an explanation of her commitment issues. Second, to clear some show time for the second big change - Raj being able to talk to the girls (at least). Unless it is limited to Penny, Amy and Bernie, we will get to see Raj attempting to date. Since he was Howard's wingman, rich, and a bit of a douche, Raj can sort of replace Howard as the resident wanna be stud. Money will go a long way, but Raj is still a serious nerd, a major metrosexual (to the point that he seems gay) and kind of a jerk. There is much humor to be mined here. 

 

If Raj's ability to talk to women is limited to Penny and her posse, then there are other directions the humor can take, not the least of which is that he seems to want to talk the girls' ears off. One can see them working overtime to get him fixed up with someone simply to have a chance to get a word in edgewise.

 

Finally, anything that happens is likely to be shrugged off by Sheldon. Leonard is a big success in the North Sea experiments and gets tenure. Sheldon will shrug it off (it was really Leonard's association with Stephen Hawking, Leonard was just along for the ride). Leonard moves across the hall with Penny, Sheldon will spend his time trying to lure him back. Even moving Amy in simply is a direct replacement for Leonard, since in many respects, Amy is a female Leonard. The D&D episode didn't really change much, in that Sheldon has always reacted somehow to Amy when she is troubled. They've been dating for three years, and they've never shared any physical intimacy other than occasional handholding.

 

So I predict a quick resolution to the commitment issue, with Penny and Leonard living together/engaged within five episodes. Most of the episodes while Leonard is gone will focus on Raj, and on how inconvenienced Sheldon is by Leonard being gone. In order to keep Howard and Bernie busy, Raj will probably spend most of his time with them, while Penny and Amy will deal with Sheldon. It would be really funny if Amy was most grateful for Leonard's return.

[eirwinrommel]

After doing some thinking, I have a few ideas about how things might go. First of all, the writers have shown no interest in long story arcs. Second, they don't do drama or romance, really. Third, when they do something big, it usually means something. Fourth, they do not like to change Sheldon.

 

So, to explain why Penny has such commitment issues, they would probably need some sort of long story arc, involving drama. At least I can't think of anything that would be easy to explain in a few minutes of show time, that would also be funny. So the easiest way out of that is to have Penny propose to Leonard quickly, so we will forget about the commitment issues, and more importantly, so they won't have to explain it. Since one big thing in the finale was Leonard going away for four months, this is likely to be the trigger. The last time Leonard was away for any length of time, Penny practically assaulted him sexually at the front door. I suspect that is the least that will happen now, given that they are in an established relationship. Some sort of relationship upgrade is more or less demanded by the set up. Penny upping the commitment ante avoids the drama of a commitment explanation. Since Leonard more or less lives with Penny now, engagement is highly likely. By the fourth rule above, Sheldon will not move. Leonard will move in with Penny, as inconvenient as that sounds. This also addresses Penny's privacy issues, in that having Leonard move into her space gives her the illusion of control, and the small size of the apartment precludes many people hanging out much. 

 

Second, why do I think Leonard was sent away? First, to set up Penny for a commitment upgrade and not force an explanation of her commitment issues. Second, to clear some show time for the second big change - Raj being able to talk to the girls (at least). Unless it is limited to Penny, Amy and Bernie, we will get to see Raj attempting to date. Since he was Howard's wingman, rich, and a bit of a douche, Raj can sort of replace Howard as the resident wanna be stud. Money will go a long way, but Raj is still a serious nerd, a major metrosexual (to the point that he seems gay) and kind of a jerk. There is much humor to be mined here. 

 

If Raj's ability to talk to women is limited to Penny and her posse, then there are other directions the humor can take, not the least of which is that he seems to want to talk the girls' ears off. One can see them working overtime to get him fixed up with someone simply to have a chance to get a word in edgewise.

 

Finally, anything that happens is likely to be shrugged off by Sheldon. Leonard is a big success in the North Sea experiments and gets tenure. Sheldon will shrug it off (it was really Leonard's association with Stephen Hawking, Leonard was just along for the ride). Leonard moves across the hall with Penny, Sheldon will spend his time trying to lure him back. Even moving Amy in simply is a direct replacement for Leonard, since in many respects, Amy is a female Leonard. The D&D episode didn't really change much, in that Sheldon has always reacted somehow to Amy when she is troubled. They've been dating for three years, and they've never shared any physical intimacy other than occasional handholding.

 

So I predict a quick resolution to the commitment issue, with Penny and Leonard living together/engaged within five episodes. Most of the episodes while Leonard is gone will focus on Raj, and on how inconvenienced Sheldon is by Leonard being gone. In order to keep Howard and Bernie busy, Raj will probably spend most of his time with them, while Penny and Amy will deal with Sheldon. It would be really funny if Amy was most grateful for Leonard's return.

You make some good points, and I can see things going that way for the most part. The only two things I disagree with is L/P living in Penny's current Apt. There's just not enough room for all their stuff. If Leonard moves in he'll want to have some of his things (besides clothes and medications) there. If he's forced to store ALL of his things, he won't be happy (mind you I expect he'll have to store most of his stuff, that usually happens when men and women move in together). As for Amy moving in with Sheldon, I don't see that happening soon, just look at The Spoiler Alert Segmentation. Sure Penny didn't want Leonard to move in at that time, but that was more because he sprung it on her then anything else. On the other hand Sheldon was terrified of the idea (why else would he have practicaly begged Leonard to return?).

[BangerMain]

You make some good points, and I can see things going that way for the most part. The only two things I disagree with is L/P living in Penny's current Apt. There's just not enough room for all their stuff. If Leonard moves in he'll want to have some of his things (besides clothes and medications) there. If he's forced to store ALL of his things, he won't be happy (mind you I expect he'll have to store most of his stuff, that usually happens when men and women move in together). As for Amy moving in with Sheldon, I don't see that happening soon, just look at The Spoiler Alert Segmentation. Sure Penny didn't want Leonard to move in at that time, but that was more because he sprung it on her then anything else. On the other hand Sheldon was terrified of the idea (why else would he have practically begged Leonard to return?).

 

Pretty much the only practical solution is to have Leonard and Penny live in 3A or 5A. For TPTB that keeps them in contact with Sheldon and that would exchange the apt 4B set for a larger place for Penny and Leonard.

 

This would also allow Amy to live with Sheldon in 4A but in a separate room.

Edited May 27, 2013 by BangerMain

[Zhalen565]

Pretty much the only practical solution is to have Leonard and Penny live in 3A or 5A. For TPTB that keeps them in contact with Sheldon and that would exchange the apt 4B set for a larger place for Penny and Leonard.

 

This would also allow Amy to live with Sheldon in 4A but in a separate room.

And in 5A they can annoy Sheldon by "jumping up and down on the bed"

[ArmyGirl]

And in 5A they can annoy Sheldon by "jumping up and down on the bed"

 

I'm all for it ... lol

[ArmyGirl]

Pretty much the only practical solution is to have Leonard and Penny live in 3A or 5A. For TPTB that keeps them in contact with Sheldon and that would exchange the apt 4B set for a larger place for Penny and Leonard.

 

This would also allow Amy to live with Sheldon in 4A but in a separate room.

 

TPTB have to do something about Lenny living situation and it can't wait much longer, imo.  I mean it's time that Lenny be allowed to move forward and it's also time Sheldon learn to stand on his own two feet and all needs to happen is Leonard finally allowed to move out. 

[Nicholas]

The on again, off again nature of their relationship, while integral to the series' past success, would feel cheap, outdated and artificial if used in the future. Season 6 showed great growth and solidified their relationship, depicting a number of touching moments and interactions.

I hope they continue to build upon Season 6, flesh out their relationship and gradually lead up to the inevitable proposal. My biggest fear see's them split up, yet again, in an attempt to prolong the show and make life easier for the writers. After all it's easier to tease a relationship, than write it.

 

Like many of you I agree, Leonard moving in marks the next big step and is something I believe we need to see this season. Given past evidence I doubt we'll ever see the pair bring a baby into the world (I think we'll see those wheels slowly start to turn for Howard and Bernadette) but I think we need a happy ever after.

It's been a good season for them (I'd argue the best since the first). Penny has made efforts to actively support and take an interest in Leonard's passions; while Leonard has finally grown up, cut out the constant grovelling and is now participating in his fantasy relationship in a very real way.

They are the backbone of the show and for the first time in a few years I think their on the right track. Long may it continue.   

 

[Nogravitasatall]

I posted this elsewhere.

Maybe Penny can have faulty plumbing for a season and they introduce a hot but hopeless contractor to fuss Amy about - like a Zack - and Penny has to move in with Leonard. Sheldon then has to deal with the blonde monkey in his face AND compete for his girl. Or not.

they could run this long or short. Building maintenance is slow.

that way Penny is compelled, but not by Leonard. And Shelly gets a nudge.

Edited May 28, 2013 by Nogravitasatall

[hamerman55]

I posted this elsewhere.

Maybe Penny can have faulty plumbing for a season and they introduce a hot but hopeless contractor to fuss Amy about - like a Zack - and Penny has to move in with Leonard. Sheldon then has to deal with the blonde monkey in his face AND compete for his girl. Or not.

they could run this long or short. Building maintenance is slow.

that way Penny is compelled, but not by Leonard. And Shelly gets a nudge.

I like this idea quite a bit, as it comes up as a plausible and necessary reason for Penny to move in with Leonard. Then we get the fun of the three of them in one apartment, and clearly Sheldon will be the odd person out this time. Leonard will brook no crap from him regarding Penny.

[Nogravitasatall]

I forgo all rights to it. If something like this appears its coincidence

[Guitars1964]

The on again, off again nature of their relationship, while integral to the series' past success, would feel cheap, outdated and artificial if used in the future. Season 6 showed great growth and solidified their relationship, depicting a number of touching moments and interactions.

I hope they continue to build upon Season 6, flesh out their relationship and gradually lead up to the inevitable proposal. My biggest fear see's them split up, yet again, in an attempt to prolong the show and make life easier for the writers. After all it's easier to tease a relationship, than write it.

 

 

 

I agree with your comments and I particularly like and agree with the sentence I underlined.  I am going to choose to have faith that the writers, who have brought the show this far, have the smarts to write it rather than tease it.  I shudder to imagine the backlash on this and related forums if the writers take the easy way out and subject us to another breakup.

[Nogravitasatall]

Shamy has moved to the Show forum There is some chatter on the site thread about organization. I think this thread could "up stumps" here and restart on the show forum as Tripper proposes. For consideration.

maybe

Leonard and Penny (spoilers) Season 7

Edited May 28, 2013 by Nogravitasatall

[Nicholas]

I posted this elsewhere.

Maybe Penny can have faulty plumbing for a season and they introduce a hot but hopeless contractor to fuss Amy about - like a Zack - and Penny has to move in with Leonard. Sheldon then has to deal with the blonde monkey in his face AND compete for his girl. Or not.

they could run this long or short. Building maintenance is slow.

that way Penny is compelled, but not by Leonard. And Shelly gets a nudge.

 

While I'd rather their living arrangement change voluntarily, something like this could work. Perhaps Penny could, over time, come to enjoy the company paving way for a permanent change later on?

 

I agree with your comments and I particularly like and agree with the sentence I underlined.  I am going to choose to have faith that the writers, who have brought the show this far, have the smarts to write it rather than tease it.  I shudder to imagine the backlash on this and related forums if the writers take the easy way out and subject us to another breakup.

I hope you're right. At times the show has basically ignored character growth, past motives and situations when coming into a new season. Penny was pining for Leonard all Season 4, yet seemed completely indifferent to the idea for half of Season 5. However this time we've seen substantial growth which can't be ignored so fingers crossed they continue in the same vein.

I do understand why they might want to drag out their relationship; culminating in a final season hook up which leaves us all warm and fuzzy, but I do hope they take the high road.

While I'm sure many will disagree I'd like to see two more top quality seasons, rather than a laboured three or four with increasingly bizarre storylines and little to no character development. I won't get into what I hope will happen, but I will say, for where the characters are right now (particularly characters like Howard and Bernadette) I don't see how they can continue to be interesting for another three of four years. Both Friends and Frasier outstayed their welcome by a couple of seasons in my opinion; I hope TBBT resists the temptation to keep going and end on a high.

 

Shamy has moved to the Show forum There is some chatter on the site thread about organization. I think this thread could "up stumps" here and restart on the show forum as Tripper proposes. For consideration.

maybe

Leonard and Penny (spoilers) Season 7

I'd be up for that. Not sure what has more viewership, the Season 6 forum on the The Show forum, but it can't hurt can it?

[eirwinrommel]

Shamy has moved to the Show forum There is some chatter on the site thread about organization. I think this thread could "up stumps" here and restart on the show forum as Tripper proposes. For consideration.

maybe

Leonard and Penny (spoilers) Season 7

Well if they want to move, good luck to them.