Ship Zone Leonard And Penny Shippers Thread (Possible Spoilers)

[hamerman55]

I posted this elsewhere.

Maybe Penny can have faulty plumbing for a season and they introduce a hot but hopeless contractor to fuss Amy about - like a Zack - and Penny has to move in with Leonard. Sheldon then has to deal with the blonde monkey in his face AND compete for his girl. Or not.

they could run this long or short. Building maintenance is slow.

that way Penny is compelled, but not by Leonard. And Shelly gets a nudge.

Didn't Penny have some problems with the water in the pilot? There was some plausible reason for her to shower in the guy's apartment.

[Nogravitasatall]

I'm bumping the thread for Ar Diem's suggestion earlier this year about where to discuss current episodes of the show.

 

I'm planning on having The Show forum act as the main forum for discussion about season seven. I have created a redirect forum now, as Season 6 winds down, to try direct conversation there when it starts to pop up. Doing this at the end of the season should make this an easier transition than it would have been during the current season. The "Episode Discussion" category will be renamed Previous Seasons and the description of The Show will be updated to reflect that it's the place to discuss Season 7.

 

I will also review the situation with The Characters forum and see if that forum's threads might work better in its parent board.

Eirwinromell, its not shamy unilaterally. is Tripper, our host.

[Nogravitasatall]

Didn't Penny have some problems with the water in the pilot? There was some plausible reason for her to shower in the guy's apartment.

yes. recycle that problem, but with more devastation - so that its not fit for occupancy.

 

And yes I know this is not entirely voluntary but I find the communal living ideas harder to swallow. Most couples want to live together, not in someone else's pocket. And you have to fabricate more reasons for them to move upstairs and not flee Sheldon, no matter how lovable he is.

Edited May 28, 2013 by Nogravitasatall

[hamerman55]

It makes sense to move the thread to a folder that isn't specific to a season, as our discussion certainly isn't confined to season six.

Edited May 29, 2013 by hamerman55

[Nogravitasatall]

I vote @tensor should have the honor., but first in best dressed maybe.

[SRAM]

You make some good points, and I can see things going that way for the most part. The only two things I disagree with is L/P living in Penny's current Apt. There's just not enough room for all their stuff. If Leonard moves in he'll want to have some of his things (besides clothes and medications) there. If he's forced to store ALL of his things, he won't be happy (mind you I expect he'll have to store most of his stuff, that usually happens when men and women move in together). As for Amy moving in with Sheldon, I don't see that happening soon, just look at The Spoiler Alert Segmentation. Sure Penny didn't want Leonard to move in at that time, but that was more because he sprung it on her then anything else. On the other hand Sheldon was terrified of the idea (why else would he have practicaly begged Leonard to return?).

Okay, Leonard comes back, it is late, he has jet lag, she wants him to sleep with her, plumbing goes bad, they end up in Leonard's apartment, soaked. Water off in her apartment while bathroom gets rebuilt by some hunky construction men. Penny flirts with them, Leonard worries, but finds out she is doing it so they put in a huge walk in closet. Penny lives with Leonard for 5-12 episodes driving Sheldon nuts, just before her apartment is done she has fight with Leonard about Sheldon and goes to sleep in her almost done apartment for night. Can't sleep, misses Leonard too much now, shows back up in his bedroom with her pillow. After this when Penny's apartment is done, she wants Leonard to move in with her. Her new closet adds the needed space for their stuff. Amy moves into Leonard's old room.

[Tensor]

@ SRAM That sounds good. I'd tell you to fic that, but I don't want you getting distracted. I have enough problems waiting for the next "Complete" to show up.

Edited May 29, 2013 by Tensor

[Nogravitasatall]

I'm now catching up on my reading. I promise not to write as I would exceed Vogon poetry in execrableness. My real problem is i read such good stuff and I want it to happen. Then I mourn.

Eta. If they do get wet can they both be in t-shirts?

Edited May 29, 2013 by Nogravitasatall

[hamerman55]

I have to be careful which forums I venture into. I was looking around, and found some the most vicious hating on Leonard, and inexplicably aggressive Shenny shipping, beyond anything I could imagine. For them, the show really should be all about Sheldon, who is the perfect human being. I have heard about this in places like tvtropes.org, but I find it unbelieveable.

Sorry, just had to get that off my chest.

I do hope they figure out a plausible way to have Penny and Leonard living with Sheldon temporarily for the humor.

[Nogravitasatall]

Lol. I have a policy now of reaching out to them with love. It does bemuse me, cos Shenny is impossible for me to get my head around. Some are just baiters. But "hate oppression and discuss TV shows"is my motto. Its not like this is life or death, unlike football (the world game) which in Europe or Sth America it can be. And for some its genuine belief and then I'd say "Sure, what the hell" and then discuss. I truly can't conceive it.

if I could work out how I'd just post the pic of the hug in the Golf at the aerodrome, that's on my phone

Edited May 29, 2013 by Nogravitasatall

[Nogravitasatall]

It makes sense to move the thread to a folder that isn't specific to a season, as our discussion cretainly isn't confined to season six.

I just noticed cretainly. Lmao :) just warning you that's ableist.

I vote @tensor should have the honor., but first in best dressed maybe.

C'mon T. Help tripper out. You have the gravitas. This seasons done. All the cool kids are on the front page. Edited May 29, 2013 by Nogravitasatall

[SRAM]

I have to be careful which forums I venture into. I was looking around, and found some the most vicious hating on Leonard, and inexplicably aggressive Shenny shipping, beyond anything I could imagine. For them, the show really should be all about Sheldon, who is the perfect human being. I have heard about this in places like tvtropes.org, but I find it unbelieveable.

Sorry, just had to get that off my chest.

I do hope they figure out a plausible way to have Penny and Leonard living with Sheldon temporarily for the humor.

The Shenny's have really gone too far lately. They have been writing about about Penny cheating with Sheldon while he is away in the dangerous North Sea. I saw this happen, in real life, so many times, while in the military to fellow airman. Having a girl you thought loved leave you for your friend, is something horrible and destroys a persons soul. I have seen people become grief stricken, go AWOL and hurt themselves over it. I find people enjoying those kind of stories offensive and sick. The Shenny's have really gone over the line with this, they a group with nothing but HATE in their hearts.

[hamerman55]

I just noticed cretainly. Lmao :) just warning you that's ableist.

Oops! And turned the spell checker off too avoid inadvertant misspellings. I'll fix that, but it was accidentally sort of funny.

[hamerman55]

The Shenny's have really gone too far lately. They have been writing about about Penny cheating with Sheldon while he is away in the dangerous North Sea. I saw this happen, in real life, so many times, while in the military to fellow airman. Having a girl you thought loved leave you for your friend, is something horrible and destroys a persons soul. I have seen people become grief stricken, go AWOL and hurt themselves over it. I find people enjoying those kind of stories offensive and sick. The Shenny's have really gone over the line with this, they a group with nothing but HATE in their hearts.

It is the intensity that really bothers me. If it were just wishful thinking and considering that it might be interesting, that's one thing. I can even gei thinking that Sheldon is the most interesting character, because in many ways he is since he is so unlike any one else on TV (or real life, for that matter). But the sort of things they are discussing do violence to the character of Sheldon, not to mention the show. Weird as he is, Sheldon would never betray Leonard in such a situation. He clearly has no interest in Penny, and thinks she's intellectually " a blonde monkey". The writers have made it clear that Penny has no interest in him, even recently. Yet even after all the events of the last two episodes, where the romantic relationships are solidly locked in, they still persist in the sort of delusion that you describe. If Sheldon had an affair with Penny while Leonard was in the North Sea, both characters would be destroyed with regard to canon.

Edited May 30, 2013 by hamerman55

[menamena]

^Okay I'm a Shamy fan but I'm just butting in to say that I completely agree hamerman55... In-fact, just hearing about Shenny fan-fics... Most of the time the plot centers around Leonard and Amy cheating on their respective gf/bf, and then Shenny finding comfort with each other.They basically want something similar to this replicated on this show.  To me, just the whole idea sounds so ridiculous that sometimes I wonder if they even watch the same show as the one I am watching. 

Edited May 29, 2013 by menamena

[hamerman55]

The on again, off again nature of their relationship, while integral to the series' past success, would feel cheap, outdated and artificial if used in the future. Season 6 showed great growth and solidified their relationship, depicting a number of touching moments and interactions.

I hope they continue to build upon Season 6, flesh out their relationship and gradually lead up to the inevitable proposal. My biggest fear see's them split up, yet again, in an attempt to prolong the show and make life easier for the writers. After all it's easier to tease a relationship, than write it.

 

Like many of you I agree, Leonard moving in marks the next big step and is something I believe we need to see this season. Given past evidence I doubt we'll ever see the pair bring a baby into the world (I think we'll see those wheels slowly start to turn for Howard and Bernadette) but I think we need a happy ever after.

It's been a good season for them (I'd argue the best since the first). Penny has made efforts to actively support and take an interest in Leonard's passions; while Leonard has finally grown up, cut out the constant grovelling and is now participating in his fantasy relationship in a very real way.

They are the backbone of the show and for the first time in a few years I think their on the right track. Long may it continue.

One thing Penny has been clear about, and was probably part of her dissatisfaction in Leonard and Penny 1.0 is his lack of confidence with regard to their relationship. As of "The 43 Peculiarity" he gets it too. Standard dating rules are that the guy plans most of the dates, and tweaks his choices based on how the girl reacts. As traditionally the guy paid for the dates, this actually makes sense as he could choose things that he could afford and liked. Since Penny is pretty forthright in most cases, it would be easy to be "take charge Leonard" which Penny has clearly stated that she not only liked, but is actively excited by. The first real kiss of Leonard and Penny 2.0 was at the gun range when he expressed confidence and palnned a cool date. The relationship kicked into high gear when Penny put the effort out to observe Leonard in HIS natural environment, where he is clearly a master (you don't work at CalTech unless you are the best). If you are going to see Leonard at his best, it will be in the lab. What has sealed the deal is when Leonard called Penny out for her bad behavior on their Valentine's date. In a way, it was the strongest Leonard ever, since the subtext was that he was so sure Penny would come around, that he can afford to wait for her to realize the truth that they will be married. Basically, he's won Penny, she's just got some personal baggage to get over. Her behavior since then has made it obvious that Leonard's work in wooing Penny is done. The writers' task in this regard is whether to finesse Penny's commitment problems by a prompt proposal next fall, or to delve into the roots of the problem which are not likely to be funny. I think the busted plumbing scenario described above can solve that by forcing Penny to move in with Leonard temporarily, have her get over that hurdle and be ready to live with him. Otherwise, the writers' will need something REALLY GOOD to explain Penny's commitment problems. Considering that she's spent the vast majority of her adult life involved with Leonard at varying levels of emotional involvement and friendship, she knows Leonard far better than most people know anybody short of marriage. So Leonard's clearly not the problem. As Leonard's insecurity is in his head (and we have good reasons to understand why from meeting Beverly) so is Penny's commitment phobia inside of her's.

[carl1970]

Just remember this everyone, the Leonard/Amy bashing Romantic Shenny's represent a insignificant subatomic percentage of TBBT fan base. They know they are irrelevant. Most Romantic Shenny's  fans aren't like these extremists.

 

Sheldon and Penny won't have an affair while Leonard is gone. Penny loves Leonard and is committed exclusively to him. L/P will be able to communicate with each other during his absence.

[hamerman55]

^Okay I'm a Shamy fan but I'm just butting in to say that I completely agree hamerman55... In-fact, just hearing about Shenny fan-fics... Most of the time the plot centers around Leonard and Amy cheating on their respective gf/bf, and then Shenny finding comfort with each other.They basically want something similar to this replicated on this show. To me, just the whole idea sounds so ridiculous that sometimes I wonder if they even watch the same show as the one I am watching.

I'm a fan of Shamy too. I really like Amy, and Sheldon is very much an integral part of the show I love. He is one of the most important, if not the most important keys to the show. Shamy makes sense, and Amy works as Sheldon's SO. Sheldon is just so extreme, he needs Leonard as his connection to the guys, and Amy as his connection to the girls. Amy and Leonard are the bridges between the nerd and "normal" world. Amy connects Sheldon to "normal" and Leonard connects Penny to nerd. In sense, Penny, Leonard, Amy and Sheldon for a "Star Trek" square, where they were originally a triangle. Spock was pure logic, McCoy pure emotion, Kirk in the middle. Now we have Sheldon as pure logic, Penny as pure emotion, and Amy and Leonard in the middle mixing the two. Clearly, Sheldon and Penny are opposite corners of the square. Shamy shippers and Lenny shippers are on the same side, as the two relationships reinforce and improve each other. Edited May 29, 2013 by hamerman55

[Tensor]

There is now a season seven L/P thread I suggest we keep current discussion here and only use the new thread for season seven specifics, until season seven starts. But, I don't think that can be a hard and fast rule.

[Nogravitasatall]

The Shenny's have really gone too far lately. They have been writing about about Penny cheating with Sheldon while he is away in the dangerous North Sea. I saw this happen, in real life, so many times, while in the military to fellow airman. Having a girl you thought loved leave you for your friend, is something horrible and destroys a persons soul. I have seen people become grief stricken, go AWOL and hurt themselves over it. I find people enjoying those kind of stories offensive and sick. The Shenny's have really gone over the line with this, they a group with nothing but HATE in their hearts.

I guess I can only hope they stay civil and well regulated here. I'm just getting back to reading ff and have been averting my eyes (wearing blinkers I guess). I don't roam widely. But I suppose lack of canon enables latitude. But not anarchy. (Umm, lol?).

[Oldnavy]

The Shenny's have really gone too far lately. They have been writing about about Penny cheating with Sheldon while he is away in the dangerous North Sea. I saw this happen, in real life, so many times, while in the military to fellow airman. Having a girl you thought loved leave you for your friend, is something horrible and destroys a persons soul. I have seen people become grief stricken, go AWOL and hurt themselves over it. I find people enjoying those kind of stories offensive and sick. The Shenny's have really gone over the line with this, they a group with nothing but HATE in their hearts.

SRAM has made a very good points here.  I have also seen real life scenarios like what he has mentioned and I don't care to see it happen in a very good show.  This show is funny and makes me laugh.  They have developed some very interesting storylines with the characters especially the romantic relationship between L/P and S/A.  To tear these relationships apart IMO will destroy a very entertaining show.  

Edited May 29, 2013 by Oldnavy

[Guitars1964]

"Amy connects Sheldon to "normal" and Leonard connects Penny to nerd"  Hamerman55, I agree mostly with your comments in that post, and I surely am no expert on the show, but Amy hasn't struck me as "normal."  I will admit that the writers have humanized her a lot since she first appeared - she is, in my view, the most changed character on the show.  She was almost a robot in those early scenes.  But she doesn't seem normal to me.  Seems unlikely she'd fit in with a bunch of Penny's girlfriends on a night on the town.

[ArmyGirl]

The Shenny's have really gone too far lately. They have been writing about about Penny cheating with Sheldon while he is away in the dangerous North Sea. I saw this happen, in real life, so many times, while in the military to fellow airman. Having a girl you thought loved leave you for your friend, is something horrible and destroys a persons soul. I have seen people become grief stricken, go AWOL and hurt themselves over it. I find people enjoying those kind of stories offensive and sick. The Shenny's have really gone over the line with this, they a group with nothing but HATE in their hearts.

 

SRAM, I have seen it happen too while serving the Army and I don't want to see it play out on TBBT.  It would destroy the character Penny and the show and as much as I don't care for Sheldon that much it would kill his character too.

 

I think what bothers me the most is the vile that is directed toward Leonard for no good reason other than he is supposedly keeping Penny and Sheldon apart.  The so called Shenny don't care that Lenny is cannon or that TPTB said there wasn't a P/S romantic pairing and never would be.  Leonard is always treated so bad by the fanfic writers and I think it's kind of scary that these writers have that kind of hate for a fictional characters. 

 

Also, I don't want to believe that the writers would do something stupid, tho after Penny/Raj anything is possible.  Just hope they don't do anything crazy like have Penny cheat on Leonard. I don't think the show could recover nor could the character Penny, imo.

Edited May 29, 2013 by ArmyGirl

[Oldnavy]

SRAM, I have seen it happen too while serving the Army and I don't want to see it play out on TBBT.  It would destroy the character Penny and the show and as much as I don't care for Sheldon that much it would kill his character too.

 

I think what bothers me the most is the vile that is directed toward Leonard for no good reason other than he is supposedly keeping Penny and Sheldon apart.  The so called Shenny don't care that Lenny is cannon or that TPTB said there wasn't a P/S romantic pairing and never would be.  Leonard is always treated so bad by the fanfic writers and I think it's kind of scary that these writers have that kind of hate for a fictional characters. 

 

Also, I don't want to believe that the writers would do something stupid, tho after Penny/Raj anything is possible.  Just hope they don't do anything crazy like have Penny cheat on Leonard. I don't think the show could recover nor could the character Penny, imo.

I am in full agreement.

[Nicholas]

One thing Penny has been clear about, and was probably part of her dissatisfaction in Leonard and Penny 1.0 is his lack of confidence with regard to their relationship. As of "The 43 Peculiarity" he gets it too. Standard dating rules are that the guy plans most of the dates, and tweaks his choices based on how the girl reacts. As traditionally the guy paid for the dates, this actually makes sense as he could choose things that he could afford and liked. Since Penny is pretty forthright in most cases, it would be easy to be "take charge Leonard" which Penny has clearly stated that she not only liked, but is actively excited by. The first real kiss of Leonard and Penny 2.0 was at the gun range when he expressed confidence and palnned a cool date. The relationship kicked into high gear when Penny put the effort out to observe Leonard in HIS natural environment, where he is clearly a master (you don't work at CalTech unless you are the best). If you are going to see Leonard at his best, it will be in the lab. What has sealed the deal is when Leonard called Penny out for her bad behavior on their Valentine's date. In a way, it was the strongest Leonard ever, since the subtext was that he was so sure Penny would come around, that he can afford to wait for her to realize the truth that they will be married. Basically, he's won Penny, she's just got some personal baggage to get over. Her behavior since then has made it obvious that Leonard's work in wooing Penny is done. The writers' task in this regard is whether to finesse Penny's commitment problems by a prompt proposal next fall, or to delve into the roots of the problem which are not likely to be funny. I think the busted plumbing scenario described above can solve that by forcing Penny to move in with Leonard temporarily, have her get over that hurdle and be ready to live with him. Otherwise, the writers' will need something REALLY GOOD to explain Penny's commitment problems. Considering that she's spent the vast majority of her adult life involved with Leonard at varying levels of emotional involvement and friendship, she knows Leonard far better than most people know anybody short of marriage. So Leonard's clearly not the problem. As Leonard's insecurity is in his head (and we have good reasons to understand why from meeting Beverly) so is Penny's commitment phobia inside of her's.

I'd love the show runners to explore the route of her commitment issues. It's clear her turbulent relationship with the opposite sex played a huge role in her adult development, but maybe one particular situation or event set the cycle in motion. While Penny often makes light of her past exploits (it's a cheap gag for the writers) they often sound, if analysed, unsavoury and scary to the average viewer.

Of course it's a sitcom, we're all here for the laughs but I'm not adverse to a heavy storyline every now again. Nothing too over the top, or out of character but I don't feel they should shy away from exploring the issue if they feel they can do it right. The best sitcoms can make you cry as well as laugh in my opinion.

 

Just to stress I'm not saying, go all in and document her past, but even a touching conversation with Leonard might give both her and her relationship with him even more depth. Let him into her world, share a dark secret that she hasn't told anyone else, reveal a side of herself I think we all know she has but doesn't often show. Season 6 was a huge improvement in this regard, but I'd love to see more.

My favourite moment of the entire show, remains their first kiss in Season 1. Penny comes in to check on Leonard after an encounter with Kurt and breaks down. Upset she had let Kurt hurt her new friend, embarrassed she had ever believed he had changed. Her dialogue suggests it's not the first time she's turned a blind-eye (in hope rather expectation) to a boyfriends indiscretions in the search for love.

It's such a powerful moment that tells us, the audience, she's much more than a pretty girl who lives next door. She's a young, emotionally damaged woman looking for love. It wasn't undermined by some cheap laugh; it was just there, for the viewer to ingest and feel.

The reality is TBBT has slowly evolved into a relationship heavy sitcom. I have no problem with that, at all, but I want to see them push the relationships even further. It's ok undercutting touching moments with laughs on occasion but now the relationships are so integral, maybe its time to cut down on doing it so much?

I'm sure plenty would disagree with me and that's fine but I'll happily shed a few tears if the moments right.

Just wanted to reply before we move onto the other thread.