Ship Zone Leonard And Penny Shippers Thread (Possible Spoilers)

[5Mississippis]

I heard the writers are working on the first season 7 episode and it goes like this: Leonard comes dragging himself home from the North Sea and stops to tell Penny he is home. No one sees Leonard and Penny again for a month and don't know what happened to them until Sheldon one day accidentally gets mail for Penny Hofstadter.

 

If this is true, I'm overjoyed! Where did you hear this, SRAM?

[Tensor]

If this is true, I'm overjoyed! Where did you hear this, SRAM?

I think he's being a bit facetious.

[Nogravitasatall]

Yes, cos we all know they are going to honeymoon in Thailand and visit Far North Queensland, staying on the Great Barrier Reef. Leonard will come back much less pasty.

[hamerman55]

It will be interesting to see if they go with the Leonard as a winner approach or the Leonard "can't catch a break" approach. The latter was the season 3 premiere, and what followed has mostly leading up to the hated "Wheaton Recurrance". I believe they had decided to break them up quickly, so they had no intention of writing a successful relationship. Instead, we got The Sheldon Show. All Leoanrd really needs at this point is for Penny to be the same as she was when he left, miss him as she should, and for the Nroth Sea expedition to go OK. As far as the latter goes, it will takes some time to process the data, so we could get updates throughout the season. On his return, success is that he didn't get terribly sick, got along with the other scientists, and the equipment worked. Unlike Howard, he'll be with other scientists, not astronauts. which tend to be a different breed. It was a little unrealistic for them to send someone like Howard anyway, as NASA has a backlog of astronaut-scientists, while Howard is only the latter.

As for Penny, the only thing likely to change is inside her head, since, as she pointed out, the only way Leonard can mess things up is if he is there. Absence makes the heart grow fonder, and with him away, she will only have her idealized mental image of him to keep her company. The parallel to "Friends" some has suggested is not there, as Ross assumed reasonably that Rachel wasn't interested when he left. Rachel was being dense at not picking up on all the hints he paraded in front of her as to his interest. This is sort of the theme to "Friends" anyway. In TBBT, the guys are not dumb and are actually far more capable of figuring out how to move along in a relationship. Leonard and Penny's issues aren't so much Leonard being dumb, as being handed bad data (inadvertantly) by Penny. Before, if Leonard presented hard questions, Penny bolted,so Leonard was left guessing. His own insecurity supplied the answers. Now, Penny will let him pin her down and answer the hard questions. He now gets good information and develops great solutions. As long as Penny will talk to him, he will do fine.

Edited June 3, 2013 by hamerman55

[rickfromillinois]

When Leonard comes back I think that there is a good chance the there will be an "upgrade" to the Penny and Leonard relationship, but I think that it will also cause some problems.   I think that it will cause Penny to realze how much she misses Leonard when he is gone.  I can see the possibility of her actually asking Leonard to marry her someday, but no specific date.   I have my doubts as to Penny and Leonard actually living together anytime soon simply because there is too much humorous material resulting from Leonard living with Sheldon.   One way around this would be for Penny to move in with Leonard and Sheldon.  I don't think that Sheldon would object very strongly, although he would have some objections, after all, he is Sheldon.   He would be terribly upset if Leonard moved, Penny is already over there almost every day, and he does like Penny.  Also I think it very possible that there will be some conflict between Penny and Leonard because of his trip in the North Sea.  I don't think it will be because of anything that Penny does, but because of what she thinks may have happend with Leonard and some other women while he was gone.   I don't think that he will have cheated on her, but that some women on the trip has obessed on Leonard and followed him back to California.  It would be interesting if Sheldon's assistant has quit and it turns out that it was because she went on the safe trip that Leonard was on.

[SRAM]

Wow that would really be something if Alex was on the boat with Leonard. However I don't see it happening because Leonard would just be uncomfortable and Penny would believe him when he said he did nothing. So unless they made them OOC nothing would happen.

[SRAM]

If this is true, I'm overjoyed! Where did you hear this, SRAM?

Sorry, just being silly and wishful.

[phantagrae]

I think that if they do give Leonard a successful outcome to his expedition, there will be a way to kind of "pop his bubble" because no one character on the show is ever totally successful.

They might get some honor, then blow some aspect of it, or otherwise pay a price for it.

So, maybe his part in the experiments goes well, but he's miserably seasick the whole time (barfing in front of his colleagues or whatever.)

 

It's probable that none of them, Penny included, will ever be super successful or if they do have success, it's always going to be undermined in some way, by their own overweening pride, or by some mistake or by some mishap.

 

I don't imagine that anything really dramatic will change on the homefront, at least not right away or as a result of his trip.  I think they'll mine some comedy out of his being gone and how the others may have to struggle to interact without Leonard as the center of the group, and I think that L&P may have a sweet reunion--or a crappy one, if they can't get any privacy, for example.

 

If there are changes to the Lenny or to Leonard's position at the university, they'll probably come about gradually in order to leave the writers room to explore things.

[eirwinrommel]

I'm getting tired of the writers screwing with L/P. It's getting old. Give them a real relationship, there's plenty of humor to mine there (just look at the last 60+ years of T.V.) It's Shamy's turn if they want to screw with a relationship (if that's what they really have). There's plenty of room for growth and humor (enough to last for the rest of the series).

 

BTW & OT: SRAM are you through screwing Leonard and Penny, it's starting to get a bit long in the tooth. Though I like the addition of Michael and Dawn (I notice no mention that Dawn's an Appeals Court Judge, how was she able to get away at such short notice?)

[Nogravitasatall]

I'm getting tired of the writers screwing with L/P. It's getting old. Give them a real relationship, there's plenty of humor to mine there (just look at the last 60+ years of T.V.) It's Shamy's turn if they want to screw with a relationship (if that's what they really have). There's plenty of room for growth and humor (enough to last for the rest of the series).

 

BTW & OT: SRAM are you through screwing Leonard and Penny, it's starting to get a bit long in the tooth. Though I like the addition of Michael and Dawn (I notice no mention that Dawn's an Appeals Court Judge, how was she able to get away at such short notice?)

i'd like to think he is just screwing WITH them. lol. but i have had palpitations from his work. (lol). its a rollercoaster.

 

OT i think TPTB cant go anywhere near the depths they plumbed in the past - but there will always be a metaphorical stone in Leonard's  shoe. I also hope they dont rush to babies, because they need to enjoy some time as a couple before they become a trio.  But then babies can mix things up, or at least pregnancy can. Thats something that would be right in Leonards face once he gets off the boat, and maybe funny.

 

All speculation is sort of moot, I guess, even though fun.

Edited June 3, 2013 by Nogravitasatall

[Guitars1964]

" I also hope they dont rush to babies, because they need to enjoy some time as a couple before they become a trio."

 

Nogravitasatall,

 

Well, let's remember that they just got Penny to say I love you for, as far as I recall, the first time (the hallway thing was different - it was a bit of an off-handed ILY).   So I think we can safely predict that we have a ways to go before anything else happens for L&P vis a vis, marriage, kids, etc.

[Nogravitasatall]

@guitars1964, I'm working on the principle that if it gets brought up here they won't put in the show. Unless they get all contrarian and mess with the formula like the will Wheaton recurrence and the roommate transmogrification. I'm not serious, just speculating.

Its conceivable - boom tish

and happens any number of times, inadvertently. ALSO very popular in the ffs I've read.

Edited June 4, 2013 by Nogravitasatall

[leonardandalex]

Penny and Leonard having babies sounds like boring TV and not a lot of laughs.

 

I'd love it if Raj becomes a player....since he relates to women so well his new ability to talk to them will allow him to clean up on the circuit (again; makes for funny TV).

 

Break Amy and Sheldon up....let her date Stuart or something.  We all know Sheldon is Asexual, if he's not, why did the writers portrait him that way for years?  In fact, maybe they can remain JUST friends (you have to admit they were funnier that way)

 

In the long run we know L&P are going to end up together (I think?)...put if the show is designed to be on for the long run, break them up.  Change the dynamic.  Again...it's funny and makes for good TV.  Alex is hot too. 

[SRAM]

I'm getting tired of the writers screwing with L/P. It's getting old. Give them a real relationship, there's plenty of humor to mine there (just look at the last 60+ years of T.V.) It's Shamy's turn if they want to screw with a relationship (if that's what they really have). There's plenty of room for growth and humor (enough to last for the rest of the series).

 

BTW & OT: SRAM are you through screwing Leonard and Penny, it's starting to get a bit long in the tooth. Though I like the addition of Michael and Dawn (I notice no mention that Dawn's an Appeals Court Judge, how was she able to get away at such short notice?)

Okay, I completely forgot Dawn was an Appeals Court Judge, but I can slip something in, it's not too late. I messed with Penny a little more than I planned, the auto accident was a last minute thing because I didn't like what I originally wrote, so that part got a little out of hand and I had to adjust the story to compensate. The roller coaster is coming to the end of the ride.

[SRAM]

Penny and Leonard having babies sounds like boring TV and not a lot of laughs.

 

I'd love it if Raj becomes a player....since he relates to women so well his new ability to talk to them will allow him to clean up on the circuit (again; makes for funny TV).

 

Break Amy and Sheldon up....let her date Stuart or something.  We all know Sheldon is Asexual, if he's not, why did the writers portrait him that way for years?  In fact, maybe they can remain JUST friends (you have to admit they were funnier that way)

 

In the long run we know L&P are going to end up together (I think?)...put if the show is designed to be on for the long run, break them up.  Change the dynamic.  Again...it's funny and makes for good TV.  Alex is hot too.

I agree with most of what you said:

No babies for Leonard and Penny until maybe the last half of the last season. It would be funny to have a pregnant Penny the last season.

Raj being a ladies man for a little while would be great. I still would like him to show up with a different girl to takeout dinner nights, at the apartment, with girls that Penny, Bernadette and Amy hate. It would be so funny if Raj brought a girl that flirted with Howard, another engineer who was impressed with Howard's space work.

Amy and Sheldon are difficult, because the Amy character has grown almost beyond Sheldon. I don't know how they are going to keep Sheldon the way he is and still make him a good boyfriend to Amy.

Breaking up Penny and Leonard now would not be funny anymore, the writers need to work around their relationship. They are still opposites so there is still a lot of comedy there.

I am a big fan of Alex, but not for Leonard's girlfriend. I would like to see her in future episodes and I would love to see her participate in a prank, with the guys, against Sheldon, sort of like how they were all involved in the card trick. But I definitely would like her on the show more.

[phantagrae]

Penny and Leonard having babies sounds like boring TV and not a lot of laughs.

 

I'd love it if Raj becomes a player....since he relates to women so well his new ability to talk to them will allow him to clean up on the circuit (again; makes for funny TV).

 

Break Amy and Sheldon up....let her date Stuart or something.  We all know Sheldon is Asexual, if he's not, why did the writers portrait him that way for years?  In fact, maybe they can remain JUST friends (you have to admit they were funnier that way)

 

In the long run we know L&P are going to end up together (I think?)...put if the show is designed to be on for the long run, break them up.  Change the dynamic.  Again...it's funny and makes for good TV.  Alex is hot too. 

 

Judging by your handle, I guess we can tell where you want Leonard to go...

 

But they're never going to break Sheldon and Amy up.  They've already kind of covered that ground and though they might have continued struggles with how to navigate their relationship, they're both more invested in it than ever, especially after the Love Spell episode.  And Sheldon was never portrayed as Asexual.  His sexuality was repressed, but there was never any real evidence that he was truly asexual.

 

And I don't think they're going to break Leonard and Penny up again.  They've been down that path twice already and there's no point (and no reason) to break them up again.  They will always have issues to navigate, as do all the characters, but I think the comedy will come from the two of them continuing to try to reconcile their different perspectives.  And Penny still has the issue of her struggles in her career.  I think that there is a lot of comedy to mine in that arena, along with how her getting a bunch of bit parts or commercials or whatever might affect Leonard or their time together or whatever.

 

I don't think there are going to be any babies on the show unless they show them as some kind of flash forward in the last ep of the series or something like that.

 

As for Alex, I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see her again.  I believe the actress has a role in another show.  At the same time, she could still pop back in if they feel they have a need for her.  But she'll never have a real place as one of the gang.  Her hitting on Leonard was probably the end of her ever hanging out with them or doing anything with any of them other than Sheldon.  And her complaint in the Valentines Day episode that she had hoped to be doing research, not being Sheldon's lackey could be an indicator that she wants to move on.

I don't know that there's much more comedy to mine from that character.  And I don't think she was hotter than Penny, so...

[Spaced_up]

And Sheldon was never portrayed as Asexual.  His sexuality was repressed, but there was never any real evidence that he was truly asexual.

 

I don't know what you mean by evidence. How can there be no evidence? Sheldon has been changed to include the possibility but this an alteration to who he was, this last season. What evidence do you have the Sheldon was sexual prior to S6?

Edited June 4, 2013 by Spaced_up

[Tensor]

Off the top of my head, Zazzy, Spittoon, Pulled Groin. If I looked I'm sur I could find another example or two.

Edited June 4, 2013 by Tensor

[Spaced_up]

Off the top of my head, Zazzy, Spittoon, Pulled Groin. If I looked I'm sur I could find another example or two.

 

Sexual though? I don't see anything sexual in those episodes. Asexuals have affection, they hug and and even kiss.

Edited June 4, 2013 by Spaced_up

[ArmyGirl]

I'm kind of amazed that we have Shennies in our thread.  I guess next we have the bashing of Leonard and name calling, which isn't something I am looking to.

 

I could care less If Sheldon is asexual or not and I don't care if Shamy break up or not.

 

There will be no Leonard and Alex.  Penny is the one that Leonard  loves/wants and the one he is with.

 

As for Raj being a ladies man....... I will never get over Raj and Penny and I hate when they are in scenes alone.  Don't trust Raj and I want to get over the mistrust where Penny is concern.  Writers really did a number on Raj/Penny and the smell is still all over them for this viewer.

 

Finally, breaking up Lenny will do more damage than good and I would question why the writers would go there again.  The writers needs to stop being lazy and write for Lenny in the same manner as they do for Howard and Bernie.

[Spaced_up]

I'm kind of amazed that we have Shennies in our thread.  I guess next we have the bashing of Leonard and name calling, which isn't something I am looking to.

 

 

I'll go and get my S armband.

Edited June 4, 2013 by Spaced_up

[SRAM]

I'm kind of amazed that we have Shennies in our thread.  I guess next we have the bashing of Leonard and name calling, which isn't something I am looking to.

 

I could care less If Sheldon is asexual or not and I don't care if Shamy break up or not.

 

There will be no Leonard and Alex.  Penny is the one that Leonard  loves/wants and the one he is with.

 

As for Raj being a ladies man....... I will never get over Raj and Penny and I hate when they are in scenes alone.  Don't trust Raj and I want to get over the mistrust where Penny is concern.  Writers really did a number on Raj/Penny and the smell is still all over them for this viewer.

 

Finally, breaking up Lenny will do more damage than good and I would question why the writers would go there again.  The writers needs to stop being lazy and write for Lenny in the same manner as they do for Howard and Bernie.

I agree with you about Raj and Penny, I don't like seeing her together with him alone. The problem with them sleeping with each other was that she had just told him she screwed up with Leonard and still cared for him, making it obvious she would have never slept with Raj, so he definitely to advantage of her drunkeness and depression over Leonard. That was not being a friend to either of them.

BTW Shennies are everywhere, they are the dark side of the force.

[Tensor]

Sexual though? I don't see anything sexual in those episodes.

Jealousy over another's relationship, when that jealousy based on the other relationship's sexual overtones (demonstrated in Spittoon and Groin) is hardly the mark of an asexual. If it wasn't sexual, Sheldon would have been upset with Stuart and Leonard from the beginning. It wasn't until Penny pointed out the possibilities in Spittoon and Leonard spoke ambiguously (but very clearly to Sheldon) in Groin that Sheldon became upset.

 

Asexuals have affection, they hug and and even kiss.

The labeling of his other actions, within specific situations, are going to depend on where on the affection orientation spectrum you think he falls and the consistency of those actions within the same situations. But his jealousy over the introduction (or his interpretation of the actions as an introduction of a sexual component), when he was fine with the relationship prior, are not signs of someone who is asexual.

If you would have said prior to season four, I would have agreed with you. But even in Zazzy, why is Sheldon so upset with their breakup, when she isn't interested in Star Trek, Star Wars or Comic Books, to name a few)? At that stage, she wasn't helping take care of Sheldon, and she wasn't spending that great amount of time with him. At that point, Amy was not invested to where she went running out and getting cats. Amy would seem to be more asexual than Sheldon in Zazzy.

[Guitars1964]

ArmyGirl,

 

Agree totally re episode with Raj and Penny.  I can't watch it in re-runs!  And if the writers can't come up with good scripts that do not require L&P to break up again, then it would time for writers to hang it up.

[Spaced_up]

Jealousy over another's relationship, when that jealousy based on the other relationship's sexual overtones (demonstrated in Spittoon and Groin) is hardly the mark of an asexual. If it wasn't sexual, Sheldon would have been upset with Stuart and Leonard from the beginning. It wasn't until Penny pointed out the possibilities in Spittoon and Leonard spoke ambiguously (but very clearly to Sheldon) in Groin that Sheldon became upset.

 

The labeling of his other actions, within specific situations, are going to depend on where on the affection orientation spectrum you think he falls and the consistency of those actions within the same situations. But his jealousy over the introduction (or his interpretation of the actions as an introduction of a sexual component), when he was fine with the relationship prior, are not signs of someone who is asexual.

If you would have said prior to season four, I would have agreed with you. But even in Zazzy, why is Sheldon so upset with their breakup, when she isn't interested in Star Trek, Star Wars or Comic Books, to name a few)? At that stage, she wasn't helping take care of Sheldon, and she wasn't spending that great amount of time with him. At that point, Amy was not invested to where she went running out and getting cats. Amy would seem to be more asexual than Sheldon in Zazzy.

 

I'm sorry but I think we are just splitting hairs, S6? S5? From my point of view, this is a new element to this character. I also don't think jealousy means sexual arousal either. Sheldon's affection for Amy was built on other things and he hated to share the people he cares for. I don't know how far they will take the physical side but for me, there was plenty of evidence to believe that Sheldon had no deal prior to her introduction. Sexual arousal is something they have no yet to write for this character. I just don't think it's necessarily true to say there is no evidence of been asexual. It's a possibility.