Ship Zone Leonard And Penny Shippers Thread (Possible Spoilers)

[Guitars1964]

I was looking to do a video, for Penny and Leonard, but I don't have all the clips I want to use separated out yet, and now that I'm busy with several things, it doesn't look like I'll get to it before the end of the summer.

 

Tensor, yeah, that would be a good choice, esp. given Keith's appearance on the show.

 

Funny, I'd love to post a video or two on Youtube with clips from the show.  I've had a number of songs come to mind that would work well, but I have no idea how to do it from the technical side.  And just thinking about it makes me appreciate some of the creative videos I've seen posted on Youtube.  Done right, it's got to be a fair amount of work.

 

I'll look forward to seeing yours down the road when you can work on it.

[rickfromillinois]

Actually on this subject, i couldn't disagree with you more. She was sad and lonely, and waaay more drunk than Raj, That's why I believe he took advantage of her. Besides Raj took her to his (temporary) room. Penny is the one that is surprised when she wakes up with him by her side, and while Raj knew exactly what had happened, she didn't. Also in my view, Raj has always been a little bit of a douche and looked for his own interests first.

 

Also, after the incident, the only one who  is really remorseful of what happened is her, because she didn't want it to happen in the first place and had only occurred because she was too drunk to know what was going on

From what she has said in other episodes, this is not the first time that she has had too much to drink and then wakes up in someone's bed.   Kind of makes it difficult to have much sympathy for her especially considering the cause of Raj's premature moment of bliss which is a pretty good indicator that Penny was really into the moment. 

[ajond]

From what she has said in other episodes, this is not the first time that she has had too much to drink and then wakes up in someone's bed.   Kind of makes it difficult to have much sympathy for her especially considering the cause of Raj's premature moment of bliss which is a pretty good indicator that Penny was really into the moment. 

 

I'm not sure that drunken fumbling around with a condom is "really into the moment". What I would really like to discover is whether L knows about the sex not happening. Would P have been able to resist telling her girlfriends? If she did, H would not have been able to resist telling L. Or maybe P has kept her promise and not told anyone. TPTB might write a different way of L finding out or they might leave it undisclosed. Intriguing isn't it?

[Nogravitasatall]

I'm voting that they have closed the issue and LP is rock solid, cos after all it was only ever a failed bit of nookie, not a love affair. People drink and some have orgasms. It happens. I think they were a bit adventurous to put it in this sitcom and I laud them for it. But they have changed the show's tone and had a time shift in slot and it probably won't come back. Lol. And I'm out on this till at least July. Lol again

[I.H.S.F.C.]

As for us feeling nervous about Penny and Raj being alone in scenes especially while drinking.... why would we ever have those type of feelings or thoughts. Maybe it's due to Season Four Finale --- if they could do it once they can do it again.  If it is part of canon it can be discuss and worry about when it comes to Leonard, Penny, and Lenny.  We have four months with Leonard away to worry what's going to happen and if Lenny will be a protected couple like Shamy by the writers. Or will things head south again for them.

 

Penny and Raj were both single, consenting adults at the end of season 4.  Penny is in a relationship with Leonard now.  She has never shown a remote inclination to cheat on Leonard.  Acting like every scene with her and Raj alone is a chance for her to sleep with him is just melodramatic.

[ArmyGirl]

Penny and Raj were both single, consenting adults at the end of season 4.  Penny is in a relationship with Leonard now.  She has never shown a remote inclination to cheat on Leonard.  Acting like every scene with her and Raj alone is a chance for her to sleep with him is just melodramatic.

 

You have a right to your opinion and I have a right to mines.  Sad you had to come here and attack my opinion and thanks for posting tho.

[phantagrae]

You have a right to your opinion and I have a right to mines.  Sad you had to come here and attack my opinion and thanks for posting tho.

Nobody attacked your opinion. Disagreeing is not attacking.

[Nogravitasatall]

From what she has said in other episodes, this is not the first time that she has had too much to drink and then wakes up in someone's bed. Kind of makes it difficult to have much sympathy for her especially considering the cause of Raj's premature moment of bliss which is a pretty good indicator that Penny was really into the moment.

I'm back, cos I'm not sure why she needs sympathy. She was an adult doing nothing legally or morally wrong. She was embarrassed is all, (eta) geographically, and maybe that's where sympathy comes in. Now I'm out. Maybe...

Edited June 6, 2013 by Nogravitasatall

[SRAM]

I don't think it is so much that Penny needs sympathy as much as those moments in the show make people cringe, so when they see moments, like in the last episode, when Penny hugs Raj, it just reminds them of those cringe moments. It is sort of like episode 6.02, everybody didn't like how Penny acted in that episode, and even though she was so much better and loving to Leonard the rest of season 6, that second episode still bothers people. I still have problems watching the season 3 break up episode, because the actors nailed it and both characters come off being hurt.

[Guitars1964]

I think it's safe to say that, while certainly everyone is entitled to their own opinion about Raj's and Penny's "indiscretion", a bunch of us just found it more than unpleasant.  The characters themselves may have moved on, but it's still strikes a bad note for some of us.   So, for me and I guess others, it's one episode that I just choose not to watch again.

[Tensor]

Last night on Conan, he had George R R Martin on. He said something that made me think of this. They were speaking of the"game of Thrones" episode that aired this past Sunday. Martin was talking about how he didn't mind killing off characters. He felt it was unrealistic when you see the hero killing forty or so bad guys. You then know, and the next time, you won't feel afraid for the Hero's safety. The L/P breakup, the drunken sex night, and the P/R almost hookup, are examples of that type of realism. There are some that simply don't trust the writers to not go there. Even though the situations are entirely different.

[phantagrae]

So does this mean that Penny isn't allowed to be Raj's friend anymore because of that one moment?  She and Raj sorted out what happened and she made it clear that that was a big mistake on her part and that they were only ever going to be friends.

So, I don't see how that makes every moment that she's alone with him into some kind of cringe-worthy moment.  Like what, all of a sudden their hormones are going to overpower them and they're not going to be able to resist ravishing each other?

 

I think it's clear that there's nothing between them but friendship and that's all that's ever going to be between them.  I think they both learned their lessons that night and from a character perspective, neither of them wants to go there again.  She was comforting him as a friend, not as a sexpot, and he was talking to her as a friend, not as a rapist.

 

But more importantly, the writers have no reason to go there again.  I don't think it has anything to do with realism, but with the essentially feel-good story they're ultimately telling.  I think that L&P have had their darkest moments already and it's now just about how to get Penny up to speed with Leonard so far as their committment (marriage) goes, because that seems to be the next step.

[SRAM]

I really don't think we can bring realism into this topic because then you have to ask too many questions, like why does Sheldon still have a job there or why can't they afford their own places.

And like someone said the show has moved past the Penny & Raj incident, however, why they brought it up again in the season 6 Christmas episode is beyond me. But some of us don't trust the writers (I am guilty) so when we see Raj and Penny together, alone and upset, we remember the scene of them together in bed and silently think, please don't go there.

[phantagrae]

I really don't think we can bring realism into this topic because then you have to ask too many questions, like why does Sheldon still have a job there or why can't they afford their own places.

And like someone said the show has moved past the Penny & Raj incident, however, why they brought it up again in the season 6 Christmas episode is beyond me. But some of us don't trust the writers (I am guilty) so when we see Raj and Penny together, alone and upset, we remember the scene of them together in bed and silently think, please don't go there.

 

I think that bringing it up in the Santa episode was essentially putting it to rest.  It was mentioned in the same way that his past crush on Bernie was mentioned--something in the past that he can now see as something that's over with.

[hamerman55]

The dynamic with Leonard and Penny essentially reversing male-female role still exists, and is to some extent what we are discussing. Leonard is ready to commit and get married. Penny is not there yet. Usually in sit-coms, the guy drags his feet while the girl is trying to get a commitment.

He is still a serious nerd, she's still an actress. Although she shares some of his enthusiasms, the plot with him trying to get her excited about Buffy is consistent. She's more of a people person as her passion is people, not things. She got into D&D more so she could be with Leonard and her friends, not because she thought D&D was cool. The guys bind to each other through shared activities, she gets involved to be with them.

Leonard is going to keep trying to get her interested in these things to share them with her. Penny will go along because his passion and enthusiasm is part of what she loves about him, as when she went to his lab.

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[Nogravitasatall]

Last night on Conan, he had George R R Martin on. He said something that made me think of this. They were speaking of the"game of Thrones" episode that aired this past Sunday. Martin was talking about how he didn't mind killing off characters. He felt it was unrealistic when you see the hero killing forty or so bad guys. You then know, and the next time, you won't feel afraid for the Hero's safety. The L/P breakup, the drunken sex night, and the P/R almost hookup, are examples of that type of realism. There are some that simply don't trust the writers to not go there. Even though the situations are entirely different.

This is what I try to suggest when I talk about how these incidents have driven engagement. They are devices to make one care more, because the stakes are perceived to be higher. It's also fair enought to avoid revisiting episodes if they are not fun to watch. I zip past some stories often (lol). What challenges me is when analyses of the show overlook that these incidents are devices and attribute values or consequences to them that TO ME make no sense, given that the characters are located in a non-theocratic state where individuals are entitled to perform legal acts.

When I see these devices in play I try to recognise them for what they are, experience them perhaps as they are intended and attempt to place them in the context of the story being told. I also hope that the writers play to a different purpose than Mr Martin. In this genre they are trying to be funny, and they want a long run, with the same cast and characters. That's hard. So they role out these devices. Hopefully they have a good sized bag with a variety of these tricks. Which comes back to the point about expectations of the next trick they play. If they are any good, and the show is genuinely worth devotion, they will roll out new tricks, so that we don't go "crap, they're doing it again". There is a fatigue factor, which I believe sets in on the third repetition of a gag or trick.

I don't know if this show can also be looked at as being a story told in three acts. It does makes some sense to me that perhaps we have just finished the second act. If these folks are any good they should be able to avoid repeating the stories already told and give us a good third act, hopefully at least three, maybe four seasons long. So there is a reasonable expectation for no more stabbings in the heart.

Edited June 6, 2013 by Nogravitasatall

[SRAM]

The dynamic with Leonard and Penny essentially reversing male-female role still exists, and is to some extent what we are discussing. Leonard is ready to commit and get married. Penny is not there yet. Usually in sit-coms, the guy drags his feet while the girl is trying to get a commitment. He is still a serious nerd, she's still an actress. Although she shares some of his enthusiasms, the plot with him trying to get her excited about Buffy is consistent. She's more of a people person as her passion is people, not things. She got into D&D more so she could be with Leonard and her friends, not because she thought D&D was cool. The guys bind to each other through shared activities, she gets involved to be with them.Leonard is going to keep trying to get her interested in these things to share them with her. Penny will go along because his passion and enthusiasm is part of what she loves about him, as when she went to his lab. Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2

Yeah, I agree, she gets involved in some of their stuff just because she likes being around them, especially Leonard, things she would never be interested on her own. One of the problems, like they pointed out this season, is that Penny has few passions, except for the people around her, so poor Leonard has trouble doing things that she is really into. It is funny that Valentines Day doesn't really get her excited, but going to the gun range does, very Tomboy-ish. It would make an interesting episode if Leonard took her on some different dates to really find out what she really likes. They wouldn't really have to show the dates, they could just talk about the aftermath. Like they could come up the stairs with Leonard sore from horseback riding all day or since Penny got Leonard motorcycle lessons, they could rent scooters for the day by themselves or ride with Howard and Bernadette. It would allow Leonard to do some stuff out of his comfort zone for Penny and that would bring them even closer.

[Guitars1964]

I think having Penny reluctantly agree to go to Comic Con in costume with Leonard would be a good source of comedy.  She obviously would only be doing it to be with her boyfriend and would be rolling her eyes at the whole thing.  There should be no shortage of good comedic situations ahead.  And stuff like going to the gun range (Leonard's idea but not his "thing") created good comedy.

 

So, hopefully, the writers will head down that comedy road rather than using a Leonard-Penny break-up or Penny reverting to some old habits during L's absence.  I think a lot of us are, justifiably or not, a little, dare I say, gun-shy about exactly what the writers might do.  

 

Funny - just watched a fairly recent interview online with Kaley and Johnny about how much they like the direction that Season 6 took and the good place that Penny and Leonard are in.  But with that said, especially Johnny is worried about even saying that, understanding that the writers could take the story line somewhere else in Season 7 (almost as if saying that Penny and Leonard are in a solid relationship finally and for good will jinx that relationship).  Maybe we aren't the only ones who worry a little about what the writers might do.

[Tensor]

Just before the comment I mentioned above Conan said to Martin "you have a way of getting people involved and care about characters. And then you kill them.............you sick bastard."' While that was said in a joking matter. I mention it because those moments that some people avoid were the writers "killing" the character in a different way, and making the fans feel like the writers are sick bastards. However, those moments give a valid reason to keep Penny and Leonard apart. Don't get me wrong, I wasn't fond of those moments, but they are each the result of specific situations, unlikely to be repeated.

The one really good thing for Lenny fans was the comment from Steve Molaro, who said in a recent interview that he has a personal connection to the Leonard-Penny pairing. Which means I feel comfortable that there won't be anything bad happening to them. While Molaro's in charge.

[Nogravitasatall]

Just before the comment I mentioned above Conan said to Martin "you have a way of getting people involved and care about characters. And then you kill them.............you sick bastard."' While that was said in a joking matter. I mention it because those moments that some people avoid were the writers "killing" the character in a different way, and making the fans feel like the writers are sick bastards. However, those moments give a valid reason to keep Penny and Leonard apart. Don't get me wrong, I wasn't fond of those moments, but they are each the result of specific situations, unlikely to be repeated.

The one really good thing for Lenny fans was the comment from Steve Molaro, who said in a recent interview that he has a personal connection to the Leonard-Penny pairing. Which means I feel comfortable that there won't be anything bad happening to them. While Molaro's in charge.

I wouldn't say nothing bad, just nothing that splits them yet again. But you probably made that point. I just wanted to underline it. That then leads to a new problem: speculation of what fresh hell or fire they might be dropped in together. They have certainly killed lack of communication between the two as a problem. After VD and the Bon Voyage we know they talk through their relationship issues. So it will be something external that will be a wedge between them. And funny.

I'm comfortable thinking they will be challenged. Just not put to the sword.

[Nogravitasatall]

I really don't think we can bring realism into this topic because then you have to ask too many questions, like why does Sheldon still have a job there or why can't they afford their own places.

And like someone said the show has moved past the Penny & Raj incident, however, why they brought it up again in the season 6 Christmas episode is beyond me. But some of us don't trust the writers (I am guilty) so when we see Raj and Penny together, alone and upset, we remember the scene of them together in bed and silently think, please don't go there.

And that's the device in play, working in your head, keeping you engaged. It's a well set hook.

[Oldnavy]

This is what I try to suggest when I talk about how these incidents have driven engagement. They are devices to make one care more, because the stakes are perceived to be higher. It's also fair enought to avoid revisiting episodes if they are not fun to watch. I zip past some stories often (lol). What challenges me is when analyses of the show overlook that these incidents are devices and attribute values or consequences to them that TO ME make no sense, given that the characters are located in a non-theocratic state where individuals are entitled to perform legal acts.

When I see these devices in play I try to recognise them for what they are, experience them perhaps as they are intended and attempt to place them in the context of the story being told. I also hope that the writers play to a different purpose than Mr Martin. In this genre they are trying to be funny, and they want a long run, with the same cast and characters. That's hard. So they role out these devices. Hopefully they have a good sized bag with a variety of these tricks. Which comes back to the point abou

t expectations of the next trick they play. If they are any good, and the show is genuinely worth devotion, they will roll out new tricks, so that we don't go "crap, they're doing it again". There is a fatigue factor, which I believe sets in on the third repetition of a gag or trick.

I don't know if this show can also be looked at as being a story told in three acts. It does makes some sense to me that perhaps we have just finished the second act. If these folks are any good they should be able to avoid repeating the stories already told and give us a good third act, hopefully at least three, maybe four seasons long. So there is a reasonable expectation for no more stabbings in the heart.

I think you are right about there seems to be a story that`s being told. I picked up on that with the

first episode. It was centered on L/P. Sheldon was a part but the focus was on L/P. The Pilot ends with Leonard saying there babies will be smart & beautiful. There relationship has been a major part if not the central story ever since. So,I agree that it sems like this is a story being played ot.

Edited June 6, 2013 by Oldnavy

[Nogravitasatall]

I think having Penny reluctantly agree to go to Comic Con in costume with Leonard would be a good source of comedy.  She obviously would only be doing it to be with her boyfriend and would be rolling her eyes at the whole thing.  There should be no shortage of good comedic situations ahead.  And stuff like going to the gun range (Leonard's idea but not his "thing") created good comedy.

 

Given the costume opportunities I'd say they'd have to up for something like this. There is stuff to mine/create that doesn't need them go for a MAD outcome.

[hamerman55]

I think having Penny reluctantly agree to go to Comic Con in costume with Leonard would be a good source of comedy. She obviously would only be doing it to be with her boyfriend and would be rolling her eyes at the whole thing. There should be no shortage of good comedic situations ahead. And stuff like going to the gun range (Leonard's idea but not his "thing") created good comedy.

Given the costume opportunities I'd say they'd have to up for something like this. There is stuff to mine/create that doesn't need them go for a MAD outcome.

Penny has been persuaded by the others to dress in cosplay twice that I recall - the recent trip by the girls to Disneyland, and "The Justice League Recombination". She will do it, but it is not her thing. I wonder how her actress aspirations informs this. Maybe if she got a part in a super hero movie, she'd be a lot more into it. I've heard Marvel and Scarlett Johansen are not seeing eye to eye about Black Widow. Tha would be a dream of Leonard's, to have his girlfriend actually play a Marvel character. Or Psylocke?

They have shown over the years the willingness to try things the other liked. Leonard teaching Penny to play chess, or Leonard trying to learn about sports. The humor in many of these instances is that Penny often does well at them, while Leonard frequently doesn't. Sports make no sense to him, and he really does suck at chess. I don't recall a scene where either Penny or Sheldon wasn't beating him. Leonard went to a host of Jennifer Aniston movies. I think the difference now is the motivation, or the statement of motivation. I really don't think did things Penny liked and he didn't simply to ensure sex. He really wanted to be with her, and get sex. He was doing what he thought he needed to so as to keep her as his girlfriend. He's just learned that he needs to be himself and express his interests too, instead of sublimating them. Penny has learned to open herself up to Leonard emotionally. Penny will do things with him that she is not all that interested in (physics lectures, for example) just to be with him. There is a lot of fun to be had in showing more of that, but the writers' problem is that this would be a couple's activity.

From what little we've seen, they still sleep in each other's apartment, although they may favor Penny's. As @tensor and I have speculated, there could be an inadvertant stealth living with situation, but what might be really funny is that if both rooms showed evidence of a stealth move. Penny's room could get filled up with Leonard's stuff, and Leonard's room could start to acquire some of Penny's.

Edited June 7, 2013 by hamerman55

[SRAM]

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Penny has been persuaded by the others to dress in cosplay twice that I recall - the recent trip by the girls to Disneyland, and "The Justice League Recombination". She will do it, but it is not her thing. I wonder how her actress aspirations informs this. Maybe if she got a part in a super hero movie, she'd be a lot more into it. I've heard Marvel and Scarlett Johansen are not seeing eye to eye about Black Widow. Tha would be a dream of Leonard's, to have his girlfriend actually play a Marvel character. Or Psylocke?

They have shown over the years the willingness to try things the other liked. Leonard teaching Penny to play chess, or Leonard trying to learn about sports. The humor in many of these instances is that Penny often does well at them, while Leonard frequently doesn't. Sports make no sense to him, and he really does suck at chess. I don't recall a scene where either Penny or Sheldon wasn't beating him. Leonard went to a host of Jennifer Aniston movies. I think the difference now is the motivation, or the statement of motivation. I really don't think did things Penny liked and he didn't simply to ensure sex. He really wanted to be with her, and get sex. He was doing what he thought he needed to so as to keep her as his girlfriend. He's just learned that he needs to be himself and express his interests too, instead of sublimating them. Penny has learned to open herself up to Leonard emotionally. Penny will do things with him that she is not all that interested in (physics lectures, for example) just to be with him. There is a lot of fun to be had in showing more of that, but the writers' problem is that this would be a couple's activity.

From what little we've seen, they still sleep in each other's apartment, although they may favor Penny's. As @tensor and I have speculated, there could be an inadvertant stealth living with situation, but what might be really funny is that if both rooms showed evidence of a stealth move. Penny's room could get filled up with Leonard's stuff, and Leonard's room could start to acquire some of Penny's.

There is so much they could do as a couple, it could be so funny if they both tried to get into stuff the other one liked, like Leonard going out dancing and Penny dressing up in a Star Trek uniform. That there is two episodes already and they practically write themselves there would be so many laughs in them.

I do also like Tensor's idea of the stealth move, but it has to come with a realization from them that they are living together, just that they are doing it in both apartments.