Ship Zone Leonard And Penny Shippers Thread (Possible Spoilers)

[Nogravitasatall]

There's an ff with a lovely and plausible twist on Penny's accommodation during Leonard's absence with an added benefit of feeding two ships at once. I don't want to give it away but it has legs.

Eta. I like it so much, because it puts intent where it should, alongside of consent. So it's a purposeful act, rather than an accident or misdirection. And is completely aligned with what was shown at the airport. I soooooo want it to be made.

So good an idea. But I want Tptb to own it. Arrggghh. It would be so good. Works for everything s7 I think.

Eta did I say it was good. Well, I liked it.

Edited June 7, 2013 by Nogravitasatall

[SRAM]

There's an ff with a lovely and plausible twist on Penny's accommodation during Leonard's absence with an added benefit of feeding two ships at once. I don't want to give it away but it has legs.

Eta. I like it so much, because it puts intent where it should, alongside of consent. So it's a purposeful act, rather than an accident or misdirection. And is completely aligned with what was shown at the airport. I soooooo want it to be made.

So good an idea. But I want Tptb to own it. Arrggghh. It would be so good. Works for everything s7 I think.

Eta did I say it was good. Well, I liked it.

Are you taking about one of the Shenny stories????

[Nogravitasatall]

No. Is LP. But would mess with Shenny a bit.

ETA. I say that in the spirit of fanly camaraderie

Edited June 8, 2013 by Nogravitasatall

[SRAM]

No. Is LP. But would mess with Shenny a bit.

ETA. I say that in the spirit of fanly camaraderie

I always thought it would be a nice scene if Leonard came back early, but really late, so he decided to see Penny in the morning, and went straight to his apartment and when he goes in his room, he finds her sleeping in his bed.

[Tensor]

I always thought it would be a nice scene if Leonard came back early, but really late, so he decided to see Penny in the morning, and went straight to his apartment and when he goes in his room, he finds her sleeping in his bed.

Or nothing in his room, 'cause it's all at Penny's.

[rickfromillinois]

I'm not sure that drunken fumbling around with a condom is "really into the moment". What I would really like to discover is whether L knows about the sex not happening. Would P have been able to resist telling her girlfriends? If she did, H would not have been able to resist telling L. Or maybe P has kept her promise and not told anyone. TPTB might write a different way of L finding out or they might leave it undisclosed. Intriguing isn't it?

I think that she was the one who was putting the condom on Raj is a fairly good indicator that she was indeed "into the moment".

[rickfromillinois]

I always thought it would be a nice scene if Leonard came back early, but really late, so he decided to see Penny in the morning, and went straight to his apartment and when he goes in his room, he finds her sleeping in his bed.

Would Raj be there too?

[Tensor]

Would Raj be there too?

Why would be be there? Penny has said i love you and committed to Leonard. Which means she doesn't consider herself single. Leonard is now dating Penny, not anyone else. The situations are completely different.

[Guitars1964]

Why would be be there? Penny has said i love you and committed to Leonard. Which means she doesn't consider herself single. Leonard is now dating Penny, not anyone else. The situations are completely different.

 

 

I think someone might be trying to tease those of us (me) who have an expressed aversion to that Raj-Penny scene! :>)

[Nogravitasatall]

I'm liking a scenario where Penny asserts herself, crowds out Sheldon, and Sheldon finds himself pushed more over to Amy's house. I'm a little bit indifferent to where Raj ends up, but I hope it gets funnier. It occurred to me that Penny was so good at not committing, what if she throws that switch the other way? But only for comic, not tragic effect. Not clinging, but full on out for Leonard. Sheldon gets steam-rollered. I'd laugh.

Eta. Just a bit of over-enthusiasm. Going Nebraska, in a good , but just a little over-compensating way, on obstacles.

Edited June 8, 2013 by Nogravitasatall

[rickfromillinois]

A few drinks and then any port in the storm....sorry, just joking.  I seriously doubt if the writers would be crazy enough to have Raj and Penny ever do something liket hat again.   I do see somekind of a major step forward in the Penny and Leonard relationship when Leonard returns.   I don't think that it would be something as major as them getting married, but possibly engaged without setting a date, or them living together.   If they should move in together, I wouldn't be surprised that it ends up being Penny moving into Leonard and Sheldon's apartment if for no other reason then it could lead to more comedic situations.

Edited June 8, 2013 by rickfromillinois

[SRAM]

A few drinks and then any port in the storm....sorry, just joking.  I seriously doubt if the writers would be crazy enough to have Raj and Penny ever do something liket hat again.   I do see somekind of a major step forward in the Penny and Leonard relationship when Leonard returns.   I don't think that it would be something as major as them getting married, but possibly engaged without setting a date, or them living together.   If they should move in together, I wouldn't be surprised that it ends up being Penny moving into Leonard and Sheldon's apartment if for no other reason then it could lead to more comedic situations.

I know, how can Penny moving in with Leonard, not be funny. Sheldon having to deal with her would be super funny.

[Nogravitasatall]

I think that she was the one who was putting the condom on Raj is a fairly good indicator that she was indeed "into the moment".

Good to know she paid attention in class and the sex-ed lesson got sheeted well home. Yay for responsible behaviour while drunk. Lol.

Edited June 8, 2013 by Nogravitasatall

[hamerman55]

@nogravitasatall, is the fan fic you mentioned "The Departure Transformation"?

[hamerman55]

I've decided I'm sort of over the Raj and Penny thing, as a result of things folks have pointed out here. They were both drunk, lonely and unhappy people that attempted to have sex in order to not feel lonely and unhappy. Sober, it is unlikely they would do this, and there was no real calculation in it. It is a testament to how unhappy both of them were at the time, particularly Penny. Raj staying in Leonard's room was the ultimate confirmation at the time that Penny had no shot at getting Leonard back. And who could blame Raj for having a chance at Penny. He certainly thought they were in love, so he had pretty honest intentions, in retrospect. If he had gloated that he'd nailed Leonard's ex to get even, then it would have been a different story, but even the guys just thought he was stupid for thinking that. 

[hamerman55]

I'm liking a scenario where Penny asserts herself, crowds out Sheldon, and Sheldon finds himself pushed more over to Amy's house. I'm a little bit indifferent to where Raj ends up, but I hope it gets funnier. It occurred to me that Penny was so good at not committing, what if she throws that switch the other way? But only for comic, not tragic effect. Not clinging, but full on out for Leonard. Sheldon gets steam-rollered. I'd laugh.

Eta. Just a bit of over-enthusiasm. Going Nebraska, in a good , but just a little over-compensating way, on obstacles.

I like this very much. She has no problem standing up to Sheldon, as we saw in "The Panty Pinata". Sheldon had a hard enough time with Priya lawyering him about the Roommate Agreement. Penny just won't give a damn. I suspect once Penny gives in and commits, she'll be just as you suggest. She'll be all in.

[ArmyGirl]

A few drinks and then any port in the storm....sorry, just joking.  I seriously doubt if the writers would be crazy enough to have Raj and Penny ever do something liket hat again.   I do see somekind of a major step forward in the Penny and Leonard relationship when Leonard returns.   I don't think that it would be something as major as them getting married, but possibly engaged without setting a date, or them living together.   If they should move in together, I wouldn't be surprised that it ends up being Penny moving into Leonard and Sheldon's apartment if for no other reason then it could lead to more comedic situations.

 

 

Well if they do decide to go that way, I hope Lenny won't be used for fodder again like in Season 3.  It was all about how Sheldon felt , what Sheldon needed, and Sheldon this, and Sheldon that.  I love to laugh out loud like the next person but I want to be able to enjoy Lenny too.

[SRAM]

Well if they do decide to go that way, I hope Lenny won't be used for fodder again like in Season 3.  It was all about how Sheldon felt , what Sheldon needed, and Sheldon this, and Sheldon that.  I love to laugh out loud like the next person but I want to be able to enjoy Lenny too.

 

I don't think they will change the formula for the Sheldon show in the near future, unless the lesson learned from Season 6 is that more Lenny helps the ratings, which I think could be concluded based on how much Lenny moved ahead this past season.  I think the tone on what they plane to do, will be shown on how Leonard's return is handled.  If it results in a Lenny milestone and they make a serious move forward, then I think relationships will be a bit part of Season 7, but if nothing really happens, and Sheldon is given so much attention, as he was in the departure, then it will remain the Sheldon show.

[hamerman55]

Well if they do decide to go that way, I hope Lenny won't be used for fodder again like in Season 3. It was all about how Sheldon felt , what Sheldon needed, and Sheldon this, and Sheldon that. I love to laugh out loud like the next person but I want to be able to enjoy Lenny too.

The third season was not one of my favorites for just this reason. Leonard's complaint in the very first episode sort of summed up the season "I just can't catch a break." The whole show was building to Penny grabbing Leonard at the door to her apartment, and what is the episode about? Sheldon being a tool, and how his toolishness made him run home to mommy. Now I enjoy Sheldon a lot. He's a unique character, but the show is better when it is told from Leonard's point of view. The flaw in the recent season ender had the problem of focusing too much on Sheldon, without really answering any questions, or properly raising them. Is Sheldon really jealous of Leonard going to the North Sea, or just that good things are happening to him professionally? Everyone seems to think Sheldon is worried about being alone, but he doesn't seem to.

One thing I did like in the latter part of the season is that Leonard and Penny are together a lot, and clearly appear to be a couple. This didn't happen in Leonard and Penny 2.0. What made me think of this is when they went to check on Sheldon and Amy during the D&D episode. Leonard and Penny went to check on them, and there was something about their body language and movement that made them appear to be not just two people checking on their friends, but a couple checking on them. Maybe I'm projecting my opinion, but it just seemed that way to me.

Edited June 9, 2013 by hamerman55

[SRAM]

The third season was not one of my favorites for just this reason. Leonard's complaint n the very first episode sor of summed up the season "I just can't catch a break." The whole show was building to Penny grabbing Leonard at the door to her apartment, and what is the episode about? Sheldon being a tool, and how his toolishness made him run home to mommy. Now I enjoy Sheldon a lot. He's a unique character, but the show is better when it is told from Leonard's point of view. The flaw in the recent season ender had the problem of focusing too much on Sheldon, without really answering any questions, or properly raising them. Is Sheldon really jealous of Leonard going to the North Sea, or just that good things are happening to him professionally? Everyone seems to think Sheldon is worried about being alone, but he doesn't seem to.

One thing I did like in the latter part of the season is that Leonard and Penny are together a lot, and clearly appear to be a couple. This didn't happen in Leonard and Penny 2.0. What made me think of this is when they went to check on Sheldon and Amy during the D&D episode. Leonard and Penny went to check on them, and there was something about their body language and movement that made them appear to be not just two people checking on their friends, but a couple checking on them. Maybe I'm projecting my opinion, but it just seemed that way to me.

 

I saw that too, the end of season 6 had them together like a mature couple, really a little better than season 3, where they acted more like kids.  Again, I'm thinking Leonard's return episode will be important on what the writers are thinking, either they are going to move them along or stall them, and if they stall them, I think we will have to worry about something bad happening to them or a breakup.

[Nogravitasatall]

I'll flip someone's Honda if they break up again. It might be the postie's CT110, but I'll flip it, so help me Cow! Lol.

Edited June 9, 2013 by Nogravitasatall

[hamerman55]

The last two episodes of this season are a nice contrast of how to properly use Sheldon. In "The Bon Voyage Reaction" Sheldon is functionally Penny and Leonard's unruly child. Throughout the episode, Sheldon was constantly trying to put the focus back on himself. He could not allow it to be about Leonard. Even his speech at the party was about him showing up Penny. There was no genuine sentiment there. At no point did he display any connection to the group, or to Leonard. He appeared quite separate. "The Closet Reconfiguration" was like that too. In earlier seasons, Sheldon's separateness and demand for attention was there, but not to the point where everyone in the group looked at him like he was an idiot.

Contrast that with "The Love Spell Potential". He talked a lot, but he was part of the group. He was quite taken with Howard's ability to serve as dungeon master. He was very kind to Amy, sensitive to her distress, and in general, connected to her. He was likeable.

There has also been a marked change in his behavior toward Leonard in the latter part of the season, most notably in "The Tenure Turbulence", "The Love Spell Potential" and "The Bon Voyage Reaction". Up to and during the Bakerfield episode, Sheldon regarded Leonard as the "Captain" of their little group. Now he's "the un-named crewman in the red shirt". He was quite insulting to Leonard regarding Howard's performance as dungeon master. He used schoolyard bully analogies which cuts deep in these guys. Even Howard looked at Sheldon like he was a jerk. The idea that Leonard was equally qualified for tenure was extraordinarily stupid to Sheldon (not just that his brain would explode from the one bomb in Leonard's head, but that there were many stressing just how stupid Sheldon thought the idea was). To Sheldon, Leonard's job is to "cater to his every whim". He's not at all appreciative of Leonard, but quite the opposite. I got the sense that what was going through Sheldon's mind in "The Bon Voyage Reaction" was "no, no no, it cannot be about Leonard. It MUST be about me. It is wrong for good things to happen to Leonard. I deserve these good things". And so on. Leonard's going to have a lot of time to think about his life while on the boat away from Sheldon and Penny. Sheldon used to be merely condescending. Now he's insulting. Leonard's going to be thinking "hmm, move back in with Sheldon and put up with him disparaging this fantastic opportunity that I just had, insulting me at every turn now and keep waiting on this jerk, or move in with Penny, who loves me." Leonard promised Penny not to propose to her again. Discussions of cohabitation were not part of that promise. As Leonard's self-confidence continues to increase, he's not going to put up with Sheldon's worsening attitude much longer. Four months away from Sheldon with world class experimental physicists who should respect his abilities, likely punctuated with messages from home as to what a pain Sheldon really is reinforces the story arc leading to Sheldon and Leonard no longer living together. The only way for them to still live together is if Penny moves in, through one of the many suggested stories recently posted (accidental stealth move, broken plumbing in Penny's apartment, Penny simply moving Leonard's stuff into her place while he's gone).

Narratively, it would be easier to break Shamy or Howadette at this point. That is not to say that Leonard and Penny won't have issues, but where they are in their relationship is for things to get stronger. And I'm not suggesting the other relationships are in trouble. Once Howard and Bernadette started talking through their problems, their relationship led quickly to the altar. Penny and Leonard now talk things out in even more detail and depth. Sheldon and Amy have started talking a little. In retrospect, when Penny dumped Leonard in the third season, their relationship wasn't all that great and it wasn't such a shock. Damn unpleasant, and it destroyed my vicarious enjoyment of a nerd being with a girl as hot as Penny, but the relationship was awkward and out of balance. That is not the case now. Howard and Bernie have real problems underlying the relationship, that couples do have difficulty handling. Money has already reared its head, and babies is another big one. Bernie seems to be softening with the latter, but where they left the money situation was actually quite demeaning for Howard.

Serious turmoil in Leonard and Penny 2.0 will require something really awful and out of the blue. This is simply not in keeping with the nature of the show. Moving Penny into the big apartment would be really funny, as it would shift the power balance in Leonard's favor, and drive Sheldon toward Amy.

[Nogravitasatall]

Vicarious. Do i hear an affirmation!

Yeah, I used be agin' the bunking together, but if Penny is not forced or coerced and chooses then I'm on board and haulin' a. Could be funny as.

[ArmyGirl]

I don't think they will change the formula for the Sheldon show in the near future, unless the lesson learned from Season 6 is that more Lenny helps the ratings, which I think could be concluded based on how much Lenny moved ahead this past season.  I think the tone on what they plane to do, will be shown on how Leonard's return is handled.  If it results in a Lenny milestone and they make a serious move forward, then I think relationships will be a bit part of Season 7, but if nothing really happens, and Sheldon is given so much attention, as he was in the departure, then it will remain the Sheldon show.

 

I agree we will know how Season Seven will be just by Leonard's return and I hope it's nothing like Season Three Premiere--- or anything like Season Six Finale.  As I posted in the S7 Finale Thread --- once again it's about Sheldon and him not being the focus of attention. I hate to say it the writers gave Howard a better send off for his trip and Sheldon showed more respect for Howard.  Leonard was the one to receive the job opportunity and what happen he is thrown into the background once again.

 

I want to believe the writers are going to give us a decent homecoming in Season Seven but history shows us it's not really in the cards. Maybe the will surprise me and everyone else.

Edited June 9, 2013 by ArmyGirl

[BangerMain]

Last night on Conan, he had George R R Martin on. He said something that made me think of this. They were speaking of the"game of Thrones" episode that aired this past Sunday. Martin was talking about how he didn't mind killing off characters. He felt it was unrealistic when you see the hero killing forty or so bad guys. You then know, and the next time, you won't feel afraid for the Hero's safety. The L/P breakup, the drunken sex night, and the P/R almost hookup, are examples of that type of realism. There are some that simply don't trust the writers to not go there. Even though the situations are entirely different.

 

Good point.

 

From what we have gleaned over the years, all those Penny as wild card episodes were ordered by Chuck Lorre to shake things up in the L/P story line. Steve Molaro, the chief Lenny, apparently likes to keep Leonard and Penny stress free, as we saw this season when he took over running the show. Lorre has joked that Steve is too protective of the characters, especially L/P. I personally love Molaro's approach. I think it works because of the uniquely "no shields" characters on this show, but there was some wide criticism that the season finale was too uneventful.

 

Some viewers seem to like uncertainty and drama in their sitcoms.