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Good job Kiru Breezy!  You touched on everything good!

 

Off the shamy subject, I also really liked part where leonard made sheldon go to work, and realized that he was able to tell sheldon what to do... I loved it.  The relationship between sheldon and leonard is progressing too.

 

Oh...I totally crack!ship Shelnard. Love their bromance!

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Ok. So after having watched the episode 3 times and borrowed Leonard’s inhaler, I am ready to express my opinions on this wonderful episode. It’s gonna be a long post,sorry!! :)


1) Kripke scenes: a) I absolutely love them!! When they exchange their works , the way Sheldon closes the drawer with his tight..precious!!  Later, when he decides to play along and blame his sex life. Just perfect…B) the why he busies himself with those journals, and rotates his eyes and moves his lips, and every now and then looks up at Kripke  like saying, “Am I being believable here? Am I making sense? Because I have no idea what I am talking about!!” c)  And at the end, “Toys???” Like saying, ‘what the hell have my toys to do with this?’

 

2)  Amy’s scene:  a) At the beginning, when he tries to shut himself off saying that everything is ok….it really hurts  B) How Amy then gets really concerned and when she asks if can offer him a comforting hug, seems like scared he will refuse, hopeful that he will accept….just great. So much respect and caring there!! C) Then, the way she hugs him…it is a weird way…but here is the thing, not only- as we already know- Amy too doesn’t know that well how to express physical affection, but the chances she gets to actually touch Sheldon are so few and far b/w that when she does get to hug him, she tries to express all her affection in those seconds. She is like, "I don’t have much time, I need to concentrate all my feeling in this short hug, I’ m gonna hold you as tightly as I can, so that you get how much I care and that in my mind I can hold you forever!!"
D) When she stops, the way Sheldon looks at her right before saying, “why did you stop”. With that looks he actually says, “why did you leave me? You aren’t supposed to leave me!! Come back!!” And then put his hand on her arm, wow…..just….the

entire scene was so touching and meaningful....


3) Penny scene:   You know, everyone has things they cannot talk about that easily… For Sheldon sex and romantic feelings are one of those things, nonetheless, here he is, answering Penny’ s question with such a calm and honesty…..
“That’s awfully personal” It’ s true, for him  it is, but he actually keeps his calm and explains what the deal his….it really wasn’t an easy thing to do, but it did, deserving all my respect. He was brave, really brave!!
Also, before has been asked why he started by saying, “First of all, I’ m very fond of Amy” I think, this affirmation was the direct answer to Penny’s and Leonard’s “ what are you doing?”. Basically they have said, “you have been together for 2 years, and she wants a complete relationship, but seem like you don’t, so,what are you doing? Are you playing her?” He felt accused, so he

answered, “ I’m not playing her. I’m very fond of her, just…..” the physical stuff. 

Then, the way he looks ahead,reflecting, and then answer that it’s possibility. So sure of himself, not scared, so mature!! And then how he smiles at Penny, so relaxed. He is changing, and he is welcoming his change, he wants it. I have always said this:
Sheldon wants to be happy, and he always knows what makes him happy and works hard to get it. Just, before meeting Amy he had never thought about a relationship like one of those that could make him happy, now things are different.
He wants it and he is working on it!! :)

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Ok. So after having watched the episode 3 times and borrowed Leonard’s inhaler, I am ready to express my opinions on this wonderful episode. It’s gonna be a long post,sorry!! :)

1) Kripke scenes: a) I absolutely love them!! When they exchange their works , the way Sheldon closes the drawer with his tight..precious!!  Later, when he decides to play along and blame his sex life. Just perfect… B) the why he busies himself with those journals, and rotates his eyes and moves his lips, and every now and then looks up at Kripke  like saying, “Am I being believable here? Am I making sense? Because I have no idea what I am talking about!!” c)  And at the end, “Toys???” Like saying, ‘what the hell have my toys to do with this?’

 

2)  Amy’s scene:  a) At the beginning, when he tries to shut himself off saying that everything is ok….it really hurts   B) How Amy then gets really concerned and when she asks if can offer him a comforting hug, seems like scared he will refuse, hopeful that he will accept….just great. So much respect and caring there!! C) Then, the way she hugs him…it is a weird way…but here is the thing, not only- as we already know- Amy too doesn’t know that well how to express physical affection, but the chances she gets to actually touch Sheldon are so few and far b/w that when she does get to hug him, she tries to express all her affection in those seconds. She is like, "I don’t have much time, I need to concentrate all my feeling in this short hug, I’ m gonna hold you as tightly as I can, so that you get how much I care and that in my mind I can hold you forever!!"

D) When she stops, the way Sheldon looks at her right before saying, “why did you stop”. With that looks he actually says, “why did you leave me? You aren’t supposed to leave me!! Come back!!” And then put his hand on her arm, wow…..just….the

entire scene was so touching and meaningful....

3) Penny scene:   You know, everyone has things they cannot talk about that easily… For Sheldon sex and romantic feelings are one of those things, nonetheless, here he is, answering Penny’ s question with such a calm and honesty…..

“That’s awfully personal” It’ s true, for him  it is, but he actually keeps his calm and explains what the deal his….it really wasn’t an easy thing to do, but it did, deserving all my respect. He was brave, really brave!!

Also, before has been asked why he started by saying, “First of all, I’ m very fond of Amy” I think, this affirmation was the direct answer to Penny’s and Leonard’s “ what are you doing?”. Basically they have said, “you have been together for 2 years, and she wants a complete relationship, but seem like you don’t, so,what are you doing? Are you playing her?” He felt accused, so he

answered, “ I’m not playing her. I’m very fond of her, just…..” the physical stuff. 

Then, the way he looks ahead,reflecting, and then answer that it’s possibility. So sure of himself, not scared, so mature!! And then how he smiles at Penny, so relaxed. He is changing, and he is welcoming his change, he wants it. I have always said this:

Sheldon wants to be happy, and he always knows what makes him happy and works hard to get it. Just, before meeting Amy he had never thought about a relationship like one of those that could make him happy, now things are different.

He wants it and he is working on it!! :)

 

That part just kills me. On more than one occasion while watching it I had a fleeting mental image of what it would be like if she were to break up with him at this stage and it broke my heart to pieces. I honestly don't think he'd recover. 

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That part just kills me. On more than one occasion while watching it I had a fleeting mental image of what it would be like if she were to break up with him at this stage and it broke my heart to pieces. I honestly don't think he'd recover. 

 

He needs her now.  And not just because she's his ride.

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I also want to give a shout out to Penny in this episode.  She was really good in this one.  You know, how throughout the whole series, sometimes she will "smile" knowingly when something is endearing or funny... I've always loved that about her.  She did it in the beginning of this episode and also when Sheldon made his line about the coitus with amy being whimsical... I just loved her in both those scenes.  Her timing with the looks throughout the episode were perfect.

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I also was impressed at how kind Kripke was to Sheldon. He had an opportunity to rip Sheldon to shreds but he didn't. I'm a shipper. LOL!

 

This surprised me as well. I  guess because he is more of a pervert and getting juicy information on another person's sex life is more interesting to him than berating Sheldon for his bad work.  :icon_lol:   But it was surprising to me for some reason, even after having read the taping report.  :icon_mrgreen:

 

I think Kiru's summary and Aster7' summary pretty much covered it.  

 

One thing that struck me was when Amy asked if a hug might help, it was as if she was considering his feelings.  Her first reaction, based on her arm/hand movements was to want to lean over and hug him, but she stops herself and put her hands in her lap instead.   She says she wishes there is something she could do to help him feel better and then offers the hug.  It is as if she wanted to consider his way of making him feel better over what she would logically know would make her feel better.   She knows his aversion to hugging and so waited until she got the green-light from him to hug him.   I love it. It was selfless and so caring...so in tune with him and meeting his needs.  :icon_wink:

 

I also agree that Sheldon has been thinking about it.  He has desired Amy for a while now and has been considering a physical relationship with her and working on it secretly for a while.  It was obvious after last night's episode.   The words he used to Leonard to describe their rumored sex life was a huge key.  His talking about "boy howdy, it's magic" means he envisions their sex life being pleasurable, playful, fun, intense and full of passion.   He talked about her "desirable" body parts.   Everything he talked about is as if he had been fantasizing for a while about them making love.  

 

I love that he starts out his talk with Leonard and Penny telling them right up front that he is "quite fond" of Amy because it set the record straight immediately.  Sheldon may not realize he is in love with Amy and so isn't ready to use the L word, but it was as close to saying it as he could get.  He wanted to be clear that his feelings for Amy were real, genuine and growing.   The way he said it was downright adamant, it was like "end of discussion" kind of statement.  He knew he would be revealing more to them than that, but it was the intensity in which he wanted them to know his feelings were not fake, not to be toyed with and that he is very much invested in his relationship with Amy that was awesome.    Next he describes that he has a hang-up about touch.   He makes it clear that he personally came up with a plan to overcome that and has been working on it.  This was revealing as well because it was his way of saying, yes, I am wanting a full-on relationship that includes everything that it should include when you love someone, yet I have some issues to overcome.  I know I have those issues and I have not only devised a plan to overcome them, but am actively working on it.  It was so deep.  Then Penny asks for the clarification "are you saying you might someday have a physical relationship with Amy?" and he takes a moment to think.   I know many wondered if he was thinking about whether to respond or not.  I personally think he was not worried about responding as much as how much to respond and I think he was evaluating where his progress was in regard to the plan he put in place for getting over his aversion to touch. It was very "scientific" of him.  He was calculating the progress based on his data, calculating what to tell them versus just share privately with Amy and then coming up with a response that he felt was appropriate.   I love that.  It was so Sheldon-y in a way.  :icon_mrgreen:

 

You know the boy has been considering sex for a while because he has been using a lot more innuendo this entire season compared to previous seasons.   His opening line about sucking on the breast of science...it made me think he was considering sucking on Amy's breasts.   I think this boy has been doing a lot of research as well as fantasizing.   It would be so much fun if they added more about that.

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This surprised me as well. I  guess because he is more of a pervert and getting juicy information on another person's sex life is more interesting to him than berating Sheldon for his bad work.  :icon_lol:   But it was surprising to me for some reason, even after having read the taping report.  :icon_mrgreen:

 

I think Kiru's summary and Aster7' summary pretty much covered it.  

 

One thing that struck me was when Amy asked if a hug might help, it was as if she was considering his feelings.  Her first reaction, based on her arm/hand movements was to want to lean over and hug him, but she stops herself and put her hands in her lap instead.   She says she wishes there is something she could do to help him feel better and then offers the hug.  It is as if she wanted to consider his way of making him feel better over what she would logically know would make her feel better.   She knows his aversion to hugging and so waited until she got the green-light from him to hug him.   I love it. It was selfless and so caring...so in tune with him and meeting his needs.  :icon_wink:

 

I also agree that Sheldon has been thinking about it.  He has desired Amy for a while now and has been considering a physical relationship with her and working on it secretly for a while.  It was obvious after last night's episode.   The words he used to Leonard to describe their rumored sex life was a huge key.  His talking about "boy howdy, it's magic" means he envisions their sex life being pleasurable, playful, fun, intense and full of passion.   He talked about her "desirable" body parts.   Everything he talked about is as if he had been fantasizing for a while about them making love.  

 

I love that he starts out his talk with Leonard and Penny telling them right up front that he is "quite fond" of Amy because it set the record straight immediately.  Sheldon may not realize he is in love with Amy and so isn't ready to use the L word, but it was as close to saying it as he could get.  He wanted to be clear that his feelings for Amy were real, genuine and growing.   The way he said it was downright adamant, it was like "end of discussion" kind of statement.  He knew he would be revealing more to them than that, but it was the intensity in which he wanted them to know his feelings were not fake, not to be toyed with and that he is very much invested in his relationship with Amy that was awesome.    Next he describes that he has a hang-up about touch.   He makes it clear that he personally came up with a plan to overcome that and has been working on it.  This was revealing as well because it was his way of saying, yes, I am wanting a full-on relationship that includes everything that it should include when you love someone, yet I have some issues to overcome.  I know I have those issues and I have not only devised a plan to overcome them, but am actively working on it.  It was so deep.  Then Penny asks for the clarification "are you saying you might someday have a physical relationship with Amy?" and he takes a moment to think.   I know many wondered if he was thinking about whether to respond or not.  I personally think he was not worried about responding as much as how much to respond and I think he was evaluating where his progress was in regard to the plan he put in place for getting over his aversion to touch. It was very "scientific" of him.  He was calculating the progress based on his data, calculating what to tell them versus just share privately with Amy and then coming up with a response that he felt was appropriate.   I love that.  It was so Sheldon-y in a way.  :icon_mrgreen:

 

You know the boy has been considering sex for a while because he has been using a lot more innuendo this entire season compared to previous seasons.   His opening line about sucking on the breast of science...it made me think he was considering sucking on Amy's breasts.   I think this boy has been doing a lot of research as well as fantasizing.   It would be so much fun if they added more about that.

 

I agree... the writers have purposely made sheldon make sex-related comments this season for the reasons I think you have outlined above.  Also, it helps the viewers to visualize it and understand... and to change along with Sheldon.  If you go back and watch earlier seasons, it is very hard to imagine Sheldon saying the things he did last night.  But, this season, it seems to make sense.  Sheldon is different but the same as well... it's just an upgraded version, thanks to Amy.

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I've seen this episode 4 times and I still feel I didn't get the entire feel for it so I'm gonna go back and watch it again today (I aint telling how many times) but I have to say, I dont think Leonard has ever raised his voice at Sheldon like that before, so assertive, authoritative...quite sexy, tbh.  :D    I believe both Mayim and Jim will get some great nods (and hopefully wins) next year.  Well, they BETTER!  

 

Another good thing is the ratings didnt drop off all that much.  I guess Tina's plea didn't work after all! :D  

 

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FOX American Idol 4.5/13 13.73
NBC 30 Rock 1.9/5 4.80
CW The Vampire Diaries 1.3/4 2.57
ABC Shark Tank ® 1.1/3 4.59
    
CBS Two and a Half Men 3.9/11 13.72
        
CBS Person Of Interest 3.2/9 15.62
ABC Grey's Anatomy 2.8/7 8.77
NBC The Office 2.1/5 4.44
FOX Glee 2.1/6 5.54
CW Beauty And The Beast 0.7/2 1.73
        
NBC The Office 1.9/5 4.02
                    
ABC Scandal 2.7/8 8.10
CBS Elementary 2.2/6 10.80
NBC Do No Harm 0.9/3 3.13


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I can NOT wait for next week's epi!  EPIC as well!

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That part just kills me. On more than one occasion while watching it I had a fleeting mental image of what it would be like if she were to break up with him at this stage and it broke my heart to pieces. I honestly don't think he'd recover. 

 

 

Yeah....I don't think he would recover either, and my heart breaks at the mere thought. However, since I am a little of a masochist sometimes, I would like in the future to have one or two episodes where they have an ugly and serious argument and both of them think they are really losing the other, but since things are going so well, I cannot see this happen, so I would settle for your idea: having Amy going somewhere for a certain period of time and getting to see them really missing the other...

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I had to set my sister straight about the conversation between Sheldon and L/P.  She felt that it was "false" and contrived in order to get Sheldon from point a to point b, but I don't think she's thinking of the 3-steps-forward/2-steps-back pattern of all the relationship on the show, but especially the Shamy.

 

Now, she really only started watching new eps after Thanksgiving, and she's been watching past seasons randomly as they air in syndication, so I don't know that she understands the progression that Sheldon has been on, but I did point out that his admitting his feelings and his shortcomings was simply a tiny step forward and that he and Amy aren't going to be jostling each others bathing suit areas any time soon. :p

 

I love that he was able to open up to Penny and Leonard, rather than trying to shrug off his feelings or dismiss them or to get miffed about being asked such things.

These two are his closest friends, in whom he has confided more than with anyone else--even more, perhaps, than with Amy, in some ways, and probably, in some ways, more than with his own mother.

 

This scene, and the hugging scene, to some degree, was the "Truth" of this episode.  Others have said, and I agree, that Sheldon made it clear that his feelings for Amy are real and fond is an interesting choice.  Even if he felt it, I don't think he could yet say that he "loved" her--it kind of depends, I think, on what he thinks saying the L word connotes--is it more than he feels, or perhaps carries some connotation among others that he doesn't want them to assume about his feelings, or is he still working out the depth of his feelings for Amy?

And yet, it's clear that his feelings for her are different than they were when they were not bf/gf.  The fact that he mentions the Vapo-rub means that he knows that being able to perform such a task was a step of progress for him, but he didn't seem to see it as sexual, just an example of his difficulties with physical touch.  And maybe the writers were kind of underscoring that non-sexual aspect by having Leonard make his comment.  Or maybe it was just funny. :)

 

Anyway, the fact that he's working on his touch issues means that he recognizes it as a barrier at this point, whereas in the past he saw nothing wrong with his touch phobia or issue--it was one way to keep the germs of the world at bay, and also just part of who he was.  He didn't care that it might seem odd to others, like President Siebert, and he didn't seem to feel the need to get over it.

Until Amy came along.

 

I do like that he said that getting physical with Amy was a possibility, not a certainty, and that he seemed to see that as something he could consider.  He didn't dismiss it or say it would be too extreme or unsanitary or anything else negative.  I think that saying it was possible meant that he saw it somewhere along that arc of progression that he's working on--perhaps meaning that if he can work through his touch issues that that's why it's possible.  If he weren't working on his issues, trying to get past his discomfort, then it would not be possible. So... :D

 

ETA: I also wanted to say that perhaps him opening up to L/P is kind of how sometimes when you're in a relationship, you want to talk about it--you want to kind of have a sounding board.  I think that in the past Sheldon has kind of done that with Penny, like the conversation they had in Flaming Spitoon, but he hasn't really talked about such things since he and Amy changed their relationship.

So maybe this little dabble into talking about sex with Amy was his opportunity to kind of let some thoughts out of his own head.  He's not likely to talk to Amy about getting physical if he's not yet ready, but since Penny asked him, he has the opportunity to kind or work it out aloud.  He's not asking for advice or wondering about the status of his relationship, but he's kind of just getting some things off his chest that maybe he didn't know he wanted to talk about.  Maybe he hadn't really fully formulated the idea of a physical relationship with Amy as a possiblity on his arc of progress, but having been asked, he codified the answer for himself as well as for them.

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Yeah....I don't think he would recover either, and my heart breaks at the mere thought. However, since I am a little of a masochist sometimes, I would like in the future to have one or two episodes where they have an ugly and serious argument and both of them think they are really losing the other, but since things are going so well, I cannot see this happen, so I would settle for your idea: having Amy going somewhere for a certain period of time and getting to see them really missing the other...

 

 

I wouldn't put it past the writers to do something like that someday. Not this season, but maybe next. Maybe when they feel they need a push to move things along. One or two eps max. But they might play that card in a slightly different way. As I said, my favorite scenario would be for Amy to have to go work somewhere for a few weeks. Or another route could be to have her being offered a job somewhere far away and have a couple of episodes of turmoil about whether she would go or she would stay.

 

Do you think tptb is slowing gonna break Sheldon into a real person?  All the heartache and lessons seem to be the focus with that character.

 

I don't think they're breaking him into a real person, I think they're simply showing he's already a deeper character than one might have previously have assumed, because his quirks and phobias are not just cartoonish traits but rooted in something. He's definitely growing up, but I wouldn't say Sheldon now isn't "real", that would imply that anything that deviates from the norm isn't "real" or is somehow limited instead of just different. I like that they are really sticking to the "He's capable of things we haven't seen before" mantra that they set off for him at the beginning of the year. 

 

 

As for the "fond" part... to be honest, I think that even if Sheldon knew he does love her, he would never say the L word so easily in front of his friends, especially the first time he openly admits to have feelings for her. It's just Sheldonesque wording, imo. We don't know at this stage whether he is aware he loves her and is conscious that it is romantic or what have you, but I wouldn't put it past him either. We'll just have to wait and see when and how it does eventually come out.

 

To me, the telling part about the Penny conversation was the first part, not so much the final line. I think the pause where he thinks and his saying "It's a possibility" is also partly the writers wanting to tease and keep the audience on the edge of their seats. I'm in no way saying he KNOWS that it's a certainty, but to me, the way he approached the conversation means he HAS thought about it already and has decided he does want it. First of all, he knew it was important to make it clear that it wasn't because of his feelings for her that they weren't physical yet (he essentially said "I'm not leading her on"). I think it's huge that his view of the relationship has shifted from his own concept of relationship as it is set in the RA to a more "normal", if you will, view. When he essentially said he's not leading her on, it means he knows that there should be more to their relationship than there is now and he doesn't want Leonard and Penny to think that the reason they're not there yet is because he's toying with her when he just wants his own version of what a relationship should be. Secondly, he did not say he does not know if he'd like sex, or want sex, or anything like that. He said the issue is only about physical contact, it's like he admitted there's this barrier in between himself and that thing on the other side that he is aiming to get to eventually. 

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Another review with a great quote:  http://www.tv.com/news/the-big-bang-theory-the-cooper-kripke-inversion-review-sheldons-road-to-redemption-and-sex-30525/

 

Sometimes it seems as though The Big Bang Theory's status quo is that "Sheldon is quirky and we all must accept that"—which in turn gives Sheldon free reign to, well, act like a douche. Sheldon's honest admission to Penny and Leonard went a long way toward remediating his somewhat tarnished image—he may not always realize when he's doing/saying something wrong but he IS aware that he's flawed and he's working on improving himself. The entire tone of Amy and Sheldon's sometimes-weird relationship has changed for the better. Amy is no longer a sad, desperate woman throwing herself at a self-centered, disinterested man. They both give just as much to their relationship, they just do it in different ways.

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. The fact that he mentions the Vapo-rub means that he knows that being able to perform such a task was a step of progress for him, but he didn't seem to see it as sexual, just an example of his difficulties with physical touch.  And maybe the writers were kind of underscoring that non-sexual aspect by having Leonard make his comment.  Or maybe it was just funny. :)

 

Anyway, the fact that he's working on his touch issues means that he recognizes it as a barrier at this point, whereas in the past he saw nothing wrong with his touch phobia or issue--it was one way to keep the germs of the world at bay, and also just part of who he was.  He didn't care that it might seem odd to others, like President Siebert, and he didn't seem to feel the need to get over it.

Until Amy came along.

 

 

 

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 Yeah, I like that you brought this up. A lot of people, once the spoilers about this episode came out, started interpreting Sheldon's actions while Amy was sick like mere excuses to get more physical with her, seeing in them a sexual subtext, but in my opinion it is not like that. He did those things because those are the things you do when one is sick or has done something wrong. He knew that,given hid aversion to physical contact, it wasn't going to be easy, but he challenged himself because she is worth it, and in the end he surprised himself  finding out that he was actually able to do them.

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