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I'm trying to think of occasions this year where he could have touched her but didn't. I think to be honest the V-day hug was the only one I can remember. Is there something I'm forgetting? I guess that one stands out because it was pretty weird for him not to return that hug, so we forget that it's actually the only time that's happened. 

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A bit late tho, but here is my short review:

 

I really liked the episode. Sheldon on the sofa was great acting, the body language made me LOL, the skyping was hilarious, the toys down the pants made me laugh really hard.

 

So all in all: thumbs up!

 

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Monique, I know you said you will be at Paleyfest...anyone else attending or going to a theater for the live feed? I hear they will be taking audience questions. Anyone brave and/or assertive enough to fight through the crowds and seize that opportunity? I'd say we've got more than a few burning questions that we'd all like answered (or addressed at the very least) ;)

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I'm trying to think of occasions this year where he could have touched her but didn't. I think to be honest the V-day hug was the only one I can remember. Is there something I'm forgetting? I guess that one stands out because it was pretty weird for him not to return that hug, so we forget that it's actually the only time that's happened. 

 

I think he could have held her hand at the play...even if it was before Kaley started her monologue, but showing them hold hands...or hold hands while walking out the door to go to the play.  There are ways they could just add some simple signs that would make it seem more consistent about the touch aversion.  He grabs Kripke's hand instead of fist pump, patted him on the arm when he thought Kripke was getting boot out, punched Penny in the arm, touched Leonard's head, etc.  All the things mentioned, yet they show him really struggling with touching Amy which makes it come across very inconsistent.  Therefore, I have to believe it is all purposeful.   Perhaps it will explain his "arousal" stuff that is sure to come in the future.   I really don't know, but the writers and direction on the show is usually pretty good so there must be a reason they are having him still act that way.   I just hope it ends soon and they get to the point because as many have said, it becomes ridiculous after a while and can work against what they intend to do if timed poorly.   They have been good with timing so far, so I am going to trust them.

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I think he could have held her hand at the play...even if it was before Kaley started her monologue, but showing them hold hands...or hold hands while walking out the door to go to the play.  There are ways they could just add some simple signs that would make it seem more consistent about the touch aversion.  He grabs Kripke's hand instead of fist pump, patted him on the arm when he thought Kripke was getting boot out, punched Penny in the arm, touched Leonard's head, etc.  All the things mentioned, yet they show him really struggling with touching Amy which makes it come across very inconsistent.  Therefore, I have to believe it is all purposeful.   Perhaps it will explain his "arousal" stuff that is sure to come in the future.   I really don't know, but the writers and direction on the show is usually pretty good so there must be a reason they are having him still act that way.   I just hope it ends soon and they get to the point because as many have said, it becomes ridiculous after a while and can work against what they intend to do if timed poorly.   They have been good with timing so far, so I am going to trust them.

 

I agree. To be fair I had my reservations about 6x10 when it first came out because I thought it could go both ways, the one it did and the one where they use it as evidence that touching her means nothing to him. I was very relieved that they went they way they did. So now it could be the same thing again, that it will make sense soon. But I agree that at this stage it is a very fine line. I don't expect Sheldon to be the type that would hold her hand while walking, especially at this stage, but I think that at this stage, if she were to grab his hand like they did at the movies in 6x02, he wouldn't (or at least shouldn't, if they are consistent with his internal progress) complain.

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I think Sheldon is slowly working on being more comfortable touching people, but he's still not comfortable with it.  When he patted Leonard's head he noted there was too much product in there and it made him feel icky which is why he wiped his hand on his pants.  When he fist-shakes Kripke you can see he obviously still doesn't get that he is supposed to bump fists together and is more familiar with idea of handshaking and it is also less agreessive way to touch people.  I think Sheldon has been physically abused quite a bit in his life, I mean he got picked and beat up by the neighbor kids, his dad use to spank him and obviously had a drinking problem so maybe the spankings were more like beatings I'm not sure. 

 

But, he definitely came from dysfuctional family, so I think Sheldon views touching as unpleasant not just because of germs, but because a lot of physical experiences with other people has been painful uncomfortable and/or embarrassing for him, so he's not use to it feeling good.   With Amy I think that is why first kiss was so "FASCINATING" to him because it was a rare physical contact experience where for first time it probably felt pretty good or at least not bad.  

 

For example his first kiss with Beverly their heads smacked together really hard which looked pretty painful, I think Sheldon may have thought kissing would feel painful again or lead to something painful which is what happened when Amy ran off to go vomit, you can see confusion on his face like he was thinking how come I'm not throwing up like her thats not like me lol.   I think he was genuinely surprised that he enjoyed it as much as he did and didn't feel urge to throw up or that it didn't hurt to kiss Amy.  Now they've held hands he's remarked that he's "Not a fan" but didn't say he hates it.  He just doesn't want have to do it all the time, because he still thinks its unhygenic, sweaty and looks dumb when people do it. 

 

 Sheldon is still learning how to control his body language like he told Amy on Skype, but I think he is also still learning about body contact as well, how to control it, when to do it and that it can actually be a pleasant experience with her.   You see it on his face when he cuddles Amy for first time on her couch.  At first he's nervous and scared, but then once he had both arms around her he kind of nods his head like okay this isn't so bad I guess, but then she asks him for second base and he gets upset again cause its like she's taking it too far.  He is just slow.   And i don't mean that to put him down, I just mean he's slow with understanding appropriate social skills and appropriate ways to touch people.  But, he's learning and developing more and more each week.  He's still just sooooo awkward about it that is what makes it funny.

 

Even the way he hit Penny on arm during Fun With Flags, he did it so awkwardly as if hey i've seen people who are friends do this before when they are relaxed and comfortable so I guess i should do it too.  But he still did it in an awkward way, and it kind of reminded me of time he tried to use urban slang and hit himself on the chest to be cool, but then he hit himself too hard and he had to rub it and didn't like it.   He was also super surprised when Amy taught him how to massage his neck and it felt SO GOOD.  Its like he couldn't believe how amazing it felt because he assumed at first that it was unnecessary and that he wouldn't like it, but then he did like it A LOT!! lol   And I think that is why he offered to massage Amy's neck when she was upset that time as part of their negotiation because it was one of few physical experience he's had before that he'd actually enjoyed doing and it was something She had taught him how to do so he figured she'd like it as well.

 

Writers do have to be careful they don't drag this will they won't they get physical thing out too long because then it will get too tiresome I agree, but they also can't just have Sheldon flip a switch either and suddenly be all open to physical contact and hugging/kissing Amy all time cause then it wouldn't be realistic.  I think they've done a superb job with the back and forth between them so far.  And, I like that it showing up that he is not only getting more comfortable being physical with her, but with his other friends as well by touching them more than he ever use too. 

 

Now I'd love it if we got to see Sheldon hug Leonard or be part of a group hug with all four nerd guys because it would really show that he's grown and since he was already willing to sleep naked with them for warmth it isn't unreasonable to think he'd be okay with hugging them now.    But, with Amy their contact needs to be different from rest like how he seemed pretty comfortable rubbing her chest or even spanking her lol.  I don't want him to ever become just as open physically with others as he is with her. 

 

For example, I love Sheldon and Penny scenes together, but sometimes  they make Sheldon act way too physically comfortable around Penny to the point it just keeps whole Shenny thing looking too "sexualish" or "romantic".    I mean in earlier seasons those jokes were perfectly okay and funny before Amy showed up like when Sheldon accidently grabbed Penny's breast while helping her change or two times he hugged Penny in the past, but now that he has a real girlfriend I don't want Sheldon to feel like its okay to touch Penny or any other girls like he touches Amy.  It needs to be clear difference and Sheldon needs to touch Amy the most from here on out.

 

 Shamy is the canon couple so their physical relationship needs to be the most romantic and "sexualish" one that Sheldon has ever experienced in order for the character development to continue and stay exciting.  Its okay for him to touch other people of course, but more inconsistently and less tenderly than his adorable awkward encounters with Amy.   I love their physical scenes the most, and I really really hope we get to see Sheldon kiss or hug her first before the end of the season or during the season finale that would just be cherry on top of fantastic season and be a perfect way to show growth from last season finale when he first took her hand on his own.

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Yes  He avoids touching and  holding  Amy's hand because not only he afraid of the feelings which arouse in him, but he knows that they are becoming more intense and enjoyable, one hand, and scientific curiosity will increasingly win, on the other hand this is what he denied and avoided because of his phobias, and it scares him that he like it. When he went   to thank Penny  and accept the invitation  he did it for Amy because she  told him that, she will slowly dare him. He trusts her, so even if a touch or hand holding or something more will be between them won't be nice he do it for her, and the more physical contact will be in small doses, though the more he will like it,  the more  he will enjoy it.  He loves her  and only that will matter. :icon_redface: :icon_redface:

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Yep practice makes perfect.  More Amy convinces Sheldon to touch her, more comfortable he will get with it until it just becomes more natural and easier thing to do.  But, for sake of comedy I think writers want to keep things as awkward as possible lol.  both hugs this season so far were awkward hugs, but the season 5 hand hold was so natural and the rubbing chest thing was so natural looking so I hope we get to see him be little more comfortable with touching Amy soon.

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They are teasing with us, they are giving us pleasure and delight in small sips that we can drink it through a straw of comedy, and it feel so good and taste so sweet that we love the taste of  that Shamy drink, and we want more...we want to be drunk  because of Sheldon and Amy. :wub: :wub:

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Great imagery, Silverangel! 

 

I agree with you who have said that he knows touching her is different from touching other people.  He's aware of the implications.  From the writers' perspective, they may also say that the times he has touched other people lately it hasn't been affectionate touching, and they don't want to show Sheldon touching Amy except out of affection.

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Just watching Herb Garden again and I've got a grin on my face from seeing Sheldon properly smile at Amy for the first time. As he shakes his head when Amy proposes the experiment he looks like she's just blown his mind, and his tone of voice suggests she really endeared herself to him. I always see that episode as the first spark of romantic realization exchanged between both of them, for Amy too when he called her a Vixen, she looked really flattered in this bashful kind of way. I think Amy did get a confidence boost from that exchange (plus alcohol of course) to go for the kiss in the next episode. Ahh I could watch it all day...

 

Ack, sorry I'm digressing. All I can say is: Sheldon better touch his vixen soon! She's been nothing but an angel!

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Just watching Herb Garden again and I've got a grin on my face from seeing Sheldon properly smile at Amy for the first time. As he shakes his head when Amy proposes the experiment he looks like she's just blown his mind, and his tone of voice suggests she really endeared herself to him. I always see that episode as the first spark of romantic realization exchanged between both of them them, for Amy too when he called her a Vixen, she looked really flattered in this bashful kind of way. I think Amy did get a confidence boost from that exchange (plus alcohol of course) to go for the kiss in the next episode. Ahh I could watch it all day...

 

Ack, sorry I'm digressing. All I can say is: Sheldon better touch his vixen soon! She's been nothing but an angel!

 

Still my favorite episode of the series to this day. To me that episode encompasses all that is awesome about the Shamy and why they are meant for one another. It's such perfection. 

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I think all their touching has been affectionate touching and we are not asking for much more right now than affection touching, just not quite as awkward and more frequent.  I don't think that is unreasonable to want at this stage in their relationship.   For Pete's sake, they have been dating now for nearly three years.   It isn't like we are asking for tons of groping, but holding her hand at the play would have been so significant to fans.  It would have been sweet, still in alignment with where they have been in their relationship and yet shown that his touch for Amy is different than for others. 

 

I agree that THGG is still one of the finest episodes of Shamy.   Who wrote that one?  Anyone remember?

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Because when we touch someone you love and who is attractive to us in any way when we think about him more often, then smallest touch of him  is  electrifying for us, the heart beats faster, breathing accelerates :icon_redface:  itd. It  happens to someone who does not have problem of touching. So if we are dealing with someone like Sheldon is such symptoms are a little scary, and certainly at the beginning he will not take into account the only real cause,  he will think  that he is ill. So before that happens when he will figure it out why he feels like that, it might take him a while..
People who do not have a problem with the touch and and the aren't germophobes it is exciting and powerful experience, when you first feel the touch, but the love and lust in the background  and fill our veins, and rushing so much, it's so overwhelming and thrilling feeling.  So I suppose that when he will feel the desire,  even touch of  Amy's hand will be a strong experience in every respect. And if he feels it already that, he's  really scared because he still have a lot to do with himself. But he is on the right track, because I trust her and listens to he.

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Just watching Herb Garden again and I've got a grin on my face from seeing Sheldon properly smile at Amy for the first time. As he shakes his head when Amy proposes the experiment he looks like she's just blown his mind, and his tone of voice suggests she really endeared herself to him. I always see that episode as the first spark of romantic realization exchanged between both of them, for Amy too when he called her a Vixen, she looked really flattered in this bashful kind of way. I think Amy did get a confidence boost from that exchange (plus alcohol of course) to go for the kiss in the next episode. Ahh I could watch it all day...

 

Ack, sorry I'm digressing. All I can say is: Sheldon better touch his vixen soon! She's been nothing but an angel!

 

Ah, nostalgia.. this is the episode that got me shipping them (the first and probably last shipping experience of my life). Still to this day, for me, nothing surpasses 'you're a vixen, Amy Farrah Fowler' and her teenage blush in response. And the smiling toast they raise. :wub:

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Because when we touch someone you love and who is attractive to us in any way when we think about him more often, then smallest touch of him  is  electrifying for us, the heart beats faster, breathing accelerates :icon_redface:  itd. It  happens to someone who does not have problem of touching. So if we are dealing with someone like Sheldon is such symptoms are a little scary, and certainly at the beginning he will not take into account the only real cause,  he will think  that he is ill. So before that happens when he will figure it out why he feels like that, it might take him a while..

People who do not have a problem with the touch and and the aren't germophobes it is exciting and powerful experience, when you first feel the touch, but the love and lust in the background  and fill our veins, and rushing so much, it's so overwhelming and thrilling feeling.  So I suppose that when he will feel the desire,  even touch of  Amy's hand will be a strong experience in every respect. And if he feels it already that, he's  really scared because he still have a lot to do with himself. But he is on the right track, because I trust her and listens to he.

 

 

yeah, but see? this is mostly us trying to make up an interpretation of why he would act that way. I think what stardust was saying (and I was too, but forgive me if I misinterpret her post below) is why are the writers going in this direction? Is it really because of what you are speculating or because they want to tease or because they have some other agenda? I think it's sometimes a bit of a stretch to say that the reason he seems so reluctant at the moment is because he is SO overwhelmed by feelings. It might very well be that we'll find out he is, but I think if they wanted to make the point that he is reluctant for that reason they would make it a little bit more obvious (e.g. have him pull some embarrassed face when she hugged him on V-day instead of being exasperated. She couldn't see his face, but we could. It would have been a way to cue the audience on it).

 

But, then again, the V-day hug was really the only time this season we saw him reluctant about it. So it might be just a one-off.

 

I think all their touching has been affectionate touching and we are not asking for much more right now than affection touching, just not quite as awkward and more frequent.  I don't think that is unreasonable to want at this stage in their relationship.   For Pete's sake, they have been dating now for nearly three years.   It isn't like we are asking for tons of groping, but holding her hand at the play would have been so significant to fans.  It would have been sweet, still in alignment with where they have been in their relationship and yet shown that his touch for Amy is different than for others. 

 

I agree that THGG is still one of the finest episodes of Shamy.   Who wrote that one?  Anyone remember?

 

Prady, Molaro and Holland.

 

eta: No, that was teleplay. Story by Lorre, Kaplan and Gorodestky.

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I think all their touching has been affectionate touching and we are not asking for much more right now than affection touching, just not quite as awkward and more frequent.  I don't think that is unreasonable to want at this stage in their relationship.   For Pete's sake, they have been dating now for nearly three years.   It isn't like we are asking for tons of groping, but holding her hand at the play would have been so significant to fans.  It would have been sweet, still in alignment with where they have been in their relationship and yet shown that his touch for Amy is different than for others. 

 

I agree that THGG is still one of the finest episodes of Shamy.   Who wrote that one?  Anyone remember?

 

I agree in every way, and I feel already impatient, and I think that Amy deserved more of his attenton,more touch of love and he need to show her more feelings because it is two years  and this is a little exaggeration from the writers side, that it take him  so long, but this is Sheldon and he never ever had exprienced that sort of feelings, and he is learning how to compliment people, how to show feelings with words and actions and by touching.

 

BUT HOW LONG HE WILL LEARN IT. DAMN IT.  :icon_mrgreen:  :icon_lol:

That's why I admire Amy. If I  had  such a man  like Sheldon, could not take away my hands of off him..  :icon_lol::icon_redface:

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yeah, but see? this is mostly us trying to make up an interpretation of why he would act that way. I think what stardust was saying (and I was too, but forgive me if I misinterpret her post below) is why are the writers going in this direction? Is it really because of what you are speculating or because they want to tease or because they have some other agenda? I think it's sometimes a bit of a stretch to say that the reason he seems so reluctant at the moment is because he is SO overwhelmed by feelings. It might very well be that we'll find out he is, but I think if they wanted to make the point that he is reluctant for that reason they would make it a little bit more obvious (e.g. have him pull some embarrassed face when she hugged him on V-day instead of being exasperated. She couldn't see his face, but we could. It would have been a way to cue the audience on it).

 

But, then again, the V-day hug was really the only time this season we saw him reluctant about it. So it might be just a one-off.

 

I agree, at this point it's just our conjecture that he's avoiding touching her because he needs to suppress his feelings.

 

They might clarify something like this in retrospect, though. After all, he seemed pretty clueless in Fish Guts when he took care of her, but in hindsight we got to know that he was at least aware of what he was doing, if not actually affected by it. (We still don't know whether or how much he was affected by, say, the bath).

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I agree with this koops that the writers have an agenda for them, that they streatching it because it would be obvious, We just touch upon various aspects of Sheldon, his feelings.I was just wondering  how it is with people who like to touch and  how to show feelings and how  it would be with him.

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I agree, at this point it's just our conjecture that he's avoiding touching her because he needs to suppress his feelings.

 

They might clarify something like this in retrospect, though. After all, he seemed pretty clueless in Fish Guts when he took care of her, but in hindsight we got to know that he was at least aware of what he was doing, if not actually affected by it. (We still don't know whether or how much he was affected by, say, the bath).

 

Exactly. I think it is possible that this might be just another Fish Guts. We'll just have to wait and see I guess.

 

 

Going back to THGG. Raz, you made me go back and watch it now and I've just noticed that that's the episode where Amy's addiction study is first mentioned, she had just started working on it. And now it looks like it's over. Probably means nothing, but I like it that it all came full circle. 

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Hey, I have a new one shot fanfiction up.

 

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/9040838/1/Brain-Activity-Map-Project

 

Based on exciting real life science news and the injustice of the monkey poop incident.

 

Oh great Chaliceinnana  I love fanfictions. I  will definietly read it. :)

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Something ended in her life, it  probably means new start of something exciting. It opened new doors for her and for Sheldon

In real life, there is a new project that they could work on together.

 

Cal Tech is combining Nano-technology with Neuro-science.

 

Physics and Neurobiology will be very linked.

 

It is very exciting.

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I am so excited over that project (for my own career too lol). I posted that article in the science thread a few days ago with a massive geek out :) It's a US wide thing and they're having something similar starting in Switzerland too. It's definitely a good time to be a neuroscientist :) 

 

Someone who's on twitter should send that link to Bill Prady and give him some ideas ;) 

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