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Here's a question:  what would Sheldon say if Amy said she wanted a bit more physical from their relationship, say she proposed a new habit of a goodnight hug?  Would he be OK with it?

 

BTW, Mayim said in an interview a while back that S/A were in the "relationship agreement" phase of their relationship.  Does that mean they'll get past it?  When's the last time they mentioned the RA?  The last I remember was TFGD.

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Here's a question:  what would Sheldon say if Amy said she wanted a bit more physical from their relationship, say she proposed a new habit of a goodnight hug?  Would he be OK with it?

 

BTW, Mayim said in an interview a while back that S/A were in the "relationship agreement" phase of their relationship.  Does that mean they'll get past it?  When's the last time they mentioned the RA?  The last I remember was TFGD.

He probably would agree to it, but then complain like he has been about the hand-holding until he finally explains why he complains because he obviously doesn't really have a problem with them.  I have yet to figure out why he seems to want to work on getting used to her touch and work toward a physical relationship, yet makes snarky comments to her about hand-holding, etc.  I think it isn't that he really feels that way, but there is a reason and we have not yet been clued in on what that is.   Just a best guess.

 

As far as Mayim's comment about he Rel A, yes, I think they will get past following it.  They pretty much violate it at times as it is.  I think the Rel A gives Sheldon security more than anything.  I don't think he truly enforces it with her, but it is more to have on paper that she belongs to him most of all and vice versa.   So yes, in a way they will get past it, but there likely will always be some sort of "legal" document in place between them.  That is is security blanket.  I don't see him ever getting to the point that he can let go of something that basic to the order in his life.

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He probably would agree to it, but then complain like he has been about the hand-holding until he finally explains why he complains because he obviously doesn't really have a problem with them.  I have yet to figure out why he seems to want to work on getting used to her touch and work toward a physical relationship, yet makes snarky comments to her about hand-holding, etc.  I think it isn't that he really feels that way, but there is a reason and we have not yet been clued in on what that is.   Just a best guess.

 

As far as Mayim's comment about he Rel A, yes, I think they will get past following it.  They pretty much violate it at times as it is.  I think the Rel A gives Sheldon security more than anything.  I don't think he truly enforces it with her, but it is more to have on paper that she belongs to him most of all and vice versa.   So yes, in a way they will get past it, but there likely will always be some sort of "legal" document in place between them.  That is is security blanket.  I don't see him ever getting to the point that he can let go of something that basic to the order in his life.

 

I think the simple answer is pride.  He wants it but isn't ready to own it yet.  Perhaps another reason is that he fears if he acts like he likes it, Amy will push him too fast.  Remember Sheldon is still an adolescent emotionally, and kids that age try to act all cool about everything.

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I think the simple answer is pride.  He wants it but isn't ready to own it yet.  Perhaps another reason is that he fears if he acts like he likes it, Amy will push him too fast.  Remember Sheldon is still an adolescent emotionally, and kids that age try to act all cool about everything.

Yes, I agree. I  think fear is the driving reason, but you are right.   It may not even be so much about being pushed too fast as much as being afraid of being a failure when having to actually get there.  I think he wants it, but is afraid to fail.   He knows he is not savvy about social conventions and more important he knows that he is a man over 30 with no experience.  That has to be terrifying in a way.   Plus he is a perfectionist and has to be best at everything (highly competitive).  So you know that is weighing heavy on him.   But I agree, emotionally, he is still an adolescent, although recent comments and innuendo have him progressing fast as far as desire.  :icon_lol::icon_redface::icon_lol:

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Yes, I agree. I  think fear is the driving reason, but you are right.   It may not even be so much about being pushed too fast as much as being afraid of being a failure when having to actually get there.  I think he wants it, but is afraid to fail.   He knows he is not savvy about social conventions and more important he knows that he is a man over 30 with no experience.  That has to be terrifying in a way.   Plus he is a perfectionist and has to be best at everything (highly competitive).  So you know that is weighing heavy on him.   But I agree, emotionally, he is still an adolescent, although recent comments and innuendo have him progressing fast as far as desire:icon_lol::icon_redface::icon_lol:

 

In a recent interview, Jim characterized it as that Sheldon is now "intrigued" by the physical aspects, which makes a lot of sense.  I'm not sure if Sheldon is exactly lusting after Amy at this point, but it sounds like he's curious.

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I think the intrigue has been growing this season.   Maybe not lusting, but definitely getting more and more interested.  He won't lust until he has experienced more.  In other words, until they start to kiss more or and have more intimacy in general, it is hard to lust.   He may admire and like what he sees, but he can't lust until he has had something to trigger those kinds of feelings.

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In a recent interview, Jim characterized it as that Sheldon is now "intrigued" by the physical aspects, which makes a lot of sense. I'm not sure if Sheldon is exactly lusting after Amy at this point, but it sounds like he's curious.

Thank you, TMP! I didn't totally understand what Jim meant by "he's intrigued on the level you would hope to feel"-- it's a bit awkward grammatically -- but I think you are right, given the context (the reporter was asking about Shamy sex). I definitely find it encouraging.

Curiosity/interest must come first, then desire and instinct will eventually take over; but I think the mere fact that he is now thinking about doing things that were, up until recently, "unthinkable", is pretty terrifying to him.

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Yes. Sheldon is curious and is exploring. Like, for example, like what Lio told me the other day, that something about The Fish Guts Displacement. He took care of her, he BATHED her, and touched her. If he thought that was too much for him and he wasn't able to take that much contact, then he would have called her and told her that he knows she was just pretending to be sick. But he didn't. He actually went to her house and used his own keys that she probably had given to him, told her that a punishment is in order and SUGGESTED that he spanks her. Spanking, which involves even MORE physical contact.

 

He reasoned out that spanking is what his father did to his brother when it drank his driving liquor. Last episode, he was reasoning out that he is not supposed to share the content of the letter because he is held in a closet organizer-organizee confidentiality, and then he proceeds to come up with another reasons that for him is only logical so he can spill the beans to the girls. Back in the Stephen Hawking episode, when Amy suggested that he use the word extract, he said that it's unethical for him to use it because the word was not originally from him. So he came up with another ridiculous reason for him not to be bugged by his conscience and thought that he should use the other word, extract, that has a totally different meaning.

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As a response to the earlier speculation as to Jim being sassy with Kaley, I was looking at some interviews and here's one from a couple of years ago in which he's exactly the same way with her.  Seems like it's just the nature of their relationship.

 

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Good morning. Wow, so much discussion over night :)

 

Thanks for that video Stardust, I wonder why he seems so much sassier and cockier in the interviews following the panel than before the panel. This one seems a lot more like the Jim I am used to. I really wonder whether something happened between this interview and the panel because the attitude is definitely different.

 

Anyway, going back to all the scenarios you envisioned (attack/asking for more physicality): the thing is, my favorite moments are the moments were Sheldon is *still* consistent with the Sheldon we know but at the same time does something that you wouldn't expect. That's why i love TIP, TFGD, TCKI etc. Because I do not see that kind of stuff coming from Sheldon, but yet he is so Sheldon. It's so boring when they stick to his stereotypical behavior, so I wouldn't really see the point in Amy confronting him about more physical contact and him acting predictably by whining about it. I'd rather they did not touch at all than have him do it and whine about it still. It's been done so many times now. I think that's part of the reason why that line in the last episode REALLY ticked me off. I've been saying for ages that I would have loved some mentions about physical contact happening off screen, but I'd rather we got none than something negative.

 

The other thing I was thinking, is that the current issue with physical contact is blown a bit out of proportion by the writers because I feel as if they don't want Sheldon to have his cake and eat it too. They had much more "normal" romantic physical contact and smitten interaction before they became official than after they became official. I think that is because the writers feel they can't let Sheldon have a girlfriend and that kind of more "normal" romantic behavior at the same time. They were paradoxically acting more like a couple in S4 then they do now: the looks, the flirting, the fact that everyone used to treat them like a couple and they used to talk about "their relationship" as if they were, the kissing, the cuddling. I totally think it's a case of the writers trying to think how they can keep Sheldon's relationship as odd as possible. Which before used to be to have a girl/friend that he acted like a boyfriend towards and now is to have a girlfriend that he keeps his distance from. 

 

Re: Mayim's comments, I believe she said their relationship is at the hand-holding stage as stated in the RA, not that they are at the RA stage of the relationship.

 

6x21 will be 2 years from their first kiss, btw. Curious to make the comparison between the 2 eps.

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I also thought of him telling her to have him give her the purse.  LOL!   It sounds so Sheldon-y

 

Somehow I think she would be the feisty one though.  

 

I was going to make a very "naughty" remark about having a hot dog in his pocket...but decided against it.   :icon_redface: :icon_redface: :icon_redface::icon_lol: :icon_lol:

Good morning koops :)

 

 

:icon_mrgreen: I also had dirty thoughts, when I wrote this hot dog in is his pocket post. I thought about the same .. but didn't do it, it's was to dirty...dirty...dirty :icon_redface:  :icon_redface:  :icon_lol:  :icon_lol:

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That was definitely swoon worthy. I loved all of their interactions (even the ones that were supposedly "off camera" that the camera was larger in the theater than on Hulu...so you could see more).  They had a lot of whispering going on and more touching than Hulu showed.  The way he did it as well came across like "She's mine" as well...just like something Sheldon would do.  LOL!

 

Wow I would like to see it. Hulu didn't showed it to much.

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Yes, I agree. I think fear is the driving reason, but you are right. It may not even be so much about being pushed too fast as much as being afraid of being a failure when having to actually get there. I think he wants it, but is afraid to fail. He knows he is not savvy about social conventions and more important he knows that he is a man over 30 with no experience. That has to be terrifying in a way. Plus he is a perfectionist and has to be best at everything (highly competitive). So you know that is weighing heavy on him. But I agree, emotionally, he is still an adolescent, although recent comments and innuendo have him progressing fast as far as desire. :icon_lol::icon_redface::icon_lol:

I agree with you. Fear makes that he can not do anything more than he wanted. It's obvious that he is ashamed of, in front of Amy, he do not have experience, but also ashamed to admit to the rest of the group that now he can insert between the stories, that's what he said about the baser urges. Amy slowly helps him become more emotionally mature, he must do what he should, he must figure it himself, how to show her how he loves her, and thanks to this he wouldn't cause frustrations and he wouldn't be hurt her anymore.

and I agree with this,the more innuendo and situations which put him against the wall, he will not have a choice, the more will be making progress not only in the maturation to show affection, but it will be a lot of progress in his being red bloded man with sexual desires :icon_redface: :icon_redface: :icon_biggrin: :icon_biggrin:

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I think the intrigue has been growing this season. Maybe not lusting, but definitely getting more and more interested. He won't lust until he has experienced more. In other words, until they start to kiss more or and have more intimacy in general, it is hard to lust. He may admire and like what he sees, but he can't lust until he has had something to trigger those kinds of feelings.

 

The more he will try her sweetnesses, the more he will be curious, the more he will be wanted it. If once he would try to feel it and taste it, :icon_redface::icon_lol: he will be wanted it. :icon_redface:

 

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The other thing I was thinking, is that the current issue with physical contact is blown a bit out of proportion by the writers because I feel as if they don't want Sheldon to have his cake and eat it too. They had much more "normal" romantic physical contact and smitten interaction before they became official than after they became official. I think that is because the writers feel they can't let Sheldon have a girlfriend and that kind of more "normal" romantic behavior at the same time. They were paradoxically acting more like a couple in S4 then they do now: the looks, the flirting, the fact that everyone used to treat them like a couple and they used to talk about "their relationship" as if they were, the kissing, the cuddling. I totally think it's a case of the writers trying to think how they can keep Sheldon's relationship as odd as possible. Which before used to be to have a girl/friend that he acted like a boyfriend towards and now is to have a girlfriend that he keeps his distance from.

 

I agree, that is something like they wanted to have Sheldon odd and please fans.

The more she tries, the more he keeps her at a distance, the stranger he behaves. As if they wanted to show us that he is fighting with himself and with fear, and he won't immediately change into someone who can show feelings, and sexual desire. He will never be the same as everyone else, that's why they are special couple, different than all, and he must find his own way how to  show her as he loves her and wants her.

He can change his approach to germs, and to hugging and kissing, and to the fact that enjoys it, and makes him happy when he shows it, but he will never be like everyone else, and she loves him for it that he's unique, and for him she is unique to because she is his soul mate.

But writers can not have cake and eat it too. They have to decide on somethin.

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Thank you, TMP! I didn't totally understand what Jim meant by "he's intrigued on the level you would hope to feel"-- it's a bit awkward grammatically -- but I think you are right, given the context (the reporter was asking about Shamy sex). I definitely find it encouraging.

Curiosity/interest must come first, then desire and instinct will eventually take over; but I think the mere fact that he is now thinking about doing things that were, up until recently, "unthinkable", is pretty terrifying to him.

 

I also found that sentence very confusing, I don't know if it was the reporting or what. To be honest, I think that the reason why it sounds so weird is that I don't think Jim himself really understands what's going on with Sheldon right now. He gets given a lot more sex-lines than ever before, and he gets given an episode like 6x14, but at the same time he gets a lot of contradicting stuff too, so I guess it's hard for him as an actor to figure out what's going on in Sheldon's head and give a definite answer about where he is at on the sexual attraction/lust scale. That's why that answer is so vague. I do think that he believes Sheldon IS going in that direction though, that "level you would hope" is essentially saying that it would be pretty sad if he weren't attracted to her on a physical level too. You would hope that he is attracted to his girlfriend. It would be painful to watch if that weren't the case. I don't know who would find that funny.

 

But to be honest, I don't really think that's even a question after 6x20 airs. He doesn't say it outright, but he gets pissed off at Raj for insinuating Amy can't be "used" to seduce committee members like Penny, which is pretty much saying he does think she's attractive without outright saying it.

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As a response to the earlier speculation as to Jim being sassy with Kaley, I was looking at some interviews and here's one from a couple of years ago in which he's exactly the same way with her.  Seems like it's just the nature of their relationship.

 

 

How come Mayim is not in this?

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How come Mayim is not in this?

Because she was being interviewed along with Kari Byron from Mythbusters by CNN at that time they were being interviewed by Ausielo. But there was a comic con interview where the cast were complete and Mayim was sitting far away from Jim and she's reaaaaaaaaaaally quiet, and that it's Kaley, Simon, and Kunal who were being REALLY chatty. They are like, the extroverts and they really would speak up first on every question. Mayim, Melissa and Johnny would only answer if they were addressed while, of course, Jim is sort of the center of this universe so he would talk because most of the questions are directed at him. So, Jim does really make her less shy during these panels whenever she's sitting close to him.

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How come Mayim is not in this?

Because she was being interviewed along with Kari Byron from Mythbusters by CNN at that time they were being interviewed by Ausielo. But there was a comic con interview where the cast were complete and Mayim was sitting far away from Jim and she's reaaaaaaaaaaally quiet, and that it's Kaley, Simon, and Kunal who were being REALLY chatty. They are like, the extroverts and they really would speak up first on every question. Mayim, Melissa and Johnny would only answer if they were addressed while, of course, Jim is sort of the center of this universe so he would talk because most of the questions are directed at him. So, Jim does really make her less shy during these panels whenever she's sitting close to him.

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Because she was being interviewed along with Kari Byron from Mythbusters by CNN at that time they were being interviewed by Ausielo. But there was a comic con interview where the cast were complete and Mayim was sitting far away from Jim and she's reaaaaaaaaaaally quiet, and that it's Kaley, Simon, and Kunal who were being REALLY chatty. They are like, the extroverts and they really would speak up first on every question. Mayim, Melissa and Johnny would only answer if they were addressed while, of course, Jim is sort of the center of this universe so he would talk because most of the questions are directed at him. So, Jim does really make her less shy during these panels whenever she's sitting close to him.

 

Hmmm sitting beside in a group situation interview... I wonder if we should read too much into it..to me this interview of two years ago appear to be rather casual and more natural than what they usually do when more formal interviews are set out recently.

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I also found that sentence very confusing, I don't know if it was the reporting or what. To be honest, I think that the reason why it sounds so weird is that I don't think Jim himself really understands what's going on with Sheldon right now. He gets given a lot more sex-lines than ever before, and he gets given an episode like 6x14, but at the same time he gets a lot of contradicting stuff too, so I guess it's hard for him as an actor to figure out what's going on in Sheldon's head and give a definite answer about where he is at on the sexual attraction/lust scale. That's why that answer is so vague. I do think that he believes Sheldon IS going in that direction though, that "level you would hope" is essentially saying that it would be pretty sad if he weren't attracted to her on a physical level too. You would hope that he is attracted to his girlfriend. It would be painful to watch if that weren't the case. I don't know who would find that funny.

 

But to be honest, I don't really think that's even a question after 6x20 airs. He doesn't say it outright, but he gets pissed off at Raj for insinuating Amy can't be "used" to seduce committee members like Penny, which is pretty much saying he does think she's attractive without outright saying it.

 

Agree koops. The answer is a little weird/vague but that can be attributed to the fact that Jim is probably just as confused as we are about Sheldon's feelings/motivations. Not being privy to too many spoilers, since they get only one script at a time, I think he's speculating like us. Jim obviously ships the Shamy hard though, so I do wonder if he's getting just as frustrated as we are about Sheldon's behavior of late.

 

As for sexual attraction, I think it's there. He just doesn't quite know what to do with it yet.

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I think it's just that Mayim isn't one to speak out if the question isn't directed at her, that's all. She IS socially awkward, by her own admission. Even next to Jim like yesterday she doesn't really say much. Some people are just more outgoing than others. I think that's why she writes so much, it's probably her way to outlet stuff.

 

I was just thinking whether the ep that's taped tomorrow might be a shout-out to 3x14: the one where Sheldon's going nuts over his work and doesn't sleep (with or without ball pit. I've been saying for ages I want Shamy in the ballpit! LOL).

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I think it's just that Mayim isn't one to speak out if the question isn't directed at her, that's all. She IS socially awkward, by her own admission. Even next to Jim like yesterday she doesn't really say much. Some people are just more outgoing than others. I think that's why she writes so much, it's probably her way to outlet stuff.

 

I was just thinking whether the ep that's taped tomorrow might be a shout-out to 3x14: the one where Sheldon's going nuts over his work and doesn't sleep (with or without ball pit. I've been saying for ages I want Shamy in the ballpit! LOL).

 

Yes, yes. A thousand times yes!

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Thanks for the red-carpet interview! I love how Jim showers praise on Mayim at every opportunity he gets, and tells everyone what a joy it is to 'go through that' (th whole Sheldon/Amy process) with her.  :wub:

 

I haven't watched the full panel yet, haven't got a chance yet to install chrome, download and watch. The little bits of MaJim interaction are heaven, of course. From his body language, it really does like he's 'excluding' everyone else, even if he doesn't mean to. It occurred to me that he may also be feeling especially protective and considerate towards her because he knows she's been going through a hard time in her life lately, which might be one reason for his giving so much attention to her, apart from just enjoying her company.

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Because she was being interviewed along with Kari Byron from Mythbusters by CNN at that time they were being interviewed by Ausielo. But there was a comic con interview where the cast were complete and Mayim was sitting far away from Jim and she's reaaaaaaaaaaally quiet, and that it's Kaley, Simon, and Kunal who were being REALLY chatty. They are like, the extroverts and they really would speak up first on every question. Mayim, Melissa and Johnny would only answer if they were addressed while, of course, Jim is sort of the center of this universe so he would talk because most of the questions are directed at him. So, Jim does really make her less shy during these panels whenever she's sitting close to him.

 

Seems a bit strange that they did not wait for her!?

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Good morning. Wow, so much discussion over night :)

 

Anyway, going back to all the scenarios you envisioned (attack/asking for more physicality): the thing is, my favorite moments are the moments were Sheldon is *still* consistent with the Sheldon we know but at the same time does something that you wouldn't expect. That's why i love TIP, TFGD, TCKI etc. Because I do not see that kind of stuff coming from Sheldon, but yet he is so Sheldon. It's so boring when they stick to his stereotypical behavior, so I wouldn't really see the point in Amy confronting him about more physical contact and him acting predictably by whining about it. I'd rather they did not touch at all than have him do it and whine about it still. It's been done so many times now. I think that's part of the reason why that line in the last episode REALLY ticked me off. I've been saying for ages that I would have loved some mentions about physical contact happening off screen, but I'd rather we got none than something negative.

 

The other thing I was thinking, is that the current issue with physical contact is blown a bit out of proportion by the writers because I feel as if they don't want Sheldon to have his cake and eat it too. They had much more "normal" romantic physical contact and smitten interaction before they became official than after they became official. I think that is because the writers feel they can't let Sheldon have a girlfriend and that kind of more "normal" romantic behavior at the same time. They were paradoxically acting more like a couple in S4 then they do now: the looks, the flirting, the fact that everyone used to treat them like a couple and they used to talk about "their relationship" as if they were, the kissing, the cuddling. I totally think it's a case of the writers trying to think how they can keep Sheldon's relationship as odd as possible. Which before used to be to have a girl/friend that he acted like a boyfriend towards and now is to have a girlfriend that he keeps his distance from. 

 

Re: Mayim's comments, I believe she said their relationship is at the hand-holding stage as stated in the RA, not that they are at the RA stage of the relationship.

 

6x21 will be 2 years from their first kiss, btw. Curious to make the comparison between the 2 eps.

 

So how can they keep him IC and still move the relationship forward into physical territory?  So far the physical stuff has been reserved only for unusual circumstances.  The reason I mentioned Amy requesting hugs to be a regular thing is that something has to propel him forward, and usually it's her being a half-step ahead of him.  After he reached for her hand at the end of S5, then she started asking for hand-holding periodically.  Now that he basically asked her for a hug, she knows he's ready for another gentle nudge.  I predict they will try to keep him IC by showing that he doesn't mind doing these things with her and she knows it, but he still complains about it good-naturedly.  I think that's what they were trying to do in the last episode with the pawing comment, but it came across to a lot of people as harsh.

 

Sheldon is never going to be Mr. Mushy-Gushy (or Dr. Mushy-Gushy) but at some point the physical expression of affection will have to be a regular thing.  Otherwise their relationship will stagnate.  It would be easy to write another special occasion hug/kiss but I don't know how it gets beyond that.  Maybe the writers don't either. 

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