Ship Zone The Shamy Thread! (Season 6 Edition-Spoilers)

[ShamyFTW]

I had a thought, maybe Sheldon is irritated because he can't stop thinking about his enslavement to the hotsy totsy from Glendale!!!

[bigbangsheldon]

i hate that. i feel like they are laughing at us even though they're not when we can't get anything i don't know why.   

[stardustmelody]

Yes there is a taping and no we don't know anyone on this forum or the fan forum that are attending, so no taping report until the following week when Monique and Kellee are going.  They will likely get to see the episode being taped tomorrow during the taping they attend (they always show one of the shows that had previously taped during a taping of a new show and typically it is the one that was taped the week (or episode) before the one you attend).   So we will get a report, just a week after it tapes.   The things we will miss out on during the taping tomorrow are any behind the scenes activities going on between cast members because no one will be there to report on those. 

Edited March 18, 2013 by stardustmelody

[silverangel]

I had a thought, maybe Sheldon is irritated because he can't stop thinking about his enslavement to the hotsy totsy from Glendale!!!

 

Yes and he likes it, he loves it

That when he sees or hears her that he have warm feeling inside him, he loves it when he thinks of her  that it makes him smile to himself, he like it when he's with her, he feels that there's no one else with them, and he's afraid  that he might loose her, that he might never see her again. He's afraid of  a life without her if he don't show her how he feels this may become a possibility, and that he could have romantic relationship with her.  Those things  frustrates him  because he fears of those things, and that it would lift him from his safe place, and not being perfect.

Edited March 18, 2013 by silverangelD

[tmp]

But guess what? Sheldon was mushy-gushy with Amy in S4 (especially) and 5. Eye-coitus? You're a vixen? Given that Raj and Howard even came up with a nickname for them and Leonard was already teasing him about her being his girlfriend when they were still only texting (so they had never seen her after the coffee shop) Sheldon must have been talking about her ALL the time. And he *still* is mushy-gushy about her when she isn't around. That whole talk to Penny at the Cheesecake Factory when he then went to beat up Wheaton was him being mushy-gushy. He is mushy-gushy about lots of things he loves, he just never is about people. She could and should be the exception to that rule.

 

Of course he is never going to be overtly affectionate physically, but that doesn't mean they can't start showing him enjoying that. Exploit that shy-childlike side of Sheldon that many people love to see. I could totally see that side of him being exploited to show him starting to enjoy being cuddled for example. Or share a bed with her. They kind of did in 6x14, they should do more of that. Sheldon doesn't only have the grumpy side who constantly has to whine and complain about things. Of course it has to go through the kick-and-scream phase because he's proud and because of all his phobias, but we've done enough of that now I feel. That's what I'm saying. Yes, Amy hugs him, Sheldon whines. Yes, Amy wants to hold hands, Sheldon whines. Been there, done that. Is there ANYBODY who still finds that funny? Is there ANYBODY who would raise up and complain if they stopped showing that? No. As I said, even the purists are starting to want him to treat her better. Next stage would be for him to start showing he likes it but desperately trying to hide it from his friends because he's embarrassed. There's so much comedy potential in that.

 

The bottom line is, at *some* point, they need to start showing Sheldon enjoying these things. I personally think it'd be cringeworthy to watch their relationship progress through physical intimacy with him whining every step of the way. And it would make Amy look incredibly pathetic. And they can't even leave it to close to the line because then they run the risk of having to cram so much progress into a short amount of time that they'll have to resort to something stupid like them being drunk to finally get them to have sex and be in character

 

But one thing is true. They will have to change the way they go in to write Sheldon with Amy once they allow him to start liking it, and that probably is a lot of work for the writers because they are so used to going in with a set of rules on how to write him. Which is probably why it won't happen this season, because I think they'll need some time off to think about how to do this, I don't think it's something they can easily whip up in the middle of a season. It's probably something they'll think about during a summer hiatus so they can go into the new season with a new set of "rules". My question at this stage is whether next season they're still going to roll with the paradox or change things up then. I think it's about time they change it up. I'm so tired of hearing Mayim say that the n.1 priority with their relationship is keeping Sheldon "the same". 

 

When I said he's never going to be mushy-gushy, I mean he's unlikely ever to want the two of them draped over each other all the time.  He's always going to be somewhat reserved.  I want the writers to put Amy in the special category with only Sheldon's mother and mee-maw of people to whom Sheldon is utterly devoted--and I think they are.  In that Valentine's Day ep, he looked at her with such adoration.  ITA that it's just about enough with the whining.  I hope the writers realize when enough is enough, like they did with Amy's girl crush on Penny.  It's time to grow him up a bit more.  I absolutely believe they can have him and Amy adorably testing the waters with physical affection and do it IC.

 

My question is:  since they've made him so resistant, how do they transition him into regular physical contact?  The writers need to show change occurring, likely the result of some precipitating event.  What would that event be?  So far, the physical contact has been special occasions only and hasn't really turned into a habit.

 

Spook, I hope you're not soured on their whole relationship.  You're sounding pretty disillusioned with it.

[silverangel]

Yes there is a taping and no we don't know anyone on this forum or the fan forum that are attending, so no taping report until the following week when Monique and Kellee are going.  They will likely get to see the episode being taped tomorrow during the taping they attend (they always show one of the shows that had previously taped during a taping of a new show and typically it is the one that was taped the week (or episode) before the one you attend).   So we will get a report, just a week after it tapes.   The things we will miss out on during the taping tomorrow are any behind the scenes activities going on between cast members because no one will be there to report on those. 

 

So he will have taping report next thursday  but it will not be as detailed as Monique and Kelly report   And 2 week for next episode       

[silverangel]

When I said he's never going to be mushy-gushy, I mean he's unlikely ever to want the two of them draped over each other all the time.  He's always going to be somewhat reserved.  I want the writers to put Amy in the special category with only Sheldon's mother and mee-maw of people to whom Sheldon is utterly devoted--and I think they are.  In that Valentine's Day ep, he looked at her with such adoration.  ITA that it's just about enough with the whining.  I hope the writers realize when enough is enough, like they did with Amy's girl crush on Penny.  It's time to grow him up a bit more.  I absolutely believe they can have him and Amy adorably testing the waters with physical affection and do it IC.

 

My question is:  since they've made him so resistant, how do they transition him into regular physical contact?  The writers need to show change occurring, likely the result of some precipitating event.  What would that event be?  So far, the physical contact has been special occasions only and hasn't really turned into a habit.

 

Spook, I hope you're not soured on their whole relationship.  You're sounding pretty disillusioned with it.

 

Yeah good question. I wonder how they will do it. If he feels awkward in situations like hugging and more... he has no experience and he has his germ phobia. They need to show his slow change but not to slow.  They must figure out a way how he will deal with it, but it may not last until the end of the show

[stardustmelody]

When I said he's never going to be mushy-gushy, I mean he's unlikely ever to want the two of them draped over each other all the time.  He's always going to be somewhat reserved.  I want the writers to put Amy in the special category with only Sheldon's mother and mee-maw of people to whom Sheldon is utterly devoted--and I think they are.  In that Valentine's Day ep, he looked at her with such adoration.  ITA that it's just about enough with the whining.  I hope the writers realize when enough is enough, like they did with Amy's girl crush on Penny.  It's time to grow him up a bit more.  I absolutely believe they can have him and Amy adorably testing the waters with physical affection and do it IC.

 

My question is:  since they've made him so resistant, how do they transition him into regular physical contact?  The writers need to show change occurring, likely the result of some precipitating event.  What would that event be?  So far, the physical contact has been special occasions only and hasn't really turned into a habit.

 

Spook, I hope you're not soured on their whole relationship.  You're sounding pretty disillusioned with it.

 

Yes I agree they have to remove him from being so resistant, especially when it is making less and less sense.  Why say what he did in 6.14 episode to Leonard and Penny and then suddenly do such an about face.  It make no sense at all.  That would have been a perfect pivoting episode to have him begin to show little signs of attempting new things and trying to do small things.  A small touch on the shoulder to get her attention, a small touch of removing an eyelash from her face, etc.   Just little things, small tender things that are not groping each other on the couch.   I really think the writers need to get there.

 

I feel Spook's frustration and agree with her about it.  I am frustrated as well.  Willing to be disillusioned and give up on Shamy?  No, not by a long shot.  I still love them, but don't want to see them be ruined because of writing so focused on trying to keep Sheldon the same that it sacrifices a character that we have grown to love (Amy).   It makes you not want them together which defeats the purpose of bringing that character on in the first place.   The whole point of Amy was to give Sheldon a love interest, so let Sheldon fall in love and start to show he is in love to his woman.  He can still be reserved and have all of the other characteristics about him that make him who he is, but we want to see him be different with Amy...being the man he wants to be with her.  Otherwise it is all in vain.

[ShamyFTW]

When I said he's never going to be mushy-gushy, I mean he's unlikely ever to want the two of them draped over each other all the time.  He's always going to be somewhat reserved.  I want the writers to put Amy in the special category with only Sheldon's mother and mee-maw of people to whom Sheldon is utterly devoted--and I think they are.  In that Valentine's Day ep, he looked at her with such adoration.  ITA that it's just about enough with the whining.  I hope the writers realize when enough is enough, like they did with Amy's girl crush on Penny.  It's time to grow him up a bit more.  I absolutely believe they can have him and Amy adorably testing the waters with physical affection and do it IC.

 

My question is:  since they've made him so resistant, how do they transition him into regular physical contact?  The writers need to show change occurring, likely the result of some precipitating event.  What would that event be?  So far, the physical contact has been special occasions only and hasn't really turned into a habit.

 

Spook, I hope you're not soured on their whole relationship.  You're sounding pretty disillusioned with it.

I think someone mentioned that Amy tell Sheldon that she would like to amend the RA to include a good night hug.  That's seems like a good idea.  Or, she could just take it upon herself and start giving Sheldon a kiss on the cheek when they part.  Something small that he could start to grow use to.  I dunno

[stardustmelody]

Personally, I would rather Sheldon make the suggestion they amend to add these elements because otherwise it appears that Amy is "pushing" again.   For once, I would like to see Sheldon take initiative.

[Shamynatress]

slightly off topic.....  (apologize for that please!):

 

 

Are there any German Sharmy's arround here besides me?   

[tmp]

I think someone mentioned that Amy tell Sheldon that she would like to amend the RA to include a good night hug.  That's seems like a good idea.  Or, she could just take it upon herself and start giving Sheldon a kiss on the cheek when they part.  Something small that he could start to grow use to.  I dunno

 

That was my thought, but it was unpopular.  I don't see him making the suggestion and it being IC just yet, though maybe they could do it.

 

You guys who are upset, it sounds like it's mainly just the pawing comment that's bothering you, with possible concerns about a line coming up in the next episode.  Am I right, or is there more?  The way I see it, even considering the pawing comment as rude, he has still been pretty good to her this season overall.  I don't think we can take one comment in one episode as indicative of the new direction of the show.

[rachelshamyfan]

The pawing comment annoyed me at first but then I watched it again and amy didn't seem upset so I took it as Sheldon just being all sheldony, overall im happy with how things are going between them

Edited March 18, 2013 by rachygd

[silverangel]

Yes I agree they have to remove him from being so resistant, especially when it is making less and less sense.  Why say what he did in 6.14 episode to Leonard and Penny and then suddenly do such an about face.  It make no sense at all.  That would have been a perfect pivoting episode to have him begin to show little signs of attempting new things and trying to do small things.  A small touch on the shoulder to get her attention, a small touch of removing an eyelash from her face, etc.   Just little things, small tender things that are not groping each other on the couch.   I really think the writers need to get there.

 

I feel Spook's frustration and agree with her about it.  I am frustrated as well.  Willing to be disillusioned and give up on Shamy?  No, not by a long shot.  I still love them, but don't want to see them be ruined because of writing so focused on trying to keep Sheldon the same that it sacrifices a character that we have grown to love (Amy).   It makes you not want them together which defeats the purpose of bringing that character on in the first place.   The whole point of Amy was to give Sheldon a love interest, so let Sheldon fall in love and start to show he is in love to his woman.  He can still be reserved and have all of the other characteristics about him that make him who he is, but we want to see him be different with Amy...being the man he wants to be with her.  Otherwise it is all in vain.

 

I agree. They need to start from small things like you said, gentle and affectionate gestures, like a touch of her hand by accident, and after eating dinner: "Amy you have to wipe  right here again,  here...let me do it" something like that..   He should not be afraid to look at her with admiration like he was discover her again and again on every day because she's so incredible person and misterious woman.

They need to come up and play it really well, very ingeniously and  clever, not to ruin so sweet and unique couple.

Drop hollows out rock,  so they must show that drops 

Edited March 18, 2013 by silverangelD

[koops]

When I said he's never going to be mushy-gushy, I mean he's unlikely ever to want the two of them draped over each other all the time.  He's always going to be somewhat reserved.  I want the writers to put Amy in the special category with only Sheldon's mother and mee-maw of people to whom Sheldon is utterly devoted--and I think they are.  In that Valentine's Day ep, he looked at her with such adoration.  ITA that it's just about enough with the whining.  I hope the writers realize when enough is enough, like they did with Amy's girl crush on Penny.  It's time to grow him up a bit more.  I absolutely believe they can have him and Amy adorably testing the waters with physical affection and do it IC.

 

My question is:  since they've made him so resistant, how do they transition him into regular physical contact?  The writers need to show change occurring, likely the result of some precipitating event.  What would that event be?  So far, the physical contact has been special occasions only and hasn't really turned into a habit.

 

Spook, I hope you're not soured on their whole relationship.  You're sounding pretty disillusioned with it.

 

Sorry, I know I sound really negative this past week, but I'm not disillusioned. I'm just a bit frustrated. Stardust pretty much answered for me. Like I said, my sudden frustration stems from the fact that I felt the relationship had really good momentum throughout the first half of the season and I felt it was building up to something. I was incredibly pleased with Sheldon's progress. To me it all kind of suddenly grounded to a halt the moment she went to hug him in the V-day episode and has continued ever since, particularly with the latest ep and the comments we've heard at Paley from everyone but Chuck. There was momentum going into that V-day ep. And I think they knew it too because they had something on there that was more than what we got, I'm sure. And they cut it. And they kind of lost momentum, imo. Why? That's what I'm wondering. Why did we go from putting the card out there that Sheldon is working on physical contact to 3 episodes in a row where they're making a point that Sheldon does not want physical contact ("I heard you the first time", the pawing line, "coitus is ridiculous and off-putting"?). It's 3 eps in a row. Either there's a reason for that, like we speculate about him maybe being overwhelmed, and it will come out in the finale, or my guess is that they've heard about renewals and they now want to backtrack on the progress Sheldon's made. I'm just worried that they really love this Amy-pushing/Sheldon-dragging-his-feet thing and that this is all we're going to get for another year or two.

 

Re: your question, imo, that already happened with the hand hold last year. To me, that's what it was all meant to be about: him initiating physical contact, wanting it, albeit on a subconscious level. But they backtracked in 6x02. After that, the hug in 6x14 was a perfect precipitating event: he was upset, she comforted him, he liked it and asked for more. On V-day, they had another precipitating event: she was overwhelmed by his gift, she hugged him, perfect occasion to get the ball rolling and show that after 6x14 he is now starting to like hugging. Nope. He gets exasperated and they even cut the knee-pat. So now we're back to square 1: Sheldon doesn't seem to enjoy physical contact, we need another precipitating event. And then? Are they going to backtrack on yet another event? 

 

I think the perfect precipitating event right now, like we keep saying, is for her to go away. He will miss her physically and then next season they can start afresh with a Sheldon who's now aware of the importance of her being present physically and wanting to start being closer to her on that level. But I don't know if they want him to "change" next season. 

 

ETA: I just want to emphasize that my rants lately are merely me preparing for the worst case scenario I'd rather prepare for the worst and be pleasantly surprised than the other way around. And I blame Majim in all of this, damn them! They can't give me that kind of contrast! LOL. 

Edited March 18, 2013 by koops

[Shamynatress]

okay, I have been struggeling a bit, but I need to get this out of my system.

 

Saturday night I had a Big-Bang-Marathon Party with some colleagues at my place. They all love TBBT but are no Shamy's, Lenny's, Majim's, etc.....

We watched Season 6, episode 9 to 19 (Parkingspot to actual). They where totally overwhelmed and exited by the interactins of the Shamy and almost cracked up inbetween (of course  ). I asked them about theire feeling for the Shamy development and they were totally positiv. Although I mentioned that IMO the comments of Sheldon in 6.19 were not that nice. They did not bother at all and said they can't see the further development.

 

This made me think: 

Are we (I mean us, knowing the Shamy to our bones, analizing, questioning, again analizing and rehearsing) meanwhile caught in this process too much? So that we start to interprete, re-interprete, think in, think out and try to understand the characters too much? Like: Sometimes a snarky and not nice comment is just a comment. 

 

What want's me to share these thoughts with you is that I see a lot of my loveley Shamy-Fellows turning upset, sad and angry with this, in our eyes, sometimes unsatisfying development of the relationship. Think back to S5 at this state. We would all have gone berserk with the information we have now. 

 

And I do not think it helps trying to overanalyze interviews or comments. That, as we have seen in the last days, make things sometimes worse, sometimes better, deppending who just said what. 

 

I agree, we NEED the SIK! And I hope we will get it. But I just do not want us to go totally nuts about it    

 

Love ya guys!  

 

ps: If Sheldon does not Kiss Amy this Season, I am flying to LA and will be KISSING her myself!!!!   I SWEAR to NEIL

[koops]

Hey! I called dibs on Amy in the chat! Neil is my witness! 

[Shamynatress]

Hey! I called dibs on Amy in the chat! Neil is my witness! 

 

forget it!  first come, first serve! 

[silverangel]

I think the perfect precipitating event right now, like we keep saying, is for her to go away. He will miss her physically and then next season they can start afresh with a Sheldon who's now aware of the importance of her being present physically and wanting to start being closer to her on that level. But I don't know if they want him to "change" next season

 

I think that would be a big kick in his ass. He could have miss her,  he wouldn't  be able to stop thinking about her, he would be pulled out from his safety place.  He would have to face up to what he feels, and  how his life would look like without Amy. But without any drama. 

[stardustmelody]

Sorry, I know I sound really negative this past week, but I'm not disillusioned. I'm just a bit frustrated. Stardust pretty much answered for me. Like I said, my sudden frustration stems from the fact that I felt the relationship had really good momentum throughout the first half of the season and I felt it was building up to something. I was incredibly pleased with Sheldon's progress. To me it all kind of suddenly grounded to a halt the moment she went to hug him in the V-day episode and has continued ever since, particularly with the latest ep and the comments we've heard at Paley from everyone but Chuck. There was momentum going into that V-day ep. And I think they knew it too because they had something on there that was more than what we got, I'm sure. And they cut it. And they kind of lost momentum, imo. Why? That's what I'm wondering. Why did we go from putting the card out there that Sheldon is working on physical contact to 3 episodes in a row where they're making a point that Sheldon does not want physical contact ("I heard you the first time", the pawing line, "coitus is ridiculous and off-putting"?). It's 3 eps in a row. Either there's a reason for that, like we speculate about him maybe being overwhelmed, and it will come out in the finale, or my guess is that they've heard about renewals and they now want to backtrack on the progress Sheldon's made. I'm just worried that they really love this Amy-pushing/Sheldon-dragging-his-feet thing and that this is all we're going to get for another year or two.

 

Re: your question, imo, that already happened with the hand hold last year. To me, that's what it was all meant to be about: him initiating physical contact, wanting it, albeit on a subconscious level. But they backtracked in 6x02. After that, the hug in 6x14 was a perfect precipitating event: he was upset, she comforted him, he liked it and asked for more. On V-day, they had another precipitating event: she was overwhelmed by his gift, she hugged him, perfect occasion to get the ball rolling and show that after 6x14 he is now starting to like hugging. Nope. He gets exasperated and they even cut the knee-pat. So now we're back to square 1: Sheldon doesn't seem to enjoy physical contact, we need another precipitating event. And then? Are they going to backtrack on yet another event? 

 

I think the perfect precipitating event right now, like we keep saying, is for her to go away. He will miss her physically and then next season they can start afresh with a Sheldon who's now aware of the importance of her being present physically and wanting to start being closer to her on that level. But I don't know if they want him to "change" next season. 

 

ETA: I just want to emphasize that my rants lately are merely me preparing for the worst case scenario I'd rather prepare for the worst and be pleasantly surprised than the other way around. And I blame Majim in all of this, damn them! They can't give me that kind of contrast! LOL. 

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Yes to all above.   It is just that they made such progress up until the hug on V-day and it has been back tracking since.   That, coupled with the way they responded at Paley Fest, almost sounding like they didn't know if they were ever going to consummate their relationship.  What was that about?   Of course they have to or why bother putting these two together. It would be painful to see Amy never get a payoff for her patience.   I am not talking this season, but the series.   My gut is telling me they were moving along at a decent pace because they were planning to lead to either an ILY or a SIK  on V-day and then one of the two at the end of the series (if kiss the ILY or the other way around).   But they probably heard they were going to be extended beyond Season 7 and so immediately put on brakes and backtracked in order to buy more time.  But as a viewer that is frustrating.  I would rather they just say that and own up to it.   But since we don't know that for certain, it comes across like they don't know what they are planning or doing with these characters which is really unsatisfying.   As I said, the entire purpose of Amy was to give Sheldon a love interest and someone like him.   But they certainly haven't been playing it very well in the most recent episodes.  It is almost as if he is growing weary of her than enjoying her.  And he almost treats her more as a sister than a girlfriend.   So something has to change to make it seem that he is just as invested in their relationship as she is.  They started to do that in 6.14 when he talked to L/P, but since it has been downhill.  

 

I am still very much a Shamy advocate, but that doesn't mean I can't see loads of room for improvement from the writers.

[BlitherBlat]

Sheldon is a logical being.

So maybe Shamy will NEVER make-out on the couch. Never kiss, cuddle or hold hands out of simple affection. This behaviour is illogical after all.

Doesn't mean they won't have sex though! There's a payoff to that (a huge rush of endorphins, 'very satisfying').

Holding hands IS sweaty, can be uncomfortable and give you a dead arm if it's for the whole duration of a movie.

Hugging, kissing, meh! What for? Where's it going? In the context of foreplay it's necessary, not necessary otherwise.

Taking the feminist angle, anyone unhappy with a woman being 'pawed' against her will needs to afford Sheldon the same rights.

He's said it himself, he's no-one's 'snuggle bunny'!

[stardustmelody]

I re-read Kath's story "The Double Girlfriend Dissent" last night and kept thinking how it would be funny to see Sheldon react to Amy cutting off all communication like she did in that story.  It would be so funny to see him freak out as he did in that story.  It is one of my favorite shorter stories to read.   So cute.

[stardustmelody]

Sheldon is a logical being.

So maybe Shamy will NEVER make-out on the couch. Never kiss, cuddle or hold hands out of simple affection. This behaviour is illogical after all.

Doesn't mean they won't have sex though! There's a payoff to that (a huge rush of endorphins, 'very satisfying').

Holding hands IS sweaty, can be uncomfortable and give you a dead arm if it's for the whole duration of a movie.

Hugging, kissing, meh! What for? Where's it going? In the context of foreplay it's necessary, not necessary otherwise.

Taking the feminist angle, anyone unhappy with a woman being 'pawed' against her will needs to afford Sheldon the same rights.

He's said it himself, he's no-one's 'snuggle bunny'!

 

You can be a feminist and still enjoy romantic touch and love.   Sure they may seem illogical if you are thinking with your head instead of heart.   Bottom line, Sheldon needs to let go and let his heart drive him at times, especially when it comes to Amy.  We see glimpses of that heart now and again.  Just like the sweet way he pleaded with Penny to "not hurt his friend".   I don't think we are asking for them to behave like normal couples that grope and paw at each other, but we are asking for sweet, tender moments.  There is quite a difference between the two.

[Catlina]

I want  a Shamy payback. All I want is Sheldon showing his love to Amy like never before because of all this backtracking. We have been waiting for so long something special. I want Sheldon to make his scientific paradigm about his love to Amy and vice versa and chew it. He can make scientific calculations, theories and equations about the love between him and Amy and then have Amy to check if it's fine. All I want that could make it for his mind reasonable to have a real relationship with her, if nothing else does. I wish I could say to Sheldon, go study what love is, do it in your way.   But even more than that, he need a kick to his butt in a way or another to understand the situation now.

[stardustmelody]

Cat, seeing your avatar makes me smile.  I so miss Amy playing harp.   I understand why she can't...but it doesn't mean I don't miss it.   That is a great avatar.

Edited March 18, 2013 by stardustmelody