Ship Zone The Shamy Thread! (Season 6 Edition-Spoilers)

[silverangel]

THANK YOU GUYS FOR DEFFENDING SHAMY ON CLOSET TREAD. YOU ARE OUR HERO.

I just couldn't even read that. It depresses me. Why they have to be so mean. Telling that we don't have happy life with love that we need to shipping fiction characters...On the contrary our private life has nothing to do with the show. It's so sad, that someone doesn't know us and said such thing.

[koops]

LOL I love the assertion that someone who comes on a board to discuss and ship fictional characters from a show they love has a sad life. As opposed to those who come on a board to hijack every single thread to bitch about a show they hate. Oh, the irony of life. 

[Shamynatress]

LOL I love the assertion that someone who comes on a board to discuss and ship fictional characters from a show they love has a sad life. As opposed to those who come on a board to hijack every single thread to bitch about a show they hate. Oh, the irony of life. 

 

well, guess who the more happy little bunnys are in this ironic life 

[silverangel]

Our life is full of love on the contrary to those who bitchin every time that something is not on their opinion

[AdorkablyMe]

http://www.kveller.com/mayim-bialik/happy-birthday-to-jim-parsons-a-true-mentsch/

[Pomita]

I'm hardly visiting the episode threads now. They seem to devolve into sad anarchy after a few days past the respective episodes.

 

Good for those of you who bothered to argue for rationality there!

 

And Keie, let it be said.. I'm beginning to platonically love you for your posts.

 

 

LOL I love the assertion that someone who comes on a board to discuss and ship fictional characters from a show they love has a sad life. As opposed to those who come on a board to hijack every single thread to bitch about a show they hate. Oh, the irony of life. 

 

Cheers to that. :D

[Berliner]

Hmm, I'm new here but I think that both sides (Shamys and the critics) have valuable arguments. I can understand that many here are somehow disappointed with the direction this show is headed, me included. Still, we remain fans of the TBBT, 'cause let's face it, TBBT is still the best comedy show out there. Personal insults don't help anywhere and derail the thread(s), which is really unfortunate.

 

EDIT: grammar

Edited March 31, 2013 by Berliner

[CaitAmber]

Feel the urgent need to share this:

 

 Who is Cinnamon & who is Brown Sugar? (and don't say the HR-Lady)

Shamy Honey Butta'. 

I have no idea why, but that cracks me up. 

[phantagrae]

I don't know how much they've decided already about the finale, but I do think in general we give the writers too much credit for how much they have planned in advance.  A couple of years ago I heard that the writers of 'House' had no idea how they were going to resolve a major cliffhanger until they reconvened to write the next season.  (House committed a felony in the finale and they ended up starting the next season with a 1-year time lapse, with House having been in prison.)  The TBBT writers have said they didn't really plan when they introduced Bernadette and Amy where they were headed with the relationships or even that they planned to keep the characters around. 

 

Remember the interview with JG when he said BP told him the writers were trying to find a way to get Penny to say ILY to Leonard?  If I had to guess, I'd say it's the same kind of thing; they have X and Y in mind that they want to happen and it's just a matter of how to make it happen.  If that's the case, I hope X=Raj makes progress talking to women and Y=SIK or SIH.

I think that they do probably have the idea of where they want to go in general, but they simply have banged out the scripts.

I agree with the idea that they know that they want to do X and Y and maybe they know they want to leave Z for later, etc.

In the interview that Jim did by himself for the Paley Institute back in 2010 or so, I think it was, he said that one of the reasons they get time off at certain points is to let the writers "catch up" and that while the cast may not be filming, the writers are still working during that time.

So I'm not really worried. I figure that while pages are still being written, I'm sure they've been talking about it and maybe outlining what they want to do in the last two episodes.

[CaitAmber]

In response to people talking about the trolls that always take over the episode threads: 

[Shamynatress]

Hmm, I'm new here but I think that both sides (Shamys and the critics) have valuable arguments. I can understand that many here are somehow disappointed with the direction this show is headed, me included. Still, we remain fans of the TBBT, 'cause let's face it, TBBT is still the best comedy show out there. Personal insults don't help anywhere and derail the thread(s), which is really unfortunate.

 

EDIT: grammar

 

Korrekt! TBBT is wohl die beste Comedy der letzten Jahre. In deutscher Synchro aber unerträglich...........

 

Welcome to the forum Berliner! I agree, personal insults do not belong here. This is a place of fun and geekiness  . 

[koops]

I don't think it's a matter of Shamy vs critics to be honest. I'd like to think that it's people who currently enjoy the show vs people who currently don't enjoy the show. There are plenty of people who currently enjoy the show who are not Shamys.

[BangerMain]

Oh Lord.....I was just reading 'that other' thread and hahaha. The things that people are accusing Sheldon of this season, lol, they are things he's done from the very BEGINING.

 

Misogeny: (Because of Alex) Umm, hello! Sheldon treats everyone he thinks isn't smarter then him, and that's pretty much EVERYONE, like that. "Oh but wait....he blamed it on her ovaries"....yeah, and he blamed Penny's irritation with him at the grocery store in season1 on her being on her period, soooooo. Not new. Also, when was uncomfortable with Alex's flirting with Leonard who did he go to for advice again? uh huh that's what I thought.

 

Racist: HE HANGS OUT WITH A JEW AND A MAN FROM INDIA!  "Well, he made those comments to the HR lady." Okay, have you met Ms. Mary Cooper. Sheldon's beloved by all mother? She is the Queen of inappropriate comments about other people's races. "I made chicken. I hope that's not one of the animal's you people think is magic." Sheldon isn't racist. He just doesn't have a good grasp on what's offensive. Like when he brings up Raj's Indian heritage. He sincerely thinks he's trying to help or making an attempt to be friendly. He's just doing it wrong. 

 

Sheldon's OCD has gotten worse: Again......IN THE SECOND EPISODE OF THE FIRST SEASON HE BROKE INTO A WOMAN"S HOME AND CLEANED IT FOR HER. Your argument is invalid after that.

 

He's gotten meaner to Amy: Oh for cripes sake.......how? Please, someone tell me, how? "Well, he kept the one gift for himself that he really liked out of the V-gifts." And gave her something she would cherish more. His trust in her and his trust in their relationship that he believes they are going to be together for a long time. "He didn't want to spend time with her at Howardette's party". She DIDN'T care. She understood his need to fix the closet.

 

I swear......

 

This post is not directed at anyone here, btw. I just needed to get this off my chest.

 

No, I think part of it was directed at me.

 

Let me assure you I'm no hater of the Shamy. I find it the most fascinating "romantic" relationship in TV that I can recall. It's creators are on record as thinking the same thing.

 

What intrigues me is a technique that the writers are using to accomplish a goal. This is what I wrote:

 

I, for one, am fascinated on a story line level. TPTB seem to want to prove that Sheldon is not going to be changed by Amy any time soon and she is patient beyond belief with how abusive he has now become. What I don't understand is why have his attitude become so abrasive to everyone, especially women, the last half dozen episodes.

 

It is surely part of a plan to slow down the maturing of Sheldon and they are making sure that we fans know it by making a concentrated effort to show all the traits that we have associated with the child-like Sheldon over the years.  They had him brought up on charges for sexual harassment (he did not have a clue why) just to drive this point home. They have made him so immature in the last few episodes, even the Shennys can't love him.

 

I'm now certain that TPTB have a path they are following to a worthy goal. We just have to sit tight and wait for it to unfold.

Edited March 31, 2013 by BangerMain

[phantagrae]

I think that's true, koops. It's not as if there are arguments between the Shamys and the Lennies, for example.

I think it's that those who dislike the show as it is now tend to blame it on the relationships in general and in that Closet thread, because there were questions about Sheldon's behavior, that became the jumping-off point for everything that came after.

[phantagrae]

No, I think part of it was directed at me.

 

Let me assure you I'm no hater of the Shamy. I find it the most fascinating "romantic" relationship in TV that I can recall. It's creators are on record as thinking the same thing.

 

What intrigues me is a technique that the writers are using to accomplish a goal. This is what I wrote:

 

I, for one, am fascinated on a story line level. TPTB seem to want to prove that Sheldon is not going to be changed by Amy any time soon and she is patient beyond belief with how abusive he has now become. What I don't understand is why have his attitude become so abrasive to everyone, especially women, the last half dozen episodes.

 

It is surely part of a plan to slow down the maturing of Sheldon and they are making sure that we fans know it by making a concentrated effort to show all the traits that we have associated with the child-like Sheldon over the years.  They had him brought up on charges for sexual harassment (he did not have a clue why) just to drive this point home. They have made him so immature in the last few episodes, even the Shennys can't love him.

 

I'm now certain that TPTB have a path they are following to a worthy goal. We just have to sit tight and wait for it to unfold.

I don't think he's really been any more abrasive t others than he was back in the day. Do think that it could be a way for them to try to keep some sharp edges on him and to not conform him completely.

He's always been somewhat tone-deaf toward others and simply says what's on his mind and doesn't even understand when it's inappropriate.

That was the point of the Egg Salad ep--that he was saying these things because he thought he was helping Alex stay focused on her work, and then thought he was simply talking biology with the HR lady, having no clue that it's inappropriate to talk about such things.

This is a man who thinks nothing of tweeting about his bowel movements, etc.

He's always said rude things to Leonard, Penny, Howard, etc.

The only question is in regard to Amy, but one could look at it as him being comfortable enough around her to not worry about whether he's being rude. But again, he's often had to be prompted by others to even recognize his own rude behavior.

[koops]

No, I think part of it was directed at me.

 

Let me assure you I'm no hater of the Shamy. I find it the most fascinating "romantic" relationship in TV that I can recall. It's creators are on record as thinking the same thing.

 

What intrigues me is a technique that the writers are using to accomplish a goal. This is what I wrote:

 

I, for one, am fascinated on a story line level. TPTB seem to want to prove that Sheldon is not going to be changed by Amy any time soon and she is patient beyond belief with how abusive he has now become. What I don't understand is why have his attitude become so abrasive to everyone, especially women, the last half dozen episodes.

 

It is surely part of a plan to slow down the maturing of Sheldon and they are making sure that we fans know it by making a concentrated effort to show all the traits that we have associated with the child-like Sheldon over the years.  They had him brought up on charges for sexual harassment (he did not have a clue why) just to drive this point home. They have made him so immature in the last few episodes, even the Shennys can't love him.

 

I'm now certain that TPTB have a path they are following to a worthy goal. We just have to sit tight and wait for it to unfold.

 

I don't think they've made him immature in all recent episodes. I think Closet REALLY stood out because they wrote a very sentimental episode and put all of the humor on Sheldon, making him come across very cartoonish, imo. But in TCOI he was the most mature of the group from the beginning to the end of the episode: he said he believes in gender-blind society, he came up with the idea to go talk to girls in school, he was respectful to women in general, he called Amy and Bernadette "brilliant examples" of scientists, and at the end of the episode he was shown not to jump on his girlfriend just because she got a makeover. I think the problem with Sheldon is that the writers often use him as a plot-device, I think Egg Salad was very similar to Closet, in that that episode was all about Leonard and Alex and they needed him as a comedy relief. 

 

I am more confused about the direction they want to take with Shamy since 6x18 though, not sure whether it's, again, just coincidental that they are giving Sheldon lines that are abrasive because they think it's funny, or they actually have a plan. Sheldon was definitely maturing a lot up to 6x17, it seems a bit abrupt to suddenly want to make the point that Amy is not "changing him". But then again, they have cut something from V-day, so who knows. We won't be able to tell until the end of the season.

[eirwinrommel]

They haven't written the finale yet.

THEY HAVEN'T WRITTEN THE FINALE YET.

The taping for the finale is on April 16. THE TAPING FOR THE FINALE IS MORE THAN TWO WEEKS FROM NOW.

WHAT. IN. THE. WORLD. ARE. THEY. THINKING? WHYARETHEYDOINGTHISTOUS?????

To make you SUFFER! LOL

Edited March 31, 2013 by eirwinrommel

[eirwinrommel]

You know, it's rather hopeless to make people stop posting things like that. What with all those "freedom of speech" and the "I'm free to state my opinion" line of reasoning that exists in this world, they won't stop. And it's not as tightly moderated as the other forums so we really can't do anything about those people. But remember the number of us shamy shippers here that ARE active against those of them that are not in favor of the couple, we should not let it affect us in any way.

Yeah, don't you just hate it when others demand the same freedoms as you! Who do they think they are! Next thing you know some of them will come over here and express opinions that differ from yours... oops.

Edited March 31, 2013 by eirwinrommel

[Pomita]

As Phanta says.. I can't say I've noticed Sheldon being any more rude or abusive towards everyone in general than he's always been. His organizing closets instead of attending the party can't even be called rudeness, IMO - he was actually led into it by Howard (and presumably by Penny) because they wanted to get their work done.

 

The only remotely 'misogynist' behavior he's shown was in Egg Salad Equivalency, and it consisted of the kind of odd, inappropriate comments about female hormones etc that he's been making since day one. To offset this, it's always been kept pretty clear that Sheldon respects women for their intellectual achievements (Amy, Beverly, Plimpton, Bernadette), in fact more than he's ever respected his male friends and colleagues. In Contract Obligation, he was the one who came up with the only sane, mature suggestions and thought of calling in their own 'brilliant female scientist' friends.

[CaitAmber]

 

Koops. The "I'm hunting eggs and children/pedo/oh look there's Barry hunting children again" thing is still cracking me up. I think something's broken, I can't stop waffing. 

[keie]

No, I think part of it was directed at me.

 

Let me assure you I'm no hater of the Shamy. I find it the most fascinating "romantic" relationship in TV that I can recall. It's creators are on record as thinking the same thing.

 

What intrigues me is a technique that the writers are using to accomplish a goal. This is what I wrote:

 

I, for one, am fascinated on a story line level. TPTB seem to want to prove that Sheldon is not going to be changed by Amy any time soon and she is patient beyond belief with how abusive he has now become. What I don't understand is why have his attitude become so abrasive to everyone, especially women, the last half dozen episodes.

 

It is surely part of a plan to slow down the maturing of Sheldon and they are making sure that we fans know it by making a concentrated effort to show all the traits that we have associated with the child-like Sheldon over the years.  They had him brought up on charges for sexual harassment (he did not have a clue why) just to drive this point home. They have made him so immature in the last few episodes, even the Shennys can't love him.

 

I'm now certain that TPTB have a path they are following to a worthy goal. We just have to sit tight and wait for it to unfold.

No. In all honesty, no part of my post was directed at one person. It was simply a menagerie of different posts. If you felt singled out, I'm sorry. 

 

My whole point is that IMO, from what *I'm* seeing, Sheldon is staying true to form. HIs main character hasn't changed. He is still a hard-headed, brilliant, anti-social, jerk. That's what I LOVE about him. He doesn't care what other's around him think. If he 'has a feeling, he knows it'.   

 

The 'Egg Salad' episode was more in my mind a way to point out to the audience that Sheldon is not like other people. He needs time to process things in ways that others

 don't. It was another move in the direction of "just because you think you know me, don't think you 'know me'. Just like the Kripke/Sheldon episode was. It was another insight for the audience that Sheldon is taking his time and NEEDS those moments alone to deal with well.....the world. I realize that this is only my opinion but it's the way I saw it. 'Sheldon needs time to process things'.

 

As far as Amy goes, I have said before and I will say again. Amy has had NO qualms in the past about pointing out when she thinks Sheldon has crossed a line or let him know when she 'feels' he's wrong'. So honestly, when Amy doesn't get mad...neither do I. Their relationship has evolved at this point. They are comfortable with each other. They KNOW when to get irritated at each other at when one is speaking out their...hind end.

 

I really am sorry if you took offense though or thought for 1 second I was singling you out. I truly wasn't. 

[BangerMain]

No. In all honesty, no part of my post was directed at one person. It was simply a menagerie of different posts. If you felt singled out, I'm sorry. 

 

My whole point is that IMO, from what *I'm* seeing, Sheldon is staying true to form. HIs main character hasn't changed. He is still a hard-headed, brilliant, anti-social, jerk. That's what I LOVE about him. He doesn't care what other's around him think. If he 'has a feeling, he knows it'.   

 

The 'Egg Salad' episode was more in my mind a way to point out to the audience that Sheldon is not like other people. He needs time to process things in ways that others

 don't. It was another move in the direction of "just because you think you know me, don't think you 'know me'. Just like the Kripke/Sheldon episode was. It was another insight for the audience that Sheldon is taking his time and NEEDS those moments alone to deal with well.....the world. I realize that this is only my opinion but it's the way I saw it. 'Sheldon needs time to process things'.

 

As far as Amy goes, I have said before and I will say again. Amy has had NO qualms in the past about pointing out when she thinks Sheldon has crossed a line or let him know when she 'feels' he's wrong'. So honestly, when Amy doesn't get mad...neither do I. Their relationship has evolved at this point. They are comfortable with each other. They KNOW when to get irritated at each other at when one is speaking out their...hind end.

 

I really am sorry if you took offense though or thought for 1 second I was singling you out. I truly wasn't. 

 

Oh, no offense was taken at all! You are always fair and spirited in your posts.

 

It looks like from your post above, we are in complete agreement. The writers in some of the recent episodes are trying to remind the viewers that Sheldon has not changed. I think they decided to do this after some softening of Sheldon in some of the early episodes this season. He admitted he wants to change for Amy, to overcome his phobia on touching and saying that he can see sex with Amy is in the future. Indeed I have surmised that the writers want to assure the fans who like Sheldon the way he is, that this process is not going to happen soon, maybe not for years. He is not going to spout romantic prose to her often, even if he ripped it off from "Spiderman"

 

I wonder how they are going to pull this off which is more of a technical writing problem, since Amy is now at a different point then Sheldon in the romantic timeline. This is going to cause friction between them in the future unless they have Amy turning the other cheek very often.

Edited March 31, 2013 by BangerMain

[koops]

Oh, no offense was taken at all! You are always fair and spirited in your posts.

 

It looks like from your post above, we are in complete agreement. The writers in some of the recent episodes are trying to remind the viewers that Sheldon has not changed. I think they decided to do this after some softening of Sheldon in some of the early episodes this season. He admitted he wants to change for Amy, to overcome his phobia on touching and saying that he can see sex with Amy is in the future. Indeed I have surmised that the writers want to assure the fans who like Sheldon the way he is, that this process is not going to happen soon, maybe not for years. He is not going to spout romantic prose to her often, even if he ripped it off from "Spiderman"

 

I wonder how they are going to pull this off which is more of a technical writing problem, since Amy is now at a different point then Sheldon in the romantic timeline. This is going to cause friction between them in the future unless they have Amy turning the other cheek very often.

 

That's what I'm nervous about. I don't have a problem with Sheldon moving like a snail per-se, but I do worry about the next 2+ years of their relationship being one of constant friction. While growing pains are interesting and fun to watch for a little bit, or scattered here and there, I don't think I can endure 2 seasons of friction. Friction isn't what makes Shamy fun to watch IMHO. So I hope they have something else up their sleeve if that's the route they're planning to go down. Or that they're willing to let Sheldon grow a little. Chuck did say they want to see the relationship grow, after aIt does seem bizarre to me that they would put the "possibility" out there so soon if they're not planning to do something with it. 

[eirwinrommel]

I think that the Shamy is at a decision point. Homeostasis is no longer a viable choice. As Amy pointed out in 6-15.

 

Amy: Well, what is it, then? I did everything just the way you like it.

Sheldon: You did.

Amy: Then what the hell, Sheldon? We have been going out for over two years, and I have been nothing but patient with you. I watch your dopey space movies. I signed your ridiculous contract. I even stopped wearing lip gloss ’cause you said it made my mouth look too slippery. I am the best girlfriend you’re ever gonna have. You give me one good reason why I can’t live here.

 

And she's right, objectively there's no reason they shouldn't live together. In fact I think they should because I think they need to decide if their relationship is going to continue (and advance) as a romantic on or revert to a platonic one (as Sheldon seems to want). I think that living together (even in separate bedrooms) will put their relationship through the kind of stress to determine it's romantic viability. If it passes they can proceed at a pace that is comfortable for them, if it fails they can still be friends and Amy can look for someone else who would better fit her needs.

[koops]

I think that the Shamy is at a decision point. Homeostasis is no longer a viable choice. As Amy pointed out in 6-15.

 

Amy: Well, what is it, then? I did everything just the way you like it.

Sheldon: You did.

Amy: Then what the hell, Sheldon? We have been going out for over two years, and I have been nothing but patient with you. I watch your dopey space movies. I signed your ridiculous contract. I even stopped wearing lip gloss ’cause you said it made my mouth look too slippery. I am the best girlfriend you’re ever gonna have. You give me one good reason why I can’t live here.

 

And she's right, objectively there's no reason they shouldn't live together. In fact I think they should because I think they need to decide if their relationship is going to continue (and advance) as a romantic on or revert to a platonic one (as Sheldon seems to want). I think that living together (even in separate bedrooms) will put their relationship through the kind of stress to determine it's romantic viability. If it passes they can proceed at a pace that is comfortable for them, if it fails they can still be friends and Amy can look for someone else who would better fit her needs.

 

That would be all nice and fine if it were real life. But it's a tv show where it's clear the writers aren't going to change living arrangements any time soon, because they are a staple of the show. And where Amy going off to find someone else, even if temporarily, would be extremely detrimental to the whole concept of Shamy. If anything's gotta give at this stage, it's Sheldon. Unless they want to tone down Amy back to more Sheldonesque levels, which I don't think they will do. The whole season has been full of sexual undertones with Sheldon, it's pretty clear they're moving him in that direction, slowly as it may be. I think Amy might be more relaxed if she finds out he's "working on it". Once she gets the reassurance his mind is in it, she'll wait. She's patient. She just needs to know.