Ship Zone The Shamy Thread! (Season 6 Edition-Spoilers)

[crzyqgrl]

This show is first and foremost a comedy. Even though they've added couples and sweet moments, the writers will still make jokes that belittle the relationships. I love shamy but I try not to take the show too seriously because of this. 

[ShamyFTW]

I'm going to chalk that up to Raj probably being drunk since he was talking with women around. But yeah, it was really rude. 

He was pretty much drunk this entire episode.  I thought the dinner with Howie/Bernie was funny, but he seemed right of the bat agressive. 

 

On another note, loving your signature with the karate chopping, train conductor Sheldon.

[stardustmelody]

This show is first and foremost a comedy. Even though they've added couples and sweet moments, the writers will still make jokes that belittle the relationships. I love shamy but I try not to take the show too seriously because of this. 

 

 While it is fine to be funny, it is another thing to constantly belittle and put down someone.   Amy is a very highly respected Neurobiologist, and from what I remember in seasons 4 and 5, the most like Sheldon of anyone according to him.   Yet in this latter half of the season (not the first half, but this half), he has started not only taking advantage of her love for him, but has treated her with little respect and has been belittling her.  That isn't fun to watch. I don't find it funny at all.   Comedies can be funny without constantly insulting your mate over and over, especially when that mate has been nothing but supportive, gentle and kind.   It would be different if we saw him showing her some sugar...but he doesn't.  He has distanced himself and become belittling all at the same time.  That is where it comes across mean instead of funny.

 

For example, Lucy and Ricky always competed and pulled "pranks" on each other, yet you always saw an underlying love and there was a lot of making up between them going on.   We haven't seen any of that with Shamy.   It comes across not funny like Lucy/Ricky came across.  Same with Fran and Mr. Sheffield.   There was always a love that came through even though he thought her a lunatic at times.  

 

I just want the sweet side of their relationship to show through now and again.  We haven't had much of that the entire season (other than V-Day).   While it was great to see Sheldon growing the first half of the season he has back-stepped and they have acted like they forgot completely all of that moving forward in the latter half so far.  

 

I agree that BBT is a comedy first and foremost but you can keep it funny without making it mean.   It seems they have done a great job getting Lenny back on track this season and they seem happier and sweeter, but Shamy have really fallen apart this season.   I am hoping for some good news in the next two episodes, but am not sure what we will be getting so am not holding my breath.

Edited April 5, 2013 by stardustmelody

[crzyqgrl]

 While it is fine to be funny, it is another thing to constantly belittle and put down someone.   Amy is a very highly respected Neurobiologist, and from what I remember in seasons 4 and 5, the most like Sheldon of anyone according to him.   Yet in this latter half of the season (not the first half, but this half), he has started not only taking advantage of her love for him, but has treated her with little respect and has been belittling her.  That isn't fun to watch. I don't find it funny at all.   Comedies can be funny without constantly insulting your mate over and over, especially when that mate has been nothing but supportive, gentle and kind.   It would be different if we saw him showing her some sugar...but he doesn't.  He has distanced himself and become belittling all at the same time.  That is where it comes across mean instead of funny.

 

For example, Lucy and Ricky always competed and pulled "pranks" on each other, yet you always saw an underlying love and there was a lot of making up between them going on.   We haven't seen any of that with Shamy.   It comes across not funny like Lucy/Ricky came across.  Same with Fran and Mr. Sheffield.   There was always a love that came through even though he thought her a lunatic at times.  

 

I just want the sweet side of their relationship to show through now and again.  We haven't had much of that the entire season (other than V-Day).   While it was great to see Sheldon growing the first half of the season he has back-stepped and they have acted like they forgot completely all of that moving forward in the latter half so far.  

 

I agree that BBT is a comedy first and foremost but you can keep it funny without making it mean.   It seems they have done a great job getting Lenny back on track this season and they seem happier and sweeter, but Shamy have really fallen apart this season.   I am hoping for some good news in the next two episodes, but am not sure what we will be getting so am not holding my breath.

 

I agree with you. The writers could have thought up jokes that are still in character for Sheldon but not mean to Amy. I just try to focus on the moments that aren't a joke ("It's a possibility", V-day scene, etc) in comparison to the ones tonight.

[Shamyfan]

All I have to say is

WHAT THE F SHELDON!!!

And

WHAT THE F WRITERS!?!???

My shamy heart hurts :'(

[eirwinrommel]

Once again Amy has some great lines. Though she's turning into the Rodney Dangerfield of the show.

[Superlovelexi]

I thought Shamy scenes in this episode were funniest ones of the night besides the scenes with Sheldon and Mrs. Davis.  I guess I took what Sheldon said to Amy tonight differently than lot of other fans did based on comments I'm reading here.  

 

 

Personally I love how Sheldon and Amy sat alone eating together in HIS apartment and that she has now symbolically taken Leonard's chair while they eat and talk together.  It look like a date even though their date night wasn't until Thursday so it means they don't just go out once a week they spend time together hanging out other days of week too which I like that a lot.  Also, I think its good way to get people use to the idea of Shamy living together later on by seeing them together like that so much alone in the episode instead of with other people around.  Makes their relationship seem more serious and Amy hinting at marriage and family was coy and even better because Sheldon did not totally freak out about it.  To me that shows some progress in my opinion.

 

I thought the flirtatious banter between them was adorable not meant to be hurtful from Sheldon.   But,I guess I can understand why some Shamy fans wouldn't like some of the things Sheldon said to Amy tonight.  He wasn't just Mr. Nice Guy thats for sure, but, I didn't take what he said nearly as badly I just saw it as Sheldon being SHELDON.   I felt like a lot of what he said  was meant to be coyly flattering to her.  Like how he actually made the point of saying how although he goes back and forth on the relationship, she's winning him over basically every time she compliments (or in his words worships him) and she always smiles back cause she knows what he really means to say. 

 

I feel like Shamy have their own language and you can't just look at the surface level with their words all time cause then they'll just come off abrasive, awkward and too mean, too often, but you have to break it down and hear it from Sheldon's perspective or from Amy's perspective and gauge their reaction to what the other says.  That really helps me see their meaning in a different light and makes it sweeter.

 

I know now after watching them for so long that when Amy smiles after Sheldon says something that sounds pretty rude or like its a backhanded compliment that means she knows that he really means to be complimenting her not being rude and that makes me happy cause Sheldon obviously doesn't want to hurt her feelings.  Its just like he didn't think giving Mrs. Davis the DVD of Roots was bad at first; he honestly assumed she would enjoy it and like him more because of it.  And, I think Sheldon is the same way with Amy he says things to compliment her that sound rude, but really he doesn't mean them to be a majority of the time and Amy knows that so its okay.   

 

 

I love how he said he'd rather go to date night with her than funeral service and it was simply the writers making a joke by having Amy add the long and tedious part in.  Its like they don't want to change Sheldon's character too much and make him too nice and sweet, so they try to keep that condescending arrogant attitude Sheldon's always had, but they mix it with smiles now and actions that speak louder than words. 

 

 

Like I love how Sheldon always pours Amy her tea first before pouring his own that is a kind, polite thing to do for your lady.  It was also really cute how he asks her what she thinks he should do when Leonard suggested that they don't let this tenure thing ruin their friendships together.   He always goes to Amy for her opinion because deep down he respects her and knows she has his best interests at heart. 

 

He also even said "If it makes you happy then that other stuff too." when she offered to come with him to the funeral.  He actually gave her a really sweet almost flirty smile right after he said it like he knew she would like that and she smiled back really wide too.  That made my smile too cause you can tell he did want her to come.  And, Amy is having a good influence on him by teaching him appropriate emotional responses to situations.  I think it will take time, but slowly and steadily its pretty obvious Amy is making Sheldon a better man just like Bernadette did for Howard.  And one day I'm sure Sheldon will want to marry her and have a family with her and yes EVEN COITUS cause after all he already said its a possibility.  And, he had no trouble asking her to pull her breasts out tonight LOL.  

 

I do think the writers went a little overboard on treating Amy like the "ugly duckling girl" of the group so to speak sometimes like with that comment Raj made about her basically not having much sex appeal though they used the term "sexuality" which didn't fit cause actually Amy obviously has strong sense of her own sexuality she just can't express it fully because Sheldon isn't comfortable with coitus yet. 

 

I know Amy's role on show is to be "the brainy one", Penny's "the sexy one" and Bernadette is meant to be the "cute one."  But I think its better for Amy to use her brains to woo Sheldon instead of trying to be like Penny cause its obvious Sheldon doesn't care about seeing any girl in sexy clothes instead he admires Amy's intelligence and she's knows how to use her intelligence to make Sheldon like her more.  She's done it in the past with her spaghetti with hot dogs dinner and Super Mario music the writers should let Amy do something like that with Sheldon again.  Winning Sheldon over and getting him to finally want to sleep with her or marry her is going to take a lot more than just hero worshipping him all the time.  She needs to find a way to make Sheldon miss her and want her around him more like she's done in the past.  The Valentine's Day present of pizza and star trek was a good idea, things like that will make him want to spent more time with her. 

 

Anyway, after a couple of weeks with no new episode I was just happy to have a fresh one and I enjoyed it.    Not the best one, but still good.  Actually their scenes were ones I rewatched the most tonight.  Rest of the couples tonight really had so little going on that I didn't even pay attention to them much.  It was all about the SHAMY.  Also, they seem to get the most screen time together as a couple tonight compared to the other couples and their relationship feels most complex and funny.   Leonard and Penny for example it was just about the same joke of Penny being hot again and Howard and Bernadette had squat going on tonight, so yeah watching SHAMY banter back and forth was the most fun for me.

Edited April 6, 2013 by Superlovelexi

[rachelshamyfan]

I thought all the shamy stuff was very funny and I agree with what superlexi said re the shamy as well,

Edited April 5, 2013 by rachygd

[koops]

I was mentally prepared not to be very happy with the Shamy dynamic, so I'm not even flipping. But I have to say... when I first read the very beginning of the taping report, that whole scene about the jelly fish reverting back to his asexual state, I was pretty worried it would not be coincidental symbolism. And I'm getting the feeling that they're settling into this new dynamic of Sheldon being Sheldon and Amy sitting there and taking it. I am starting to think that V-day was a tipping point where they had to decide whether to take the leap to make Sheldon grow up or not, and they decided they don't want to. I'm sure at some point they will, the question is is it going to be a fun ride? All I know is that when I am looking forward to the Shamy scenes being over so I can get to the rest of the episode, it's not a good sign for me as a shipper. And I'm not holding my breath that anything will dramatically swing my mood in the last two episodes. I think they're settled on this status-quo now and will be for a while.

 

I hope to be pleasantly surprised.

[CaitAmber]

I think I finally put my finger on what felt so off about all the Shamy interactions in this episode. 

It felt like I was watching Sheldon interact with Penny. 

[shamylove]

I think I finally put my finger on what felt so off about all the Shamy interactions in this episode. 

It felt like I was watching Sheldon interact with Penny. 

 

This is genius! Thinking back to the comment he made to Amy about how when she said something she sounded crazy...it's so the way he talks to Penny. Did the writers forget how he talks to Amy, or slip up a bit? Interesting...

[Sheldon Cooper Fan]

After the last episode, looks like the writers are going in a total different situation for Shamy than fans here would like... maybe they break up at the end of the season, what do you think? Seems to be they do not want to emphasize too much any intimacy in their relationship 

[Convict13]

I would not be surprised to see Amy cut Sheldon from her life for the last episode this season, I think it's time for her to "grow a pair."

Edited April 5, 2013 by Convict13

[koops]

After a long morning in the chat talking about it, I don't think they will break them up (because that's not the vibe I got from the comments at Paley), but I DO think we might be in for a pretty massive Amy blow up. These aren't throw-away lines anymore. They are showing us Sheldon being rude to Amy to her face (and ONLY to her face) and in this last episode she was not pleased with most of his comments. The only reason for them to do that is that they want to give Amy the reason to blow up on him in the finale. Either that, or they think this is funny and will continue on it for a while, but then I don't know what they could do with them in the finale.

Edited April 5, 2013 by koops

[Guest DroneInTheSun]

I think I finally put my finger on what felt so off about all the Shamy interactions in this episode. 

It felt like I was watching Sheldon interact with Penny. 

 

This is spot on. It's like he doesn't have any respect for Amy at all anymore, and it's sad because the reason I started shipping them in the first place is that he used to treat her differently than others. 

 

I am so disappointed with the Shamy lately. I liked the bickering in last's episode because Amy actually expressed her frustration, but now it's just getting to the point where I'm hoping a break up as a wake-up call. After The Cooper/Kripke Inversion and The Tangible Affection Proof I had such high hopes but now I just feel sad thinking about the Shamy.

[Lionne]

Did he stand up for her at all really?  He started to but once Raj replied back what he did, Sheldon backed off completely.  I found that very annoying and then having to use Raj's mother as his "example" of sexual release instead of his girlfriend standing there was insulting as well. 

 

I think that Sheldon was standing up for Amy, and the whole thing about sexual release was a build up to Sheldon leveling an insult at Raj. I think Sheldon just took a detour to make sure it *was* an insult, because he wasn't sure what Raj was implying, and if it was an insult. He confirmed it was, and Howard told him to go after Raj's mother, so Sheldon did - he re-entered the fight, and then they bickered with "your Momma" jokes until Leonard put a stop to it.

 

Unfortunately, while the acting of the lines was hilarious, and they pulled them off well, I look at the structure of the entire dialogue and there's two things I really can't tell:

 

1) Were Sheldon and Raj arguing over Raj insulting Amy, or over tenure? Raj says that he's upset that Leonard and Sheldon are using their women to make a good impression on the tenure committee, although Penny was obviously using her sexuality, while Raj didn't know what Amy was going to be using. Sheldon stopped to clarify - is that an insult? Raj said - Damn straight, it is an insult! Sheldon was not happy, Howard was like the devil on Sheldon's shoulder saying, "GO FOR HIS MOTHER!" and Sheldon was like..."Excellent idea, Raj, here is a crack about me having sex with your mother. ZING." So as far as I am concerned, after stopping to clarify that Raj was, indeed, insulting Amy, Sheldon continued on the fight in her defense. But then Leonard was all, "tenure is not worth losing our friendship over," and I was like....was that fight about tenure, Amy, both? Just testosterone? Shall we all get excited that Sheldon has locked up several more testosterone levels and apparently, magically overnight, knows how to crack "your Momma" jokes?

 

I don't know what to think or what to feel. What is happening?! Why is this scene funny even though it doesn't make any damn sense? AAGAGAGRGRGRGRRGHS.

 

2) Was Raj's insult that Amy was unattractive, or that Penny used her sexuality to get her way, but he didn't know what Amy used, because as was pointed out by Sheldon, Amy didn't have her breasts pulled out? I find it a big difference in saying, "Amy is ugly and has no sexual attributes to use to get her way" from "Amy doesn't dress or act in a manner which uses her sexuality to get her way." One says she's unattractive, the other indicates that's just not how she operates, nor what she dresses for.

 

The reason I'm confused about that in particular, and why I *don't* feel that Raj was saying Amy is unattractive is because when Sheldon said, "take your breasts out," the camera flashed back to Leonard, Penny and Raj, and Raj was standing there staring at Amy's chest and nodding along vigorously, like...YES! AMY! Show us your boobs, I want to see what's under all those layers of polyester! If Raj found Amy hideous, he would not have been actively backing up Sheldon's idea that Amy should show her breasts off like Penny did. I got more of a vibe from Raj like, "I've been happily ogling Penny's breasts, now come on Amy, take yours out so I can get a gander at those too!"

 

I don't understand the logical progression of, "Amy, yes, take out your boobs for me to look at" to "you're unattractive, why would I want to see your boobs?"

 

I feel like the whole thing just kinda dissolved into this bickering session that was just fueled by a competition and lots of emotions flying around. But overall, logically, I'm not sure that whole fight made sense. In some ways, it almost seemed more like a set up for Leonard to play leader and peacemaker, and then for them to see Barry and stop arguing with each other and band together to take on the outsider.

Edited April 5, 2013 by Lionne

[tmp]

I think that Sheldon was standing up for Amy, and the whole thing about sexual release was a build up to Sheldon leveling an insult at Raj. I think Sheldon just took a detour to make sure it *was* an insult, because he wasn't sure what Raj was implying, and if it was an insult. He confirmed it was, and Howard told him to go after Raj's mother, so Sheldon did - he re-entered the fight, and then they bickered with "your Momma" jokes until Leonard put a stop to it.

 

Unfortunately, while the acting of the lines was hilarious, and they pulled them off well, I look at the structure of the entire dialogue and there's two things I really can't tell:

 

1) Were Sheldon and Raj arguing over Raj insulting Amy, or over tenure? Raj says that he's upset that Leonard and Sheldon are using their women to make a good impression on the tenure committee, although Penny was obviously using her sexuality, while Raj didn't know what Amy was going to be using. Sheldon stopped to clarify - is that an insult? Raj said - Damn straight, it is an insult! Sheldon was not happy, Howard was like the devil on Sheldon's shoulder saying, "GO FOR HIS MOTHER!" and Sheldon was like..."Excellent idea, Raj, here is a crack about me having sex with your mother. ZING." So as far as I am concerned, after stopping to clarify that Raj was, indeed, insulting Amy, Sheldon continued on the fight in her defense. But then Leonard was all, "tenure is not worth losing our friendship over," and I was like....was that fight about tenure, Amy, both? Just testosterone? Shall we all get excited that Sheldon has locked up several more testosterone levels and apparently, magically overnight, knows how to crack "your Momma" jokes?

 

I don't know what to think or what to feel. What is happening?! Why is this scene funny even though it doesn't make any damn sense? AAGAGAGRGRGRGRRGHS.

 

2) Was Raj's insult that Amy was unattractive, or that Penny used her sexuality to get her way, but he didn't know what Amy used, because as was pointed out by Sheldon, Amy didn't have her breasts pulled out? I find it a big difference in saying, "Amy is ugly and has no sexual attributes to use to get her way" from "Amy doesn't dress or act in a manner which uses her sexuality to get her way." One says she's unattractive, the other indicates that's just not how she operates, nor what she dresses for.

 

The reason I'm confused about that in particular, and why I *don't* feel that Raj was saying Amy is unattractive is because when Sheldon said, "take your breasts out," the camera flashed back to Leonard, Penny and Raj, and Raj was standing there staring at Amy's chest and nodding along vigorously, like...YES! AMY! Show us your boobs, I want to see what's under all those layers of polyester! If Raj found Amy hideous, he would not have been actively backing up Sheldon's idea that Amy should show her breasts off like Penny did. I got more of a vibe from Raj like, "I've been happily ogling Penny's breasts, now come on Amy, take yours out so I can get a gander at those too!"

 

I don't understand the logical progression of, "Amy, yes, take out your boobs for me to look at" to "you're unattractive, why would I want to see your boobs?"

 

I feel like the whole thing just kinda dissolved into this bickering session that was just fueled by a competition and lots of emotions flying around. But overall, logically, I'm not sure that whole fight made sense. In some ways, it almost seemed more like a set up for Leonard to play leader and peacemaker, and then for them to see Barry and stop arguing with each other and band together to take on the outsider.

 

There have been several confusing things lately.  Maybe this kind of confusing dialogue is what happens when the writing happens last-minute.  I want to check and see if this is the same group of people who wrote the teleplay for TCR.

[rachelshamyfan]

Something i did like in the conversation where Sheldon had to tell Amy about cancelling date night for the memorial was at the end of the conversation they was smiling away at each other, that doesnt sound like a couple that are on the verge of breaking up as some seem to think!!!

 

Also when they were eating in the living room i didnt see anything bad about that either, Sheldon is just Sheldon and I liked how Amy helped him at the memorial by reminding him what to say and the whole sexual innuendo stuff was meant to be funny and it was and also i liked how Sheldon after all that turned to Amy to ask what he should do about whether to stay for the memorial or go home, i liked that touch

[BazingaFan]

The comment about sheldon treating her like Penny is interesting.  I'll have to see what I think when I watch it again.

 

Keep in mind that sheldon has become very comfortable with Penny over the years... perhaps this is a sign of increased comfort with Amy. That's a positive spin on it.

 

The whole "back and forth" line, to me, illustrates this whole episode. There are good parts to the shamy in this one, along with the not so good parts.  They seemed very comfortable together, sitting together in the apartment, plus, he was asking for her advice, plus, he said she had attractive qualities, plus, he made sure to tell her that he was just joking about raj's mom.

 

I think the asexual joke in the beginning did have some meaning to it.  The writers are doing something... I don't know if it's a breakup or a blowup... but something is coming, I think.  Sheldon is complex, and I actually applaud the writers for showing that this road will not be easy for him... and for amy.  In the end, though, we know what is really there... the valentine's day episode is evidence of that.

 

Don't lose hope... my gut tells me there is some kind of interesting plan in place. 

[Kiru Breezy]

Ok. Monique, you were right. I LOVED the episode.

 

Sheldon was a jerk yes, but no bigger jerk than he's been lately. Amy wasn't meek and passive.

 

It was angsty but they were also sweet moments between them. 

 

I have times when I'm upset, but last night wasn't one of them. 

 

Twas a good episode.

 

I guess looking from above and not getting tangled has allowed me to enjoy them for what they are.

[rachelshamyfan]

Jim did a great job delivering the line about getting your breasts out to Mayim, he said at paleyfest that it was hard to keep a straight face but he managed it

[silverangel]

O wow so many great posts. I have mixed feelings about it. So many thoughts were spoken here, so I just tell you what I think.

From one hand I understand that Shedon is being Sheldon when he was saying things to Amy, others were think that is an insult. I understand that he didn't want to offended her. But I know that he can say nice things and it sounds nice, not rude.

I know that there were moments where Sheldon tried to hide what he feels but I think that Amy is too smart and too briliant, and she can suspect what he feels and she knows him better than he thinks. But regardless of it all I think that she wants to hear from him what he feels in a normal way, she maybe understand that he didn't whant to be rude to her, but I think that she is tired that she needs to push him all the time, and that he still has a problem with understanding what is an insult and what isn't.
I know that he was defending her in his own way, but I have feeling that he needs to show it in more convincing way. He needs show an admiration and respect to her in front of the group, not only when they are alone.

I love how he asks for her advice and consists on her opinion (about loosing friends) and that was the moment when he show in front of the group how she is important to him, but I have feeling that it isnt enough, because that scene with Raj was so unpleasent for Amy to put it mildly. Raj was an ass and Sheldon should put him in the line.

I don't know what to think about that " take your breasts out " line. I want to think that it's the second point what Lionne said, that Raj was thinking "hey Penny showed her breasts I want to look at your", and that Sheldon thought that's just not how she operates, nor what she dresses for.

One thing I know that Sheldon admire in her other things than breasts, and that other things like her brilliance and inteligence is important to him, but I want to think that he noticed her sexual qualities and that he is sure that hers would be better than Penny's.
I also love that scene when he said to her that he preffer to spend the evening with her and that she can go with him to support him if that will make her happy, and their smiles and how she looks at him.
So I have a hope that the writers will do something like breakthrough but I'm an enthusiast of an idea that she needs to desappear for couple of ep , that he will realize how important she is for him, I want him miss her, because that's how it is in life when we can lost someone we apprectate them more.

Edited April 5, 2013 by silverangelD

[AdorkablyMe]

Keep cool my babies.

[Kiru Breezy]

The episode ebbed and flowed, but in the end, this is beneath it all:

 

 

They will get pass this weird space but its necessary. 

[Kiru Breezy]

Keep cool my babies.

 

Right on Sister! :D