Ship Zone The Shamy Thread! (Season 6 Edition-Spoilers)

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Are we really arguing over whether Amy told Penny she was going to A funeral vs. THE funeral?

[Guest DroneInTheSun]

Are we really arguing over whether Amy told Penny she was going to A funeral vs. THE funeral?

 

Seriously, though. The things you read sometimes... 

[stardustmelody]

Amy wasn't being passive???? Was I watching an entirely different show? She took blow after blow, where she was definitely not pleased with any of them, and yet raised up again to him with more praise. That gif where they smile at each other... right after he practically says to her "Oh, well, if thinking you can be useful to me makes you happy, by all means go ahead", isn't Amy being passive? He just said Date Nights are tedious (Date Nights that HE invented) as a funeral, and that all he wanted was for her to drive him and gives her this condescending smile and she smiles back like he's the cutest thing in the world? That's not being passive?  I'm sorry, but having one little smile, that to me was more of a piss-take on what he just said to her, is not enough to make me happy about their interactions.

 

I also am fed up with the whole "Sheldon is being Sheldon" excuse. I'm sure that's not the case for everyone, but what attracted ME to Shamy is that he was different with her. That they were like two humans who found each other in a world of dogs. If I wanted to watch Sheldon being a condescending jerk, I have Sheldon & Penny. Or Sheldon and Howard. Or Sheldon and most of the characters that ever cross his path. Is it too much to ask that he behaves differently with the ONE character he used to act differently towards and that HE decided he wanted to be in a relationship with? I thought they were doing just that for the first half of the season, but now every single scene with them has at least one line that is anything but pleasant. That's the big issue I have. He was NEVER this bad with Amy, he used to treat her differently and he used to consider her his intellectual equal, not his groupie. 

 

It's the total lack of consistency in the writing that really throws me off. In the same episode you have everything and the opposite of everything. The sexuality scene was absurd in the way it was written. So he gets outraged at the implication that Raj thinks Amy has no sexuality, then when Raj confirms that's exactly what he things, Sheldon just goes "Oh, ok". Oh, ok? Why does he get outraged and then once it's confirmed it's exactly what he was getting outraged about he accepts it? It makes no sense. It was like Dr. Jekill and Mr. Hyde there: you had "it's a possibility"-Sheldon get outraged and then old-Sheldon not really care about it. Which character are we watching here? I think they are using Sheldon as a plot device right now to set up their big scene in the finale where Amy blows up at him, that's why he makes no sense: because he is just a plot device right now. And no, it is not "necessary", it's lazy writing.

 

I'm really at the point where I'd rather not to see any Shamy scenes that hearing any more of these lines. I'm glad to see many others are still happy with them, but I personally am not finding this dynamic fun to watch. I might take a break from this thread just so I don't rain on everyone's parade.

Bravo!  My sentiments exactly!

[AndyRenee]

o be honest, I don't think they were implying Penny was being bitchy to Amy at all, it was probably just a look she gave that was meant to be "competitive", not unlike Amy's line of "Why is Penny here?". I do not think Penny was being a bitch towards Amy and I don't think Amy was being a bitch towards Penny. Raj on the other hand was another story: he offended Amy in 6x11 and apologized for upsetting her and there he goes making an even worse comment. I just read a review on IGN that pretty much sums up my feelings about the episode: give Amy a break, she's not a punching bag. 

If you were referring to my comment I didn't mean it that way. I do like Penny. I just was more sad about the look because I love their friendship SO much. I want them to be kind to each other, so I don't like when either of them give one another rude looks. 

Edited April 5, 2013 by GothicTexan123

[silverangel]

If you were referring to my comment I didn't mean it that way. I do like Penny. I just was more sad about the look because I love their friendship SO much. I want them to be kind to each other, so I don't like when either of them give one another rude looks. 

 

I also mean the way they both look at each other and that's it. When I wrote that they both were unpleasant  to each other I meant they both were support their men and that's why this situation were unpleasant. I have special place in my heart for Amy, and a lot of warm feelings.  I want to make it clear.

[koops]

The Penny/Amy thing doesn't even make sense in the episode's timeline. Sheldon wants to cancel date night to go to the service and Amy suggests she attends. In the next scene, Penny tells Leonard she and Amy went shopping that day for dress for Amy to wear to the funeral. The problem is that both scenes happen on the same night because Sheldon and Leonard are wearing the same clothes from earlier in the day. Both apartment sets are lit for the evening. Thus, Penny and Amy can't have gone shopping that day for something to wear to the funeral because Amy didn't know she was going yet. Maddening.

 

That is true!! I didn't even think of that. Wow. 

 

If you were referring to my comment I didn't mean it that way. I do like Penny. I just was more sad about the look because I love their friendship SO much. I want them to be kind to each other, so I don't like when either of them give one another rude looks. 

 

No, GT, I wasn't referring to yours in particular, it just seems to have spiraled out of control with these arguments about A funeral vs. THE funeral and apparent animosity between Penny and Amy that I didn't see. I love the Pamy! But I don't think one rude look means they're not best friends, Sheldon and Leonard bicker all the time. And Amy has been very condescending of Penny in the past, so I don't think one rude look from Penny means they don't love each other anymore. 

[AdorkablyMe]

Me love you long time, Shamy.

[Chrismo]

To be honest, I don't think they were implying Penny was being bitchy to Amy at all, it was probably just a look she gave that was meant to be "competitive", not unlike Amy's line of "Why is Penny here?". I do not think Penny was being a bitch towards Amy and I don't think Amy was being a bitch towards Penny. Raj on the other hand was another story: he offended Amy in 6x11 and apologized for upsetting her and there he goes making an even worse comment. I just read a review on IGN that pretty much sums up my feelings about the episode: give Amy a break, she's not a punching bag. 

 

Brought this on herself...is that some kind of competition..who is better girlfriend,  please... Amy  was with Sheldon and Penny with Leonard to support them, both Amy and Penny in her own way and  it's good, but it doesn't mean that Penny needs to look at Amy in such a contemptuous manner just because Amy does not dress like a she.

Amy were not lying to Penny, because Penny knew that Amy is going to the funeral with Sheldon. If Amy was trying to hide the fact that she is going to the funeral  she would lie to Penny.  And Sheldon also didn't knew that Leonard is going to the funeral. They all are agreed that they aren't going.

We could agree that both of them  Penny and Amy were unpleasant to each other.

When I wrote that Penny is litle bitchy I had in mind that in this season she is more vicious than ever before, not only for Amy. I do not want to argue and bring unrest. I have a right to think as I want and does not offend you. You have the right to defend Penny and I have a right to defend Amy, and everyone has an opinion on this subject. Any discussions are pointless because I'm not going to convince you to my opinion or you do not convince me to yours.

I actually agree with most of what you said. Wasn't it though a comtemptous manner  Amy asking what's Penny doing here?  You actually just defended Penny's right to be there. I'll even go along with Penny's comtemptuous look though I personally didn't see it. But that happened after Amy's question.

[silverangel]

That is true!! I didn't even think of that. Wow. 

 

 

No, GT, I wasn't referring to yours in particular, it just seems to have spiraled out of control with these arguments about A funeral vs. THE funeral and apparent animosity between Penny and Amy that I didn't see. I love the Pamy! But I don't think one rude look means they're not best friends, Sheldon and Leonard bicker all the time. And Amy has been very condescending of Penny in the past, so I don't think one rude look from Penny means they don't love each other anymore. 

 

Maybe you meant me... I'm sorry, I did not want that to sound bad for Amy and Penny.  I agree with you, and I didn't mean anythng bad...

Edited April 5, 2013 by silverangelD

[koops]

Maybe you meant me... I'm sorry, I did not want that to sound bad for Amy and Penny.  I agree with you, and I didn't mean anythng bad...

 

No I wasn't directing my post to anyone in particular, don't worry

[phantagrae]

I mentioned this in the other forum (in a much-too-long post), but I think that part of the issue with the Shamy scenes in this ep is that the writers may not have considered these interactions to be any kind of milestone in the larger Shamy arc.

Just like in TXF, inbetween Sweeps eps or Mytharc eps, M&S were free to investigate things like lake monsters and monkey babies and no one was trying to kill them, but then a Mytharc ep would come along and suddenly "You've never been closer to the truth" and "It's never been more dangerous" and they're getting chased by black government agents, etc.

 

So, I think that to some degree we're seeing the "monkey babies" equivalent here--interaction that's meant to service the comedy and the larger story line, but not meant to be part of the SHamy "mytharc", so to speak.

Now, that doesn't mean that these interactions are meaningless, but just that the writers may not be thinking of them as being all that significant in terms of the true Shamy through-line.

It's not necessarily the best way to write if you're working on an overall plan, but it does afford them a way to go for punchlines.

 

I also said that the two couples--the Lenny and the Shamy--were like funhouse mirror reflections of each other as the girls suggested ways to help the guys and talked about the competition for the position and offered to bring their individual assests to bear.

[koops]

Yes, with the difference being that in the MOTW eps they didn't deny or backtrack on the mythology. They simply did not reference the mythology. The fact that puzzles me is that if all those lines some of us are hung up about had been sweet, loving lines, nobody would be dismissing them as "throw-aways" for the sake of comedy. Everyone would be awwwwing about how lovable and in-synch Shamy are. But since they are negative we are meant to overlook them in the big scheme of things. I don't like having to do that in order to enjoy a story. That's why I'm hung up on consistency even outside of sweeps. 

[SRAM]

Come on guys, Amy busted Penny's nose and they still remained friends, just because they had little competition over helping their guys, why read too much into it.

[Guest DroneInTheSun]

Probably off topic but I don't really understand the concept of "sweeps" and it's time I step out of the darkness and admit my ignorance, hoping for some enlightenment from you guys. Please?

[phantagrae]

Probably off topic but I don't really understand the concept of "sweeps" and it's time I step out of the darkness and admit my ignorance, hoping for some enlightenment from you guys. Please?

 

It's a period where ratings are used to determine things like ad revenue, etc.  The higher the ratings during sweeps periods, the better leverage a show has for ad pricing, I think.  Anyway, it's a crucial measure for network television, so they generally put their strongest episodes on during sweeps.  Special guest stars (like Bob Newhart), cross-overs, declarations of love, marriages, deaths, babies, etc.

 

There are 3 sweeps periods during the season--November, February and May, though often the sweeps period may begin the week before.  For the upcoming one in May, the first week of Sweeps is actually the last week of April, which is why we get our last 4 eps in a row beginning that week, on the 25th.

[phantagrae]

Yes, with the difference being that in the MOTW eps they didn't deny or backtrack on the mythology. They simply did not reference the mythology. The fact that puzzles me is that if all those lines some of us are hung up about had been sweet, loving lines, nobody would be dismissing them as "throw-aways" for the sake of comedy. Everyone would be awwwwing about how lovable and in-synch Shamy are. But since they are negative we are meant to overlook them in the big scheme of things. I don't like having to do that in order to enjoy a story. That's why I'm hung up on consistency even outside of sweeps. 

 

They may not have denied the Mytharc, but they ignored the supposed iminent danger--were their lives in danger or not?  Their lives were only in danger during sweeps, otherwise, there was no one chasing them.

 

I think that Sheldon and Amy could have had a nice "sweet" conversation, but I don't think it would have been focused on growing their relationship or moving Sheldon forward because the point of the episode was the tenure competition.  If anything it would probably have been innocuous rather than romantic.  And not funny.

So, maybe he wouldn't have said something like "I go back and forth...", but he wouldn't necessarily have been declaring his love for her either.

[Guest DroneInTheSun]

It's a period where ratings are used to determine things like ad revenue, etc.  The higher the ratings during sweeps periods, the better leverage a show has for ad pricing, I think.  Anyway, it's a crucial measure for network television, so they generally put their strongest episodes on during sweeps.  Special guest stars (like Bob Newhart), cross-overs, declarations of love, marriages, deaths, babies, etc.

 

There are 3 sweeps periods during the season--November, February and May, though often the sweeps period may begin the week before.  For the upcoming one in May, the first week of Sweeps is actually the last week of April, which is why we get our last 4 eps in a row beginning that week, on the 25th.

 

Thank you for your explanation

[crzyqgrl]

I mentioned this in the other forum (in a much-too-long post), but I think that part of the issue with the Shamy scenes in this ep is that the writers may not have considered these interactions to be any kind of milestone in the larger Shamy arc.

Just like in TXF, inbetween Sweeps eps or Mytharc eps, M&S were free to investigate things like lake monsters and monkey babies and no one was trying to kill them, but then a Mytharc ep would come along and suddenly "You've never been closer to the truth" and "It's never been more dangerous" and they're getting chased by black government agents, etc.

 

So, I think that to some degree we're seeing the "monkey babies" equivalent here--interaction that's meant to service the comedy and the larger story line, but not meant to be part of the SHamy "mytharc", so to speak.

Now, that doesn't mean that these interactions are meaningless, but just that the writers may not be thinking of them as being all that significant in terms of the true Shamy through-line.

It's not necessarily the best way to write if you're working on an overall plan, but it does afford them a way to go for punchlines.

 

I also said that the two couples--the Lenny and the Shamy--were like funhouse mirror reflections of each other as the girls suggested ways to help the guys and talked about the competition for the position and offered to bring their individual assests to bear.

Exactly. I completely agree. I think the next serious shamy moment will pick up exactly where they left off. The writers just haven't done much with that arc in recent episodes.

[rachelshamyfan]

This one had good audience figures of 16.9 million

[Chrismo]

Come on guys, Amy busted Penny's nose and they still remained friends, just because they had little competition over helping their guys, why read too much into it.

You're probably right. I guess some people see what they want to hear (or see).  I should expect that though being in the Shamy thread 

[stardustmelody]

I mentioned this in the other forum (in a much-too-long post), but I think that part of the issue with the Shamy scenes in this ep is that the writers may not have considered these interactions to be any kind of milestone in the larger Shamy arc.

Just like in TXF, inbetween Sweeps eps or Mytharc eps, M&S were free to investigate things like lake monsters and monkey babies and no one was trying to kill them, but then a Mytharc ep would come along and suddenly "You've never been closer to the truth" and "It's never been more dangerous" and they're getting chased by black government agents, etc.

 

So, I think that to some degree we're seeing the "monkey babies" equivalent here--interaction that's meant to service the comedy and the larger story line, but not meant to be part of the SHamy "mytharc", so to speak.

Now, that doesn't mean that these interactions are meaningless, but just that the writers may not be thinking of them as being all that significant in terms of the true Shamy through-line.

It's not necessarily the best way to write if you're working on an overall plan, but it does afford them a way to go for punchlines.

 

I also said that the two couples--the Lenny and the Shamy--were like funhouse mirror reflections of each other as the girls suggested ways to help the guys and talked about the competition for the position and offered to bring their individual assests to bear.

 

 

I think that is more acceptable if you are talking one show here now and again, but what I think Shamy fans are upset with is that we know some of what is also coming ahead and it appears like there is a lot of similar type snarky dialog aimed at making Amy look like a doormat.   When you begin to add up several episodes in a row, it paints a whole different picture.  It no longer looks to be "throwaway" and for comedic purposes.  Or of it is, it becomes offensive to those who treasure the sweet relationship that once existed between the characters.  It isn't something that can be ignored any longer.  That is what is troubling me.   It is combining several episodes in a row of nasty remarks or attitude being given that is annoying.

 

As far as the mirror...that would be fine if Sheldon actually had brought Amy along because he felt she was an asset to him.   But in the dialog he implied he only needed her to give him the ride.  It wasn't that he was taking her because of all the things she mentioned about her "assets" such as having knowledge of the academic political environment, being a well respected scientist, etc. that he brought into consideration when bringing her with him.  That is troubling in itself.   To look at her as a mere taxi service verses a true asset.   So I don't see the mirror in that case.

Edited April 5, 2013 by stardustmelody

[Shamynatress]

I finally got to watch it and here are my thoughts (I have not read EVERYTHING in the thread up to now, so please excuse if this was already talked about):

 

First, I liked the episode. I like the sort of "couple-interaction" discussion the Tenur thingi. Raj was funny, but a bit over the top. Howard was AWESOME.

 

Sheldon was Sheldon in a more than usual disturbing way at some points. I am trying to figure out what it is, and this is more a feeling. But I feel that his narcism and egoism is the same as in the past, but the charming funny quirky side is missing. He is not as loveable anymore I think. I love him nevertheless, don't get me wrong. They made him grow up. And today I thought he is now acting like a grown-up ass.

 

Amy was gorgeous. And she (still) stands behind her man. BUT, other than in the past, when she always considerd Sheldon as being the flight risk, I get the impression she might be it at the moment. Not in a "I will break up and never come back"-way. But in a "I am reaching a point where I am fed up"-way. 

So regarding Amy, I dig the Blow-Up Theory. Maybe with a make-up kiss.

 

I think the writers are keeping themselves the possibilities open to every possible scenario in the season finale. So I have no feeling where this is going in S6. Can't wait to find out tho!

 

So all in all I really had some fun moments watching it. 

 

Kiss Kiss

[koops]

I think that is more acceptable if you are talking one show here now and again, but what I think Shamy fans are upset with is that we know some of what is also coming ahead and it appears like there is a lot of similar type snarky dialog aimed at making Amy look like a doormat.   When you begin to add up several episodes in a row, it paints a whole different picture.  It no longer looks to be "throwaway" and for comedic purposes.  Or of it is, it becomes offensive to those who treasure the sweet relationship that once existed between the characters.  It isn't something that can be ignored any longer.  That is what is troubling me.   It is combining several episodes in a row of nasty remarks or attitude being given that is annoying.

 

As far as the mirror...that would be fine if Sheldon actually had brought Amy along because he felt she was an asset to him.   But in the dialog he implied he only needed her to give him the ride.  It wasn't that he was taking her because of all the things she mentioned about her "assets" such as having knowledge of the academic political environment, being a well respected scientist, etc. that he brought into consideration when bringing her with him.  That is troubling in itself.   To look at her as a mere taxi service verses a true asset.   So I don't see the mirror in that case.

 

To be fair to Sheldon though, once they were there he did redeem himself in that he was listening to her and even asking her what he should do, meaning he did appreciate her help and advice. Doesn't make me feel better about his other lines, but that's what I mean by the inconsistency in the writing. One moment you have mature Sheldon, the next you have jerk Sheldon, the next you have sexualized Sheldon, the next you have asexual Sheldon. All in one scene. 

[AdorkablyMe]

Sheldon said he's back and forth on the boyfriend/girlfriend thing. It makes his behavior pretty obvious.

[koops]

Sheldon said he's back and forth on the boyfriend/girlfriend thing. It makes his behavior pretty obvious.

Yes, he also said he was "Quite fond of her", made her his EC and was terrified she's leave him because he's a "callous egomaniac" and "she deserves better". That line contradicts everything that happened in previous episodes.