Ship Zone The Shamy Thread! (Season 6 Edition-Spoilers)

[Guest DroneInTheSun]

You're probably right. I guess some people see what they want to hear (or see).  I should expect that though being in the Shamy thread 

 

Doesn't it tire you to be such a condescending, rude person all over the forums and especially in this thread? Seriously?

[CaitAmber]

You're probably right. I guess some people see what they want to hear (or see).  I should expect that though being in the Shamy thread 

 

[bigbangsheldon]

come the chat for sassiness like above 

[CaitAmber]

Doesn't it tire you to be such a condescending, rude person all over the forums and especially in this thread? Seriously?

I don't know why it's taken you so long to come to the thread, BUT NEVER LEAVE. I LOVE YOU.

[eirwinrommel]

Did he stand up for her at all really?  He started to but once Raj replied back what he did, Sheldon backed off completely. 

 

 

ETA:  What bothers me about his snarky comments to Amy in this episode and ones we know are following it is that it seems like Sheldon has lost respect for Amy.  That is what his remarks imply.   Not only does it seem like he isn't attracted to her, but also has no respect for her.  That is where I have the most problem.  He used to really respect her, but lately he doesn't show it or act like it.   I am sure it is all leading to where they want to go with the finale, but it isn't a pleasant journey.

No, he didn't actually defend her. He had Raj clear up what he considered an ambiguity. I was surprised. I would have thought that he would have given some defence of Amy, even if it was just a 'Hay There!' (much less a full statement  of defence) just because he's her boyfriend. 

[koops]

No, he didn't actually defend her. He had Raj clear up what he considered an ambiguity. I was surprised. I would have thought that he would have given some defence of Amy, even if it was just a 'Hay There!' (much less a full statement  of defence) just because he's her boyfriend. 

 

The whole way that sequence was written made no sense.

 

He gets outraged because he thinks Raj is implying she has no sexuality.

 

Raj confirms that's exactly what he means.

 

Then Sheldon is like "Oh, ok then..."

 

Why would he get outraged in the first place if once he gets confirmation he just backs down and doesn't bother defending her? It was written in a very awkward way.

[stardustmelody]

The whole way that sequence was written made no sense.

 

He gets outraged because he thinks Raj is implying she has no sexuality.

 

Raj confirms that's exactly what he means.

 

Then Sheldon is like "Oh, ok then..."

 

Why would he get outraged in the first place if once he gets confirmation he just backs down and doesn't bother defending her? It was written in a very awkward way.

 

Agree...which is why I said he didn't truly defend her.   He just got a confirmation from Raj is all.   Which only made the matter worse than if he had kept quiet and said nothing at all in a way.  It was that moment that bothered me far more than some of the other moments because it was so weak and pathetic.  I had hoped his defense would be one thing that would prove he does see her as attractive, but instead he just gave up and went nowhere with it.   Very frustrating.  The writing was all inconsistent and the timing of things was all off as well.  As someone posted earlier that the "girls went shopping" conversation Penny had was completely off time-wise with the scene where Amy/Sheldon are talking about going to the funeral.   It amazed me how poor this episode was from a production point of view.

[Guest DroneInTheSun]

The whole way that sequence was written made no sense.

 

He gets outraged because he thinks Raj is implying she has no sexuality.

 

Raj confirms that's exactly what he means.

 

Then Sheldon is like "Oh, ok then..."

 

Why would he get outraged in the first place if once he gets confirmation he just backs down and doesn't bother defending her? It was written in a very awkward way.

 

omg ikr? I was like "what the hell writers???"

 

 

I don't know why it's taken you so long to come to the thread, BUT NEVER LEAVE. I LOVE YOU.

 

/licks screen

[CaitAmber]

/licks screen

You and Raz should chat it up, she's our resident screen supplier.

[AdorkablyMe]

Yes, he also said he was "Quite fond of her", made her his EC and was terrified she's leave him because he's a "callous egomaniac" and "she deserves better". That line contradicts everything that happened in previous episodes.

How does it contradict everything in previous episodes? It seems to me that it explains a lot of stuff from the previous episodes.

[keie]

Okay so, I just watched the episode where Mary comes to visit and Sheldon get's irritated by her attention to the gang and not him. It occurred to me that Mary's irritation yet patience with Sheldon is much the way Amy deals with Sheldon.

 

Sheldon, has gravitated toward a woman (Amy) very similar in the way she adores and loves Sheldon but get's completely irritated by him at the same time( Mary) lol. Much like Howard and Bernadette's relationship mirror's Howard's and his mom's relationship (she ground's him, so to speak, when he's done something wrong....the X-box thing, although I wouldn't put it past Bernie to ACTUALLY ground Howard, lol), Amy and Sheldon have a similar relationship to Mary and Sheldon. 

 

Both women correct his social cues when needed.....both Mary and Amy have been seen telling Sheldon to offer a hot beverage when a friend is in crises. Both get irritated with having to explain the simplest tasks to him at times......both women have been seen to while even being shown to the point of exasperation in thinking Sheldon might 'actually be crazy', love him and believe he is worth the exasperation he drives them too. Both women have been seeing playing the "and this makes us....'.  

 

So again, I'm not worried or even upset

 

In the  Mary episode I'm referring to Mary makes a point of saying, "Sheldon you're not a little boy anymore. WE have to have a different relationship". I honestly think we're coming up on that sort of talk with Shamy. 

 

Edited to add: Also, my 13 year old boy just told me to say, "Sheldon and Amy we're made for each other".

Edited April 5, 2013 by keie

[koops]

Sheldon was attracted to Amy because he was "more similar to him than anyone he had ever met", not because he reminded him of his mother. This dynamic of Amy babysitting Sheldon is social situations is very new, especially given that she herself had little to no social skills until recently.

[stardustmelody]

Sheldon was attracted to Amy because he was "more similar to him than anyone he had ever met", not because he reminded him of his mother. This dynamic of Amy babysitting Sheldon is social situations is very new, especially given that she herself had little to no social skills until recently.

 

Agree.  He already has another "Mother" alternative in Penny.  She and Leonard have been his pseudo-parents for most other seasons and even in this season.  He doesn't need a bunch of mothers in his life.  He needs a woman who is his other half...who completes him and makes him whole, who he can love completely as a woman, not as another mother to take care of him.

[eirwinrommel]

The whole way that sequence was written made no sense.

 

He gets outraged because he thinks Raj is implying she has no sexuality.

 

Raj confirms that's exactly what he means.

 

Then Sheldon is like "Oh, ok then..."

 

Why would he get outraged in the first place if once he gets confirmation he just backs down and doesn't bother defending her? It was written in a very awkward way.

To me it implied the reason he didn't defend Amy was because he agreed with Raj. The same way Leonard didn't defend Penny when Sheldon listed his complaints against her in 4-3 (L/P were just friends at the time).

 

Sheldon: May I point out that for eight long months, I suffered in silence as your female companion filled our apartment with her off-key country music caterwauling, the unappetizing spectacle of her grinding a pumice stone against her calloused feet in our living room, and night after night of uninformative TV documentaries about the Jersey Shore.

Leonard: Suffered in silence?

Sheldon: Yes. And I’d thank you to do the same.

Leonard: Really? Silence?

 

Leonard's only dispute was Sheldon's claim that he suffered in 'silence'.

 

***

 

Later same episode

 

Penny: I thought you were going to talk to Sheldon.

Leonard: I did.

Penny: Well, what’d he say?

Leonard: Well, he pointed out that he kinda, sorta had to put up with you.

Penny: Kinda, sorta had to?

Leonard: I didn’t agree with him.

Penny: Well, you defended me, right?

Leonard: I tried, but (Penny starts rubbing her foot with a pumice stone) he made a fairly well-reasoned argument.

 

My point is that Sheldon (as Amy's boyfriend) should have defended her as having 'sexuality'.

[koops]

To me it implied the reason he didn't defend Amy was because he agreed with Raj. The same way Leonard didn't defend Penny when Sheldon listed his complaints against her in 4-3 (L/P were just friends at the time).

 

Sheldon: May I point out that for eight long months, I suffered in silence as your female companion filled our apartment with her off-key country music caterwauling, the unappetizing spectacle of her grinding a pumice stone against her calloused feet in our living room, and night after night of uninformative TV documentaries about the Jersey Shore.

Leonard: Suffered in silence?

Sheldon: Yes. And I’d thank you to do the same.

Leonard: Really? Silence?

 

Leonard's only dispute was Sheldon's claim that he suffered in 'silence'.

 

***

 

Later same episode

 

Penny: I thought you were going to talk to Sheldon.

Leonard: I did.

Penny: Well, what’d he say?

Leonard: Well, he pointed out that he kinda, sorta had to put up with you.

Penny: Kinda, sorta had to?

Leonard: I didn’t agree with him.

Penny: Well, you defended me, right?

Leonard: I tried, but (Penny starts rubbing her foot with a pumice stone) he made a fairly well-reasoned argument.

 

My point is that Sheldon (as Amy's boyfriend) should have defended her as having 'sexuality'.

 

I agree that he should have defended her. What I'm saying is that they wrote the scene as if he was outraged at first, like he was defending her, and then once it was confirmed that it was what it was, he backed off, which made no sense. It was written awkwardly. 

[Kiru Breezy]

Keie - your post was brilliant.

Characterizes the development & evolution of their relationship

perfectly.

[Kiru Breezy]

I just realized all 3 relationships mirror the boys relationships with their mom.

[Pomita]

I'm sure there has been another minor meltdown here lately (and for some reason it seems to be related to Penny/Amy as well as Sheldon/Amy).. I haven't managed to go through all of it in detail, but here's how this episode made me feel.

 

There were some Shamy parts I loved - their hanging out so casually over tea/dinner in his/her apartment after dark never gets old, they seemed to have a good comfort level, Sheldon discussed his tenure situation with her and very devotedly looked up to her advice about emotional responses, even turning to her to ask whether he should leave. And he obviously got a talking-to from her about his inappropriateness issues (mark his 'however - fine, bad'), as well as a reminder of his inability to make friends which he didn't even deny. All good signs.

 

On the other hand, some of his dismissive comments put me off. I mean two in particular - I was okay with his line expressing pleasure at her 'worshipping' him, for example, or his cluelessness at her comments about marriage and family (he didn't even say 'no' outright), or even his comment about coitus. These things just came across to me as typically Sheldonesque, and not in a particularly mean way.

 

But we all have our pet peeves, and mine is when he's somehow demeaning of her professionally or academically (which is why I can never re-watch their date scene in TSTM, even with the eye-coitus - his belittling her Neuron cover just felt too painful to me).So when he implied, in this episode, that her achievements and scientific assets didn't mean much and he was just looking for her to drive him, that rubbed me the wrong way. I mean, where's the respect? Just two episodes back, he was calling her a brilliant scientist, wasn't he? Unless he was just teasing her here - but it didn't seem like that. 

 

And secondly, his comment about 'long and tedious' times with her on date nights. This was ambiguous; I believe it was implied that he still likes and enjoys her company (he was hanging out with her right then), but he's reluctant specifically about date nights because of the formal social convention involved. But even this contradicts his earlier behavior, when he himself included date nights in the RelAg and seemed quite happy about it.

 

I don't think there was a large disconnect between Sheldon and Amy in this episode - many things also indicated resonance and a mutual comfort level. But there was an undue number of jabs and snarky comments from his side, not all of them purely innocent. Also, the scene after Raj's comment to Amy was confusing, as Lio pointed out. He did seem to object to the insult at first, but did he roll back after that? Was the 'yo momma' stuff related to the tenure rivalry or to Raj's insulting his girlfriend? Somehow from the taping report I had the impression that Sheldon stood up for Amy, but the episode doesn't clearly indicate that.

 

It's hard to impute hidden motives, either to Sheldon or to the writers. I'm curious to see whether they're actually going somewhere with this, or if they're just meant to be one-off jokes. Right now I'd say Phanta's analysis is probably the closest - Sheldon has started taking Amy and her devotion for granted, to some extent, after her generous gesture on V-day. He doesn't seem to be quite as on his toes as he was during the first half of the season, when he felt compelled to visit Wheaton and 'defend Amy's honor' because of his insecurity that he wasn't good enough and she might leave him. Side by side, Amy also seems to have 'normalized' a little too much, at this time, for that camaraderie they shared to come through naturally.

 

So I guess I'm just waiting with great interest to see if any strings are going to be tied up or unraveled during the two final episodes.

[Pomita]

This dynamic of Amy babysitting Sheldon is social situations is very new, especially given that she herself had little to no social skills until recently.

 

I didn't see this scene as motherly per se; even earlier, she was the one who told him 'you have a guest who's upset', so that he would get tea. I agree that she's supposed to be socially awkward too, but since she's a little more aware than him (the turtle to his snail), she can get him to follow some things because he trusts her enough to listen to her willingly (in the case of his mother or Penny, his 'obeying' is more usually under protest).

[silverangel]

Agree...which is why I said he didn't truly defend her.   He just got a confirmation from Raj is all.   Which only made the matter worse than if he had kept quiet and said nothing at all in a way.  It was that moment that bothered me far more than some of the other moments because it was so weak and pathetic.  I had hoped his defense would be one thing that would prove he does see her as attractive, but instead he just gave up and went nowhere with it.   Very frustrating.  The writing was all inconsistent and the timing of things was all off as well.  As someone posted earlier that the "girls went shopping" conversation Penny had was completely off time-wise with the scene where Amy/Sheldon are talking about going to the funeral.   It amazed me how poor this episode was from a production point of view.

 

I agree that he should have defended her. What I'm saying is that they wrote the scene as if he was outraged at first, like he was defending her, and then once it was confirmed that it was what it was, he backed off, which made no sense. It was written awkwardly. 

 

I agree. I don't undersand it either. They were write this scen as if they did not know what they meant, terrible mess. First he pisses on Raj, then when Raj shows what he meant he pauses, as if he wanted to just find out what Raj had in mind. She supports him all the time, and in  front of the group and  she is always with him, and he behaves like a proud peacock, which spread his tail for her to worship him. When he must defend his woman he runs away like a coward. He should be more blunt.

In whole episode is completely mess with his behavior. Once he wants to knows her opinion and he  behaves as if without her could not make it, when previously he was rude to her like he was doing her favor that she is with him. I don't care that he didn't mean what he said, and even maybe I understand why writers did that, but despite of that he was Sheldon in his behavior, and he isn't going to be sweet Romeo-Casanova in one body, but they should made him tread her better, with respect and he should cherish her, because he will not find better and so beautiful and brilliant woman with patience like saint.

Edited April 5, 2013 by silverangelD

[Superlovelexi]

Maybe I just overly optimistic but I think SHAMY is going to be just fine.  I still think Amy is best girlfriend Sheldon is ever going to have and I like that Amy stands up for herself at times i think she does so more already than Leonard did when he first starting dating Penny.  Amy had no trouble telling Sheldon that she didn't think it was okay for him to break off their date night for fixing q-tips and she made sure to get herself invited to come along to service.  She also yelled at him really well when he told her she couldn't live there and called him a COWARD and he agreed wth her about that so I don't think Amy is a doormat.  She is just in love with him and is trying to make it work sometimes she tries too hard though and thats when it comes off slightly desperate or you end up feeling sorry for her because she's not getting what she wants.  But, its not like she's being forced to be in this relationship, she CHOOSES to be and so does Sheldon.  

 

Amy yelled at Sheldon right away when she thought he wasn't sticking up for him when Raj was rude and said she lacked sexuality.  But Sheldon said "What it was ambigious?" as if he truly was just trying to get clarity on what Raj said and not that he agreed with him. I disagree with those that say he agreed with Raj, he didn't understand at first and then when he asked and Raj said Yes thats what I mean he simply was saying "Okay" as if okay now I get what you mean, not okay as In i think you're right.  I also think it was meant to be funny and it was that Sheldon kept insulting Raj's mother as an effort to insult him after he insulted his girlfriend, so he was standing up for Amy with those silly Yo momma type jokes and he still had enough respect for her to turn around and say "Oh but I didn't really do that last night." as if he wanted to make sure Amy understood that he would never cheat on her. 

 

Sheldon might be rude, condescending, arrogant jerk and it may get on fans nerves and the other characters all the time, but he goes back and forth on that.  One minute he's being rude to be mean, other times he's being rude without realizing it so in otherwords acting clueless and then sometimes he just stating his honest opinion and its not trying to be rude at all, but honest.  It may not always be easy to tell difference even I have to rewind what he says sometimes to catch his true meaning, but Jim Parsons gives Sheldon geniune earnestness, innocence and heart that it makes Sheldon loveable for me even when he's being rude to people.

 

Now I don't like it when he is rude to Amy, i didn't like it a few weeks ago when he insulted her in laundry room over the handholding, but I figured out that was because he said it so harshly and didn't smile or anything because he was irritated at the time so it came across really mean spirited.

 

I also, think writers know that lot of fans want Shamy together and want them to eventually have coitus, because they always get asked it seems at every panel I've watched with them since Shamy started about when will Sheldon have sex?  And they always tiptoe around it and just like with Leonard and penny relationship, if they keep tiptoeing for too long fans will get turned off and irriitated and stop caring either way what happens.  It happened seem like during season 5 and earlier in this season with Lenny and now I think they may be doing some of same to SHAMY, but thats writers for ya.  In their quest to keep us on edge of our seats and not just give us exactly what we want so we're satifsifed and move on.  They dangle the carrots out there for so long until people get tired of waiting and don't want the carrot anymore.  Fortunately, actors seem to want it. Jim and Mayim both make comments jokingly about how can't wait to film the "sexy scenes" together someday.  And I think if writers are smart they will give us at least one more affectionate SHAMY scene before season is over.   I really want a kiss in finale, but I don't think its going to happen so I'll wait til next season for it, but I know other fans here seem already tired of waiting and I can understand their frustration with the back and forth of sheldon's character its like whiplash sometimes.

 

  One episode he seems to be growing forward towards Amy and being more affectionate and sweeter actually most of season I felt he's gone that direction especially in Fish Guts episode when Amy got sick and Valentine's Day episode were true stand out ones, but then with last couple of episodes it seems more like writers are like going okay time to start up drama heading into finale.  Like perhaps they want Amy to get so fed up with Sheldon lack of interest in touching her and rudeness to her and break up with him or bring in another guy to make Sheldon jealous like they brought in Alex to make Penny Jealous.   Its hard to tell right now which direction it'll go, but if the SHAMY goes downhill like LENNY did before then at least we know now that they'll just put them back together again and finally make Sheldon say "i love you" or kiss Amy next season to show because thats what they did with Penny this season when she and Leonard were having problems.  But, I also agree that it totally SUCKS and would be really irritating to see them replay same sort of thing with SHAMY that they did with LENNY just gets too redundant In my opinion. 

 

Fortunately there is still time to turn it around season isn' over and really I dont think Sheldon is being as mean to Amy as some other fans here do.  At least not on purpose.  Difference between Penny and Sheldon is that Penny knows how to behave in relationship she had a four year one with Kurt and it didn't work out so now she's on the defense with Leonard and hurts him because she's afraid of getting hurt herself.   Sheldon has never been in a real romantic relationship before so he doesn't hurt Amy because he's afraid of getting hurt, he does it because he truly doesn't understand that what he is saying might upset her and as long as she goes along with it then he never will.  

 

 

Sheldon actually asked Amy to be his girlfriend not the otherway around like with Leonard asking Penny, and when Amy gave him the ultimatium in premiere  of season six Sheldon could have let her walk out the door (in fact based on what I've read here from other fans, there was a verison where she did walk out on him)  but the writers didn't let that happen so that must mean they love SHAMY together too and want them to work out.  Plus, banter between Sheldon and Amy is too funny for them to just let that die completely anyway, so I dont think SHAMY is in trouble at all cause they know fans don't want them to break up for good and I don't think they do either otherwise they wouldn't have spent so much time working on them this season.  hell they even went so far as to get Sheldon to rub Amy's chest, spank her, they hugged adn he gave her a really super sweet V-day gift.  So to me it means all the rude behavior from Sheldon is truly meant to be writers continued attempt to make Sheldon funny and they think arrogant, rude say things that are condescending and selfish makes him seem funnier.  

 

 

Sometimes it is funny, but far too often  it makes him so annoying that people start to dislike him and want to punch him in the face.  Its about striking the proper balance.   Some fans still want Sheldon to remain asexual like and robotic like in first seasons while others (us Shamy lovers) want more growth and want to see him treat Amy and his other friends with dignity, respect and love.  But, to writers nice characters are BORING!  I know that sucks that they think that way at least to me it does, but its obvious sitcom writers care more about telling a joke than about just make characters happy and in love all time.  Its  laughs and silly adult humor that they want to give us more than the aw isn't that cute stuff like its a Disney after school special show or something.   And I can accept the silly adult humor as long as characters continue to grow. 

 

 

Raj finally getting a chance with Lucy is step in right direction.  Sheldon continuing to asking Amy's opinions on social situations until he gets them right is step in right direction, but I know with every step forward there are step backwards, usually done for sake of telling a stupid joke.  I don't always like that, but I also no longer feel it means couples should break up or date other people just because they get annoying, because like Lenny was annoying for lot of season, now Shamy is little bit, but I don't think its as bad yet and even if it gets as bad doesn't mean it won't be fix later.  Lenny didn't break up at all even through all their drama this season, so that gives me hope that writers will do right by Shamy fans as well.   But if they break up I want Amy to be the one to do it if only to give Sheldon kick in his pants to beg for her back and start treating her better.  I mean where's Armand the miniature horsebreeder when we need him huh?

Edited April 6, 2013 by Superlovelexi

[AdorkablyMe]

Fascinating.

[CaitAmber]

Fascinating.

You crack me up. 

[Nogravitasatall]

<respectfully>

They have to generate material and engagement for at least another season and maybe two or three more

The show spins on a dime sometimes - they feint one way then hit you somewhere else - misdirection etc. Don't EVER forget the roommate transmogrification

(or the 5th of November for that matter )

They have invested heavily in the Shamy for the show. Unless someone leaves can they regenerate another Amy clone? No. Can they totally forgo Sheldon as sexual being? No.

 

Its going to play out in the long run. They are toying with the audience, is all.

 

<If you open this do not flame me please>

And maybe they will catch up to the fan fics later

[Shamynanigans]

I don’t get all the Sheldon hate for last night’s TBBT… I thought Sheldon acted like Sheldon, and the Shamy felt the way it always does for me – quirky and handled the way Sheldon and Amy have handled it in the past.