Ship Zone The Shamy Thread! (Season 6 Edition-Spoilers)

[koops]

No no no I like to be a Jester!! Please don't take my hat away from me!!    

[Guest DroneInTheSun]

But if you're President you can always take up jester as a hobby???

 

(The Shamy thread, where you go from would-be deep and meaningful analysises to utter nonsense in the space of three posts. You're welcome, mankind.)

[CaitAmber]

No no no I like to be a Jester!! Please don't take my hat away from me!!    

 

How about this? You remain a jester, but with the knowledge that you have more power than the typical fool in that position - because the queen thinks you're brilliant and respects your knowledge of the squishy thing rattling around in my head. 

 

But if you're President you can always take up jester as a hobby???

 

(The Shamy thread, where you go from would-be deep and meaningful analysises to utter nonsense in the space of three posts. You're welcome, mankind.)

 

You pretty much summed up how great this thread is. Ultimate flexibility. 

#Queenderailsconversationslikeaboss

[AndyRenee]

Just adding a random note: This conversation, prior to the amazing idea of Koops ruling the world, about Amy Farrah Fowler not being the same beautiful, geeky, quirky vixen is sort of making me sad. I miss S4/S5-ish Amy. I hope they sort that out and bring her back next season. No one fell for Amy because she was "normal" or conventional...she needs to retain her wacky, super intelligent side. 

[CaitAmber]

Another side note: I have the chat open if anyone feels like gabbing for a little bit. 

[eirwinrommel]

Re: Amy - the problem isn't so much that she changed too quickly but that it seems like we almost have two different Amies depending on who she's with. Whenever she's with the girls or with a guy who isn't Sheldon, she's the quirky, weird, Sheldon-esque character we discovered in early S4 - though not quite as wooden as she was back then - but when she's with Sheldon, she's suddenly the poor "normal" girl who had the misfortune to fall in love with a weirdo. But that's not who she is. Sheldon and Amy are supposed to be "a couple of weirdos" but lately we haven't seen that.

Re: Howard - I miss thief Howard too - I loved The 43 Peculiarity because we see him picking a lock and then stealing an expensive camera to spy on Sheldon - and it's a shame that we don't see more of that because it's not irreconcilable with married Howard at all.

One thing you may not realize is that often people will act differently in public, then with their friends. That's why Amy is more Sheldonesque with just the girls, that's her roll in the group. When She's with Sheldon or with the while group she acts more normal because the group already has a Sheldon and doesn't need another one. The same for Howard, When he's with the guys, or just one of them like Raj, He's more like the old Howard. When he's in public he has to be the 'married man', the 'Astronaut', and he's expected to (and does) act in a more dignified and mature manor. That's why sometimes you will hear about someone famous being secretly recorded and acting/saying things, that they wouldn't do/say in public and getting in trouble. I'm sure, if you think about it, that you do the same thing (as do I).  

[Guest DroneInTheSun]

It doesn't apply to Amy, though. Because she literally used to be Sheldon's clone, that was what scared everyone into Penny's appartment in The Zazzy Substitution. In The Herb Garden Germination it's clear as day that they're 100% in synch on basically everything. Even well into Season 5 she was much more like her old self with Sheldon, even if she was well into her transition to a more grown up Amy. But Season 6 has operated a 180 degrees turn and there she is being more normal than Penny herself when she's with Sheldon and that's stupid. If anything she should act more normal with the girls, not with Sheldon, because Sheldon is less likely to mock her than Penny or Bernadette. Even with Raj she's more herself, as in when she suggests plunging a needle into his brain.

I do realise that adjusting your social behavior depending on whoever you're talking to is basic social aptitude, but Sheldon and Amy both used to know nothing of this, and while I concede a "she's growing up excuse", she shouldn't be growing up that much with the only person who's accepting of her quirks because he has the same.

(I feel like this isn't clear; if I only had a brain. *off to see the Wizard... down the yellow brick road*)

Edited April 20, 2013 by LostInTheSun

[koops]

I think the writers simply fell into the MO of having her play straight-man to Sheldon this year because it's an almost natural tendency for writers when they write couples to have them be opposites than to be similar. I don't even think they've done it consciously, although the whole paradox thing is to blame for this. They wanted Sheldon to be the one to provide the humorous "I'm not budging" aspect of the relationship and in order to do so they had to make Amy more "normal". I do hope they reset them to a more quirky camaraderie dynamic, Parking Lot was brilliant because of that, and so was Fun with Flags with Wheaton to an extent, because even though they were at odds they were at odds in a bizarre way since Amy was totally a pain in the A-S-S with Wil lol. And "Like a dogboy"/"Exactly" might still be one of my favorite Shamy exchanges this year.

[Guest DroneInTheSun]

I LOVE THE PARKING LOT ESCALATION SO MUCH #bawls.

Probably my favourite Shamysode this year when you forget the obvious ones like Cooper/Kripke Inversion and Tangible Affection Proof and upcoming Love Spell Potential.

#ConstructiveIntervention

[Nogravitasatall]

If Amy went back to being what she was and Sheldon too, doesn't this take you back to the in vitro thing? Going forward, how to match them up and pace it out for 3-4 years is the problem. Lost made the point about consistency. I think it's going to have to be a lot more about art. Lots of precedent for re-writes of show bibles... and even THE bible got edited to suit (hyperbole I know).

And when Sheldon plays nice he can be adorable.

Amy: Happy Valentine’s Day.

Sheldon: Okay. (He speaks for many here)

Makes me laugh.

[Guest DroneInTheSun]

I don't want them to get back to what they were, I want them to grow up together and for this paradox bs to stop.

[koops]

I'm not saying Amy has to go back to S4 Amy at all, I'm just saying she still has the quirks and the traits that make her a perfect match for Sheldon but they're not showcased as much anymore when she's with him, only when she plays off other characters. She can be more "grown-up" than him socially, and lay the breadcrumbs trail that he will follow to grow with her, while still keeping her quirks and nerdy side that makes her his partner in crime and makes them hilarious to watch. They have to move forward, of course, nobody wants them to stagnate. I just think there's plenty of "normal" girls on tv, even on this show, she's odd and that's what makes her special. I don't think that the only way forward with them is having her play straight-man to him. Sheldon is adorable when he's all smitten because of how brilliant and similar to him she is, it'd be nice to see more of that. I think an enthusiastic and smitten Sheldon is more likely to be willing to follow her lead and grow up with her and progress with her than a Sheldon who feels he's being pushed and antagonized. Like his mother said, he's like a baby deer.  

Edited April 20, 2013 by koops

[Nogravitasatall]

I don't want them to get back to what they were, I want them to grow up together and for this paradox bs to stop.

Then how does it remain consistent. It will be artful. I have no clue how they can do it without letting go some history. But they were more alike at one point. And it was funny then. And you want them to be on the same page and be around for 3-4 more years. Maybe than can emphasis the prior Amy and keep the relationship progress. But to get the long we all want run they will mess with them from time to time. And because of the unique nature of Sheldon it's going to be challenging.

[Guest DroneInTheSun]

It would have been consistent with S4 & S5 if S6 hadn't introduced the paradox theme into their relationship. They're not supposed to be at odds. Amy isn't supposed to be more normal than Sheldon and Sheldon isn't supposed to be mean to her. And just because they are on the same page wouldn't mean they can't move forward. S5 saw Sheldon asking her to be his girlfriend, helding her hand and fantasizing about her.

[koops]

At the end of the day, it's cliche' to say, but it's all about good ol' balance! They need to be different enough to challenge each other (and they were even at the very beginning, they fought within 4 months of meeting each other) and similar enough to be compatible and funny (which they also were from the very beginning). This year there was more challenging than camaraderie, there's nothing wrong with that. But it would be nice to see more camaraderie again.

 

After all, the whole idea behind Amy was that the only way Sheldon would be attracted to a woman is if she were similar to him. There were a lot of hints towards this in S3 that they were leading in the direction of Sheldon getting a love interest but no woman quite fulfilled all the criteria:

 

- Beverly: high IQ but way too old for him and she really has no emotions whatsoever, whereas Sheldon is very emotional despite what he wants people to think. Not to mention she's Leonard's mother! Creepy.

- Green Lantern girl: nerdy, and Sheldon's age, but she wasn't odd enough nor a genius

- Dr. Plimpton: intellectually compatible but she turned out to be a nympho

 

Then you have Amy come along and all of a sudden she ticks all the boxes and something clicks in Sheldon's head for the first time in his life. She's grown an awful lot since then, and that's great, but she hasn't turned into a completely new person, or it would defeat the purpose she was created for in the first place.

Edited April 20, 2013 by koops

[Nogravitasatall]

It would have been consistent with S4 & S5 if S6 hadn't introduced the paradox theme into their relationship. They're not supposed to be at odds. Amy isn't supposed to be more normal than Sheldon and Sheldon isn't supposed to be mean to her. And just because they are on the same page wouldn't mean they can't move forward. S5 saw Sheldon asking her to be his girlfriend, helding her hand and fantasizing about her.

Agreed. And can we also agree to skip s1-3. That ship has sailed.

[Shamynanigans]

Hi guys! It's been a few days since I've been on... I rewatched Isolation Permutation and squee'd throughout. Oh, Amy...

[Pomita]

And tbh the best thing about the D&D sex isn't that it's sex, it's that it's D&D. Because even though Amy isn't into fantasy/sci-fi like Sheldon, the fact that their first sexual encounter is something virtually no one would consider to be a sexual encounter just reminds us why they're made for each other: they're both very different for the whole world and they will never find solace in anyone else but each other. They're a couple of weirdos, of course their first sexy time is going to be make believe.

 

 

Very interesting discussion between Lost and Koops going on. I agree about Amy, and especially the above - the first thing that took my breath away, when I read the report, was not that it was intimacy, but that it was so them. In the best way. It was Sheldon being vulnerable to Amy and admitting to 'working on it', Sheldon almost initiating virtual lovemaking, Sheldon comforting Amy, and Amy being absolutely delighted with the quirky geeky make-belief.. all rolled into one. Intimacy + camaraderie. And now I can happily dream of Jim/Mayim's expressions in that scene, till I actually see them.. oh joy.

[Ibid]

I'm not saying Amy has to go back to S4 Amy at all, I'm just saying she still has the quirks and the traits that make her a perfect match for Sheldon but they're not showcased as much anymore when she's with him, only when she plays off other characters. She can be more "grown-up" than him socially, and lay the breadcrumbs trail that he will follow to grow with her, while still keeping her quirks and nerdy side that makes her his partner in crime and makes them hilarious to watch. They have to move forward, of course, nobody wants them to stagnate. I just think there's plenty of "normal" girls on tv, even on this show, she's odd and that's what makes her special. I don't think that the only way forward with them is having her play straight-man to him. Sheldon is adorable when he's all smitten because of how brilliant and similar to him she is, it'd be nice to see more of that. I think an enthusiastic and smitten Sheldon is more likely to be willing to follow her lead and grow up with her and progress with her than a Sheldon who feels he's being pushed and antagonized. Like his mother said, he's like a baby deer.

This! They were partners working against the world - not each other. They complemented (or completed) each other. I liked that relationship paradigm.

Well said Loops!

[stardustmelody]

 

Very interesting discussion between Lost and Koops going on. I agree about Amy, and especially the above - the first thing that took my breath away, when I read the report, was not that it was intimacy, but that it was so them. In the best way. It was Sheldon being vulnerable to Amy and admitting to 'working on it', Sheldon almost initiating virtual lovemaking, Sheldon comforting Amy, and Amy being absolutely delighted with the quirky geeky make-belief.. all rolled into one. Intimacy + camaraderie. And now I can happily dream of Jim/Mayim's expressions in that scene, till I actually see them.. oh joy.

 

 

Indeed!   Love it!

[Shel_Ra_Ho_Le]

I like the idea of them leaving their old apartments in last ep. in last season,for goodbye, but I think I preffer something more joyful, because it would be too sad for me, because all memories and all great, wonderful things is associated with 4a. Maybe like you said koops. Something like; Penny's pregnant and she and Leonard leaving  4b and move out to their own house, and Sheldon and Amy are living together in 4a.  4b is empty like a symbol that something is ending. Something new is coming, something happy for all.

I would like to see Sheldon and Amy living in 4a. I think that Sheldon would have moved sooner to Amy than would lived in 4b alone.  I don't see Sheldon living in 4b, alone  after all his malignancies and sarcasm about her lack of order and cleanliness in 4b, and he doesn't want to be alone, always from the beggining he lived with roommate, so I preffer that Amy would move in to Sheldon, but  maybe not so fast, with small steps. While Leonard is gone with this research expedition, it's clear that Sheldon will need Amy to be with him, comfort him, take care of him, but not as mother and child, but as a woman and her man who is sad and alone, and even if he wouldn't admit that, he will be missing Leonard.

And this is opportunity for him to realize how much he loves her, how precious she is for him, how lucky he is that he has her, because this Leonard's expedition  and Sheldon living alone in 4a would be something new for him, something what will lift him from his safe place, little like  the writers would open up pandora's box for him, and that's why this could mean more intimate moments for them, and this could bring them closer to each other.

But like everybody said maybe we will be surprised. I want to give to the writers a credit of trust  that they will come up with something that will be good for the character and bring balance in all interactions in between characters. I hope!

 

 

Y'all talking about series finale?  I honestly dont want to think about this but I DO want the elevator to be a huge factor.  The WORKING elevator.  Since its been such a subject, wouldn't it be cool to FINALLY see it working in the final episode/scene?

Edited April 21, 2013 by Shel_Ra_Ho_Le

[Tensor]

Y'all talking about series finale?  I honestly dont want to think about this but I DO want the elevator to be a huge factor.  The WORKING elevator.  Since its been such a subject, wouldn't it be cool to FINALLY see it working in the final episode/scene?

Like the maintenance men testing it, just as the guys get to the first floor as the leave the building?

[Guest DroneInTheSun]

There were a lot of hints towards this in S3 that they were leading in the direction of Sheldon getting a love interest but no woman quite fulfilled all the criteria:

 

- Beverly: high IQ but way too old for him and she really has no emotions whatsoever, whereas Sheldon is very emotional despite what he wants people to think. Not to mention she's Leonard's mother! Creepy.

- Green Lantern girl: nerdy, and Sheldon's age, but she wasn't odd enough nor a genius

- Dr. Plimpton: intellectually compatible but she turned out to be a nympho

 

Then you have Amy come along and all of a sudden she ticks all the boxes and something clicks in Sheldon's head for the first time in his life. She's grown an awful lot since then, and that's great, but she hasn't turned into a completely new person, or it would defeat the purpose she was created for in the first place.

 

Ooooh I had never realised that those three were hints to what was to come! Well done koops

[koops]

I've really lost my mind and sense of time. I went into my S6 TBBT eps folder and started furiously scrolling down to find 6x23 to watch only to go, after several minutes: "Oh wait, it hasn't aired yet!". We've been talking about this episode so much it feels like it's already happened! 

[silverangel]

I've really lost my mind and sense of time. I went into my S6 TBBT eps folder and started furiously scrolling down to find 6x23 to watch only to go, after several minutes: "Oh wait, it hasn't aired yet!". We've been talking about this episode so much it feels like it's already happened! 

 

Yeah I have the same feeling, when I watch season 6 episodes. We are talking about this ep. how it will be wonderful and meaningful,  about final ep. and about s7 a lot and  that we just can't wait to see it,