Ship Zone The Shamy Thread! (Season 6 Edition-Spoilers)

[koops]

First look reaction: am I the only one that was underwhelmed by the episode? LOL. I thought it was cute and there were a couple of moments where I really laughed out loud, but like Cait was saying (btw Cait, that's my favorite line in the episode!) maybe the scenes were just too short, it seemed pretty rushed. I also probably found it underwhelming because I was expecting the two compromising lines to come across much more meaningfully than they did, instead it was a pretty chilled episode overall.

 

Did not enjoy the Tenure-like dialogue at the very beginning with Amy saying something and Sheldon shooting her down like she's his doormat (about the stories about her day) or like she's constantly the one hinting at stuff and he doesn't get it (like the hug - I mean, come on, after 6x14 we are still meant to believe Sheldon doesn't get it that SHE could be the one hugging him???), but they gave her a couple of great comebacks in this one later on, so all in all it was even. Glad this is the last we'll ever see of this dynamic, though (hopefully, if there's no backtracking in S7), it's gotten old very fast.

 

Things I loved: the bit where he's laying out the dominos and Amy goes "great layout!" and he looks at her with this terrified expression on his face. LOL. Amy was great in this one, all around. 

 

Anyway, bring on 6x23!! Whooo!

[CaitAmber]

I'm hoping that the remaining episodes don't fly by as fast. Even though I know there's going to be plenty of time for commercials, I would love if the pace was turned down a few notches. 

[rachelshamyfan]

[rachelshamyfan]

[koops]

Rewatched a few more times. Totally stand by my theory that they deliberately had Penny randomly walk in on him after the dominorgasm to make it all confusing. She walks in randomly, says a line that's totally disconnected from his dazed reply, looks at him like he's nuts and leaves again. Either the ILY was meant to be a classic post-coital joke or it was the last thing he had to finish in the sequence. "nnnn' I love you too". 

 

And Mayim needs to win all the awards just for her facial expressions.

Edited April 26, 2013 by koops

[CaitAmber]

Rewatched a few more times. Totally stand by my theory that they deliberately had Penny randomly walk in on him after the dominorgasm to make it all confusing. She walks in randomly, says a line that's totally disconnected from his dazed reply, looks at him like he's nuts and leaves again. Either the ILY was meant to be a classic post-coital joke or it was the last thing he had to finish in the sequence. "nnnn' I love you too". 

 

And Mayim needs to win all the awards just for her facial expressions.

 

Here here! Quite right, ol' chap. Her face is delightful and deserves recognition! 

[untilyou]

MaJim's duet is amazing!!! 

[rachelshamyfan]

You know if the ratings are still at around the 20million mark in 2 or 3 seasons time will that be an incentive to carry on for more seasons or end it on a high?

[rachelshamyfan]

I noticed that Sheldon's facial twitches are back as well

[koops]

2 weeks to go to D-day (or should I say D&D-day. ). I need to be mentally prepared. It's going to be the longest 2 weeks ever. 

[Catlina]

I so loved the episode! It was really funny and I laughed so hard. :D  I loved the Shamy scenes so much, I don't know I've been missing them so much that it was pure joy to see them again. Loved the ending of the episode with dominos, I see so many layers there and connection to Amy too. So my overall feelings about this episode were really good. 

Those lines we knew beforehand didn't bother me that much since I know the context. He was really frustrated at the point when Amy was giving her treatment to him, he was about to blow the candles and wasn't able to finish it, I see the context that he really didn't mean anything with that line about her. It was just pure ventilation of his feelings of frustration.  The one he says about flying to Texas to get a hug from his mom, I think this time he might said it deliberately knowing what Amy was looking for, not being that innocent or oblivious for what Amy was hinting. I'm quite sure he knew and recognized very well what Amy was saying. But instead, he didn't want to show to Amy that he is open and conscious to that kind of physical contact yet, but instead he was pointing out how ridiculous it would be to go so far as Texas to get the hug from his mom. I wonder where this partial reluctance (yet at this point) to show Amy about his hidden feelings/layers of consciousness and true motives comes from, I'm not sure. Part of him is open to Amy, part of him wants to keep his things hidden and he doesn't want yet to open them to her. Like he was lying he didn't know Amy was there offering physical comfort. What I can think, the reason could be it still hurts him quite much to open himself to physical contact in normal situation, where he is not feeling threatened (like the Kripke episode) or otherwise overwhelmed by emotion. It is hard task to change one's ways and old behavior. It is so much easier for him to go back the ways he used to be, the old Sheldon ways, than to select the new way with Amy and change his behavior. And I didn't get that line too that serious what he said about Amy telling about her days, I think it fell in the same category as the previous line about Texas. Like he was saying and showing to Amy he didn't care. We all know that is not true, he is hiding something, and that is his growing sexual and physical interest in her. It is still too big thing for him to show it openly to her in normal situations. Interesting though, that in 6x23 he rips his mask off and shows to her openly he is interested in about more physical contact with her - but again, that will be when Amy is very upset. That maybe wouldn't have happened in normal situation when everything is fine with him or with her. But I think it is going to be really good a relief for Sheldon too to show his grown interest to her as well in the 23th episode. He is like a balloon that has been blown air for a long time (his grown sexual interest). If there is no ventilation at some point, he would explode. 23th episode will be a some sort of ventilation for him, but he will need a bigger vent in next season. He won't be able to hold himself back anymore.

After all, In what world would old Sheldon Cooper let a "competitive scientist" treat him like this like Amy did? Nowhere and no one. That man is in love.

 

 

 

 

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Edited April 26, 2013 by Catlina

[koops]

OMG Cat, love your post so much! You really put that stuff into perspective, it is true that he delivered all the zingers after she literally walked up to his face suggesting physical contact, sort of like a defense mechanism to make a point he could care less. He has been trying to hide what he feels about sex for a while now (the whole "Coitus is ridiculous and off-putting" line was also a cover up along these lines), so it makes sense that he would respond like this when he's been put on the spot. 

 

I also mentioned in the episode thread that I found it pretty impressive that he essentially admitted to her he has a problem. That's definitely character growth. 

[silverangel]

WOW So many great posts. Maybe I just say what I think about this ep. I just love that episode. Mayim and Jim were just brilliant. Bravo.
Amy's exercises to help Sheldon be more relax and in the future he will not bother so much about closure were just great and so funny. When Sheldon said: "You don't know what it's like to feel completely frustrated, to have desire build up within you, and be deined any opportunity to release" she looks at him and she knew exactly about what he is talkin about, and she has this something in her eyes, something like little sadness, love and desire...
OMG... in that moment, I so wanted to hug her.
Her reactions when she doesn't let him have finish was so sugestive like she knew that she has a power in her hands, like first time she makes him wanting something so much like she wants, she wants him, but not only in physical way, it gives her little pleasure, but it isn't a game and not a bad thing from her side. It's a bit like when a woman is seductive, exercises scenes are a metaphor to describe sex, as foreplay between them. She stimulates the delicate and sensitive strings, as if she touches his sensitive areas and he wants so much to finish and come, but she drags everything that he did not end too quickly, that he would not reached closure, and then at the end, when he can finish all this things she didn't let him, it was like release to him, like he could give pleasure to himself, and at the end with domino he "came" and did the closure, and this orgasm metaphor was so hot and sexy I love it...wow
When Penny came in while he lay on the floor it was like this moments were crossed, and it was like she said that she is happy that she has him in her life, and he said I love you to... all this was like something what people say after sex... this ILY was not direct to Penny it was something that was supposed to finish the scene with dominoorgasm, he lay down on the floor with that facial expression like he was just making love with somebody and that ILY was the icing on the cake.
This was powerful metaphor to show that Sheldon is sexual person, to show him in a different light. They wanted to show us that something big will come for Shamy, whole this Amy's exercise was to show us that Sheldon is changing and something so suggestive was need to go to this point of their relationship which we will see in ep. 23.
Two things for the end. I understand his frustration when she didn't let him finish, I don't have such need to finish things like he, but something like that could make me frustrated to. That line when he blows the candles and she didn't let him blow last one and said that his wish don't come true, he was just so frusrated, because of all unfinished things, that he said this line about I wish you were dead.The same with that you are sucker thing when she was gone. I don't like it at all, it was to strong words for me, but I understand that they use that words to show how much he is frustrated that he can't reach closure.

Edited April 26, 2013 by silverangelD

[koops]

Now that I think about that ILY, I wonder if it's meant to imply Sheldon will get all cuddly and sappy after sex. LOL. That would be an hilarious turn of events.

[rachelshamyfan]

The ily to penny has set the shennies off

[koops]

Who cares, let them be set off. So what? Even IF the ILY was directed to Penny (which is unlikely from the setup of the scene) what's the big deal? He said ILY to Leonard twice before. Is he not allowed to love his friends? The writers are not going there at all, I don't understand why people feel threatened by what the Shennys think. If twisting the meaning of scenes makes them happy, then by all means, continue. It's just a dangerous game they play because they set up their expectations for something that's never going to happen and every time something proving them wrong happens their meltdowns get even worse. If that's their idea of fun, be my guests.

[rachelshamyfan]

Oh I don't feel threatened by the shennies just that they pick up on the small scraps they are given and try to make more of it!

[koops]

Oh I'm not saying you, I meant that by lurking on Tumblr a bit I'm getting the feeling some people are really making a bigger deal out of that ILY and the Shennys reactions than necessary. 

[silverangel]

Now that I think about that ILY, I wonder if it's meant to imply Sheldon will get all cuddly and sappy after sex. LOL. That would be an hilarious turn of events.

 

Yes it would be definitely interesting and so hot to watch scene like that with him and Amy in the bed  just after their reaching top, and seen him breathing so hard, and if he has not come down from the clouds after orgasm, and saying to Amy, I love you ... with to dreamy smile ..But Yes it would be something I so want to see...but the more I would like to  see the scene where Sheldon really wants to know if he was good .... As indeed he has to be the best in everything. The more he would try to be great with giving her pleasure the better for Amy ...whatever that means  to them.

[silverangel]

When domino was already stacked on the floor and she said that it is nice, he has so much fear in his face that she don't let him finish.... so hilarious...like I said MaJim were just adorable and they did great job

Edited April 26, 2013 by silverangelD

[rachelshamyfan]

Majim were hysterically funny last night, just everything. The facial expressions and the "looks" also

[koops]

The jack-a-box wrestling was hilarious. 'GIVEEE ITTT!!!' 

[Guest DroneInTheSun]

Copy-pasting my tumblr posts about the ILY.
 
I don’t think the ILY in 6x21 was for Amy at all. I think it was for Penny, and I think that’s awesome. Sheldon has no trouble expressing his love for his friends. He said “I love you” to Leonard twice in the past, he’s also said it to his mom. Sheldon knows his feelings for his friends. He doesn’t know his feelings for Amy. I suspect he realises they’re different from what he feels for his other friends, but I don’t think he’s made the connection yet that he’s actually in love with her. Regarding his feelings for Amy, Sheldon is very much in an “action speaks louder than words” place (i.e. working on his contact issue so he can make love to her, or making her is ICE contact, or actually drafting a document that legally binds her to him… Sheldon you control freak!).
 
Now roll on 6x23 so we can all witness how his actions definitely speak volumes!
 
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Something else I realised about this ILY: we all know that to Sheldon, saying “I love something” isn’t that big of a deal as he said “I love my mother. My feelings for my spot are much greater.”

 

Would we really want for him to say “I love you” to Amy when we know it would mean he loves his spot better? No. We want him to say “You make me feel like my spot.”

 

It would fit the Shamy perfectly, because they never will have a traditional romance, and the fact that he wouldn’t say “I love you”, that he would say something different that helds more power but looks ridiculous for everyone else would be so them that just thinking about it makes my heart flutter.

 

 

Regarding the rest of the episode, I'm with koops. I found it funny but definitely underwhelming in a lot of aspects. Mayim does need to get an Emmy this year though, because she was literally perfect.

[koops]

Good points Lost, especially about the "actions speak louder than words" thing. He is definitely more of an action person than a words person.

 

I think the ILY scene was deliberately shot to confuse so you can interpret it in many ways. I honestly don't think there's a right or wrong way to interpret it, and that's cool. But if the original scene really didn't have Penny in it and they ILY was there anyway (assuming we do get evidence of that, we would need to ask Scullycat if she ever comes back!) then I don't know it was intended for Penny really. 

 

Having said that, saying "I love something" or "I love you" to a friend or a family member is very different from saying ILY to a girlfriend. I don't think I'd be disappointed if they went with traditional with Shamy rather than something odd. But something quirky would definitely fit them better. Does he know he is in love yet? Hard to tell. I always got the impression when he says "You're my girlfriend" that's essentially what he's saying: "I love you". I think it's mostly to do with the fact that he does have a problem articulating his feelings unless he's put on the spot and has no choice but to do it. So on one hand I wouldn't be surprised if they had an episode in the future where he suddenly has an epiphany and realizes that these feelings are actually romantic love, but on the other hand I wouldn't be surprised if they went with him stating it confidently and like it was the most obvious thing in the world and that he had known for a while, which I think it's pretty much the approach they took with the sex issue: 5x23 he started connecting the dots between the pale shoulders and the ST roleplay, this season they've made it clear he knows what he wants (6x14, 6x23), and he is able to articulate it very well when he's put on the spot (by Penny or by Amy) and that whatever epiphany he had between 5x23 and now happened gradually and subtly off screen, and it didn't even freak him out.

[rachelshamyfan]

Yeah he's said the and your my girlfriend thing in such a way that it kinda sounds like he means ily but is stopping himself from saying it because maybe it means more to him than if he says it to others which as we have seen comes easily