Ship Zone The Shamy Thread! (Season 6 Edition-Spoilers)

[phantagrae]

Make that three of us that didn't see that, unless they are talking about something in an older episode.  LOL!

I don't recall any conversation like that in any episode...

[Lionne]

Did Canada get some extra time in that episode that the US didn't? Because anything with Sheldon and Penny talking about Star Trek vs. Star Wars was not in the episode I saw the other evening.

 

Anyway.

 

I've been asked to pull some of my posts from "the other forum" over here for people to read. I'm not sure about the point of this, since almost all of you are in one place or another, but here goes:

 

The Closure Alternative didn't give me a lot of shamy warm fuzzies, but I do think it set up a lot of foreshadowing for the future, and shows a lot about the current state of Sheldon and Amy's relationship.

 

I felt that they made a very big statement about how Sheldon and Amy are on two different pages right now in terms of physical intimacy. The first was when Amy makes her suggestion that in times when Sheldon is upset about something he could find comfort through physical means, which Sheldon thought about and then promptly misinterpreted and dismissed. He really did not even seem to clue into what she was suggesting - at least my interpretation is that this one was supposed to be played for genuine innocence (I don't think all of them are. I think we get a mix.) The second when Sheldon complained about how frustrated he was and there was a very long beat and pause before Amy put in her sarcastic line of "sympathy" about that being a drag. (And I personally loved how Sheldon invited her to grab a nostril and help him pull his face off. For some reason the fact he wanted her help with that was funny and rather intimate in it's way.) It seems to me that this different has been highlighted multiple times in the past few episodes, starting with the really obvious one when Amy was lying on the couch as Snow White and Sheldon was pointedly ignoring her little hints for a kiss. They're pushing Amy to be more brazen about her requests or needs, putting it almost in Sheldon's face and having him quite obviously smack it down both innocently AND on purpose.

 

In this episode, they put that in front of us twice, and then had Amy turn the tables on Sheldon in her own way, diagnosing a problem and then working out various clever ways to make Sheldon go just about crazy as she kept denying him satisfaction. By the end of the episode, when he goes back to pursue all of that, it absolutely ends on a sexual note, with Sheldon on the floor, practically in the missionary position, begging the dominoes "almost there, don't stop," and then rolling over and groaning in climax. 

 

It really wasn't even very subtle, to be honest, there were a lot of obvious sexual metaphors going on here, and I have some mixed feelings about it. Oddly enough, one of my biggest issues is that I feel it's unfair for Amy to (still!) have her needs not met, while Sheldon recedes into the privacy of his apartment and gets his. In the oddest way, I'm a little irked that Sheldon gets his while Amy is still denied hers. Come on, show, when is Amy Farrah Fowler going to get some of the sugar she deserves? Golly jeepers.

 

My feeling about the episode, from an intellectual point of view, is a lot of intrigue and a bit of annoyance. Overall, of course, I laughed out loud at a lot of different things and I thought the entire episode was clever and hilarious. Nevertheless, I'm not missing the note that the Shamy is not almost supernaturally sync'ed up anymore, Amy's sexual frustration and unresolved sexual tension is showing (and it's interesting that Sheldon was wearing indigo, the color of compassion, because in this episode Sheldon got a taste of what Amy is feeling) while Sheldon's obtuseness, which has reached "he has got to be faking some of this" proportions, is also perfectly clear.

 

My annoyance stems from the tiny insults Sheldon keeps hurling towards Amy in the second half of this season, such as the zinger about him not caring how her stories about her day end. Overall, I don't necessarily think his actions suggest he's being the most horrible boyfriend in the world, and obviously he is spending a lot of time with her and communicating with her often. They are still close, still joined at the hip. Nevertheless, a relationship will start to deteriorate over the small things; the little things matter. All of these small little putdowns - which don't bother me when applied to his other friends but bother me deeply when applied to Amy - suggest that Sheldon really is taking Amy for granted, the same way he takes Leonard for granted. The fact that Sheldon seems to have lost his perspective here, somewhere along the line (and when did this happen? Just a few months ago he was drinking in a bar, depressed and deeply upset because he feared Amy was going to leave him because he's a callous egomaniac. Now he's acting like more of a callous egomaniac than ever. Is this behavior the result of his fears, putting into action the phrase, "you become what you fear?" I wonder.)

 

As we know, the next time we'll see Amy, she's going to reach her breaking point and throw all of the hinting that's getting her nowhere out the window and flat out ask Sheldon if he sees the two of them every being physically intimate. She will, at last, confess to him in honest terms that "sometimes she wants more." In some ways, I think that's coming as a result of that conversation is a reward for her honesty, and for finally screwing up the courage to put the issue on the table and let the cards fall where they may. And I think that the cards fall in a different pattern than she ever could have expected with Sheldon exploring the issue of sex through role-play and dice.

 

I hope for season 7 that the last scene signals an end to the dynamic in their relationship that we've seen (suddenly) since the V-Day episode. I stand firm on the fact that "something" happened during the week of writing the V-Day episode that threw things for a loop with the writers, and that things have been wonky since then as they tried to prolong something because they changed their original plan for how that episode was going to go for Shamy. What we've got because of that shift in gears, the past episodes with Shamy since that Snow White scene, have been the least harmonious and most difficult to swallow since the couple's inception. I don't know if the writers will continue this dynamic into next season (God, I hope the D&D game means they won't), because they don't know how to write this couple any other way. I think they've mined all the humor there is in "desperate Amy" and "clueless Sheldon" and then some, and I hope that the couple will evolve past this point with new issues next season, and that the foreshadowing to new things I can see in this episode end up coming about.

 

It's not surprising that Sheldon and Amy have this problem, although I am a little surprised that normally blunt Amy has been tiptoeing around it so long. I knew it was in the cards for them considering Sheldon's past stances on sexual intimacy and his pathological selfishness, but despite the way they play it for humor, it's never been better than bittersweet, and sometimes a little more bitter than sweet for me. Like I said before, I think Amy deserves to get some sugar here, finally, if that's what they want me to be rooting for.

 

As for the "I love you too" to Penny, I personally am in the camp that this was an extremely clever bit of writing which leaves it open to interpretation, and even suggests that in some ways it could be both an "I love you" in closing to Amy and an "I love you" to Penny, since it serves as both. I kinda like it as a way to hit both, and leave it open.

On one hand, I like that it serves as a moment where Sheldon has his guard down and says "I love you too" to Penny as a friend, because in his own way I think he definitely does love her, despite all of the demerits and such she's been earning, and how annoyed he seemed to be about what the DVR had been taping. The thing which is weird about it is that Penny usually relishes any bit of sweetness she gets from Sheldon, so you would think that when he says "I love you" she would have been as touched as when he gave her a hug for the Nimoy napkin, but in this case she looks creeped out, wrinkles her nose, and turns around and leaves, shutting and door and leaving him on the floor. Her reaction, honestly, really doesn't make a lot of sense to me, unless seeing Sheldon the floor like that, all breathless and blissed out, struck her as creepy. (Perhaps a blow to the Shennies - when Penny sees Sheldon in post-coital bliss she finds it creepy, not attractive.) She seemed to thrilled to announce her "epiphany" that she was passionate about her friends, you'd think Sheldon's declaration would also make her happy, but instead it just turned her off.

On the other hand, Penny said "I love having you in my life," in which case the right response from Sheldon would be, "I love having you in my life too," but instead he simply says, "I love you." It makes sense to me that Sheldon just went through all of the exercises Amy put him through that he did not finish. At the door, the last thing he left "unfinished" was the "you're a great girlfriend annnnnnnd." A logical end to that sentence is, "I love you," and the dominoes are the last thing unfinished other than that sentence. So perhaps that was the end of the sentence Sheldon was going to say to Amy, but deliberately withheld, because I don't think he was going to say "you're a sucker" to her face. I think "you're a sucker" was the start of the rebellious process of going back and getting closure on everything she denied him.

It's easy to see and interpret Sheldon's "I love you" both ways, and the phrases and reactions in the scene are definitely weird enough that you have to wonder if that's what you are meant to do. Otherwise, why have an "I love you" to Penny come out while Sheldon's in a weird state on the floor, and the phrase isn't a proper answer to what she said, and Penny didn't seem particularly impressed with hearing it?

I find it hard to say, but there's been some wonky stuff, to me, going on at the tail end of this season, starting with the v-Day episode. I'm not just talking Sheldon and Amy, either, I'm talking more about how the dialogue and scene set up has been with all of the characters in various places, such as the "Your Momma" fight between Sheldon and Raj previously that I couldn't determine was a fight about Amy or a fight about tenure.

There's just been some stuff which I find murky in the game of interpretation, and I'm not sure if the writers are doing it deliberately or not. Overall, the show remains really funny, and everyone is putting in excellent performances, but some things just seem a tad bit off to me at times. The writers will have a whole summer to review this season, and put their thinking caps on for what they plan for the future. I'm sure they're having some fun conversations about it all already, although one would hope they are enjoying a little vacation at the moment. As for me, I'm not going to put any expectations or hopes on what will be coming next season - you guys can speculate all you want about what will come next season, but I'm not going to participate - because I think that creating any head canon before things actually air or happen is a very dangerous endeavor and one I'd like to avoid. I feel grateful that I don't ship out of canon, and even let my ships die when the canon breaks up a couple I do like together even if it's painful, because I see a lot of disappointment and even bitterness that comes up when people desperately believe or hope something is going to happen and then it doesn't.

[CaitAmber]

There's a reason you can't find that line in the episode... It's because it's not actually there.   

 

Though if "this is blasphemous" sounds familiar, here's why: 

 

 

 

Bazinga, peasants. 

 

 

 

 

 

PS - Lio, your comment made me laugh so hard that I choked on my water. 

Edited April 28, 2013 by CaitAmber

[menamena]

Did you guys see this adorable interview with Jim and the rest of the cast regarding TBBT? The first question is about Shamy and it is so clear that Jim's a Shamy shipper. 

 

[untilyou]

Mena: I've already watched the vid. But I always enjoy watching it again and again. :D Jim's so cute and definitely a Shamy fan. :D

 

I love when he said: "Why not? Why can't they [Pause - I love the pause] do it?" 

 

He has been waiting so long. Poor Jim!

[Mars]

That was a lovely take on things, Lionne. Thank you.

[Lionne]

That was a lovely take on things, Lionne. Thank you.

 

You are welcome.

[BazingaFan]

I agree with your analysis, Lionne.  I was just thinking this morning that perhaps some of the things sheldon has been saying to amy later in the season was a set-up so it would more logical for her to be upset and leave the room in episode 23.  So, I'm thinking there has been some purpose behind many things going on, but you are right -- it is very murky and hard to figure out.

 

I hadn't thought about the "I love you" from sheldon being an extension of his conversation with amy from the door earlier. Very good catch. 

[koops]

The other thing to me that really points to subtle character development is that this is the third time this year Sheldon admits to having a problem and tries to "work on it". The hackey-sack in the basement, the physical contact issue, and now this. 

[silverangel]

The other thing to me that really points to subtle character development is that this is the third time this year Sheldon admits to having a problem and tries to "work on it". The hackey-sack in the basement, the physical contact issue, and now this. 

Yes I noticed it to. This is something big and meaningful for him that he admits that he has problems with something, He, Sheldon Cooper, man who  always considered himself an ideal, that has always thought and claimed that others have the problem and not him, that he always did everything perfectly, admits he has problems, and that he is not so ideal as he claimed, and he admitted it. Although there is still  stubbornness and false pride in him, but it is becoming less and gently smoothed it, of course, thanks to Amy. Amy is brilliant and she is his beloved vixen, so he does not only for her, but for himself and this is the best. She knows which and how to move his strings to force him to act, to snatch him from his safe place, and she is as patient as a saint. He loves her mind, her genius and vice versa, so they understand each other without words, because the bond between them is something more,  and that is the magic between them, and the greatest and most erothic, and susceptible to stimulation organ is the brain. So 1+1 =2 and that means we maybe will see his baby steps in changing in s7, with benefits for Amy. I HOPE

Edited April 28, 2013 by silverangelD

[Sheps88]

Alright, ladies. I have a very sexy Shamy video in the works because we need to see some heat from our little Shelly 

[silverangel]

Alright, ladies. I have a very sexy Shamy video in the works because we need to see some heat from our little Shelly 

 

GIVE IT TO ME BABY....

Edited April 28, 2013 by silverangelD

[Sheps88]

I'm debating whether to wait to use the sexy clips from 6x23 or just make the video without them so we have something yummy to watch until it airs... Suggestions?

[silverangel]

 I think it depends on you, but I would like to see the video with that clips from 6x23, but you can do it without those clips and then when there will be some sexy Shamy moments in s7 you can do next vid and add at the beggining clips from 6x23 as a beggining of something big in Shamy relationship, but in the other hand you can wait and do it with clips from 6x23 as a romantic, and so sweet, and so intimate moment as a the end of the vid, like from the beggining of their relationship till the end s6 romantic and intimate end, and begining of something new. 

Edited April 28, 2013 by silverangelD

[silverangel]

I can tell you that I have in my mind a plan to do video with  Shamy, but I have to wait  until the hiatus is over. But I already see it in my mind..and I have chosen the music for this vid.

[Sheps88]

I made a sweet video last time to really capture the romance and sentiment of their relationship, but this time it will be purely a sexy video. Something fun since we don't see a whole lot of that on screen from them. 

[silverangel]

So I say yes wait till the episode 23 to use clips from that episode. We didn't see it yet but I think that Shamy moments in that ep. are so intimate and so hot..I bet that when we will see that ep. you will feel even better that you waited for that special Shamy ep.

[Sheps88]

Alright, I'll fight the urge and wait for those clips 

[Sheps88]

Silverangel, just an FYI, but my video was totally inspired by your awesome signature.

[notchinc]

In my imagination, at the beginning of Season 7 Sheldon and Amy will have physical contact established. The initiation occurred off screen during Leonards absence and the audience has been fast forwarded in the Shamy developments without witnessing the beginnings.

[silverangel]

I want to thank you again Misophonia for your wonderful and so marvelous job with next chapter of The Family Reunion. I was so curious how they will get through  that situation with their friends knowing about their sex life. I can tell you that it was brilliant idea. First I say that, you decribed their fears and concerns about that situation so well, how they will react, and how they missed them, their feelings toward friends, and how strong bond is between them. It was so touching and beautiful. It was meaningful that last two questions was from Leonard and Penny. And Shamy answers was so sweet, and so full of love especially from Sheldon's side it was so unexpectedly true, especially that he never admitted that he has  feelings  for Amy to friends. It was so beautiful. Again I want to say that Thank you for a lot of feelings you gave us.

Edited April 28, 2013 by silverangelD

[koops]

In my imagination, at the beginning of Season 7 Sheldon and Amy will have physical contact established. The initiation occurred off screen during Leonards absence and the audience has been fast forwarded in the Shamy developments without witnessing the beginnings.

 

That's what I was thinking too. I don't think anything past hugs/cuddling and hand-holding, but I could definitely see the writers use the excuse of the summer making them closer as an explanation for off-screen progress. I actually had this mental image of Penny complaining to Raj about how she knows now how he felt all this time playing 3rd wheel to Howard and Bernadette because she had to go through the same thing with Shamy over the summer. 

 

I'm not going to really set on any type of headcanon though, because the possibilities are endless and I really have no idea what they're going to do next. But I would be pretty happy with this option.

Edited April 28, 2013 by koops

[silverangel]

Silverangel, just an FYI, but my video was totally inspired by your awesome signature.

 

Oh thank you it is a pleasure. I can say that I LOVE those gifs, and Shamy kisses so adorable and so sweet. I love their saccharin in that gifs... I want them to pour more sugar on me in s7. This gif with Sheldon in my favorite moment...so sexy like hell.... Oh great I can't wait now even more to watch it and to start my vid. 

[Guest DroneInTheSun]

I actually had this mental image of Penny complaining to Raj about how she knows now how he felt all this time playing 3rd wheel to Howard and Bernadette because she had to go through the same thing with Shamy over the summer. 

 

Can someone please write this fanfiction? Because Shamy + Raj/Penny friendship = awesomesauce. :D

[eirwinrommel]

In my imagination, at the beginning of Season 7 Sheldon and Amy will have physical contact established. The initiation occurred off screen during Leonards absence and the audience has been fast forwarded in the Shamy developments without witnessing the beginnings.

It's possible, Sheldon will need someone to 'help' him while Leonard's gone. And Amy would probably be happy to do so, resulting in more time alone. Of course if it happened off screen there will be a hoard of disappointed Shamy's (because they'd want to be there to see it happen).