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Mena,

 

Thank you for the quote from a reviewer.   That is definitely a beautiful quote.  I do believe they will eventually have Shamy consummate their love, but what I do appreciate is the fact that this reviewer does point out the obvious difference between sex and intimacy.   He/She is correct in their assessment that Sheldon and Amy have a far more intimate relationship than the other couples because they have taken time to connect on a very deep level without any physical involvement.   I agree with you that they exaggerated the other couples and their willingness to jump in the sack with anyone, because that is clearly not the case and they have all built some level of intimacy by now in their relationships.   The difference is that Shamy have it intellectually, spiritually, emotionally,  and eventually will add the physical aspect.  The other couples may have started out much more on physical  intimacy and are slowly building other intimate aspects in reverse.   Some couples make it and others don't when you reverse the order and start out that the only connection you have is on a physical nature.  I think that was part of the mistake they made with Leonard and Penny early on.   They focused on a pure physical relationship between them.   This season they added other elements to strengthen them, although it is not clear to me how they can convince the audience there will ever be an intellectual intimacy between Leonard and Penny.      At least they took time to add emotionally connection this season between the couple though and that was a vast improvement.

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Great tidbit mena. I agree with a lot of it. 

 

Although, I will say, I think the issue with Amy goes deeper than wanting sex because she has bought into the notion that sex equals intimacy (although, much like a teenage girl, seeing her friends being very sexually active and even using her virginity against her at times, like Bernadette did in 6x09, you can't blame her for believing that). I don't even know that she means sex per se when she talks about intimacy. I think the issue is that their relationship is portrayed as sexless but the issue isn't the lack of sex, it's the lack of any form of physical contact. Sheldon has been extremely stingy with showing affection to her in any form, and recently has even been downright cruel to her. I think in the scene she went for the kill and asked about sex because she probably has many questions right now, first and foremost whether Sheldon loves her and is attracted to her. Asking that question addressed all these issues at the same time.

 

I have no doubt Amy would wait forever for Sheldon if he were more open about it to her, and showed her affection and reassurance on a more regular basis. But it must be hard for her to sit and wait without knowing where his heart or head is. That's what I feel the writers need to work on: for Sheldon to be more demonstrative, in whatever quirky, odd way he can be. I think sex is just a secondary byproduct and it's not going to be the be all and end all of Shamy. 

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Great tidbit mena. I agree with a lot of it. 

 

Although, I will say, I think the issue with Amy goes deeper than wanting sex because she has bought into the notion that sex equals intimacy (although, much like a teenage girl, seeing her friends being very sexually active and even using her virginity against her at times, like Bernadette did in 6x09, you can't blame her for believing that). I don't even know that she means sex per se when she talks about intimacy. I think the issue is that their relationship is portrayed as sexless but the issue isn't the lack of sex, it's the lack of any form of physical contact. Sheldon has been extremely stingy with showing affection to her in any form, and recently has even been downright cruel to her. I think in the scene she went for the kill and asked about sex because she probably has many questions right now, first and foremost whether Sheldon loves her and is attracted to her. Asking that question addressed all these issues at the same time.

 

I have no doubt Amy would wait forever for Sheldon if he were more open about it to her, and showed her affection and reassurance on a more regular basis. But it must be hard for her to sit and wait without knowing where his heart or head is. That's what I feel the writers need to work on: for Sheldon to be more demonstrative, in whatever quirky, odd way he can be. I think sex is just a secondary byproduct and it's not going to be the be all and end all of Shamy. 

 

I will agree with this.  I think some affection is a way to demonstrate the depth of feelings you have for someone.  Even just the simple touch of the hand can be very intimate.  I think those are the things Amy desires, simple acts of affection that are an outpouring of what is inside the heart.  She wants Sheldon to express his love affectionately as well as in the other ways they share it.   I can't blame her.  Most women want affection.   Sheldon himself wants it otherwise he would not have said "don't stop" when Amy was showing him affection through their awkward couch hugs.   Sheldon just needs to get over fears.  For some reason he has equated showing affection with baser urges and of course he loves to believe he is above his baser urges.   But acts of affection does not necessarily always lead to sex.   Once he gets over that fear, I think he will be a man that can show her affection.  I am hoping we see him showing more affection this coming season.

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I'm still so impressed that they used Sheldon feelings about ZQ as a way to equate his  feelings for Amy, (And I TRULY BELIEVE that was intentional).  

 

Sheldon's feelings about LN playing Spock are long and complex on this show. He has always looked up to LN Spock as a way to live his life. By allowing Sheldon to admit that, (and I'm paraphrasing as I STUPIDLY ACCIDENTLY deleted the episode), ZQ, Spock was, " a unique, once in a lifetime thing", he was as much admitting his feelings about Amy.  

 

She is that, unique, once in a lifetime thing for him that will never happen again. He wasn't expecting it, he didn't have plans for it, and honestly he didn't want it. Yet, this thing happened to him that he can't deny or pretend it didn't happen.

 

:) I'm just..... Yeah.....It was beautiful.

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The thing that is so meaningful about the ZQ metaphor is that the main difference between the original and the new Spock is that the new Spock is actually involved romantically with Uhura. So the man who's always been Sheldon's inspiration is now in love, and Sheldon has embraced that. And we know from experience here how tough it can be for people to accept that kind of change in their favorite character ;)

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The thing that is so meaningful about the ZQ metaphor is that the main difference between the original and the new Spock is that the new Spock is actually involved romantically with Uhura. So the man who's always been Sheldon's inspiration is now in love, and Sheldon has embraced that. And we know from experience here how tough it can be for people to accept that kind of change in their favorite character ;)

 This soooo much! The fact that the man that originally said, 'live long and.....' has now embraced the 'new' Spock, well WOW! 

 

This is such a huge step forward it's just......it makes me happy.

 

Then going in and having an honest conversation with Amy (her not talking around what she wants, him not talking his way out of things), it was the absolute best way they could move these 2 characters forward without loosing the core of who the characters are. 

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Keie - what?! You deleted the episode? :icon_eek: You need to download an online version pronto, the way we outsiders do. :)

 

I agree so much with the parallel about Zachary Quinto, because that thought occurred to me, too, as soon as I heard Sheldon say that he was a 'weird, wonderful, unrepeatable event'. Where the concept of change being a good thing is concerned - especially change involving an evolution into unexpected romantic territory - I'm sure his unconscious mind connects those words and sentiments with Amy as well. And I'm almost willing to believe that the writers did it intentionally; if they did, it was masterful. But then, much else about this episode was.

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Keie - what?! You deleted the episode? :icon_eek: You need to download an online version pronto, the way we outsiders do. :)

 

I agree so much with the parallel about Zachary Quinto, because that thought occurred to me, too, as soon as I heard Sheldon say that he was a 'weird, wonderful, unrepeatable event'. Where the concept of change being a good thing is concerned - especially change involving an evolution into unexpected romantic territory - I'm sure his unconscious mind connects those words and sentiments with Amy as well. And I'm almost willing to believe that the writers did it intentionally; if they did, it was masterful. But then, much else about this episode was.

 

The whole conversation started on change.  I felt it was a big metaphor so that the audience was also being told that change can be a good thing and giving them a heads-up that Sheldon is going to change in the future, and grow.   I know it was for the character, but I also think it was a statement to the audience.   That Sheldon is weird, wonderful, and unrepeatable as a character, but that he is also one that can transition and still be weird, wonderful and unrepeatable.   He can be allowed to grow and turn into a man, a man that has desires for his special lady and who will fall in love, just like the ZQ character fell in love.  

 

It was such a rich dialog that it sort of gives me chills when I think about how brilliant the writers have been in this specific episode.

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The thing that is so meaningful about the ZQ metaphor is that the main difference between the original and the new Spock is that the new Spock is actually involved romantically with Uhura. So the man who's always been Sheldon's inspiration is now in love, and Sheldon has embraced that. And we know from experience here how tough it can be for people to accept that kind of change in their favorite character ;)

 

Koops, thank you for posting this. I watched the new Movie last Wednesday and actually had the same thoughts. And when Leonard and Sheldon started talking about Mr. Quinto as Spock (btw, the hell of a sexy, totally adorable Spock   :wub: ) I immediatly thought of Kolinar. Kolinar surprisingly is not the answer to all emotions one has to suffer :rolleyes:.  

 

I do not want to spoil anyone who has not seen the Movie as this is not the Star Trek spoiler thread, but one thing must be said: Spock was very emotional in it! 

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Koops, thank you for posting this. I watched the new Movie last Wednesday and actually had the same thoughts. And when Leonard and Sheldon started talking about Mr. Quinto as Spock (btw, the hell of a sexy, totally adorable Spock   :wub: ) I immediatly thought of Kolinar. Kolinar surprisingly is not the answer to all emotions one has to suffer :rolleyes:.  

 

I do not want to spoil anyone who has not seen the Movie as this is not the Star Trek spoiler thread, but one thing must be said: Spock was very emotional in it! 

 

If you want another parallel, in the original pilot for Star Trek, Spock demonstrated quite a bit of emotion (for instance, there is the big smile he give when members of the landing party see a butterfly).   In the original pilot for TBBT, Sheldon admits to having sex with the girl that Leonard is thinking of dating.  The first ST pilot also had different characters and some that were added to the second pilot.  TBBT had two characters dropped and three more added.

 

This doesn't make your's or Koop's points any less valid.  Just something else to think about when thinking about parallels.  

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That's an interesting tidbit Tensor! I actually have to admit never having watched the original TBBT pilot. I'm just not very interested in things that don't end up being canon and I also think, from the little I've seen of that pilot, it would weird me out a little.

 

As far as the new ST reboot is concerned, I was like Sheldon about it, I went in thinking I'd hate it (not a fan of JJ Abrams, and I love Spock, so I thought it was going to be terrible), but ended up really really liking it. It was very odd. Haven't seen the new one yet though, so no spoilers in here please :p

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If you want another parallel, in the original pilot for Star Trek, Spock demonstrated quite a bit of emotion (for instance, there is the big smile he give when members of the landing party see a butterfly).   In the original pilot for TBBT, Sheldon admits to having sex with the girl that Leonard is thinking of dating.  The first ST pilot also had different characters and some that were added to the second pilot.  TBBT had two characters dropped and three more added.

 

This doesn't make your's or Koop's points any less valid.  Just something else to think about when thinking about parallels.  

 

Thanks Tensor, thats great. I must admit I have never seen the Star Trek Original series pilot. But I am very familiar with the TBBT unaired pilot.

 

What I enjoy pointing out is the change of the Spock character in the new Movies compared the Original. I do not want to say to much because of spoilers. Have you seen the new one yet?

 

I love that the way Sheldon likes to see himself als a controlled person, like Spock, gets a new drive as the "NEW" Spock has changed pretty much imo. 

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Thanks Tensor, thats great. I must admit I have never seen the Star Trek Original series pilot. But I am very familiar with the TBBT unaired pilot.

 

What I enjoy pointing out is the change of the Spock character in the new Movies compared the Original. I do not want to say to much because of spoilers. Have you seen the new one yet?

 

I love that the way Sheldon likes to see himself als a controlled person, like Spock, gets a new drive as the "NEW" Spock has changed pretty much imo. 

 

I'm not sure it's the new/old Spock as much as a younger/older Spock thing.  Spock in the original Pilot was younger, closer in age to the character now in the movies (it's specified that the events in the pilot happened thirteen years prior to the first episode of the original series) .   So, he may have had his struggles controlling his emotions when young (the pilot and the current movies) but was later able to control them (the original series and the movies based on them).    

 

Or, the writers just blew the continuity (as there is also no mention of Christopher Pike, the original commander of the Enterprise).  We fans of TBBT know how that works.  LOL.

 

BTW, there are two ways to see the original pilot "The Cage".  If you want to see almost all of the original pilot footage of ST:TOS, look for the two part episode, "The Menagerie".   What Roddenberry did was to use footage from the pilot as a flashback during the trial of Spock for commandeering the Enterprise.   Or, if you can find it, they actually ran the entire episode in 1988 and 1996 as part of a Star Trek retrospective.  It's also included in the Remastered Third season DVD release.  

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One thing I noticed that I didn't pick up on before is that Sheldon really reads Amy's body language and expressions perfectly in that scene. He knows when she's being sarcastic and when he has to say more because she's not getting what he means. And he really knows how to lead her through the game when she's being hesitant. 

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Lovely analyses by so many. Only thing I can say from the latest episode is that I'm really happy about the direction of Shamy progress now. I loved the bedroom scene so much, Sheldon was so gentle to Amy. More gentle than ever usually. He sensed the vulnerability of the situation and how fragile the moment and the topic at hand was. I really agree with many posts here about the significance of the bedroom scene for their relationship. I think the writers addressed the direction for season 7 with this for Shamy, and it is surely a good direction. Maybe it is time to move Sheldon's love to Amy to more practical level than ever before from now on. 

 

It came to my mind, although I think this may have been discussed countless of times before, but when I was watching older episodes I first time recognized that when Sheldon was asked in 4x21 "Have you ever kissed a girl before?", Sheldon answered, "Other than my mother, mee-maw and sister, no". He didn't even count Beverly's kiss attempt as a kiss in season 3. Surely he remembered it, with his eidetic memory. But he didn't even count that as a kiss, what it represented to him.  And then later in that episode he had his first romantic kiss with Amy. Now, if he were asked, have you kissed a girl before, his answer would be different. It could be, "I have kissed a girl, and it was fascinating". Because Amy is so fascinating to him. 

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That's an interesting tidbit Tensor! I actually have to admit never having watched the original TBBT pilot. I'm just not very interested in things that don't end up being canon and I also think, from the little I've seen of that pilot, it would weird me out a little.

Much of that pilot made it into an actual episode. As a result, everything, from the pilot, that was in the episode, has become canon.

Koops, I just realized I misread your post. Ignore this.

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