Ship Zone The Shamy Thread! (Season 6 Edition-Spoilers)

[rubyanjel]

Oh, and please don't annoy BP today. It's his birthday. Let's skip the ranting after today.

[koops]

Wait what? What's happening? Why are people harassing Bill? I swear if they get even stingier next year because of people harassing them I'm going to start taking hostages! 

 

But... yay for confirmation, thanks Chloe

[rachelshamyfan]

Something to do with people saying there was too much Lenny and not enough shamy though it seemed pretty even to me!

[phantagrae]

Word of advice, if you're going to express your disappointment, you do not go telling a showrunner how to run his sitcom especially over something he's been doing for six years and complain about another showrunner just because you think it's not in favor of what you like. It's like you're rubbing it in his face that his decisions for HIS OWN SHOW are incorrect. For the record, Bill Prady ISN'T responsible for the fluffy couple and relationship things that  happens in the show. He said so himself, it's Molaro's business.

 

Also, remember, they're not Gods. They're humans too. They have patience and once it runs out, no more responses to fans.

 

We all love Shamy but for Pete's ass' sake, don't go crazy like those Shenny shippers who kept on whining and spamming the writers and the other actors and staff. It's not like Sheldon and Amy are the only freaking characters in this effing show.

 

I am not directing this to any particular person but that it's only just going to make people generalize us more and prove that we "all" only care about Shamy, which obviously isn't the case. Well, if that IS the case for you, then please speak for yourself.

 

I agree--I think that one drawback to famous people being accessible via social media is that people say things online that they probably wouldn't dare say (I hope!) to their faces.

And when it comes to someone's job, especially in the entertainment industry, people need to be circumspect.

 

I was cringing when people were complaining about Lucy--not just complaining about the character (which TPTB had created...) but also complaining about the actress (whom TPTB had chosen on purpose for the role) and complaining about her LOOKS!!!

 

It would be as if you went up to the head of some company (where you don't work) and complained about their choice of manager and the employees they had hired.

 

But also, in the entertainment industry, you do all kinds of interviews and even if you might be somewhat underwhelmed by an actor/actress's performance, you don't go around saying things like that in public, and certainly not on social media these days.  And you try never to burn bridges because you don't know who you might end up having to work with in the future.

 

We don't know how TPTB felt about Kate/Lucy, for instance--maybe they felt the character didn't work as well as they were hoping, maybe they didn't feel Kate was up to par, OR, maybe they are going to bring Lucy back and maybe they loved Kate.  I imagine that whatever their true opinions are, they've been discussed behind closed doors, and they're never going to trash Kate or the character of Lucy in public because that's just bad manners.

 

And when it comes to Steve Molaro, I don't think Chuck and Bill have anything to complain about.  The show has been as strong or stronger in the ratings as it has ever been, many of the critics seem to be pleased about the episodes, and nothing has falled apart under his watch.

And it's not as if Chuck and Bill gave the show to Steve and then walked away.  If they had had any fundamental issues with anything he was choosing to do, I'm sure they would have made it clear and put a stop to whatever they disliked.

 

Sometimes fans want to, or think they can, micromanage every little thing about their favorite shows, especially with the internet where you can voice your opinion in so many different ways.  You don't like an episode, complain all you want.  But when it comes to saying to someone's virtual face, "I think you were wrong to hire _____ because they don't know what they're doing!" or "I think this actor/actress [whom this person chose on purpose] SUCKS and you should never have hired him/her!!!" or whatever, it just serves to alienate and offend, not fix anything.

 

I just think that it's rude to complain about personnel issues.

[Misophonia]

OK. This has nothing to do with anything that has been discussed thus far, but I need some help. What season and episode does Sheldon say the quote below? It's been killing me, and I refuse to rewatch all the seasons trying to figure this out.

 

“Love is in the air? Wrong. Nitrogen, oxygen, argon, and carbon dioxide are in the air.”

 

Thanks!

[phantagrae]

You're welcome.

 

Momma Lio, thank you (and your co-writers) for the amazing fanfics!!! THEY'RE ALL AMAZING!

 

 

 

What slip? In my understanding, the characters that Jim and Mayim [are playing] do have a growing relationship.

 

If you look at how they captioned all the other pictures, when referring to the characters or the actors, they obviously left out the charcter names.

The way the sentence is worded, it does not really imply the meaning you gave it.

Though we know that's what they meant, the way it is worded implies that Jim and Mayim are the characters' names.  Bad journalism.

[rubyanjel]

Bill is PROUD of Molaro because he has mentioned that most of the things that has happened in season 6 (most of the touchy-feely things) are from Steven and that he would have never come up of those. Just see how he has worded that response.

 

OK. This has nothing to do with anything that has been discussed thus far, but I need some help. What season and episode does Sheldon say the quote below? It's been killing me, and I refuse to rewatch all the seasons trying to figure this out.

 

“Love is in the air? Wrong. Nitrogen, oxygen, argon, and carbon dioxide are in the air.”

 

Thanks!

I think it was Dwight from The Office who said so. Not Sheldon.

 

Phanta, well, I asked a non-tbbt viewer and she understood it the same as how I understood it the first read.

Edited June 7, 2013 by rubyanjel

[Misophonia]

That would make sense as to why I couldn't remember. Ugh. My sister asked the other day and I haven't been able to come up with an answer.

[rubyanjel]

That would make sense as to why I couldn't remember. Ugh. My sister asked the other day and I haven't been able to come up with an answer.

She must've seen the meme that some random person came up with. Poor Dwight, non-TBBT viewers thought Sheldon has uttered those words.

[phantagrae]

Bill is PROUD of Molaro because he has mentioned that most of the things that has happened in season 6 (most of the touchy-feely things) are from Steven and that he would have never come up of those. Just see how he has worded that response.

 

I think it was Dwight from The Office who said so. Not Sheldon.

 

Phanta, well, I asked a non-tbbt viewer and she understood it the same as how I understood it the first read.

 

Was that person a native English-speaker?

[phantagrae]

She must've seen the meme that some random person came up with. Poor Dwight, non-TBBT viewers thought Sheldon has uttered those words.

 

I just did a quick search and it comes up attributed to both Sheldon and Dwight Shrute...

I can't check out any of the links provided, though because they all seem to be blocked here at work...

[rubyanjel]

Try to search that on bigbangtrans. Nothing comes up. Because it has spread all over the net and has associated the quote with Sheldon. Some random person used the quote and placed it on a photo of Sheldon and voila, they thought it's his.

[Misophonia]

I think the main reason that people feel there is more Lenny than Shamy is not because there has actually been more screen time/progress for one couple this season over the other. I think it is more the overall tone of how that progress is conveyed. With Lenny, it is always serious and emotional when they take a step forward. (Example: When Penny tells Leonard she loves him for the first time.)

 

With Amy and Sheldon, however, it's not. No matter what step they are taking in their relationship, it always seems like the writers are waiting in the wings to drop the other shoe--so to speak--or to make a big joke. There is always a joke that comes which undermines whatever progress Shamy have made. (Example: Amy kisses Sheldon the first time. He doesn't freak out. She immediately has to go vomit. Cue: laughs. This is also true when Sheldon makes Amy his emergency contact--cue scene where Sheldon is annoying the crap out of her by being a hypochondriac--for laughs--and even in the D&D sex scene where they are being interrupted at the end by Penny and Leonard. "Fourteen!" Cue laughs.)

 

My point is that Lenny is the main show couple. They have been it since the first episode. It just seems to me that Shamy (and even at times Howardette) are there mainly for laughs. The issue, therefore, is that the Shamy shippers are getting tired of seeing their main couple get the short end of the proverbial stick. Like Amy said in "Love Spell,"  "They think our relationship is a joke." For the writers, I think this is mostly true and the Shamy shippers are tired of it.

 

I know I am.

Edited June 7, 2013 by Misophonia

[Misophonia]

Try to search that on bigbangtrans. Nothing comes up. Because it has spread all over the net and has associated the quote with Sheldon. Some random person used the quote and placed it on a photo of Sheldon and voila, they thought it's his.

 

Good to know. I didn't have an answer. I thought I was gonna have to lose my BBT street cred for a while there because I didn't recognize it. LOL

[koops]

Ok, I went and checked out that tweet and it isn't as bad as I thought. I think the person was just expressing her opinion, I think BP misunderstood the point of that tweet, it sounds like the woman was talking more about screentime etc, not about big events for the characters. Yes, there has been D&D sex, but Amy has been on the backburner as a character all year long. Same for Bernadette and H/B as a couple. The only thing is, one season isn't enough to say whether it's because of the change showrunner or simply because that's where the inspiration was this particular season. Not every season can be about all characters equally. I do hope we get more Amy next year too (and I don't mean Shamy). 

 

eta: @Miso. I'm not sure I entirely agree with that. There was the pun of Penny just leaving Leonard to go to work when she said ILY and she blurted it out without realizing (which, to me personally, can seem a bit underwhelming), and their emotional goodbye in the car in the finale had Sheldon being a pain in the butt in the backseat. I found that although you do often wait for the other shoe to drop with Shamy, on the other hand, and the jokes are thrown in there (because it's a sitcom after all), there have been several moments where they were possibly even more serious than all the other couples: when Sheldon tells her he cares about her well being (you can hear the audience is exactly waiting for the pun, and it doesn't come, so they go 'awww'), the talk in 6x14, the talk in 6x23, etc.

 

I do have an issue with Sheldon being reigned in a bit too much, and with the backtracking, but I don't think their relationship is being played for jokes. I think the reason why the Shamy moments might not seem as emotional is because the writers still have an issue with letting Sheldon be emotional. Until they get past that, and until they get comfortable enough with being occasionally sentimental in general (which they're getting more comfortable with lately), I think the punchlines are going to keep coming for all couples. And I don't think all punchlines are bad. I think the bad ones are the ones where it ruins everything that was just said/done (for example, if they had used the first take from the 6x01 restaurant scene), but if it's something like "14!" or "Howard, that's the most beautiful thing I've ever heard, and it came out of you!", you still get the laughs but you don't cheapen the moment. IMO.

Edited June 7, 2013 by koops

[Guest DroneInTheSun]

I don't think the writers see the Shamy as a joke at all. I mean, they've been pretty clear on the fact that they love the Shamy and can't wait to see it grow. I think the writers want the Shamy to evolve into an emotional territory as much as we do, but there is still the problem of the "Never Happy Viewers" who keep moaning that Sheldon is changing. Lbr, for one Shamy shipper complaining to them about the lack of screentilme, I'm pretty sure they get ten "THE SHOW WAS BETTER BEFORE!!!1!one!"

 

Then we have to keep in mind that this is a sitcom. Everything is going to be played for laughs. Even Raj's big, big moment (I mean the guy is 30+ years old and he's only now able to talk to women) is played for laughs when you have him talking the ears off Amy, Bernadette and Penny. L/P's moments were played for laughs too (they didn't even get a proper goodbye at the airport for example)

 

Now it's true that L/P had more screentime than Shamy this year, but I also feel like the Shamy came farther than L/P did. And to be fair, S5 really was Shamy and Howardette heavy.

[CaitAmber]

Goodness me, why do all the epic discussions happen when I'm sleeping? While the Queen's away, the peasants will play? 

[koops]

Nevermind, I'm kind of facepalming reading the article Tensor just posted in the TBBT press thread. I change my mind about Molaro every 10 minutes. LOL. Let's just say I'm glad I'm writing my fic about the hiatus. 

[Misophonia]

So, I am a peasant again? Really, your majesty? LOL

[rubyanjel]

Speaking of the Devil...

So Shenny is real after all.

http://www.vulture.com/2013/06/big-bang-theory-steve-molaro-interview.html

 

Looking ahead to season seven, who's going to miss Leonard more: Penny or Sheldon?

I think that's an excellent question you're asking. Pen has not been put to paper, but I think it's fair to say that the key figure in these two characters' lives, Penny and Sheldon's, is missing, and I think it's fair to say that it will have an impact on their friendship and their relationship. I think it's an opportunity for them to get closer.

 

 

Hail Tara!

 

 

The last three episodes of the season were stellar, especially Sheldon and Amy upping the ante on their relationship.
We could not be more proud of how that scene turned out. Jim and Mayim are spectacular. It was beautiful. I loved that we could have such a big, energetic, broad, funny story line, [along with] Simon doing impressions and everyone drinking and playing Dungeons & Dragons, but then just take this hard left turn and go to a place that suddenly gets really quiet and really intimate between Sheldon and Amy. One of the writers, Tara Hernandez, described the scene as "so intimate it's almost hard to watch."

 

Edited June 7, 2013 by rubyanjel

[koops]

Yeah, that's what I was facepalming about. No plans for Shamy but plans for Shenny. Sounds like the thought of using the summer to make Shamy closer hasn't even crossed their radar.

[rubyanjel]

Well, I don't have qualms about it really, since Bill and ALL the writers have specified they're friends. So why should I get mad about it?

Unless they really do something stupid. Some people already know how it will blow off from me.

Edited June 7, 2013 by rubyanjel

[CaitAmber]

So, I am a peasant again? Really, your majesty? LOL

 

Sorry, I forgot to add some legal script.

 

Ahem.

 

"The peasants* will play" 

 

*GeneralSharmyfolknotincludingpersonsbestowedwithroyaltitlesorcertainfictioncelebritiesthatshallremainnameless

Edited June 7, 2013 by CaitAmber

[koops]

Well, I don't have qualms about it really, since Bill and ALL the writers have specified they're friends. So why should I get mad about it?

 

I'm not mad about Shenny, I'm disappointed that it sounds like using the summer to progress Shamy hasn't even crossed their minds, but instead they are focusing on S/P. That's very disappointing to me. I know it's a long way to S7, but it sounds like it isn't a priority and that they don't have any plans to evolve from status-quo. 

[rachelshamyfan]

Maybe somebody going to comic con could ask the questions re the shamy for us!