Ship Zone The Shamy Thread! (Season 6 Edition-Spoilers)

[phantagrae]

Well, I guess I'm the only one who would enjoy a Shenny dream. I don't think it would be anymore cliche than anything else on the show. And besides, those kinds of things happen all the time whether or not somebody desires it in real life. When someone dreams of somebody breaking into their home and pointing a gun to their head, is that because they want it to happen in real life?

 

I just think it's fairly obvious, because it's one of those things that will shock the audience and bring tension between the two characters. It would be something to take advantage of. Whether or not the writers would ever do it, I don't know.

 

A dream may be the manifestation of subconscious fears or desires or problems, but I can't imagine any scenario that would lead either of these characters to have such a dream about the other (in terms of dream romance or dream kissing or something like that.)

I can't imagine a scenario in which Sheldon would dream about Penny in any significant way, nor she him, unless she had some kind of bad dream where SHeldon kept showing up to bug her about something (in a negative context.)  Sheldon's fears always seem to manifest themselves within a certain framework--things like the Gorn or Spock or the Morlocks or Goofy.  Or angry Santa.

 

Maybe if he did something to make Penny mad at him, he might dream about her doing something to get back at him, but why put that in a dream sequence when they could do that in real life?

 

I just don't think there's much point in any kind of Sheldon/Penny dream sequence after all this time.

[Sheps88]

yeah its on the show page and its extremely scary the ludicrousness of it!

*shudders*

[bigbangsheldon]

Anyway.

Edited June 10, 2013 by bigbangsheldon

[Maddie]

Not gonna happen and no offense but please take your shenny dream obsession to the shenny thread!

 

If you've seen any of my posts on here, it will be pretty obvious to you that I'm a 100% Shamy shipper, and I do not ship Shenny nor do I have an "obsession" of any kind regarding them. It was just an amusing thought. It would be an exciting thing for me, and despite what everyone here is suggesting, would in no way take anything away from Shamy!

 

I guess I just can't understand why everyone is feeling offended when it's just a simple musing. Something to think about. I thought we could have a nice discussion about it.

 

But I guess I should have known better than to post something like that in the Shamy thread anyway. :P Oops.

 

I think everyone kind of assumed I'm a Shenny shipper and I'm over here to stir things up. That's not it at all. Trust me.

Edited June 10, 2013 by Maddie21

[CaitAmber]

Goodness me, look at what hath transpired while the queen slumbered. 

 

Ya'll have been busy. 

 

And Koops, your new member title is several variations of fantastic. 

[koops]

Even though there might be other cliche' things on the show (and the writers are often very good at flipping the cliches around in original ways - e.g. TAD kiss, TCKI sex scenario), the writers are VERY aware of that faction of the fandom who wants Sheldon and Penny to get together and there would be no other reason for them to include it than to appease them. What other point would there be in a scene like that other than wanting to see them kiss? I just don't see what's exciting about creating tension between Sheldon and Penny in that way. You want to create tension between two characters who have romantic interest towards each other, not between two characters with a sibling-type relationship. Where would that lead? 

[Maddie]

Appeasing them wouldn't be such a terrible thing, because they are fans and they desire it the way we desire a SIK. Yes it's absolutely true that Penny and Sheldon have zero romantic chemistry and there have been no inclinations that there ever will be, but why shouldn't they be appeased? Regardless, I'm not saying that I want Shenny to happen at all, but if it did in a dream sequence, I would be interested in that whole dynamic. Not necessarily in a Shenny kiss, but just the thought planted in one of their heads of seeing the other in a romantic way, however revolted they may be of the idea. I can see it happening to Sheldon because he's often misconstruing people's actions, so maybe one night while Leonard is away, Penny is left taking care of him and she does something innocent which he misinterprets and then has a dream about it, bolts up in bed freaked out. Sheldon calls Leonard, freaks him out, ruffles everyone's feathers. It may be cheap, but it would be effective. People would watch that episode if they saw the promo.

[Guest DroneInTheSun]

But it's not the writers' fault that people are shipping non canon things and they don't owe them anything. TPTB never promised any Shenny, they were even quite adamant of the fact that it would never happen. There are thousands of books/TV shows/movies with ten times as much non-canon ships that will never be catered to. It's the price you're willing to pay when you start shipping something that is not canon.

[sarah7]

Maddie, I understand you say you are only musing (and messing )around and that you are a Shamy and that we are not a close-minded group and everything, but I just couldn't stand something like what you are proposing happening. And not only because I don't support the S/P pairing at all (and leaving aside the fact I don't give a frack about their shippers' needs )

 

First of all, I don't think it would be funny at all. Second, it would be OOC for every one of them. Apparently Sheldon already thougth Penny had something for him (as evidenced by what he said in Flaming Spitoon) and he couldn't care less, why would he freak out now all of the sudden by thinking the same thing? And Leonard had never been jealous of Sheldon (obvs because he doesn't have any reason to)

 

Third, it will terribly hurt the actual relationship Sheldon has with Penny, for me, it would be like a romantic dream sequence between siblings, or a Mom and his child..... yuck!

 

Something like this could had happened in season 3, perhaps, but NOT now, specially because now Amy exists and is Sheldon's partner.

 

As Koops had said, I don't think something like that is necessary at all, on top of all, to put that at the beginning of 7th season, would be awful timing!!!!!

It happens while Leonard is away, so, it's like if they were cheating on him, and we had seen Amy craving for Sheldon's affection for all past season, now, all of the sudden, we are going to see him being affectionate with other woman before her? Even if we know all the time it's not real, it will still be terrible as the visual impression would last.

 

So, no, please NO.

 

I don't even want to think about it.

 

Where's the brain bleach?

 

Now, to have Sheldon freaking out after having a juicy dream about Amy, now we are talking about something!

Edited June 11, 2013 by sarah7

[Maddie]

But it's not the writers' fault that people are shipping non canon things and they don't owe them anything. TPTB never promised any Shenny, they were even quite adamant of the fact that it would never happen. There are thousands of books/TV shows/movies with ten times as much non-canon ships that will never be catered to. It's the price you're willing to pay when you start shipping something that is not canon.

 

Not saying they deserve it, just saying they have a right to want it to happen and to have a thread and all that jazz.

 

Maddie, I understand you say you are only musing (and messing )around and that you are a Shamy and that we are not a close-minded group and everything, but I just couldn't stand something like what you are proposing happening. And not only because I don't support the S/P pairing at all (and leaving aside the fact I don't give a frack about their shippers' needs )

 

First of all, I don't think it would be funny at all. Second, it would be OOC for every one of them. Apparently Sheldon already thougth Penny had something for him (as evidenced by what he said in Flaming Spitoon) and he couldn't care less, why would he freak out now all of the sudden by thinking the same thing? And Leonard had never been jealous of Sheldon (obvs because he doesn't have any reason to)

 

Third, it will terribly hurt the actual relationship Sheldon has with Penny, for me, it would be like a romantic dream sequence between siblings, or a Mom and his child..... yuck!

 

Something like this could had happened in season 3, perhaps, but NOT now, specially because now Amy exists and is Sheldon's partner.

 

As Koops had said, I don't think something like that is necessary at all, on top of all, to put that at the beginning of 7th season, would be awful timing!!!!!

It happens while Leonard is away, so, it's like if they were cheating on him, and we had seen Amy craving for Sheldon's affection for all past season, now, all of the sudden, we are going to see him being affectionate with other woman before her? Even if we know all the time it's not real, it will still be terrible as the visual impression would last.

 

So, no, please NO.

 

I don't even want to think about it.

 

Where's the brain bleach?

 

Now, to have Sheldon freaking out after having a juicy dream about Amy, now we are talking about something!

 

Thank you for understanding, haha. All valid points. I guess it's different strokes for different folks, eh? I don't see it as being as damaging as you'd think, just a simple fun little episode, the type of thing that would be resolved and done with fast. You know? I've talked about it with some of my friends, who are just casual viewers, and they all liked the idea. This was the wrong community to suggest this sort of thing, though, so my apologies. :]

 

I'm still a little confused as to why everyone's so grossed out by the idea. I mean, they're not actually siblings and "romance" between them has been alluded to throughout the show. But I'm not going to press it any further.

 

Anyways, a Shamy dream? I'd much rather see the real thing. ;]

[sarah7]

 

Thank you for understanding, haha. All valid points. I guess it's different strokes for different folks, eh? I don't see it as being as damaging as you'd think, just a simple fun little episode, the type of thing that would be resolved and done with fast. You know? I've talked about it with some of my friends, who are just casual viewers, and they all liked the idea. This was the wrong community to suggest this sort of thing, though, so my apologies. :]

 

I'm still a little confused as to why everyone's so grossed out by the idea. I mean, they're not actually siblings and "romance" between them has been alluded to throughout the show. But I'm not going to press it any further.

 

Anyways, a Shamy dream? I'd much rather see the real thing. ;]

 

You know? Something that had hurt the most my enjoyment of the show and specifically my shipping as lately, had been precisely "fun" little bits, like Sheldon saying disrespectful words to Amy. Those things are just throwaway jokes and apparently doesn't have any consequence or are remembered in further episodes, but I can't help but feel hurt. I don't need any more "fun" like that right now

 

I think there are several reasons because some of us are grossed out by the idea, one of them is how delicate Shamy is, and how unique, I mean, we are not talking about two average persons trying another relationship in their already experienced love-life, they are two very peculiar characters living their very first romantic relationship with each other, there's something beautiful about that, I would feel as if it was somewhat ruined if they were fooling around with other people, not in a real, nor in an imaginary situation. I wouldn't like Amy to be with other guys either (even when I've been at the edge of wishing someone else for her when Sheldon behaves as his worst)

 

As you had said, Sheldon had been shown in compromising situations with Penny before for comedic reasons, but somehow a dream would have a deeper impact. As many had said, to dream about something, I mean, to have thoughts about something when you are not consicious, could be interpreted as an inner, unspoken desire, it's quite different to be consiciously joking about being "an old married couple".

 

That's why I mentioned it would be much more adequate to have Sheldon dreaming about Amy. Besides it would be an opportunity to see him being affectionate with her without "rushing things" and keeping the slow pace between them as they loooooove to 

[rubyanjel]

Well, isn't this a great time to mention this?

 

 

THR: Steve, Big Bang fans are very engaged in social media. How much attention do you pay to what they want your characters to do and not do?

Molaro: I am affected by social media, but I try not to read too much of that. I think if we acted on a large number of tweets that were sent to me, Sheldon and Penny would have sex every week.

 

This is proof that no matter how many fans 'harass' Prady and Molaro by pushing them to "just get Sheldon and Penny to fuck each other" they still won't do it. Why?There's this  large number of active Shenny shippers tweeting them but that doesn't mean they ARE big and they are supposed to be appeased. It's their show and they know what's best for their own characters. They won't take shit from the vocal minority. They've been doing it for years but out of Molaro's own words, "If we acted on the large number of tweets, Sheldon and Penny would have sex every week." Which, let's face it HAS NEVER AND WILL NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS HAPPEN EVEN IN A MILLION YEARS OR EVEN IN A DREAM ALTERNATE UNIVERSE SEQUENCE.

I hope that vaguely answers your question as to why a Shenny dream sequence won't happen. That, and the fact that they have already used the dream sequence for pursuing a couple or trying to test the waters for the benefit of a couple, and that was the plot for their 100th episode (whoops, spoiler alert!)

 

All the love,

bat-crap crazy Duchess Anjelica

[Maddie]

I never said anything about them having sex. Now THAT I would be against completely. I was thinking much more innocently, not even with a kiss in mind really. And the writers don't do anything they don't want to do, nor should they.

[CaitAmber]

Guys, she was just throwing a thought out there, let the poor girl breathe. Holy crap on a sandwich. 

Edited June 11, 2013 by CaitAmber

[phantagrae]

You know, this reminds me of an infamous episode of The X-Files...

There's an episode that kind of borrows its structure from the story of The Last Temptation of Christ.

In the episode, Agent Mulder is in a mental ward due to some issues he's been having. At one point, the bad guy, The Cigarette-Smoking Man, apparently gives Mukder an injection that allows him to be lucid. The CSM then takes Mukder to a lovely suburban neighborhood where his long-lost sister Samantha has apparently been living happily all along.

Also there is a woman who used to be Mulder's partner and lover, Agent Diana Fowley. She sleeps with Mulder then starts talking to him about leaving his work on the X-Files to settle down and have a family.

He then has a sequence of visions of getting married to her, having children, then growing old.

His partner (and the other half of the famous Mulder/Scully Relationship), Agent Scully, finally shows up as he is on his deathbed.

She calls him a coward for giving up while the aliens are destroying the earth.

It turns out that Mulder was in a secret hospital, having some kind of brain surgery, being held there by the CSM and Fowley, and Scully is the one who comes to rescue him.

So, a number of MSR fans flipped out over this dream or hallucination because they said that Mulder dreaming about Diana Fowley meant that she was his true love, not Scully, and some people said that he ended up with Scully only because Fowley was killed at the end of the episode.

Of course, that interpretation was wrong, but it forever left a bad taste in the mouths of many MSR fans because of the way it looked.

No matter how innocuous any kind of "Seldon and Penny have a romantic moment in a dream" scene might be,it will be glommed onto by Shenny fans as "proof" that there is the potential for that kind of relationship.

Even Penny's flat out "you're not the guy" denial in Flaming Spitoon isn't enough to deter some Shenny fans from claiming that scene as some kind of "proof" that the Shenny exists.

[rachelshamyfan]

If you've seen any of my posts on here, it will be pretty obvious to you that I'm a 100% Shamy shipper, and I do not ship Shenny nor do I have an "obsession" of any kind regarding them. It was just an amusing thought. It would be an exciting thing for me, and despite what everyone here is suggesting, would in no way take anything away from Shamy!

I guess I just can't understand why everyone is feeling offended when it's just a simple musing. Something to think about. I thought we could have a nice discussion about it.

But I guess I should have known better than to post something like that in the Shamy thread anyway. :P Oops.

I think everyone kind of assumed I'm a Shenny shipper and I'm over here to stir things up. That's not it at all. Trust me.

OK I hadn't noticed and I was caught up in the disaster that would be shenny urgh

[rachelshamyfan]

You know, this reminds me of an infamous episode of The X-Files...

There's an episode that kind of borrows its structure from the story of The Last Temptation of Christ.

In the episode, Agent Mulder is in a mental ward due to some issues he's been having. At one point, the bad guy, The Cigarette-Smoking Man, apparently gives Mukder an injection that allows him to be lucid. The CSM then takes Mukder to a lovely suburban neighborhood where his long-lost sister Samantha has apparently been living happily all along.

Also there is a woman who used to be Mulder's partner and lover, Agent Diana Fowley. She sleeps with Mulder then starts talking to him about leaving his work on the X-Files to settle down and have a family.

He then has a sequence of visions of getting married to her, having children, then growing old.

His partner (and the other half of the famous Mulder/Scully Relationship), Agent Scully, finally shows up as he is on his deathbed.

She calls him a coward for giving up while the aliens are destroying the earth.

It turns out that Mulder was in a secret hospital, having some kind of brain surgery, being held there by the CSM and Fowley, and Scully is the one who comes to rescue him.

So, a number of MSR fans flipped out over this dream or hallucination because they said that Mulder dreaming about Diana Fowley meant that she was his true love, not Scully, and some people said that he ended up with Scully only because Fowley was killed at the end of the episode.

Of course, that interpretation was wrong, but it forever left a bad taste in the mouths of many MSR fans because of the way it looked.

No matter how innocuous any kind of "Seldon and Penny have a romantic moment in a dream" scene might be,it will be glommed onto by Shenny fans as "proof" that there is the potential for that kind of relationship.

Even Penny's flat out "you're not the guy" denial in Flaming Spitoon isn't enough to deter some Shenny fans from claiming that scene as some kind of "proof" that the Shenny exists.

Some of the shennies seem to be convinced that when penny kissed Sheldon on the nose that she was actually kissing him on the lips! I can understand believing in something strongly enough to want it but not something clearly does not exist!

[Maddie]

Guys, she was just throwing a thought out there, let the poor girl breathe. Holy crap on a sandwich. 

 

Thank you!

[rubyanjel]

Some of the shennies seem to be convinced that when penny kissed Sheldon on the nose that she was actually kissing him on the lips! I can understand believing in something strongly enough to want it but not something clearly does not exist!

Ugh. Tell me about it. And take note there exist a youtube channel where you can watch Shenny scenes and be a shenny fan by not having to watch all the episode and only know the show through those videos.

[rachelshamyfan]

You know there is two shenny camps it seems, there is the camp that ships the friendship which is fine and then the camp that want them as a couple but to get that they want to break up two couples just to get what they want, kinda says a lot about them really! Would they do that in real life!?

[rachelshamyfan]

Ugh. Tell me about it. And take note there exist a youtube channel where you can watch Shenny scenes and be a shenny fan by not having to watch all the episode and only know the show through those videos.

I shall avoid that channel and the shenny fan fics, though there was one that started off as a shamy one but ended up shenny which made me mad Edited June 11, 2013 by rachygd

[koops]

I think when shows start doing stuff to appease certain factions it's a bad sign for the direction the show is taking. Writers do not owe anyone anything: be it neutrals, Shennys, Shamys or whatever. They tell their story and we can only like it or not. Nobody has a right to see anything on screen.

 

People want the SIK because TPTB put Amy and Sheldon together to start with: it's a progression of a story they set in motion. People have expectations, of course, but that's because the writers lead the viewers in certain directions: a kiss is a fairly reasonable thing to expect out of Shamy at this stage, I don't think the writers would do it just to please fans, or it would have happened a long time ago. They'll do it when they want to do it.

 

It's very different from wanting something TPTB have never intended on doing in the first place, by their own admission. The writers have said again and again that they pretty much ignore the Shennys (latest comment by Molaro in that article that was posted today) and the cast is against it too. To go against what they all believe to give a cookie to a small minority is something a show usually does when it's jumped the shark and it's grasping at straws to keep the ratings up.

 

And PHANTA FOR THE LOVE OF GOD WHY DID YOU HAVE TO BRING THAT UP??????  

[Catlina]

Sheldon is in love with Amy, not Penny. For me, that's all what matters. He may care for Penny in a friendship level, but his romantic zone and his heart belongs to Amy. There will be no "Shenny", ever. Amy has written her name to Sheldon's heart, not only to his mind, and she is the only one who have been able to do that, and will stay there forever. It's a unique match made in heaven. I believe the writers will respect the continuity what they have created and won't violate it.

[koops]

I just rewatched this and I think it will always be one of my favorite openings to an episode. I sooooo hope that they bring Bob Newhart back for Sheldon to be Professor Proton Jr and have Amy as his assistant and do something like this, because I can already picture Bob Newhart's deadpan humor contrasted with their utter uselessness at acting/entertaining. 

 

[silverangel]

Sheldon is in love with Amy, not Penny. For me, that's all what matters. He may care for Penny in a friendship level, but his romantic zone and his heart belongs to Amy. There will be no "Shenny", ever. Amy has written her name to Sheldon's heart, not only to his mind, and she is the only one who have been able to do that, and will stay there forever. It's a unique match made in heaven. I believe the writers will respect the continuity what they have created and won't violate it.

 

You just read my mind Catlina. They have so much in common. Their bond is on the intellectual level, on the emotional level, and feelings they have to each other are so strong because they understand one another like no one, like if they could understand each other without words, as if they could guess the thoughts of one another halfway. (Sheldon's avoiding the subject and pretend he did not know what was going on, because he is not ready, because he is afraid, because he shackled in chains not all dragons is another thing) Their minds work on the same level, and they pushing each other to be better in everything, and she is only one woman who can be a challenge for him, only Amy can make him better and free man, free to believe in himself completely  and trust not only his logical mind, but he will be free when he will trust his heart to. And only with him she can be herself, he doesn't judge her, for him she is the one, mystery woman, his challenge, his partner. She can feel special with him because only for her, he does things which he doesn't do for others. Only he can take care for her, be there for her, and he is the man who wants to be with her intimately, and as close as possible. Her kiss was fascinating for him, only she can hug him so tight like in v-day ep.  and only she is so impotrant that she is his emergency contact, in case of kidney stone or stroke he wants her to be with him. 

She is his vixen, he is her cuddles...and Long Live The Shamy

Edited June 11, 2013 by silverangel