Ship Zone The Shamy Thread! (Season 6 Edition-Spoilers)

[koops]

For me, I would simply take the original argument and point out Amy's patience and willingness to put up with Sheldon's habits, and note evidence such as Amy's "his quirks just make you love him more! Someone please agree with me!" Meet an argument with an argument, but I wouldn't suggest that a person is missing the point because they don't ship something enough to know the difference.

 

I don't think it's mutually exclusive to ship Shamy and still think that if Amy took the full brunt of what Leonard deals with on a daily basis all at once she might freak out. Frankly, I do think that Penny and Amy are far less "trainable" than Leonard, and I think that's a compliment because it implies both girls have more of a backbone than Leonard does. I also think that when Amy and Penny do not do things for Sheldon, such as drive him to work, take him to the barber and stay with him while his hair is cut, buy and bring him take out food every day and etc (which I swear to GOD I hope Amy will not do), Sheldon might appreciate Leonard more. I ship them, and honestly, I don't think that that Lenny post was that far fetched, to be frank with you, which hopefully goes to show how little who-ships-who has to do with what boils down to little more than an opinion.

 

But isn't that precisely what Amy said she'd be happy to do in 6x15? "I'm happy to chauffeur you around town", she got him the Chinese food "just like Leonard used to", and she has mentioned several times this season that she's familiar and comfortable with his ways and his quirks. She did offer herself up as a substitute for Leonard (i.e. the perfect roommate). Of course, the whole point of the episode was that she *cannot* be Leonard's substitute and Sheldon was very very aware of this, which was a good thing. But the fact remains that, in Amy's mind, she is more than happy and capable to take on Leonard's role, probably because she already has a lot of experience at it. She and Sheldon already spend time together on a daily basis and have been for over three years, doing all sorts of very mundane things, which I'm sure already include doing a lot of the things Leonard does, as well as now being his EC. There is an awful lot of evidence on the show pointing to Amy being more than capable to put up with Sheldon than not. If anything, there's evidence showing Sheldon is the one that might not be able to put up with more Amy at this stage in the game. But to have Amy suddenly freak out about it because Leonard is gone, imo, would be pretty out of the blue and mostly thrown in there to create more friction in a relationship that was charming precisely because it didn't have that much friction. 

 

I also do not think that just because people (be it Leonard, Amy or Penny) do things for Sheldon it means they don't have a backbone. I think Sheldon thinks he "trains" people but the reality is, just like Leonard told him, that people are just happy to do things for him because they want to. That doesn't mean that they will cater to his every single need, every single day, and they don't. Not even Leonard. That scene with Sheldon trying to distribute his "tasks" amongst his friends and their silence proved that. Sheldon is deluded enough to think that they do, but they don't, really.

 

eta: eh! you edited your post after I posted mine

 

I still stand my case: I do think it's much more likely that you will miss the point if something isn't your primary cause for concern and you don't spend time analyzing it as much as you spend on other things. Does that mean one will ALWAYS miss the point and should never express their opinion? Or that someone who analyzes things to death about something CANNOT miss the point? Of course not. But are you more likely to overlook nuisances and details of something you don't care about, especially if the turn of events that comes out of that benefits what you do care about? Probably. 

 

Everything can happen and be made canon. Even Shenny. What it takes for it to make sense is coherent build-up (which in the case of some things would take a looooong time!). And so far there hasn't been much build up to show that Amy is anything but delighted to be Leonard's substitute. But there has been a lot of evidence that Shamy were meant to be the oddly in-sync couple for years, until very recently. But then again, they don't have plans, so what do I know about evidence.

Edited July 5, 2013 by koops

[Lionne]

But isn't that precisely what Amy said she'd be happy to do in 6x15? "I'm happy to chauffeur you around town", she got him the Chinese food "just like Leonard used to", and she has mentioned several times this season that she's familiar and comfortable with his ways and his quirks. She did offer herself up as a substitute for Leonard (i.e. the perfect roommate). Of course, the whole point of the episode was that she *cannot* be Leonard's substitute and Sheldon was very very aware of this, which was a good thing. But the fact remains that, in Amy's mind, she is more than happy and capable to take on Leonard's role, probably because she already has a lot of experience at it. She and Sheldon already spend time together on a daily basis and have been for over three years, doing all sorts of very mundane things, which I'm sure already include doing a lot of the things Leonard does, as well as now being his EC. There is an awful lot of evidence on the show pointing to Amy being more than capable to put up with Sheldon than not. If anything, there's evidence showing Sheldon is the one that might not be able to put up with more Amy at this stage in the game. But to have Amy suddenly freak out about it because Leonard is gone, imo, would be pretty out of the blue and mostly thrown in there to create more friction in a relationship that was charming precisely because it didn't have that much friction. 

 

I also do not think that just because people (be it Leonard, Amy or Penny) do things for Sheldon it means they don't have a backbone. I think Sheldon thinks he "trains" people but the reality is, just like Leonard told him, that people are just happy to do things for him because they want to. That doesn't mean that they will cater to his every single need, every single day, and they don't. Not even Leonard. That scene with Sheldon trying to distribute his "tasks" amongst his friends and their silence proved that. Sheldon is deluded enough to think that they do, but they don't, really.

 

No, I don't think that Amy spending ONE DAY trying to tend to Sheldon's needs because she wants something out of it even remotely gives her a taste of what Leonard goes through year after year, month after month, week after week. Whatever Amy thinks does not necessarily make it true - she thinks she could stand in for Leonard, but can she really? Amy thinks getting Penny an insanely huge, insanely ugly painting was a great way to celebrate their friends, but was it really? Amy thought she was over the moon to become Sheldon's emergency contact, but as we saw at the end of the episode, he was abusing the hell out of it. Amy looked dishevelled, she sounded annoyed, she barked at the phone, "how does a bump fell Asian?!" She ended up leaving to go see Sheldon, but I have a feeling that was probably the last time - she had to put her foot down. Amy could not afford, for the health of her career, to keep running to Sheldon's side every time he got a paper cut - and you could tell by the end of that episode she was starting to get very frazzled and come to realize the same thing.

 

Also, one would note that that day Amy was so happy to get his order right and everything else, that by the end of it she ended up screaming, "WHAT THE HELL, SHELDON." She called him a coward, and she was not happy with him whatsoever. Amy wanted to move in with Sheldon (why wasn't really very clear, this was another episode that I thought was really poorly written and nonsensical). I don't think Amy will freak out because Leonard is gone, I think she will totally freak out after about a week of having to do what Leonard does for him.

 

What the scene with Sheldon trying to get other people to take on Leonard's tasks also proved was just how many tasks Leonard actually does. It proved that no one else was willing to do those things which Leonard does, and knew better than to try. Amy might be willing to drive Sheldon here and there, and she spends an awful lot of time with him, but Leonard is still driving Sheldon to and from work, to most of his appointments, to the grocery store and etc. Leonard is happy to do these things because it happens to be easier for him than anyone else - he and Sheldon wake up at the same time and work at the same place, so it's easy for Leonard to take him. They live together, so it's easy for Sheldon and Leonard to go grocery shopping together and take it all home together. Sheldon and Leonard both like the same movies, and to go to the comic book store, and to hang out with the same friends - a lot of the time, where Leonard is going is the same place Sheldon is going, so things work out that way. Amy won't have that same advantage, but Sheldon is still going to want to do all of these same things on his same schedule. There's no way she's going to be able to do it and not go crazy - she will not be happy to stand around the comic book store for hours while he shops, she won't get up extra early in the morning to drive to his home, drive him to work, and then drive herself to her own.

 

If she does do these things I will be absolutely appalled with her. I can see her trying, and really wanting to try to make this work, because she's still out to prove she's the perfect girlfriend. Honestly, though, I think it would be better for her to realize that's impossible - particularly with expectations like Sheldon's. She's a human being with her own life and career - she won't be able to manage to do Leonard's full task list, and if she tries to do it, I think she'll go nuts. I can't see it going down any other way, to be honest. IF Amy tries to do Leonard's full workload for Sheldon, I think she'll fail at it. I cannot see her succeeding, I don't think it's possible. But I can definitely see Sheldon trying to get her to do a lot more things (he needs someone to help him) and I can see Amy trying to do it (because she wants to prove she can) but I think in the long run this scenario would not work out at all, and I think that slowly it would devolve the same way that Amy being Sheldon's emergency contact went south on her.

 

As for Leonard - he said HE was happy to do certain things for Sheldon. Probably because, as I have mentioned, they dovetail with what Leonard was going to do anyway. I don't think that in that scene Leonard was speaking for anyone else, though, and suggesting that all of Sheldon's friends are happy to do things for him because...well, for one thing, that wouldn't even be true. I also think that Sheldon thinks he "trains" them to do things (and that original post was saying Sheldon was trying to "Train" Penny and Amy to do things, and found them untrainable - IE, they have a backbone and won't do everything he wants) but obviously they don't really.

Edited July 5, 2013 by Lionne

[koops]

But you don't think that in over 3 years of being his girlfriend that one day was not the only "taste of Sheldon" she got? And that it hasn't happened before that Sheldon has pushed his luck too far with both her and Leonard to the point that they both put their foot down? It's happened before. All I'm saying is that if they do go down that route it will just be to create more friction just to put further brakes on Shamy than they already have. I think there's many more ways of playing out scenarios like that in a way that isn't Amy freaking out and everyone worshipping Leonard. How about using it as a way for Sheldon to finally appreciate people more? Or become more independent? Or something in between? He has to grow up sooner or later, and to keep bringing up these scenarios where he drives people up the wall is getting tiresome. 

[Lionne]

But you don't think that in over 3 years of being his girlfriend that one day was not the only "taste of Sheldon" she got? And that it hasn't happened before that Sheldon has pushed his luck too far with both her and Leonard to the point that they both put their foot down? It's happened before. All I'm saying is that if they do go down that route it will just be to create more friction just to put further brakes on Shamy than they already have. I think there's many more ways of playing out scenarios like that in a way that isn't Amy freaking out and everyone worshipping Leonard. How about using it as a way for Sheldon to finally appreciate people more? Or become more independent? Or something in between? He has to grow up sooner or later, and to keep bringing up these scenarios where he drives people up the wall is getting tiresome. 

 

1) We know Sheldon went to the bank with Amy when it was her errand - that's him tagging along with her. We've seen her go to the comic book store with him to witness the magic of new comic book night, but she didn't see totally entranced with it. But otherwise things seem fairly balanced - he goes to see her work place for lunch, or she goes to see his. She goes to his place to have dinner or tea, but sometimes he hauls his ass over to see her. We've never seen, nor have any knowledge of, Amy spending her entire Saturday taking Sheldon to the grocery store, the comic book store, the train store, Radio Shack, to the park to play, and then to take out to get him dinner.

 

So, we've only seen Leonard put his foot down, and then lengths Sheldon goes to in order to get him back. We have seen Amy put her foot down with Sheldon, but over relationship issues, and we have a hint she eventually put her foot down with him over the emergency contact issue. Besides, the entire 3 years they've been together, Sheldon still has had Leonard there and has still relied on him for many things - Amy has never had to cope with Sheldon without Leonard in town. So no, we don't know what that is going to look like yet. That's going to be an entirely new scenario and we have no idea how the show is going to deal with that one yet, if at all. All we can do is speculate on it, it's still only a matter of opinion.

 

2) If Sheldon becomes more independent, I'll be over the moon about it. I kinda doubt this is what is going to happen, but it would be nice.

 

3) I agree that people might miss details if a ship isn't their favorite. On the flip side, there's an awful lot that can be read into certain ships that isn't there by shipper who wear rose-tinted glasses about their ship. It cuts both ways. That happens all the time too, sometimes the opinion of an outsider who isn't so emotionally invested is a great perspective and something of value. Also, unless someone specifically says "I hate this ship and I mute the TV whenever their scenes are on," you can't assume what people are or are not paying attention to. There are several people who primarily ship Lenny, but who also ship Shamy, who post on both threads and who have wonderful insights. If I said they were "missing the point" because Shamy isn't their primary ship over a disagreement that boils down to nothing but a matter of opinion, that's dismissive and, quite frankly, pretty rude.

[koops]

1) We know Sheldon went to the bank with Amy when it was her errand - that's him tagging along with her. We've seen her go to the comic book store with him to witness the magic of new comic book night, but she didn't see totally entranced with it. But otherwise things seem fairly balanced - he goes to see her work place for lunch, or she goes to see his. She goes to his place to have dinner or tea, but sometimes he hauls his ass over to see her. We've never seen, nor have any knowledge of, Amy spending her entire Saturday taking Sheldon to the grocery store, the comic book store, the train store, Radio Shack, to the park to play, and then to take out to get him dinner.

 

So, we've only seen Leonard put his foot down, and then lengths Sheldon goes to in order to get him back. We have seen Amy put her foot down with Sheldon, but over relationship issues, and we have a hint she eventually put her foot down with him over the emergency contact issue. Besides, the entire 3 years they've been together, Sheldon still has had Leonard there and has still relied on him for many things - Amy has never had to cope with Sheldon without Leonard in town. So no, we don't know what that is going to look like yet. That's going to be an entirely new scenario and we have no idea how the show is going to deal with that one yet, if at all. All we can do is speculate on it, it's still only a matter of opinion.

 

2) If Sheldon becomes more independent, I'll be over the moon about it. I kinda doubt this is what is going to happen, but it would be nice.

 

3) I agree that people might miss details if a ship isn't their favorite. On the flip side, there's an awful lot that can be read into certain ships that isn't there by shipper who wear rose-tinted glasses about their ship. It cuts both ways. That happens all the time too, sometimes the opinion of an outsider who isn't so emotionally invested is a great perspective and something of value. Also, unless someone specifically says "I hate this ship and I mute the TV whenever their scenes are on," you can't assume what people are or are not paying attention to. There are several people who primarily ship Lenny, but who also ship Shamy, who post on both threads and who have wonderful insights. If I said they were "missing the point" because Shamy isn't their primary ship over a disagreement that boils down to nothing but a matter of opinion, that's dismissive and, quite frankly, pretty rude.

 

I still think the show did show how they were going to deal with it in 6x15. Amy flipped out at him for not getting her "dream" out of it, but not because she couldn't cope with Sheldon's habits. Also, waiting for him to rearrange the cheese section in a supermarket for an hour, leaving the car in a parking spot overnight only to then get angry at someone else for it being towed away, the fact that Leonard also said "He's got Amy, now." are all indications she probably does more than just have tea and dinner with him. And that she does some bizarre things that nobody else, probably even Leonard, wouldn't do. I'm 100% sure she doesn't do anywhere near as much as Leonard does on a day-to-day basis, but I don't see Leonard leaving his car behind to be towed. The point about Amy is that she's WEIRD. And as such she would probably happily do a lot of stuff because it's doesn't even cross her mind how weird that is.

 

It also doesn't mean she has no backbone though, since we've seen her put her foot down again and again. If anything, she might be the one that can actually strike the balance with Sheldon, because she has way more of an emotional hold over him than Leonard does. There's a crucial difference between the way Sheldon behaves with Leonard and the way he behaves with Amy: he compromises with her. That's been a big part of their relationship from day one and it's probably the most consistent aspect of it. And we know Sheldon chooses to be catered for, not that he can't cope on his own. So, having Amy giving a little but at the same time putting her foot down might actually make him realize how much Leonard actually does and make him learn to deal with some stuff on his own when she's not willing to.

 

So while I do not expect the show to suddenly have Sheldon learn to drive and become independent, and while I do not think it's unreasonable to expect Amy to get pissed off with him and put her foot down over his demands, or for him to drive her up the wall on occasion, I think it would me much more consistent with their relationship to have them meet in the middle, rather than Amy being overjoyed at Leonard taking Sheldon off her hands. I also think it'd be funny to flip the roles a little for once, if it weren't for the fact that right now Sheldon is the one that's been acting like a jerk, so the last thing we need is more of him being driven crazy by Amy.

 

But Shamy never used to be at complete odds with each other, until those very recent couple of episodes, and if they decide to go down a route where they just keep putting them up against each other as the weirdo vs the mature girl, I do think a lot of what made them charming and unique to start with will be lost forever.

Edited July 6, 2013 by koops

[sarah7]

I'm enjoying Koops and Lionne's convo here, both have good points, just to add my 1 cent (yeah, not even 2 cents )

 

I know it's VERY likely that we will see in the season opening how Amy had to put up with Sheldon and his "adorable quirks" during Leonard's absence, and that we will most likely see her absolutely fed up and annoyed with him, but I don't like the idea at all. In fact, I almost hate it.

 

I'm tired of the "childish and whimsical Sheldon abuses-someone" routine, specially if the affected part is Amy, I hate to see Amy portrayed just as someone "useful" for him or babysitting him. Every time I remember the way he told her he only wanted her to drive him in the tenure ep, I feel the urge to flip a table and to cut someone.  She is not his Mom, his servant or his fangirl, she is his girlfriend, they are equals, and she deserves to be treated as such. That's the way they started their relationship and is the way it essentially should remain.

 

I'd much prefer if the annoyed and absolutely tired of him part turns out to be Penny, she is his neighbor (hence, the friend that would be easier to reach if he has one of his ridiculous request), she is his substitute mommy and Leonard (his subsitute dad/brother) specifically asked her to keep an eye on him.

 

Of course I want to know Shamy had spent time together during Summer, but enjoying themselves. I don't know, going together to lectures or museums, looking down at everyone else like bosses as they used to do, going to ComicCon and dressing up, much to Amy's dismay (and getting to know she ended up enjoying it even more than him )

 

I know that, as Shamyshippers, the idea of them spending the summer together is totally tempting, but not at the cost of seeing them in the old and frustrating dynamic of abusive/jerkish/oblivious Sheldon and saintlike/annoyed/sad Amy.

 

I perfectly know she is more tan able to put her feet down and not tolerate his crap, I just don't want her to be in the need to do so that often.

[vasu]

 

That is exactly what is being said. 

 

What really pissed me off was that message, especially the bolded part:

 

I would absolutely love to see something like this! Leonard comes home early and to surprise everyone, alone. He opens the apartment door to find Penny, Sheldon, and Amy all screaming at one another. After four months, the girls find Sheldon beyond infuriating and Sheldon believes the girls are totally inept, he was unable to train them as well as he trained Leonard. The yelling pauses as they all realize Leonard is standing in the living room. We hear a high-pitched girlish scream of profound delight and it's Sheldon. He runs and throws himself into Leonard's arms, still squealing like girl, like Penny did when Leonard returned from the North Pole. The kiss, optional. 

 

Ugh, like what? "Unable to train Amy"? Seriously? Freaking seriously?

 

And this one:

 

I also think that Amy will have a vastly improved appreciation for Leonard, after having to put up with Sheldon all Summer. And perhaps Sheldon as well after being with Amy all Summer.

 

LOL NO.

 

If you think that you just don't know the Shamy at all and really should refrain from commenting on them, imho. 

 

(That being said the first scenario wouldn't even surprise me that much, given how Molaro doesn't understand the Shamy either. I don't get why the Lennies are so worried, the head writer worships their ship.)

 

 

Yet , many of you use the things that happened in season 6 as evidence to prove your point... and when suddenly someone points the the contrary ... Molaro does not understand Shamy , he likes Lenny more..

[Lionne]

I still think the show did show how they were going to deal with it in 6x15. Amy flipped out at him for not getting her "dream" out of it, but not because she couldn't cope with Sheldon's habits. Also, waiting for him to rearrange the cheese section in a supermarket for an hour, leaving the car in a parking spot overnight only to then get angry at someone else for it being towed away, the fact that Leonard also said "He's got Amy, now." are all indications she probably does more than just have tea and dinner with him. And that she does some bizarre things that nobody else, probably even Leonard, wouldn't do. I'm 100% sure she doesn't do anywhere near as much as Leonard does on a day-to-day basis, but I don't see Leonard leaving his car behind to be towed. The point about Amy is that she's WEIRD. And as such she would probably happily do a lot of stuff because it's doesn't even cross her mind how weird that is.

 

It also doesn't mean she has no backbone though, since we've seen her put her foot down again and again. If anything, she might be the one that can actually strike the balance with Sheldon, because she has way more of an emotional hold over him than Leonard does.

 

This is what I mean about arguing the actual arguments, and putting the proof before the pudding. All of these are excellent examples, and I agree with this and it stirs a little more warmth in me to the idea that Amy can handle and tolerate Sheldon's quirks better than anyone else. THIS IS WHY SHE"S THE PERFECT GIRLFRIEND FOR HIM.

 

And this:

 

I know it's VERY likely that we will see in the season opening how Amy had to put up with Sheldon and his "adorable quirks" during Leonard's absence, and that we will most likely see her absolutely fed up and annoyed with him, but I don't like the idea at all. In fact, I almost hate it.

 

I'm tired of the "childish and whimsical Sheldon abuses-someone" routine, specially if the affected part is Amy, I hate to see Amy portrayed just as someone "useful" for him or babysitting him. Every time I remember the way he told her he only wanted her to drive him in the tenure ep, I feel the urge to flip a table and to cut someone.  She is not his Mom, his servant or his fangirl, she is his girlfriend, they are equals, and she deserves to be treated as such. That's the way they started their relationship and is the way it essentially should remain.

 

I'd much prefer if the annoyed and absolutely tired of him part turns out to be Penny, she is his neighbor (hence, the friend that would be easier to reach if he has one of his ridiculous request), she is his substitute mommy and Leonard (his subsitute dad/brother) specifically asked her to keep an eye on him.

 

Okay, so I think it's sad that the tail end of this season has me dialing back my expectations of the Shamy to the point that I am also anticipating the episode which you and I both described - Sheldon doing all of the taking and being demanding while Amy tries to humor all of his quirks. Like I posted before, I could see this scenario happening - but I, also, would totally hate it. I mentioned earlier parts of the series where the relationship was more balanced - Sheldon and Amy visited each other at their job or homes, negotiated their relationship to a place they remained equals and both happy, and that's really where their relationship was left last time we saw that in the forefront.

 

I guess we'll see where things go, but I stand by what I was trying to say earlier, which is that all of this is, at this moment, simply conjecture. We don't know how they are going to use Leonard's trip at all, or what will happen to the characters over the summer. Until the episodes start to air, some opinions might be wilder than others, some might suit the desires of their ship even against another, or some might be shrewd and end up being correct, but we just don't know until the canon shows us where it goes.

[silverangel]

I know that everyone can read posts here, and I'm not saying that we can or cannot say anything about other ships.... or have our own opinion. I'm not trying to impose anything to anyone, I was just saying that before someone will say something about some pair/ship... should  thing that through, wait for s7 with conclusions and opinions. We can speculate what will happen and have our own opinion, and they can think what they want but, maybe they need to wait till s7 and see, the more so the more they are interested in another couple, than Shamy, they cling to them ...I didn't want to offend anyone...

Edited July 6, 2013 by silverangel

[koops]

Totally agree Sarah and Lio.

 

It's incredible what those 2-3 eps have done in terms of my expectations for Shamy. And I'm really worried that that's what's going to go down too. And the thing is, that is by far the most predictable, unoriginal scenario that one could come up with by superficially looking at Shamy as Sheldon being the annoying weirdo and Amy being the one who puts up with him. Which is what I meant when I said that if that is what's going to go down, it means the writers have lost the plot on Shamy and turned them into yet another bickering couple like so many on television.

 

I loved that their bickering was always so absurd and quirky in the past, like about their respective fields or him not acknowledging a professional achievement or what have you. To have Amy flip out at spending the summer with Sheldon, imo, would just be more "normalization" of Amy and I think if they keep it up any longer it's easy they'll soon forget what she was meant to be like and *that* Amy will be gone for good. And it's easy that they'll just fall into a pattern of infantilizing Sheldon and making him despicable until the occasional episode where they feel they need to push Shamy forward rolls along, much the same way 6x23 felt like it was a pretty out of the blue episode given previous happenings. 

Edited July 6, 2013 by koops

[Guest DroneInTheSun]

Favourite Touching Moment: 

 

 

Favourite Eye-Coitus:

 

 

Re: the current debate. I'm with Koops unsurprisingly.

 

@vasu: there are other writers who don't screw up the Shamy as much as Molaro does. That's why we did get some good moments in S6 for Shamy. But I stand my ground that Molaro doesn't get the Shamy.

[rachelshamyfan]

If anybody has the eye coitus gif in the canteen from isolation episode it would be gratefully received!

Edited July 6, 2013 by rachelshamyfan

[Guest DroneInTheSun]

Ask and you shall receive.

 

[rachelshamyfan]

Cheers! :)

[rachelshamyfan]

I may "have" to use one as my avatar now

[koops]

Lost, we have the same favorite touching moment and eye-coitus!

 

Re: Molaro, I think it's too soon to say. One season isn't enough to make a pattern. There's a lot of reasons why things turned out the way they did. Like I said, one of the main things I noticed this year is that Amy has been totally on the backburner as a character. Is that because she was front and center for 2 years and so logically needs to be put aside for a while or is it because Molaro simply isn't into developing her as a character that much? Hard to tell with one season. 

 

I do think though that there have been indications that he writes Shamy differently than others. Out of curiosity I recently had a look at the major Shamy episodes, or the ones that showed more progress, during the previous 2 seasons. Bill Prady was on all of them as story writer, Chuck Lorre was on most, Molaro was only on 2. This season, even though he was only working PT, Prady was still on most of them, with the exception of 6x23. So I think Prady underestimates his ability to write relationship stories. I think he thinks that because they're not massive emotional moments he isn't a 'fluffy' guy, but I actually think the subtle approach is better for Shamy than: BAM! Spanking. Nothing. Jerk Sheldon. BAM! D&D sex. 

 

Molaro is more into big emotional moments as a writer, I feel, and they often come from friction. That's why he's good at writing Lenny, probably. And he has by his own admission said he's emotionally invested in Lenny. He probably relates to them more, or who knows. But I think he is trying to use the same mold that he uses for Lenny with Shamy and by doing that a lot of stuff gets lost in translation, especially when Shamy aren't the focus of the story in an episode. I don't think it's a coincidence that so many critics of Shamy say that Amy is like Leonard now, in the sense of desperately longing for an aloof SO. And that there are so many parallels in the way Sheldon and Penny approach their SO. There was bickering and friction with Shamy in S5, but it was a different brand of bickering and friction than what Leonard and Penny have.

 

I don't think Molaro is deliberately sitting down and thinking "How can I screw Shamy up?" or that he is deliberately projecting Lenny onto Shamy, but I still think he's doing it to a degree, and it becomes more evident in certain episodes than others. I think it was Prady who used to say that when they write Shamy they sit down and think "Hang on, this is how normal couples would do it, but how would they do it?". I don't know how much of that is being done right now. That doesn't mean, of course, that he can't come up with brilliant ideas like the D&D episode. 

Edited July 6, 2013 by koops

[rachelshamyfan]

I don't think chuck and bill would let Steve mess up the shamy, they are an unusual couple with plenty of chemistry despite what the shennies think and want and they will only go and have more progress however slowly, I think they are very stable right now especially after the love spell episode

[bigbangsheldon]

Day 4: Favourite eye coitus

[rachelshamyfan]

I like that one but I think canteen eye coitus wins for me and that is a close 2nd followed by all the eye coitus in my favorite episode herb garden

[bigbangsheldon]

i feel like the one in TSTM is truly eye coitus. the other ones are more cute, but TSTM is sexy.

[Razberrypie]

I think the cheesecake factory eye coitus is more intense but I see what you mean Rachel. I love the way Sheldon smiles when Amy compliments his joke, it reminded me a lot of the bashful, flattered smile Amy gave Sheldon in Herb Garden when he called her a vixen.  

[rachelshamyfan]

Oh yes also in the recombination episode theres a bit going on there as well, albeit briefly

[AndyRenee]

Day 4: Favorite Eye-Coitus

I cheated and chose two

Edited July 7, 2013 by AndyRenee

[rachelshamyfan]

The chemistry between Jim and Mayim is incredible and that makes the eye coitus believable

[bigbangsheldon]

Day 5 - A moment that made you happy or surprised. 

 

Happy because handholding. Surprised because I thought they were dropping it.