Misophonia Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 My perfect idea of Heaven: Jim Parsons cast in an adaptation of any Jane Austen novel. Some strange part of me wants to see that man in a cravat before I die. Is that too much to ask? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantagrae Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 (edited) My perfect idea of Heaven: Jim Parsons cast in an adaptation of any Jane Austen novel. Some strange part of me wants to see that man in a cravat before I die. Is that too much to ask? He's got that long, lean body and long neck that would be perfect in 18th century costume. I also have a fantasy of him being in an early Naval uniform, like John Paul Jones or something. I'm basing it on that one photo shoot... ETA: So, Amy falls asleep reading Pride and Prejudice and dreams about herself and Sheldon as Elizabeth Bennett and Mr. Darcy... Edited July 15, 2013 by phantagrae Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misophonia Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 He's got that long, lean body and long neck that would be perfect in 18th century costume. I also have a fantasy of him being in an early Naval uniform, like John Paul Jones or something. I'm basing it on that one photo shoot... ETA: So, Amy falls asleep reading Pride and Prejudice and dreams about herself and Sheldon as Elizabeth Bennett and Mr. Darcy... SIGH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantagrae Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 SIGH It could be funny if they'd play out some such fantasy in an episode. Maybe at least in the tag, you know? Like, all during the episode Amy is mentioning her fantasy to the other girls, or something, while the reality of how Sheldon is kind of puts a damper on her thoughts, but then at the end, she falls asleep and we see the two of them in period costume...and it still plays out like a regular Shamy encounter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koops Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 It could be funny if they'd play out some such fantasy in an episode. Maybe at least in the tag, you know? Like, all during the episode Amy is mentioning her fantasy to the other girls, or something, while the reality of how Sheldon is kind of puts a damper on her thoughts, but then at the end, she falls asleep and we see the two of them in period costume...and it still plays out like a regular Shamy encounter. hahaha omc this would be a great tag if I've ever thought of one. I have to admit I wasn't a fan of the idea at first since I'm not into Jane Austen/period dramas at all and I thought it would be way too much for an episode since there's nothing nerdy or sciency about it. But a tag like this would be hilarious! The idea of them dressed up in period costumes going about a normal Shamy lunch in her lab or something would be priceless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DroneInTheSun Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 hahaha omc this would be a great tag if I've ever thought of one. I have to admit I wasn't a fan of the idea at first since I'm not into Jane Austen/period dramas at all and I thought it would be way too much for an episode since there's nothing nerdy or sciency about it. But a tag like this would be hilarious! The idea of them dressed up in period costumes going about a normal Shamy lunch in her lab or something would be priceless. Or even better - Amy loves literature + period dramas (I mean, The Canterbury Tales and Downton Abbey... lit nerd alert) so she comes up with a compromise with Sheldon: they'll cosplay as Spock and Uhura to Comic Con as long as they'll also dress up as Elizabeth Bennet and Mr. Darcy to watch Pride and Prejudice (the Colin Firth version, of course) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koops Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Or even better - Amy loves literature + period dramas (I mean, The Canterbury Tales and Downton Abbey... lit nerd alert) so she comes up with a compromise with Sheldon: they'll cosplay as Spock and Uhura to Comic Con as long as they'll also dress up as Elizabeth Bennet and Mr. Darcy to watch Pride and Prejudice (the Colin Firth version, of course) LIO! Where are you???? Cosplay alert! Go write this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantagrae Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 hahaha omc this would be a great tag if I've ever thought of one. I have to admit I wasn't a fan of the idea at first since I'm not into Jane Austen/period dramas at all and I thought it would be way too much for an episode since there's nothing nerdy or sciency about it. But a tag like this would be hilarious! The idea of them dressed up in period costumes going about a normal Shamy lunch in her lab or something would be priceless. Well, I was thinking more along the lines of Amy dreaming about them as those characters, but then having Darcy rebuff her in some Sheldonesque way, so that her dream of a romantic encounter is tweaked by her subconscious to something more like what she knows is true--Sheldon not wanting to hold her hand, or making her sign a contract first or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionne Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 (edited) LIO! Where are you???? Cosplay alert! Go write this! A new chapter of the Crusher Conclusion is writing itself. And, also, I cannot advocate for MusicKat18's Theory of Objectivity either. It's probably my favorite Shamy fan fic after Mari's stuff. Also.....on the list of things people don't want to see in Shamy fan fics anymore: Twins Twin Nobel prizes Sheldon turning into a sex God his first time The Amy make over Amy and Sheldon living in the same tiny apartment after having 6 kids, although obviously they can live there if they just have 5. Amy giving up her career for their kids Oh, and it bears repeating: TWINS What else are you guys sick of? Edited July 15, 2013 by Lionne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DroneInTheSun Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Amy's makeover is #1 on my "things that will make backbutton the hell out of your fic without even thinking about it". Sheldon suddenly confiding everything he's feeling to Penny or Leonard but never to Amy is also a pet peeve of mine. It's okay once or twice, because it's happened on the show too, but when your fic is communication breakdown after communication breakdown I say "no". Nobel Prizes are starting to get old, although they're definitely not as bad as the rest. Also can we please stop with Penny telling Sheldon "hey it's okay that you kept touching Amy even when she was uncomfortable you couldn't help it it's in your instincts"? Penny's no sexual assault apologist, thank you very much. As for the twins, it's okay if you're Marisol. She could write her grocery list and I'd still read it. But people, just so you know: Sheldon being a twin has literally no influence on his propensity to have twins himself since he's a fraternal twin (due to the mother), not an identical twin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionne Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Mari is always my exception to the rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koops Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 No, Nobels are JUST as bad! People in their 30s don't get Nobels!!! And especially not by figuring out one equation or one paper and their 'bosses' going all "OMG this guarantees your Nobel!". That's just not the way it works! LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DroneInTheSun Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Idk I don't mind them as much because even though they're not an accurate depiction of reality (of which the show is as guilty as fic writers, hello tenure episode), they just aren't as bad as "Amy's not sexy enough" and "Lmao Sheldon just can't control himself" because those were born in the rape culture and have a meaning that is just ten times worse. But that's probably just me, the angry feminist. #shrug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantagrae Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 (edited) I dislike the re-use of lines from the show--and I think I'm getting tired of having Sheldon call Amy a "vixen", or do it too often or something. Oh, and somebody recently had a moment where Amy called Sheldon a vixen--WRONG. It was a good story, by someone I like, I think, but Sheldon cannot be a "vixen"--and Amy would know better. A "vixen" is a female fox...or otherwise referrs to a woman. Edited July 15, 2013 by phantagrae Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DroneInTheSun Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 The overuse of "vixen" is something I've noticed too, but I could see it become a running joke between the two of them so it doesn't bother me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheps88 Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Lol you kids love to rag on just about everything in here. So what if people want to write about nobel prizes or use lines from the show? It's all derived from the same comedy that we all love so much. People who write and people who read about these characters are just looking for new ways to enjoy them and be part of this awesome community. Live and let live, Ladies. Not everyone has flawless English skills. Not everyone has studied setting, character and theme. And not everyone is out to write the next original psychological novel. It's all for fun. For better or worse. Why not celebrate the good in all of the fics that you delight in tearing apart? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DroneInTheSun Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 No one's telling anyone not to write what they want to write. But just as people are free to write whatever they want to write, we're also free to say we don't like it. I'm guilty of the Nobel Prize myself (not in a Shamy fic, mind you, but I still did it) and I don't feel offended by koops's opinion, because she has the right to voice it whether you like it or not. And nobody's tearing apart anything. My policy on fanfics is that if what I have to say isn't nice, I just don't say it. Which is why I don't review the fics I don't like, and which is why you won't see me pointing fingers. Saying "I don't like this trend in general without pointing fingers" and "I hate this particular fic because of that, that, and that" isn't the same thing at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheps88 Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 My point is this. Most fanfic writers follow this forum, so whether you leave negative reviews on their page or rant about it in here, they read it. And quite a few of those writers are young kids who look up to the elders in this community. Whether you mention fics by name or not, you are negatively impacting their efforts. Why can't we set an example of positivity and shine a light on their good accomplishments? I'm not trying to start a rift. I'm the most laid back individual you'll come across. I just feel that everyone has room to grow and that positivity is the best way to ensure it happens. Cherrs to you all. I'm a fan of this thread and all who are a part of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbangsheldon Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Twins Twin Nobel prizes Sheldon turning into a sex God his first time The Amy make over Amy and Sheldon living in the same tiny apartment after having 6 kids, although obviously they can live there if they just have 5. Amy giving up her career for their kids Oh, and it bears repeating: TWINS Did I just read the plot to The Worst Shamy Fic Ever Written ( obviously inspired by http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6647081/1/The-Worst-Shenny-Fic-Ever-Written ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koops Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 (edited) I'm a pain in the butt when it comes to fanfic, I know it But we were discussing pet peeves, I'm sure everyone has some. Pet peeves are things that are constantly overused in fanfic and often become fanon with no basis in canon (we had that a lot in the X-Files fanfics... the whole Scully Ice Queen nickname that was never mentioned in the show somehow became a staple of XF fanfiction lol), which is very different from someone who tries to write some original work but might need some improvement. Re: Vixen. It doesn't bother me too much either, since it's been used more than once on the show to refer to Amy. And I think if Shamy ever had pet names, that would be one, and they probably wouldn't even realize they're doing it! Edited July 15, 2013 by koops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misophonia Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Or even better - Amy loves literature + period dramas (I mean, The Canterbury Tales and Downton Abbey... lit nerd alert) so she comes up with a compromise with Sheldon: they'll cosplay as Spock and Uhura to Comic Con as long as they'll also dress up as Elizabeth Bennet and Mr. Darcy to watch Pride and Prejudice (the Colin Firth version, of course) Even better!! I can just see Amy complaining about how the corset and lower necklines would make her an unwilling target for male attention. "First my pelvis and now this?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misophonia Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 My point is this. Most fanfic writers follow this forum, so whether you leave negative reviews on their page or rant about it in here, they read it. And quite a few of those writers are young kids who look up to the elders in this community. Whether you mention fics by name or not, you are negatively impacting their efforts. Why can't we set an example of positivity and shine a light on their good accomplishments? I'm not trying to start a rift. I'm the most laid back individual you'll come across. I just feel that everyone has room to grow and that positivity is the best way to ensure it happens. Cherrs to you all. I'm a fan of this thread and all who are a part of it. I'm a pain in the butt when it comes to fanfic, I know it But we were discussing pet peeves, I'm sure everyone has some. Pet peeves are things that are constantly overused in fanfic and often become fanon with no basis in canon (we had that a lot in the X-Files fanfics... the whole Scully Ice Queen nickname that was never mentioned in the show somehow became a staple of XF fanfiction lol), which is very different from someone who tries to write some original work but might need some improvement. Re: Vixen. It doesn't bother me too much either, since it's been used more than once on the show to refer to Amy. And I think if Shamy ever had pet names, that would be one, and they probably wouldn't even realize they're doing it! Pet peeves are also not something confined just to fan fiction. Everyone has pet peeves when it comes to any facet of literature, television, movies ... stories in any form. For example, if I see another vampire show that has vampires ripping someone's neck to shreds just so the blood can spurt everywhere and look really cool and scary on the screen, I am going to scream. Do people splatter their milkshakes all over the place when they drink them? No. A vampire--in my opinion--wouldn't be so wasteful either. Even some of the best authors in this world can fall into someone's "pet peeve" column with one story and then not with another. I don't think anyone was "pointing fingers" at specific authors of TBBT fan fiction. I just think there are certain trends we, as readers, are all tired of seeing. As a writer, this kind of feedback is valuable to me because it tells me what pitfalls I need to avoid if I want to try to go to new areas. I think this is especially important in the realm of fan fiction because there isn't going to really be a lot of undiscovered country out there. It's more places which are less crowded than others. As someone who has officially read all of the fan fiction stories out there (as of thirty minutes ago), I can say for sure that each one of the pet peeves pointed out have merit. At the same time, I think if anyone wants to write a story using the pet peeves, they should be aware of them and do their best to make them as fresh, realistic, and unique as possible. (Example: Marisol has twins in her fic, but she makes the circumstances of their conception realistic as well as Sheldon and Amy's raising on them.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantagrae Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 My point is this. Most fanfic writers follow this forum, so whether you leave negative reviews on their page or rant about it in here, they read it. And quite a few of those writers are young kids who look up to the elders in this community. Whether you mention fics by name or not, you are negatively impacting their efforts. Why can't we set an example of positivity and shine a light on their good accomplishments? I'm not trying to start a rift. I'm the most laid back individual you'll come across. I just feel that everyone has room to grow and that positivity is the best way to ensure it happens. Cherrs to you all. I'm a fan of this thread and all who are a part of it. I agree with Miso in what she points out. And I actually seriously doubt that most of the fanfic writers follow this forum. There are a bazillion TBBT fics out there, Shamy or not, and I don't think most of those folks are lurking around here or are regular members here. But primarily, the problem with a lot of fanfic is that A) everyone is drawing on the same source material--the show, and B ) many authors tend to borrow ideas from other fics as well. So, one author comes up with an idea (twins) and someone else, thinks, "Ooh, that's neat! I think I'll use that idea as well!" and pretty soon you have twenty thousand "twin fics" or kid fics, or whatever. Fanfic can be a little ingrown and the overuse of certain ideas of phrases is part of that tendency and people need to be wary of overuse or cliches, etc. Fanfic writers are certainly free to write however and whatever they want. But readers are also free to like or dislike what they read--and really, it's not necessarily about disliking, but about getting tired of reading the same old thing done over and over. If I want to read something new and unique (and most people do), it will be frustrating to me as a reader to find story after story that basically says the same thing or tells the same story in exactly the same way as every other fic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionne Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 (edited) Lol you kids love to rag on just about everything in here. So what if people want to write about nobel prizes or use lines from the show? It's all derived from the same comedy that we all love so much. People who write and people who read about these characters are just looking for new ways to enjoy them and be part of this awesome community. Live and let live, Ladies. Not everyone has flawless English skills. Not everyone has studied setting, character and theme. And not everyone is out to write the next original psychological novel. It's all for fun. For better or worse. Why not celebrate the good in all of the fics that you delight in tearing apart? How can I celebrate the good if I don't think they are very good? Besides, I'm not the only fan fic reader in the world - many people read and enjoy these fan fics, and I'm not going to stop them! Also, even though I find certain ideas and themes over used or just plain corny, I'm not actually going to tell anyone to stop writing. I know this might sound funny, but I see writing, drawing, and other forms of artistic expression the same as I do sports - you improve dramatically with practice. In my last fic, the Crusher Conclusion, I get a little poetic about the connection between Sheldon's mind and his hand and the white board, and the "muscle" he has built to connect the two. Some of my favorite quotes revolve around the idea of this disconnect between what's in our minds and the mediums in which we try to express it: "He who works with his hands and his head and his heart is an artist.” "Between my head and my hand, there is always the face of death." "The mediator between the head and hands must be the heart!" Etc etc - The idea is that the more you write you are essentially practicing building up the fluidity of the way your imagination, what you picture or hear in your head, makes it onto the page. You become more practiced and more fluent as long as you keep up your writing, whether it be something as simple as a diary entry, or something as difficult and complicated as a poem. So I definitely don't want anyone who enjoys writing fan fic to stop. That said, what I would like to make clear is that the whole point is that it's a learning process and there are ways to get better. 50% of all novels sold are romance novels - people go through them like tissue - but unfortunately they are just as cheap. I have a friend who writes romance novels, and she gets paid just a penny a word. Her books will be published in a small number, and quickly revolve through the rubbish bin - because romance is really the same thing over and over and over and OVER again, and very rarely does anyone bring anything fresh or even genuine or original to it. Usually the characters are all incredibly beautiful, and rich, and doing completely improbable things and being completely improbable people - and frankly, it's very popular. Write a novel, such as 50 Shades of Grey, which is god awful, and people will love it, more than likely. However, the more you read the more you get sick of the same story over and over. Very few people want to read the same plot line again and again, or the same one-dimensional characters over and over again. I think there's also a special point here with the Shamy, in which Sheldon and Amy are incredibly unique and different characters who are falling in love in their own way on TBBT. For their originality, I adore them, and when people steal them and then try to jam them into the tired old cliches and trite storytelling (we have love stories about beautiful people, so let's give Amy a make over so she's suddenly sexy, and that's my fan fic, because I don't know how to write Sheldon wanting to have sex with her unless I make her beautiful and sexy, even if that's not who she is on the show, and who she is never supposed to be, and misses the whole point of Amy) I have a right to object to it, because it's awful. Seriously, it's awful. When a fan fic writer takes something lovely, unique, and interesting and sets about making it banal, boring, and just like everything else that's ever been written, I have a write to hate that with a passion. Someone strips what's unique and special about characters you love, and make it hackneyed and one-dimensional, and you're lucky I'm a nice person and don't leave you the most scathing of reviews. I should be going after you with a red pen and a bottle of white out, and if you think otherwise, you are wrong. Also, there's an issue with the fact that the more educated a person gets, the more they have had to read and the more they have studied the rules and finer forms of literature. Guess what - you develop a standard of excellence and anything less just doesn't cut it anymore. Not to mention that our culture now consumes a massive amount of entertainment in a very, very competitive world - there are hundreds of books, movies, news stories, blog posts and otherwise that are released every day. To have anyone consume your work you have to compete out in that field for the most part, against people who are paid small fortunes and have studied writing all of their lives. The world is full of people with writing talent, and there's a lot of great stuff to consume out there - but people are still picky about it. Also, you have different levels at which people can engage you at. I'm sorry to tell you this, but I have an Ivy League education, and I cannot just kick back, relax, and read a fan fic that's riddled with horrible grammar, improper punctuation, cliche, stereotyped characterization, and poor plotting. I've spent many years, not to mention money, on being educated to rise above all of that drek, and I'm not going back nor am I going to settle for less. I'm not the woman who is going to just lie back and spread her legs when a man says, "Just lie back and enjoy it, bitch." Won't look at fan fic the same way either. As far as criticism or education - the idea that always being positive and focusing on the good as the best way to learning is the ideas of this whole self-esteem generation, most of whom cannot fucking spell the word "ART," and I loathe - deeply loathe - how they have been educated. A Harvard professor noted a few years ago that the incoming classes of students, even at Harvard, needed remedial classes for a full year just to begin to operate at the level at which students before them had been able to operate. I watched it in college with many of the kids I went to with as well - I had a private school education and took advanced classes and went through a lot of pushing and critical analysis of my work, and if I did not operate at a certain level I did not just get an "A" for showing up. Many kids coming into public did, I guess, and entering into college was brutal - I personally tutored 6 of my friends who were failing. I remember reading their papers and having them tell me that they got A's in English in school, and yet they cried like helpless children when faced with the challenge of writing a 5 page paper, and those papers were so awful I cannot even tell you. All of that "positive reinforcement" left them thinking that their writing and education was perfectly fine until they showed up in college and promptly started to actually fail out. And to me, that's what focusing on the positive does to people - leaves them with no idea of where they are weak and need to improve, and when they go out into the big bad world and try to operate there they fail miserably because your professors and your bosses do not give a crap about your self-esteem or being positive - they care about your performance, and if you cannot perform, you are going to be cut. Fan fic is not a place to be half so competitive, true. Like Lost, if I don't like a fic and think it's poorly written, I don't leave reviews. I don't say so, I just leave it alone. Fan fic is not the forum for me to bring out my red pen unless the fic expressly says, "please be critical of this, I want to improve." Most of them don't ask for that, though, they say, "Be nice!" or the absolute worst, "Haters gotta hate!" because they don't want to deal with the truth. Giving criticism, or noting that there are tired cliches in writing, or that horrible punctuation and storytelling is so awful it's funny, might be hard for the ego, but it's not a negative impact. If a person decides to stop writing, that's their problem, and their emotional issue because there is a choice - listen to criticism and make a solid effort to improve, and to learn, or just quit. Or even worse, quit and complain that it's other people and their negativity that made you quit, like it's their fault and not a personal decision on behalf of a person who isn't tough enough to deal with the truth. My favorite President was Harry Truman, and he once said, "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen." Same can be said to fan fic authors - if you can't handle a negative review, or with the fact that people are going to be critical about what they consume and that might mean you, then you aren't ready to post in public. I'm definitely not going to let anyone put in an argument that tries to allow or bring the quality of writing DOWN rather than UP and not be all over that like peanut butter on jelly. I don't go around critiquing fan fic because I know most of the authors don't really want that; they are just writing for the fun of it. What trips things up, though, is that a lot of them are looking for some ego stroking - they want reviews and they want people to pay attention to what they write and they want to hear good, happy, positive things no matter what they are putting out there. That's not a realistic, and it's not going to happen, and no one here has to pander to that. Edited July 15, 2013 by Lionne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rachelshamyfan Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 (edited) I have recently ventured into the world of writing my own fan fiction story and whilst the reviews I have had so far are all positive I would have no problem if somebody read it and didn't like it and said so, I think constructive criticism is good and can be helpful I think you need to have a thick skin though if you are somebody who gets a lot of flaming and hate reviews. I've seen a few comments from authors requesting no haters and threatening to abandon their story because of that which could ruin it for the readers who do genuinely like the story Edited July 15, 2013 by rachelshamyfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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