The Entire Premise Is Changing, Not Sure How To Feel.

[koops]

I agree. I can see a lot of back and forth going on between Sheldon and Amy, regarding who progresses, who steps back and how much, over the next couple of seasons. It's a fine line to walk.

 

Regarding changing Sheldon and making him 'normal', I don't think that's ever going to happen. The trick is to have him be just as he always was with everyone else, while demonstrating a bit more empathy towards Amy - that could work. And their relationship is odd and offbeat enough anyway.

 

I think that's what they're doing already. Sheldon hasn't changed with respect to the other characters, it's just around her that he sometimes deviates from his normal behavior. And there are other people in his life he doesn't act stereotypically Sheldon with (i.e. his mother, and I'm assuming his grandmother). I can see how Amy is slowly becoming one of those people he makes concessions for, while maintaining his persona with others. 

[Pomita]

I think that's what they're doing already. Sheldon hasn't changed with respect to the other characters, it's just around her that he sometimes deviates from his normal behavior. And there are other people in his life he doesn't act stereotypically Sheldon with (i.e. his mother, and I'm assuming his grandmother). I can see how Amy is slowly becoming one of those people he makes concessions for, while maintaining his persona with others. 

 

Yes, that's how I see it too. It's interesting that you bring up his grandmother. I've been thinking about her.. just the mention of his Mee maw years ago, his carefully preserved letters from her and his conceding a critical game motivated by his love for her, should have been enough to tell us that this was no robotic creature of pure intellect, as he fondly likes to believe himself to be. His whole contempt for feelings and human weaknesses is a house of cards, a safety shield put up perhaps to protect himself from himself, more than anyone else. The truth is that Sheldon Cooper is a deeply emotional person - has always been - and that seeps through the cracks on occasion and for specific people. 

Edited January 26, 2013 by Pomita

[Tensor]

Yes, that's how I see it too. It's interesting that you bring up his grandmother. I've been thinking about her..

Snip.....

. The truth is that Sheldon Cooper is a deeply emotional person - has always been - and that seeps through the cracks on occasion and for specific people. 

there was also how upset he got in The Precious Fragmentation when Raj and Howard started talking about how his grandmother had to have had sex.

[Ar Diem]

Everyone balks? Sorry, who's 'everyone'?

 

Actually I have no issues with you thinking that they just have a close friendship at this point. It seems to me that you would define it to be a 'relationship' only if sex or at least a higher degree of physical affection was involved, and if that's your definition, then obviously they don't satisfy it. I don't agree with your definition, and clearly, neither do Sheldon and Amy. But I'd say a close friendship is quite a nice way to look at it, if it includes all the different kinds of caring and connection that exist between them - every great relationship starts with a great friendship.

 

Let's remember that Amy was the one who felt that Leonard/Penny and Howard/Bernadette were the weird couples. From her frame her reference, she and Sheldon are the 'normal couple'. That's how contented and confident she is, about the relationship.

 

Yeah yeah, I should have said some people are balking.  Good job catching me using the wrong phrase.

 

Also, you would be ignoring most of my posts on this subject because it is not about sex and Amy is not content.  She might have been at one time but now she pretends to still be ill to have physical contact with Sheldon.  That is not content.

 

I am quite sure the show will evolve them beyond this point but for right now they are not much better than close friends which, for Sheldon, is a large leap.  I mean we don't know all the things he has done for Leonard but we assume Amy has had it better.

 

And , again, I should point out that I don't care what Amy thinks of the other relationships.  I am the one that decides what is believable and what is not.  Sheldon still interacts with her as a close friend.

 

Lots of sitcoms were forbidden from displaying or mentioning sex.  Some of them required the couples slept in different beds but they still could sell them as adult couples.  The same is true for unmarried couples in the heavily censored years.  Even if they were supposed to be displayed as virgins there was ways to sell the relationship as adult.

 

Shamy is an unadult couple right now which keeps them at the close friend zone.

[MJistheBOMB]

Just because she's one step ahead of Sheldon as far as her wants and needs, doesn't mean she isn't content in her relationship with him. She clearly cares for him enough to not be pushy about it. She could have left him a long time ago if she wasn't happy with her situation but she hasn't. That should speak volumes in itself.

 

Monique

[Shel_Ra_Ho_Le]

Ar, are you a Shenny?  If so I have a message for you over there  

Edited January 27, 2013 by Shel_Ra_Ho_Le

[Moonbase]

Ar, are you a Shenny?  If so I have a message for you over there  

 

Ar isn't a shenny, no. I get where he's coming from.

 

Sheldon is an emotional character and he always had this gentle side buried underneath. We see it when he's with his mother but they were careful not to have Amy using the same dynamic. He had this with Penny also and it came off as maternal. But the result has left Sheldon appearing colder and less emotional. When they are actually trying to give him more emotion, it's an odd twist. He feels unattached to her while they are attempting to make his seem attached. This weeks episode should be interesting, I just saw the promo pictures and Amy is comforting him. Maybe we see it here.

Edited January 27, 2013 by Moonbase

[Shel_Ra_Ho_Le]

Ar isn't a shenny, no. I get where he's coming from.

 

Sheldon is an emotional character and he always had this gentle side buried underneath. We see it when he's with his mother but they were careful not to have Amy using the same dynamic. He had this with Penny also and it came off as maternal. But the result has left Sheldon appearing colder and less emotional. When they are actually trying to give him more emotion, it's an odd twist. He feels unattached to her while they are attempting to make his seem attached. This weeks episode should be interesting, I just saw the promo pictures and Amy is comforting him. Maybe we see it here.

 

I dont agree with that at all!  In fact he's more emotional and feeling with Amy at least!  He's transforming into a normal human being who has feelings for the opposite sex.  That is growth!  I am quite happy with the direction and speed they are taking the SHAMY.  And apparently it will continue throughout the season.  

[Pomita]

See, I'm not going to convince you that Sheldon/Amy very much comes across as a real relationship, in some ways more mature than Leonard/Penny and even Howard/Bernadette are - they have a greater capacity of resolving conflicts in a mutually acceptable way while maintaining the connection they have. Neither can I convince you that I don't see Sheldon being cold and unemotional towards Amy at all; this is the most emotionally attached we've seen him, over the course of the show (we've not seen him with his Meemaw). As usual we'll have to agree to disagree.

[phantagrae]

I think that part of it is that Sheldon's emotions are not expressed in the same way as everyone else.  When he's hurt, he tends to cover it up with haughtiness or falling back on the RA or whatever, but he really is attached to his friends and to Amy in particular.

 

I love it in the one with Wil Wheaton's party that Sheldon starts off with the whole thing about "Schroedinger's Friendship" and all that, and then warns Leonard about ruining his friendship with Sheldon as Leonard and Raj are leaving, but when Leonard comes back, Sheldon immediately hops up and says, "Oh, good, you picked me, you picked me" (over Wil Wheaton), showing that he wasn't as cool and aloof about it as he had been pretending.  Then, of course, he had to go back to trying to play it cool when Leonard told him about Brent Spiner, pretending he'd outgrown Star Trek, etc. 

 

With Amy I think it's peculiar because we haven't seen Sheldon trying to accept and express romantic love before.  We've seen him trying to be friendly and supportive in certain situations, and sometimes he can't quite get there, but he does know how to come through for his friends when the situation is dire enough.

But the feelings he developed for Amy are difficult for him to acknowledge and understand, let alone express.  And he's certainly not going to express them in the same way that Leonard or Howard might do with their SOs, or even with someone they might have dated in the past.

Sheldon knows about maternal love and filial love, but eros love is new to him and the difference between what he felt for Amy before and what he seems to feel now might be a little bewildering in that it would seem to call upon him to express that in a way that he's not used to or may not even quite know how to do appropriately.

 

We'll have to wait and see how much his intellect and his instincts may have to battle over it.

[Ar Diem]

But see Phantagrae we are saying the same thing.  Sheldon doesn't understand how to express romantic feelings and until he does their relationship looks more like a close friendship. 

 

To anyone who thinks Amy is content.  How do you get by the fact she has held hands with herself in desperation for physical content and she has to force Sheldon to hold hands with her or trick him into caring for her?  She obviously wants a physical connection and she is paired with one who has no desires for her physically.  He is not aroused by her nudity nor did he understand her runway model performance in the Christmas episode. 

 

Oh and the last thing I would ever be is a Shenny shipper.  It makes less sense than Shamy.  Even though it is less believable now I am still in the Lenny camp. I don't mind brainstorming ideas with the Shennys but I do not want it.

[Kiru Breezy]

But see Phantagrae we are saying the same thing.  Sheldon doesn't understand how to express romantic feelings and until he does their relationship looks more like a close friendship. 

 

To anyone who thinks Amy is content.  How do you get by the fact she has held hands with herself in desperation for physical content and she has to force Sheldon to hold hands with her or trick him into caring for her?  She obviously wants a physical connection and she is paired with one who has no desires for her physically.  He is not aroused by her nudity nor did he understand her runway model performance in the Christmas episode. 

 

Oh and the last thing I would ever be is a Shenny shipper.  It makes less sense than Shamy.  Even though it is less believable now I am still in the Lenny camp. I don't mind brainstorming ideas with the Shennys but I do not want it.

 

Force Sheldon to hold hands? Trick him into caring for her? Do you watch the same show?

[Ar Diem]

Force Sheldon to hold hands? Trick him into caring for her? Do you watch the same show?

 

 

So she didn't enforce the RA or extend her illness?  Maybe you shut your show down before the end of a couple of episodes.

[Shel_Ra_Ho_Le]

So she didn't enforce the RA or extend her illness?  Maybe you shut your show down before the end of a couple of episodes.

 

Dude, what's your beef? 

[Ar Diem]

Dude, what's your beef? 

 

I could ask the same of you. 

[Shel_Ra_Ho_Le]

I could ask the same of you. 

 

I have no problem.  I'm not one getting all flippy about the direction, or being judgmental of others or trying to rile people up. 

[Kiru Breezy]

So she didn't enforce the RA or extend her illness?  Maybe you shut your show down before the end of a couple of episodes.

 

She actually did NOT enforce the RA. She said "Goodnight Sheldon" and closed the door. He stopped in his tracks and of his own volition told her he cared and will take care of her.

 

Lets see u not see that. 

[Ar Diem]

I have no problem.  I'm not one getting all flippy about the direction, or being judgmental of others or trying to rile people up. 

 

 

I can't help if people get riled up over a TV show.  This is the first time I have posted on a site like this and I find it crazy how personally others takes this show.  I call Shamy more of a close friendship at this point and I am treated like a heretic. 

 

I am so sorry that all discussions are not on your terms.  If that is the worst thing that happens to you, you have a great life.

[Ar Diem]

She actually did NOT enforce the RA. She said "Goodnight Sheldon" and closed the door. He stopped in his tracks and of his own volition told her he cared and will take care of her.

 

Lets see u not see that. 

 

And did she did trick him into caring longer than he needed?

 

Thought so.

 

She is not satisfied.

[Kiru Breezy]

And did she did trick him into caring longer than he needed?

 

Thought so.

 

She is not satisfied.

 

Her boyfriend was being really sweet and she wanted it longer and he was not terribly upset at it.

 

But you keep telling yourself whatever makes you sleep at night.

 

When Sheldon and Amy get married you will keep shouting : BUT THEY ARE JUST FRIENDS! 

[Moonbase]

I can't help if people get riled up over a TV show.  This is the first time I have posted on a site like this and I find it crazy how personally others takes this show.  I call Shamy more of a close friendship at this point and I am treated like a heretic. 

 

I am so sorry that all discussions are not on your terms.  If that is the worst thing that happens to you, you have a great life.

 

It's really quite something. No one can make direct observations from the show that suggest Amy and Sheldon have issues, which clearly they do. This season Amy is expecting more and we are seeing disappointment. I don't understand why so many ladies are so head over heels with this relationship, in the first place. In the real world it would be considered toxic.

Edited January 29, 2013 by Moonbase

[Kiru Breezy]

It's really quite something. No one can make direct observations from the show that suggest Amy and Sheldon have issues, which clearly they do. This season Amy is expecting more and we are seeing disappointment. I don't understand why so many ladies are so head over heels with this relationship, in the first place. In the real world it would be considered toxic.

 

No one is saying the couple doesn't have issues. Its just a BEAUTIFUL love story and you CLEARLY don't know what a toxic relationship is. 

[Nogravitasatall]

It's really quite something. No one can make direct observations from the show that suggest Amy and Sheldon have issues, which clearly they do. This season Amy is expecting more and we are seeing disappointment. I don't understand why so many ladies are so head over heels with this relationship, in the first place. In the real world it would be considered toxic.

 

It is quite something. They do get passes. But the number of times Amy has offered to off someone is growing. Maybe Sheldon should watch out for himself. Howard should watch himself too with Bernadette.Maybe one day the two ladies will both just... snap.

 

Lets hope that waits till Season 10. Or until Mr Lorre does another cross-over with CSI.

 

(Kidding folks...

 

 

no, you should worry...

 

 

no, still kidding. Apparently they regularly vacuum and tidy and that makes it ok)

Edited January 29, 2013 by Nogravitasatall

[MJistheBOMB]

To anyone who thinks Amy is content.  How do you get by the fact she has held hands with herself in desperation for physical content and she has to force Sheldon to hold hands with her or trick him into caring for her?  She obviously wants a physical connection and she is paired with one who has no desires for her physically.  He is not aroused by her nudity nor did he understand her runway model performance in the Christmas episode. 

 

Amy understands Sheldon in a way that no one else does. No matter what she wants from him physically, clearly, he is worth waiting for. Until the moment she realizes she is unhappy in her relationship with Sheldon, I'd say she is very content right now. Remember the first episode of the season? She threatened to leave Sheldon if he didn't show her that he was emotionally invested by saying something meaningful and from the heart. I don't recall her ever wanting to leave him because he won't have sex with her. Amy has already gotten Sheldon to do things during their relationship that he NEVER would have done otherwise. Sure, they're small things for others but for him, they're big steps forward. Just because he's moving at a pace that not everyone likes, doesn't mean he'll never get there and as of right now, Amy understands this.

 

Monique

[vasu]

Amy understands Sheldon in a way that no one else does. No matter what she wants from him physically, clearly, he is worth waiting for. Until the moment she realizes she is unhappy in her relationship with Sheldon, I'd say she is very content right now. Remember the first episode of the season? She threatened to leave Sheldon if he didn't show her that he was emotionally invested by saying something meaningful and from the heart. I don't recall her ever wanting to leave him because he won't have sex with her. Amy has already gotten Sheldon to do things during their relationship that he NEVER would have done otherwise. Sure, they're small things for others but for him, they're big steps forward. Just because he's moving at a pace that not everyone likes, doesn't mean he'll never get there and as of right now, Amy understands this.

 

Monique

 

I think its Penny who understands Sheldon the most...probably after his mother...

 

I can say that Amy treats Sheldon in a way no one does..like a man.....but I'm not sure if she understands Sheldon in a way no one does(not the science talk)....