Pomita Posted January 31, 2013 Posted January 31, 2013 I read reviews. The standard ones were almost uniformly excellent, which agrees with my view and that of most people here (87% gave it an 'excellent' or 'very good'). In case anyone's interested: http://www.tvequals.com/2013/01/10/the-big-bang-theory-season-6-review-the-bakersfield-expedition-faith-renewed/ http://www.tvfanatic.com/2013/01/the-big-bang-theory-review-the-bakersfield-expedition/http://entertainment.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474981836805http://www.denofgeek.com/tv/the-big-bang-theory/24053/the-big-bang-theory-season-6-episode-13-review-the-bakersfield-expeditionhttp://www.examiner.com/review/the-big-bang-theory-recap-season-6-episode-13-the-bakersfield-expedition Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbase Posted January 31, 2013 Posted January 31, 2013 Not so. I just went on google to see what came up when I typed in "The Bakersfield Expedition review". There were 4 negative and 3 positive reviews on the first page. I didn't go any further, its not scientific or anything but Europa is making an honest point. Just saying. I'm hoping tonight ep will be better received. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantagrae Posted January 31, 2013 Posted January 31, 2013 Not so. I just went on google to see what came up when I typed in "The Bakersfield Expedition review". There were 4 negative and 3 positive reviews on the first page. I didn't go any further, its not scientific or anything but Europa is making an honest point. Just saying. I'm hoping tonight ep will be better received. I think it depends on the people doing the reviews. Just like on these boards, there are some people around here who tend to see only negative things in the episodes because they want or expect only a certain narrow kind of writing or whatever. I think you have to read the review to see why the person dislikes it to tell whether or not the reasons are legitimate, in terms of the bigger picture, or if the reviewer has an agenda (like the way some Shennys hate any episode that undermines their fantasy of Sheldon and Penny getting together, etc.) Here on the boards, where presumably we're all enthusiasts, opinions vary wildly about good and bad episodes and one person's favorite is another person's least favorite. Grains of salt everywhere. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbase Posted January 31, 2013 Posted January 31, 2013 (edited) I think it depends on the people doing the reviews. Just like on these boards, there are some people around here who tend to see only negative things in the episodes because they want or expect only a certain narrow kind of writing or whatever. I think you have to read the review to see why the person dislikes it to tell whether or not the reasons are legitimate, in terms of the bigger picture, or if the reviewer has an agenda (like the way some Shennys hate any episode that undermines their fantasy of Sheldon and Penny getting together, etc.) Here on the boards, where presumably we're all enthusiasts, opinions vary wildly about good and bad episodes and one person's favorite is another person's least favorite. Grains of salt everywhere. Yes, it does depend on who is doing the reviewing but all I did was google and take the first 10 reviews that came up. Three of them didn't have an opinion, they were just general. The other seven were all different. And I did read them, well... I skimmed a couple. There were no shenny's. Edited January 31, 2013 by Moonbase Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pomita Posted January 31, 2013 Posted January 31, 2013 Not so. I just went on google to see what came up when I typed in "The Bakersfield Expedition review". There were 4 negative and 3 positive reviews on the first page. I didn't go any further, its not scientific or anything but Europa is making an honest point. Just saying. I'm hoping tonight ep will be better received. I'm not saying she wasn't honest. I'm listing the reviews I read, which were 5 of the 7 I went through - these five were extremely positive, and the other two were iffy. This, the ratings and the 87% positive response on this forum (more than almost all other season 6 episodes) makes me think it was overall well-received. It's entirely possible that the universe gives each of us what we want to see, so we're all finding our own versions of the truth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Europa Posted January 31, 2013 Posted January 31, 2013 I was actually looking up some detail of an episode on Wikipedia and read that this episode received mixed to poor reviews. This surprised me since it was one of my favorites of the season. I read the one from the AV club and it was scathing. I just thought it was interesting/odd that considering how well received it was with the fans, others didn't see it that way at all. Made me wonder if I missed something. :D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantagrae Posted January 31, 2013 Posted January 31, 2013 I was actually looking up some detail of an episode on Wikipedia and read that this episode received mixed to poor reviews. This surprised me since it was one of my favorites of the season. I read the one from the AV club and it was scathing. I just thought it was interesting/odd that considering how well received it was with the fans, others didn't see it that way at all. Made me wonder if I missed something. :D Do you remember what it is they disliked? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Europa Posted January 31, 2013 Posted January 31, 2013 Here's a link to the article. She really didn't like it. http://www.avclub.com/articles/the-bakersfield-expedition,90560/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ar Diem Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 I was actually looking up some detail of an episode on Wikipedia and read that this episode received mixed to poor reviews. This surprised me since it was one of my favorites of the season. I read the one from the AV club and it was scathing. I just thought it was interesting/odd that considering how well received it was with the fans, others didn't see it that way at all. Made me wonder if I missed something. :D I doubt you missed anything. It comes down to interpretation. I outgrew play-pretending and comic books sometime before Jr. High School. I haven't worn a costume outside of a play since the last time I went trick-or-treating. Because I don't can't understand what motivates grown men to do that I see an episode that mocks them for their comic book obsession. I don't understand why the girls got obsessed over Thor's hammer either. I think people who do partake in those kinds of activities may take some offense when the cop is making a mother joke at their expense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbase Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 I'm not saying she wasn't honest. I'm listing the reviews I read, which were 5 of the 7 I went through - these five were extremely positive, and the other two were iffy. This, the ratings and the 87% positive response on this forum (more than almost all other season 6 episodes) makes me think it was overall well-received. It's entirely possible that the universe gives each of us what we want to see, so we're all finding our own versions of the truth. Are you saying I'm not honest? because that's rubbish. I literally looked at this first page on google using the words 'The Bakersfield Expedition review'. You are welcome to do my search with those words. The first 3 were not positive. As for the universe providing me with what I want to see... you're kidding right? Wiki says : "The Bakersfield Expedition" received mostly mixed to negative reviews despite the high ratings." So when you say 'finding our own versions of the truth', it's not me you're talking about. What does it matter anyway? you liked it anyway, this forum liked it.... 87% apparently. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Fan 420 Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 Yawn, I voted okay. Another so-so episode for me. The girls in the comic book store with Stuart was not bad "I swear I will turn a hose on you" The guys in their costumes taking pictures didn't make me laugh at all. These guys are geniuses? The renaissance fare costume episode was much funnier than this. The whole thing became so miserable very quickly. A story of growth? Talk about taking the joy right out of the show! The only saving grace was the girls argument over Thor. This summed my feelings on this ep exactly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
koops Posted February 5, 2013 Posted February 5, 2013 (edited) I think this episode was controversial because it can be interpreted as both celebrating and insulting nerd culture, and I wonder whether the people writing the reviews are nerds or not, hypersensitive or non sensitive enough, and, finally, really invested in the series or not. I do think that writing reviews for a living is really hard because IMO your perception can change immensely when you know the story and the characters inside-out as opposed to just watch the episode with a completely detached perspective. I also don't read reviews because, frankly, I do not understand the need for people to be paid just to give me their opinion on something. And that is true for entertainment, politics, religion, whatever. In any case, I think that whilst the episode can be blamed for exaggerating some aspects (i.e. the girls never going to the comic book store - when actually, they have in the past, many times! - and the guys in the comic book store being losers), I also think that some things are very very real. As much as the general audience likes to get outraged at the guys being made fun of in the diner, I bet you that most of them would do that exact same thing if they stumbled upon people dressed up in costumes in a diner. They like to say we should celebrate nerd culture as if that's the way it works in real life but it doesn't. Since I was very young I was ashamed of admitting to people I argue for hours about sci-fi and a tv show online because I KNOW I will be made fun of. I have friends who are very much into manga culture and have a different approach to life and do cosplays and stuff and they are made fun of all the time. People do NOT understand or accept what it means to be a geek or obsess over something, they just like to pretend they do and to get outraged about it. But real life doesn't sugar coat it, it's cool to be a fake-nerd because it's hip right now (ala Zoey Deschanel) but if you're a real nerd you will be made fun of and hurt. I think it's great that this episode made people feel uncomfortable because that's how it feels to be shunned by society. People should see that. Edited February 5, 2013 by spook Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The God Particle Posted February 5, 2013 Posted February 5, 2013 To paraphrase The X-Men: Geek and Proud. Although I don't dress up or go to Cons or anything I've always been quite proud to be a geek. I love Science Fiction, hell I love Science and it does not bother me what others say or think. It never has. *Shrugs* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pomita Posted February 5, 2013 Posted February 5, 2013 Are you saying I'm not honest? because that's rubbish. I literally looked at this first page on google using the words 'The Bakersfield Expedition review'. You are welcome to do my search with those words. The first 3 were not positive. As for the universe providing me with what I want to see... you're kidding right? Wiki says : "The Bakersfield Expedition" received mostly mixed to negative reviews despite the high ratings." So when you say 'finding our own versions of the truth', it's not me you're talking about. What does it matter anyway? you liked it anyway, this forum liked it.... 87% apparently. Where in 'we're all finding our own versions of the truth' did you get that I'm saying you are not honest? Talk about being touchy! I'm saying we're both (or all) probably focusing on the reviews which we tend to agree more with. There are dozens of reviews out there. It's a psychological thing. People do NOT understand or accept what it means to be a geek or obsess over something, they just like to pretend they do and to get outraged about it. That is so true. Ironically, it's often how I feel about my TBBT fascination, too. Both in real life and sometimes even on forums, when I'm told that I'm getting too unnecessarily emotionally attached to the show and characters, and I step back for a moment and go 'wait, what? But that's what being a fan means to me!' Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbase Posted February 5, 2013 Posted February 5, 2013 Where in 'we're all finding our own versions of the truth' did you get that I'm saying you are not honest? Talk about being touchy! I'm saying we're both (or all) probably focusing on the reviews which we tend to agree more with. There are dozens of reviews out there. It's a psychological thing. It's not a psychological thing at all... The Bakersfield Expedition on wikipedia -"This episode was met with mostly negative reviews from critics." The Big Bang Theory Wiki "The Bakersfield Expedition received mostly mixed to negative reviews despite the high ratings." "This episode was met with mixed reviews from critics." I find it hard to believe that all the reviewers were outraged geeks but I agree on some of Spooks points above. Most people would behave like that when faced with a bunch of nerds in costume. People judge others by how they look everyday. I just didn't want reminding of what the outside world would really think of our TBBT heroes, if they were real people. We kind of know that already. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pomita Posted February 5, 2013 Posted February 5, 2013 I agree with 'mixed reviews', but not with 'mostly negative', because I found a number of extremely appreciative reviews myself. Even that would be the opinion of the person who wrote in wiki, who may have happened to come across more negative reviews (b.t.w in the bigbangtheory wiki I can only find the 'mixed reviews' comment, where's the 'mixed to negative'?) The wikipedia article refers to just 3 negative reviews, and I found at least 6 good ones. So who knows. Not that any of this matters, just pointing out that just because it's written on wiki doesn't make it a fact, unless one actually reads all possible reviews and does a statistical count (which would be a waste of time for anyone). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
4ofN Posted February 6, 2013 Posted February 6, 2013 So, here goes... (This for all the people who have been tired of my incessant whining over the past few seasons) I finally saw this episode and I thought it was very funny. The writing around the comic book discussions was top notch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pomita Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 4ofN - I'm out of likes, but I like your post. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmp Posted February 9, 2013 Posted February 9, 2013 Regardless of what the reviews said, I loved it. The moment when the guys realized that, while they may be ridiculed by strangers, they were valued at home by the ladies in the social group was really touching for me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lissie Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 I have a question guys: REALLY there are some people there outside who never read a comic book in their lives?? That is beyond my imagination Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbangsheldon Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 i havent even seen a real comic book in real life Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantagrae Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 I've only seen a handful. When I was a kid I think I may have seen one or two my brother may have had, but he was never really into comic books or superhero stuff. The first comic books I remember were my cousin's Classics Comics, which were actually works of literature recreated as comics. I read Silas Marner and Huckleberry Finn, and maybe Uncle Tom's Cabin. I think that's nerdier than reading Batman or Spiderman comics... The only other comic books I've read were a handful that were created for Quantum Leap and a few that were done in 2008 or so for The X-Files. If it weren't for my TV obsessions, I wouldn't have read anything other than those old Classics Comics. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pomita Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 I have a question guys: REALLY there are some people there outside who never read a comic book in their lives?? That is beyond my imagination Jim Parsons is one of them. He says it makes him dizzy when he tries to read a comic book. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lissie Posted February 19, 2013 Posted February 19, 2013 (edited) Jim Parsons is one of them. He says it makes him dizzy when he tries to read a comic book. Dizzy? Hmm, maybe he needs our help for getting the art of reading comic books Edited February 19, 2013 by Lissie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogravitasatall Posted February 19, 2013 Posted February 19, 2013 I've only seen a handful. When I was a kid I think I may have seen one or two my brother may have had, but he was never really into comic books or superhero stuff. The first comic books I remember were my cousin's Classics Comics, which were actually works of literature recreated as comics. I read Silas Marner and Huckleberry Finn, and maybe Uncle Tom's Cabin. I think that's nerdier than reading Batman or Spiderman comics... The only other comic books I've read were a handful that were created for Quantum Leap and a few that were done in 2008 or so for The X-Files. If it weren't for my TV obsessions, I wouldn't have read anything other than those old Classics Comics. Try the graphic novel Watchmen. but note that it is for mature audiences - and if you have seen the film then maybe you don't need to read the book. It is a good run through of the superhero problem and is reasonably accessible IMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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