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6.15 The Spoiler Alert Segmentation (Feb. 7)


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The thing is, that after rewatching the episode, I don't think Amy realized what she was doing relationship-wise.   She kept repeating "roomate" and how good she was at everything that Leonard did,

Sheldon thought her lips looked too slippery...

After two watches, I'm still busy laughing at Raj's plot. I thought he was HILARIOUS in this episode - especially his desperate expressions on the phone - and Kunal definitely did a great job if he's

So, first of all... yes, the opening argument was too out of context and blew up too quickly. It would have worked better had they shown the two of them having trouble for a couple of episodes first. And I say this despite the fact that I really, really, really hate people spoiling books/movies on me too.

 

The bulk of the episode was hilarious... although when Sheldon's "The evidence does support that" line came up, I was disappointed - it would have been way more awesome if it hadn't been in the trailer and thus spoiled. And no, I didn't preview the trailer, my TV station shows the trailer immediately before the episode.

 

The end scene by the elevator brought this episode to a crashing halt for me. Everyone is mad, everyone has issues with their SO's, and they all just go back to status quo without resolving anything, not even a little bit. Plus I don't really see what Leonard did wrong? Okay sure he was a little bit presumptive, but he DID actually ask Penny if it was okay, and she said it was, so for her to say that he moved in without even asking is stretching things.

 

Finally regarding the "Bastard" comment... the thing that shocked me the most about it wasn't the comment, it was Sheldon's response. I was expecting something similar to how he responds to "You're Crazy" ... or some kind of dictionary quote at least, such as "Not at all, bastard implies that... " or even "You need to call my mother and apologize!"

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Calling someone a bastard might not be comparable to calling someone a woman but I'm sure in the heat of the moment no one really opens up their etiquette book to see what would be a comparable response... :icon_lol:

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Well that was fun  (the episode) :D


highlights:

- Leonard throws away the roommate agreement
- Raj and Mrs Wolowitz :lol:
- seeing Mrs Wolowitz´s body and hair
- the voicemail message from SHAMY :lol: loved Amys idea!
- Sheldons "uhhm" :lol:
- Penny said again that she loves Leonard :love: (she told it Sheldon in this case)
- Penny said Sheldon & Leonard are like Bert and Ernie
- Sheldon kinda stroked Leonards hair and noticed he´s using a lot of hairgel :lol:
- the end where Mrs Wolowitz pulled Raj through the window  back into the house and her arms OMG :lol:

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 I am glad that Leonard is able to stand up, defend his opinion and show that his status in this apartment  also counts, but calling him a bastard was very offensive and comparing this with the naming someone a woman is overkill.

And I mean that, when they are fighting and they are hurting each others feelings that Sheldon is the one who shows in his own way, more than Leonard does,  that he cares for Leonard.

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Triva question. Penny said Leonard and Sheldon were like Bert and Ernie and I don't remember which character she said Leonard was but in the episode where Leonard asked her to get a date for Howard, she said her and her girlfriend had a big fight over Bert and Ernie because they both liked the same one. Was the one they liked the one she associated with Leonard?

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Triva question. Penny said Leonard and Sheldon were like Bert and Ernie and I don't remember which character she said Leonard was but in the episode where Leonard asked her to get a date for Howard, she said her and her girlfriend had a big fight over Bert and Ernie because they both liked the same one. Was the one they liked the one she associated with Leonard?

 

She said that Leonard was Ernie on this one, and before on S3 she said she wanted Ernie. So it's great continuity!

 

I also noticed that Amy said she didn't wear lip gloss anymore because Sheldon had said it made her mouth look to "slippery". She was using Lip Gloss on Higgs Boson and then never wore it again, so it's also good continuity on there, it explains why she didn't use it again.

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I'm not saying Sheldon was in the right and Leonard was in the wrong. Like I said, I found Sheldon's bitchiness equally annoying, cliche' and over the top. I just think bastard is a pretty strong word. I don't think calling someone a bastard is comparable to calling someone a woman. 

 

eta: Kiru!! I loved Raj's facial expressions when he was on the phone. LOL! 

 

From my experience bastard is so overused it really is not that strong anymore.

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She said that Leonard was Ernie on this one, and before on S3 she said she wanted Ernie. So it's great continuity!

 

I also noticed that Amy said she didn't wear lip gloss anymore because Sheldon had said it made her mouth look to "slippery". She was using Lip Gloss on Higgs Boson and then never wore it again, so it's also good continuity on there, it explains why she didn't use it again.

Also calling Leonard Ernie is like saying she loves him again because I remember her telling him the heart wants what the heart wants. I really think that whole Bert/Ernie thing was put in there on purpose by the writers for the fans to figure out.

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It wasn't a bad episode. I call it a throw away episode or a filler episode. The whole thing with Raj/Howard's mother was funny and the fights between Leonard and Sheldon were alright but it seems like we've been down this road before.

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I liked everything in this episode, except the fight. The Raj and Mrs Wolowitz scenes were a new and interesting twist. It was funny how he got trapped. Howard's warning "Raj, listen to me, you need to get out of there" was funny. Even if Raj being dragged back in the window was ever so slightly ... creepy.

On the downside the fight was off. The whole idea that Sheldon would spoil any TV show or book, is really hard for me to get my head round. He is such a stickler, to the absolute extreme yet he just brushed this off. I would expect a factual agreement with Leonard about not spoiling, or a story of his own about being spoiled but instead we get this fight. Sheldon also seemed intentionally mean, and called Leonard "little lady". I'm pretty sure that's sarcasm. After that bit it got better and the flow was good. It didn't feel like they had tried to cram in too much.

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I liked everything in this episode, except the fight. The Raj and Mrs Wolowitz scenes were a new and interesting twist. It was funny how he got trapped. Howard's warning "Raj, listen to me, you need to get out of there" was funny. Even if Raj being dragged back in the window was ever so slightly ... creepy.

 

I loved it too. It was a bit Misery-style a bit less creepy of course, but still creepy enough.

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Very good episode. But I didn't get what does "brown water" mean. :/

 

There's the expression that someone is a "tall glass of water", usually meaning someone tall and lanky.

In this case, Mrs. Wolowitz was trying to say that about Raj, to imply that he didn't need to watch his weight (about the dessert), but she always refers to him as "that little brown boy", so she said "tall glass of brown water", which, of course, is funnier because brown water is...blech!

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I think my favorite part of the episode was the Shenny posts on Tumblr this morning. I have to give them props when the credit is due. And I'm not being sarcastic (well... maybe a little). i mean, to take this part of the dialog
 

Penny: Sheldon! What did you say?!’
Sheldon: ‘I said the truth. You don’t wanna live with Leonard and you know it’


take it out of context and post it with a slow-motion gifs of Penny and Sheldon looking at each other (and Leonard and Amy, but they were blurred, so they were not there) really brings a paralell universe feeling to it. Where Sheldon says this to Penny because we all know that Sheldon knows that Penny is in love with him and she really wants to live with Sheldon and Sheldon wants her to snap and come forward and admit that she is in love with him, and not Leonard and not because Sheldon wants Leonard to come back to live with him, of course, that would be ludicrous.

 

So, I guess the paralell universe aired on Shennyland, and the other one where Sheldon wants to live with Leonard is the one that aired in other places.

 

 

*bitchy mode off*

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Ok episode for me...

 

Raj parts were funny...Penny saying she loves Leonard again was ok.......the whole fighting apartment shifting thing was a little bit chuckle-worthy ..... but the whole story seemed really lackluster to me...and the resolution has to be the worst one I have ever seen...and I guess this will not be referenced again,,..

 

 

Sheldon - I think somewhere in season 2  , he says something that his mind once pre-blown cannot be re-blown or something...so him spoiling Leonard seemed odd....

 

Leonard - he looks foolish and inconsiderate when he tells Penny that he is moving in...and what probably worse was the complete lack of focus on Leonard's reaction..I mean one would think he would be excited by this development in their relationship...but the focus entirely shifted on Penny's horror

 

Penny - I think I can sympathize with Penny in this case .... but still we never get to see the actual reason for her hesitancy...."She's not ready yet" -- just does not seem enough now...... 

 

Amy - She herself said Sheldon was a flight risk this season and here she completely pushes him....

 

None of them looked good to me,...

 

I guess I can understand the Amy-Sheldon part...she desperately wants to move things forward and of course he is not ready yet.....but again after her outburst ..the whole complaining to Penny thing just like a cop out to me.....there's only so many times she can question how long she has to wait before she need to pull the plug

 

Just the fact that Penny and Leonard did not discuss the prospect of living together  makes it clear that this was just a gag and not a real story....

 

And the whole fighting thing at the beginning -- it just felt like the writers followed a template for comedy --- same nonsense as we got in the Amy- Wheaton- Sheldon episode 

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OH MY GOD! Are you all catching Slicknickshady's disease???? LOL! Stop it before it's too late for us to save you!  :icon_lol:

 

What part of Penny saying "I love him" when talking about Leonard did they miss? lol.

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OH MY GOD! Are you all catching Slicknickshady's disease???? LOL! Stop it before it's too late for us to save you!  :icon_lol:

 

What part of Penny saying "I love him" when talking about Leonard did they miss? lol.

 

it was on my dashboard, posted under The Big Bang Theory geneal tag so it's not my fault, I didn't search for Shenny specifically-

 

And I the "I love him" part I guess didn't air on there.

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I wasn't really bothered by the opening fight.

I think it was a bit of a stretch to have Leonard only now reading the HP books and apparently not have seen the movies or anything, but I suppose they had to come up with something that the audience would recognize as a big deal--to find out that Dumbledore dies--and have Sheldon spoil it.  I suppose they could have come up with some other thing for them to fight about, but they've already fought about so many things over the years.

 

And I do think that Leonard might get that mad and stomp out over something like Sheldon's lack of consideration.  I think that Sheldon wouldn't care about spoiling something like that for someone else.  It's typical of him to care about things like spoilers for himself, but not necessarily care about it if pertains to others.  And then to pile on with another one of his crazy theories about soy milk somehow feminizing Leonard and making him an "hysterical woman", I'm not surprised that Leonard would get mad, toss the RA and stomp out.

And calling him a crazy bastard isn't really new.  Howard used the term back in S4 when they were all eating at Raj's apt--"That crazy bastard is looking at quirky in the rearview mirror."  While that may have not been said to his face, I think that one can imagine that the guys talk about Sheldon's "quirks" that way on a regular basis.

For Leonard to use it in the heat of anger doesn't strike me as being any more harsh than when he told Sheldon to "Go to hell and set their thermostat!"

 

In that episode--the Staircase flashback ep--Leonard also had a screaming fight with Sheldon and stomped out of the apartment.  He and Penny weren't together at that time, but he did ask if he could sleep on her couch, meaning that he needed to get away from Sheldon.

 

The difference this time is that he and Penny are a couple, so in the heat of his anger he decides he'll just move in with Penny.  If he and Penny hadn't been together, he probably would still have sought refuge with her, but he wouldn't have had such an easy opportunity to get out.

 

I don't think that Leonard was wrong to get a bit fed up with Sheldon, but I do think he was wrong to impose himself on Penny, which is, of course what makes it all funny.  And the same thing with Amy imposing herself on Sheldon.

I don't think it's a matter of Penny and Sheldon being immature.  Leonard and Amy inviting themselves into Penny and Sheldon's apartments was like someone inviting themselves to a party.  You don't want to say, "No, you're not invited", but at the same time, they're not really invited, so you're put in an awkward position.

 

I think that Penny really hit it on the head in the stairwell showdown, and although Sheldon wasn't able to say it to Amy's face, he told the truth in the discussion in Penny's doorway.  Leonard just barged his way in without discussing it with Penny or asking her if she was ready for it, and Amy didn't take into consideration that Sheldon, who would naturally have more qualms about such things, would have a hard time adjusting to the idea of living with a woman, let alone with his girlfriend.  If Penny isn't ready for it, Sheldon for sure isn't ready for it, even if Amy were planning to move into Leonard's room.

 

Anyway, I loved it and the Raj/H/B storyline was also very funny.  I loved Bernie's line, "If you could bend that far you'd be doing us both a favor." :D

 

Just so much fun in this episode and they really struck just the right tone.

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Ok episode for me...

 

Raj parts were funny...Penny saying she loves Leonard again was ok.......but the whole fighting apartment shifting thing was a little bit chuckle-worthy ..... but the whole story seemed really lackluster to me...

 

 

Sheldon - I think somewhere in season 2  , he says something that his mind once pre-blown cannot be re-blown or something...so him spoiling Leonard seemed odd....

 

Leonard - he looks foolish and inconsiderate when he tells Penny that he is moving in...and what probably worse was the complete lack of focus on Leonard's reaction..I mean one would think he would be excited by this development in their relationship...but the focus entirely shifted on Penny's horror

 

Penny - I think I can sympathize with Penny in this case .... but still we never get to see the actual reason for her hesitancy...."She's not ready yet" -- just does not seem enough now...... 

 

Amy - She herself said Sheldon was a flight risk this season and here she completely pushes him....

 

None of them looked good for me,...and this episode probably has to be the worst ending ever........

 

I guess I can understand the Amy-Sheldon part...she desperately wants to move things forward and of course he is not ready yet.....but again after her outburst ..the whole complaining to Penny thing just like a cop out to me.....there's only so many times she can question how long she has to wait before she need to pull the plug

 

Just the fact that Penny and Leonard did not discuss the prospect of living together  makes it clear that this was just a gag and not a real story....

 

And the whole fighting thing at the beginning -- it just felt like the writers are followed a template for comedy --- same nonsense as we got in the Amy- Wheaton- Sheldon episode 

 

The thing is, that after rewatching the episode, I don't think Amy realized what she was doing relationship-wise.

 

She kept repeating "roomate" and how good she was at everything that Leonard did, and even ran to Leonard's room to see if her water bed could fit. So I didn't see it as her "pushing" him relationship wise, because I don't think she realized.

 

And, strangely, Sheldon did. He couldn't refute Amy's logic, because it was right, she is the perfect roomate for him. But I think he realized that she couldn't be just his roomate. Amy being her girlfriend AND living with him would bring the "intimacy level" that they are not ready for yet, and he realized.

 

Sheldon's mistake was to not say this to her and blame it on Penny. But he was the mature one on the situation, while Amy didn't even realize the implications-.

Which I find interesting because it puts them in a more equal ground, as it is usually Sheldon the one who is oblivious, and not Amy. But the feel I got from this episode was the contrary-.

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