Moonbase Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 I enjoyed the episode. I wasn't offended by the "bastard" comment. Penny has called Leonard a "rat bastard" before. I think the argument parallelled the flashback argument in the episode when Leonard was telling Penny how he came to be Sheldon's roommate. Loved that Amy let loose on Sheldon. Poor Raj...think he'll develop Stockholm Syndrome? No I wasn't either, Howard has used the exact words 'crazy bastard' to describe Sheldon in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pomita Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 After two watches, I'm still busy laughing at Raj's plot. I thought he was HILARIOUS in this episode - especially his desperate expressions on the phone - and Kunal definitely did a great job if he's coming to my mind more at this time than the other part of the story which involved Shamy! The rest, I think they played it well with the conflicts. I was afraid from the taping report that it would get too angsty, but I found I kept laughing more or less throughout. Only the Leonard/Sheldon fight at the beginning was unpleasant to me - mainly because it felt like just a set-up to Leonard wanting to move out. I get that it was meant to be a 'last straw breaks the back' kind of thing, with Leonard, but it just felt like they've had disputes about more compelling matters before and this one just got blown up too quickly out of proportion. Well, quarrels sometimes do happen that way, but perhaps I'm just not a fan of Leonard and Sheldon quarreling in a serious vein. I love their bond too much; and unlike in Friendship Contraction, this time Sheldon didn't even seem that bothered about mending fences and getting him back, till he had other motives for doing so. This was one of the episodes where I really got reminded of what brilliant actors some of them are - I mean specially Sheldon's, Amy's, Penny's and Raj's expressions. Amy's angry/hurt/touching/comical outburst was perfect; Penny's face of confusion was priceless; and Sheldon cracked me up every time he went 'um', while at the same time making me feel for his internal conflict. I do think that Leonard and Amy were both presumptuous in thinking they could just move in without really considering what their partners felt about it. In all fairness, Leonard did ask Penny once if it was a problem, but it was clearly asked in a way that implied he would be hurt if she didn't reply positively. And in all fairness, Amy just came up with the happy thought after she got to know that Sheldon was looking for a roommate, and she fit the bill - she hadn't tried to set it up or something. But given that both of them know Penny's and Sheldon's respective issues, it would have been better to stop and think for a moment. Surprisingly, both Leonard and Amy, in their enthusiasm, showed a Sheldonesque incapacity for reading facial expressions here, and (as Sursonica pointed out) Sheldon was the one who displayed more emotional maturity in the situation and could identify his reluctance to be because he isn't ready to move into a greater level of intimacy just yet. I don't think Amy even gave so much thought to it, as to plan it consciously as a major relationship stepping-stone; she just came up with the idea suddenly, in the heat of the moment, and then reveled in the thought of getting to spend more time close to Sheldon. A very enjoyable episode, on the whole. I'll get back to watching it once more now. I NEED to hear Raj say 'she's not going to give me a bath, is she?' and to see Sheldon's face when he reads Amy's phone message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aster7 Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 After two watches, I'm still busy laughing at Raj's plot. I thought he was HILARIOUS in this episode - especially his desperate expressions on the phone - and Kunal definitely did a great job if he's coming to my mind more at this time than the other part of the story which involved Shamy! The rest, I think they played it well with the conflicts. I was afraid from the taping report that it would get too angsty, but I found I kept laughing more or less throughout. Only the Leonard/Sheldon fight at the beginning was unpleasant to me - mainly because it felt like just a set-up to Leonard wanting to move out. I get that it was meant to be a 'last straw breaks the back' kind of thing, with Leonard, but it just felt like they've had disputes about more compelling matters before and this one just got blown up too quickly out of proportion. Well, quarrels sometimes do happen that way, but perhaps I'm just not a fan of Leonard and Sheldon quarreling in a serious vein. I love their bond too much; and unlike in Friendship Contraction, this time Sheldon didn't even seem that bothered about mending fences and getting him back, till he had other motives for doing so. This was one of the episodes where I really got reminded of what brilliant actors some of them are - I mean specially Sheldon's, Amy's, Penny's and Raj's expressions. Amy's angry/hurt/touching/comical outburst was perfect; Penny's face of confusion was priceless; and Sheldon cracked me up every time he went 'um', while at the same time making me feel for his internal conflict. I do think that Leonard and Amy were both presumptuous in thinking they could just move in without really considering what their partners felt about it. In all fairness, Leonard did ask Penny once if it was a problem, but it was clearly asked in a way that implied he would be hurt if she didn't reply positively. And in all fairness, Amy just came up with the happy thought after she got to know that Sheldon was looking for a roommate, and she fit the bill - she hadn't tried to set it up or something. But given that both of them know Penny's and Sheldon's respective issues, it would have been better to stop and think for a moment. Surprisingly, both Leonard and Amy, in their enthusiasm, showed a Sheldonesque incapacity for reading facial expressions here, and (as Sursonica pointed out) Sheldon was the one who displayed more emotional maturity in the situation and could identify his reluctance to be because he isn't ready to move into a greater level of intimacy just yet. I don't think Amy even gave so much thought to it, as to plan it consciously as a major relationship stepping-stone; she just came up with the idea suddenly, in the heat of the moment, and then reveled in the thought of getting to spend more time close to Sheldon. A very enjoyable episode, on the whole. I'll get back to watching it once more now. I NEED to hear Raj say 'she's not going to give me a bath, is she?' and to see Sheldon's face when he reads Amy's phone message. I just completely agree with everything! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantagrae Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 I'm loving this episode more and more as I think about it, rewatch it, read everyone's comments. I'm surprised I haven't yet run out of "likes"!! :D I also loved Sheldon's comment about the His and Hers towels: "Like I'd ever dry myself with something that has a possessive pronoun on it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ar Diem Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 You guys never cease to amaze me finding deeper meanings in a sitcom. I guess it is because I only watch each new episode once and I just go with my initial reactions to how the story plays out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantagrae Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 When Mrs. Wolowitz calls Raj for his bath, she calls him something, like a nickname. I'm sure it's a Jewish endearment of some kind, but I can't hear it well enough and I don't know enough Yiddish to figure it oul "Tatala"?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annieogly Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 When Mrs. Wolowitz calls Raj for his bath, she calls him something, like a nickname. I'm sure it's a Jewish endearment of some kind, but I can't hear it well enough and I don't know enough Yiddish to figure it oul "Tatala"?? tatala I think means 'little one' (no one in my family speaks Yiddish anymore) I do knowi ts an endearment. Gods I love Mrs. Wolowitz & look forward to Raj's Bar Mitvah;-) though I totally miss the Koothrapallis, love his parents on Skype! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pomita Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 (edited) Thanks Aster. I'm surprised I'm not out of likes, too. Oh, I can never stick to once. I've found that I seem to enjoy most episodes more on repeat viewings. It's 5 a.m. and I sitting here looking up 'bar mitzvah' on wiki. I'd like someone to tell me now that a fanship can't be a distraction. I'm growing more and more in love with Amy's voicemail message and Sheldon's face of utter consternation when he reads it. And her 'peep' at the end. And the scene where Sheldon and Penny subtly communicate their similar reservations while Leonard stands there oblivious. And.. well, quite a lot of things. Edited February 9, 2013 by Pomita Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engrprince Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 I watched it a again, I enjoyed it especially the Growth in the three characters, 1) Sheldon actually concerned about someone else's feelings 2) Penny announcing her love to Sheldon in a controlled manor and not a slip. 3) Amy standing up for herself. But I still have two issues I think the ending was terrible and resolved nothing and I thought Leonard's response of not moving in totally out of character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRAM Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 I watched it a again, I enjoyed it especially the Growth in the three characters, 1) Sheldon actually concerned about someone else's feelings 2) Penny announcing her love to Sheldon in a controlled manor and not a slip. 3) Amy standing up for herself. But I still have two issues I think the ending was terrible and resolved nothing and I thought Leonard's response of not moving in totally out of character. Maybe Leonard has learned to accept things with Penny instead of pushing issues, because they never work out for him when he does. Now that she loves him I can see him being a little more laid back with her and her slow progress in their relationship, because he doesn't have to worry about her dumping him. If anything, I am surprised Sheldon didn't say anything when she said she loved Leonard and therefore didn't want to hurt him. I guess we are suppose to understand that everyone knows now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vasu Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 (edited) After reading some of the comments here.... I guess I am not able to understand how some of you say that Sheldon was concerned about other's feelings... -- he was not concerned about Leonard , he could not find a logical answer to Amy's questions so he tried to get Leonard back and later throws Penny under the bus... At each stage of this episode I saw nothing but Sheldon concerned about himself and his own feelings..... I I think the ending was terrible and resolved nothing and I thought Leonard's response of not moving in totally out of character. I completely agree.,.. It just does not even make any sense as far as the story is concerned....the complete lack of focus on his reactions was really bad both during the initial and later phases of the episode... and after Penny says that he did not even ask her if she was ready....it looked as if he suddenly realized his mistake.... I mean should'nt he be asking then why at first place Penny agreed to him moving in with her....and he goes back to living with Sheldon ....without even getting an apology...great I have to say Leonard looked pretty immature , inconsiderate and foolish in this episode... Edited February 9, 2013 by vasu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmp Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 I was slightly taken aback by Sheldon's sexist comments to Leonard at the beginning of the episode, but I think it fits with the same Sheldon who listened too much to his father growing up. Raj was fabulous in this episode. I can't get the image of him chatting with Howard on the cell phone out of my head. Hilarious! Kaley did a great acting job in this episode. The last couple of episodes, they've given her some scenes that let her show what she can do, and she has risen to the challenge. Her facial expressions were great, especially in that doorway scene when Sheldon was trying to get Leonard to move back in with him. I loved the phone message too, the way they said "Leave a message" at exactly the same time. I think Jim was struggling to keep a straight face after the "We out dropping science, son!" line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantagrae Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 After reading some of the comments here.... I guess I am not able to understand how some of you say that Sheldon was concerned about other's feelings... -- he was not concerned about Leonard , he could not find a logical answer to Amy's questions so he tried to get Leonard back and later throws Penny under the bus... At each stage of this episode I saw nothing but Sheldon concerned about himself and his own feelings..... I completely agree.,.. It just does not even make any sense as far as the story is concerned....the complete lack of focus on his reactions was really bad both during the initial and later phases of the episode... and after Penny says that he did not even ask her if she was ready....it looked as if he suddenly realized his mistake.... I mean should'nt he be asking then why at first place Penny agreed to him moving in with her....and he goes back to living with Sheldon ....without even getting an apology...great I have to say Leonard looked pretty immature , inconsiderate and foolish in this episode... I think that Sheldon was concerned about not wanting to hurt Amy's feelings, but of course he also wanted things to go back to the way they were. He knew he wasn't ready for Amy to move in, but he didn't want to hurt her feelings by saying it that way. Of course he's not going to be a big empathetic person--he's never going to be that sensitive. But Amy's feelings--and his own, of course--were the most important to him. I don't think he's ever going to be mushy and apologetic with Leonard, just as Leonard is never going to be mushy and apologetic to him. Sheldon's always going to be self-centered and self-focused, but he is learning to be more careful with Amy because his relationship with her is different from any other he's ever had. I think that the ending was appropriate--Penny called Leonard on his imposition. He just invited himself to move in with her without giving her a chance to think it over and decide whether or not she was ready. It doesn't matter how long you've been dating, moving in together is a big step and a major upheaval of one's personal space, etc. She was trying to figure out a way to tell him the truth, but as she told Sheldon, she didn't want to hurt his feelings. She really didn't get a chance to do it because Amy let the cat out of the bag. But Leonard and Amy learned the hard truth--that they had both imposed themselves without being invited. And though Penny and Sheldon had beat around the bush and not been honest right away, in the end the truth came out and as Penny put it, both of the guys had been jerks about it. I don't think Leonard would have done himself any good to have tried to put Penny on the spot right then and try to insist that she consider in that moment whether or not he could move in. He'd already gotten his answer when she told him off for moving in without asking her if she was ready. That told him right then that she wasn't ready. Sheldon was a jerk for trying to blame Penny instead of owning up that he also wasn't ready for that step. But Amy was also wrong to just assume that logic was all there was to be considered. Just because something seems logical doesn't mean that it's right. In the end both Leonard and Sheldon were chagrined and in their somewhat shamed state, they realized that there was nothing to be done but for Leonard to come back home. I think it was a good resolution--the resolution is implied in things returning to where they were at the beginning, coming full circle. And Amy's comment about moving in with Penny was the Coda at the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vasu Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 (edited) I think that Sheldon was concerned about not wanting to hurt Amy's feelings, but of course he also wanted things to go back to the way they were. He knew he wasn't ready for Amy to move in, but he didn't want to hurt her feelings by saying it that way. Of course he's not going to be a big empathetic person--he's never going to be that sensitive. But Amy's feelings--and his own, of course--were the most important to him. I don't think he's ever going to be mushy and apologetic with Leonard, just as Leonard is never going to be mushy and apologetic to him. Sheldon's always going to be self-centered and self-focused, but he is learning to be more careful with Amy because his relationship with her is different from any other he's ever had. I think that the ending was appropriate--Penny called Leonard on his imposition. He just invited himself to move in with her without giving her a chance to think it over and decide whether or not she was ready. It doesn't matter how long you've been dating, moving in together is a big step and a major upheaval of one's personal space, etc. She was trying to figure out a way to tell him the truth, but as she told Sheldon, she didn't want to hurt his feelings. She really didn't get a chance to do it because Amy let the cat out of the bag. But Leonard and Amy learned the hard truth--that they had both imposed themselves without being invited. And though Penny and Sheldon had beat around the bush and not been honest right away, in the end the truth came out and as Penny put it, both of the guys had been jerks about it. I don't think Leonard would have done himself any good to have tried to put Penny on the spot right then and try to insist that she consider in that moment whether or not he could move in. He'd already gotten his answer when she told him off for moving in without asking her if she was ready. That told him right then that she wasn't ready. Sheldon was a jerk for trying to blame Penny instead of owning up that he also wasn't ready for that step. But Amy was also wrong to just assume that logic was all there was to be considered. Just because something seems logical doesn't mean that it's right. In the end both Leonard and Sheldon were chagrined and in their somewhat shamed state, they realized that there was nothing to be done but for Leonard to come back home. I think it was a good resolution--the resolution is implied in things returning to where they were at the beginning, coming full circle. And Amy's comment about moving in with Penny was the Coda at the end. It was pretty clear that if Sheldon had the chance prove that Amy was not right...he would have said it then and there itself...... Leonard's case - After Penny says its ok for him to move him.,...I think it is ok for us to assume that he genuinely thought that Penny was glad that he was moving in......which should have been huge for Leonard....but we never get to see his emotions or reactions on this....all the focus was on Penny's horror.... So him then not questioning her when she says she is not ready makes him look foolish.,..and the whole first scene where Leonard asks Penny made him look inconsiderate and immature Penny - Even thought she was in the right this whole episode...it is hard to rally around for her character....because season 6 into the show we still don't know much about what goes on in her mind...she is still as mysterious as ever....what are her issues...why is she reluctant to commit......the answers to these questions are pretty vague....is it her career....it is her fear because of her past experiences....or is Leonard not enough for her........ And if Leonard and Sheldon were jerks according to her then why was Amy not a jerk ( well lets say because she did not trouble her directly ) Amy - well her reaction was understandable....she has nothing but been patient with Sheldon..doing all sorts of things he likes even thought she does not like them....but after her being so distraught it felt like a cop out when she merely goes to Penny's to complain.....because again..there's only so many times she can question how long she has to wait before she has to pull the plug... And the fact that Leonard still goes back to Sheldon even after he spoils him again ....an issue which actually started the problems ....without even receiving an apology makes him look even more pathetic.... And Sheldon should have eidetic memory or something right... so him spoiling Leonard again at the end...makes it cheap joke..cause Sheldon should have never done it in the first place....(and I'm not even considering what happened with Stuart in season 2) I dont know what coda at the end means but Amy's comment at the end seemed like a one time thing.... A few apologies from the characters would have been atleast a better resolution for this lackluster plot......cause in the next episode based on what we have seen till now... everything will be back on square one again.... And the whole first argument.... Leonard recently seems to be becoming more assertive with Sheldon (like in last episode ) but suddenly having him snap at Sheldon in a way he did.....feels like the writers just put an argument just for the sake of an argument...and not concerning about whether the characters would behave like this given their past.... If it were'nt for the Raj plot and Penny's ILY .... this episode would have gone into pretty bad episodes category for me..... Characters should mistakes in a show but its much better if we are able to see their side of that ..... Edited February 9, 2013 by vasu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogravitasatall Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 From my experience bastard is so overused it really is not that strong anymore. its almost a term of endearment in Strine. But I think Leonard meant it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogravitasatall Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 If it were'nt for the Raj plot and Penny's ILY .... this episode would have gone into pretty bad episodes category for me..... As I was watching all the running around in the last (?) scene between apartments it evoked for me a sense of classic British sitcom farce. I enjoyed that. That Leonard snapped with Sheldon and Penny did not with Leonard was fine for me. And Sheldon and Penny almost conspiring was a hoot. How often are they starting on the same page? I also find it interesting that the writers have at least twice now that I've seen acknowledged duration in the show and in a sense have highlighted that the characters have been marking time wrt to relationship progression. They have counted the years - which I can't recall noting in other shows. Usually there are no chronological references in sitcoms i think. What does it mean that we see it here? @Vasu, I suspect she will always be an enigma in some regard, but we did get a bit of insight. Not disappointed at all here. Looking forward to V-Day (as ever). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oogly boogly Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Apparently there is one woman Raj can talk to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiru Breezy Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 As I was watching all the running around in the last (?) scene between apartments it evoked for me a sense of classic British sitcom farce. I enjoyed that. That Leonard snapped with Sheldon and Penny did not with Leonard was fine for me. And Sheldon and Penny almost conspiring was a hoot. How often are they starting on the same page? I also find it interesting that the writers have at least twice now that I've seen acknowledged duration in the show and in a sense have highlighted that the characters have been marking time wrt to relationship progression. They have counted the years - which I can't recall noting in other shows. Usually there are no chronological references in sitcoms i think. What does it mean that we see it here? @Vasu, I suspect she will always be an enigma in some regard, but we did get a bit of insight. Not disappointed at all here. Looking forward to V-Day (as ever). US sitcoms almost always count the seasons as years and try to keep up with current time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbangsheldon Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 yeah they dont have summers - and if they did it might be problematic for tbbt because THEY ALL WEAR MORE THAN I DO IN WINTER so theyve saved themselves there:P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantagrae Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 yeah they dont have summers - and if they did it might be problematic for tbbt because THEY ALL WEAR MORE THAN I DO IN WINTER so theyve saved themselves there:P I think they do count the summers on TBBT because they've used it in the storyline. When the guys went to the North Pole at the end of S2, the summer hiatus was counted as the time they were away, and the months between the end of S3 and the beginning of S4 were referred to in the S4 opener when they said that Sheldon and Amy had been friends for four months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamerman55 Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this, but I thought it interesting that Amy specifically mentioned moving into Leonard's room (checking it to see if her waterbed would fit). So Sheldon wasn't faced with a physical escalation of the relationship, just that he had to deal with a new person, albeit very compatible with him, as a room mate. It seems to scare the sense out of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbangsheldon Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 i mean there are no episodes during summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ar Diem Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 its almost a term of endearment in Strine. But I think Leonard meant it. I am sure he meant it but it is still a fairly mild expletive these days, mild enough to be on TV. We have reached a place where it is actually worse to use non-expletives that still retain their meaning to attack than the expletives. Calling him a crazy bastard is funnier than it is vicious. I can't read the writers' minds but being that it is a sitcom I wouldn't be surprised if that was what they were going for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogravitasatall Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 US sitcoms almost always count the seasons as years and try to keep up with current time. When Sheldon goes all Emperor , Leonard says to Penny "have you learned nothing in 6 years?" And in this ep Amy explodes about the 2 year wait for Sheldon to recognise her efforts.. So that count of duration or the recognition of the passage of time (not just seasonal turnarounds) struck me, is all. Not sure if I've noticed that where a show tells the viewer how long the show has been around so I wondered if it was exceptional and or meaningful. I did think at the six years bit was sort of self referencing mocking, as things can get drawn out at 2311 N. Los Robles Avenue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 It seems to me that many viewers, myself included at first were misconstrued when Sheldon was at a loss for answers to Amy asking to move in with him. Yes I believed at first it was all or mostly about their relationship forcefully progressing but didn't anyone mention the fact that his biggest concern was losing his friendship with Leonard? It was a very serious decision for him. I know that Leonard sounded very serious this time about getting away from Sheldon, but come on, he had just moved out, so don't you all think that Sheldon would have needed some breathing room until reality set in? It was a pretty good episode. I laughed when Sheldon mentioned the spoiler from The Walking Dead. "Have you seen the one where Lori dies? [NO]. Well maybe she doesn't so lets find out. Now i know whether Lori lives or dies because I watched the whole series up until present, but how would someone who hasn't yet watched the Walking Dead react to this statement by Sheldon? Speaking of Walking Dead, a reminder, the second half of the season continues tomorrow Sunday Feb 10 an 9:00 EST 8:00 C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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