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The song kinda rubbed me the wrong way. I know he's not Sheldon. I know there are people who thinks he is Sheldon or behaves like Sheldon. But I hope some people have common sense that Jim is not Sheldon.

All I will say is Jim better not forget what show made him famous and got him Emmys.

 

He's not going to forget TBBT for his entire career and he's made it pretty clear how grateful and honoured he is. Doesn't mean he wants to stay as that character for the rest of his life. Sheldon Cooper is a character that will go down in TV history, and leaves Jim more susceptible to being typecast than most actors out there. We don't know how many times he's had to put up with "Say bazinga!" and "Look, there's Sheldon!". The whole point of SNL was to show all these other roles he could play, so the song was just supposed to be a light-hearted way of leading into that, doesn't mean he suddenly hates TBBT and his role in it.

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Yeah I didn't see the song as a slam on TBBT or even on Sheldon as a character. He's made it known a million times over that he's honored to play that character and work on the show. It's understandable he'd want people to know that that's not who he is. Actors who play very unique and famous characters often become typecast. He's a completely different guy IRL. But I don't even think the intention behind that song was that serious. It was just a joke.

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I was sort of disappointed when Jim left Innovative. While it was a big agency, his move to CAA yet not changing management really screamed what I was not wanting to realize - a pretty difficult time finding roles outside of Sheldon. By signing with CAA, who's got more leverage with casting directors and stuff, will give him more opportunity to expand as an actor. Just wanna clarify that I wasn't disappointed that he moved per se, just that it confirms the fact that "outside roles" had been quite difficult to come by despite his enormous success in The Big Bang Theory.

 

It had always seemed that Jim is a pretty realistic person - he mentioned in one interview that he was completely alright with being typecasted and that really made me appreciate him more. There is a lot of ego going on in the performing arts and while self-doubt is quite rampant (all the depression, alcohol and drug dependency, etc), people in that field have a tendency to magnify themselves especially in the midst of success. Lots of former big stars have talked about this thinking success gave them a ticket to be more "choosy". I'm sure there were always the Brads, Leos and Toms who were choosy but achieved success anyway, but one has to admit it is their physically commercial audience-friendly looks that brought their fame and glory, with their acting chops as a bonus. On the other hand, Jim is perfectly comfortable being typecasted because he knew it would lead to work. I'm sure he wants to do roles further from people's image of him, but he also knew what would keep the stability.

 

Personally, I think we'll see him in a lot of "awkward man" roles in commercial film and TV beyond The Big Bang Theory. I am sure most of his offers revolve around those kind of characters as well. But I always felt he could make a very sinister villain. You know those antagonists with a gentle face but disturbing thoughts? I'd love it if he explores that area. Someone I know quipped how Jim's performance reminded him of Rowan Atkinson's (Mr. Bean) comedy. Quite physical with those facial nuances. But then, I think a lot about Jim is how disarmingly brilliant he throws his dialogues. That's just me though.

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I was sort of disappointed when Jim left Innovative. While it was a big agency, his move to CAA yet not changing management really screamed what I was not wanting to realize - a pretty difficult time finding roles outside of Sheldon. By signing with CAA, who's got more leverage with casting directors and stuff, will give him more opportunity to expand as an actor. Just wanna clarify that I wasn't disappointed that he moved per se, just that it confirms the fact that "outside roles" had been quite difficult to come by despite his enormous success in The Big Bang Theory.

 

It had always seemed that Jim is a pretty realistic person - he mentioned in one interview that he was completely alright with being typecasted and that really made me appreciate him more. There is a lot of ego going on in the performing arts and while self-doubt is quite rampant (all the depression, alcohol and drug dependency, etc), people in that field have a tendency to magnify themselves especially in the midst of success. Lots of former big stars have talked about this thinking success gave them a ticket to be more "choosy". I'm sure there were always the Brads, Leos and Toms who were choosy but achieved success anyway, but one has to admit it is their physically commercial audience-friendly looks that brought their fame and glory, with their acting chops as a bonus. On the other hand, Jim is perfectly comfortable being typecasted because he knew it would lead to work. I'm sure he wants to do roles further from people's image of him, but he also knew what would keep the stability.

 

Personally, I think we'll see him in a lot of "awkward man" roles in commercial film and TV beyond The Big Bang Theory. I am sure most of his offers revolve around those kind of characters as well. But I always felt he could make a very sinister villain. You know those antagonists with a gentle face but disturbing thoughts? I'd love it if he explores that area. Someone I know quipped how Jim's performance reminded him of Rowan Atkinson's (Mr. Bean) comedy. Quite physical with those facial nuances. But then, I think a lot about Jim is how disarmingly brilliant he throws his dialogues. That's just me though.

 

 

I agree with everything you said, but especially with the bold part. A sinister type person is a character that is far different from Sheldon, and from the silly type of roles we've seen him do in other small things. And yet, I think he would be brilliant. I can see him playing a weirdo serial killer that seems perfectly nice albeit weird and introverted on the outside and yet behind closed doors he's a monster. One of those serial killers that are smart and clean about about they are doing. Someone who is bat-shit crazy but in a quiet way. It sounds so insulting, and I'm sorry. :p But I think he would play creepy so well. It really makes me wonder what kind of role he has in Visions.

 

I think Tommy is another character that allows him to stretch as an actor. That character is considered the comic relief, but he's a very serious character, as well. Not many actors who play sitcom stars can do serious roles. Jennifer Aniston from Friends comes to mine. She's a wonderful actress, and is hugely successful, but how many serious roles has she done? It's not just Jim. It's most people from TV. But I think his role in TNH will open some people's eyes to what he is capable of. I'm hoping.

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I agree with everything you said, but especially with the bold part. A sinister type person is a character that is far different from Sheldon, and from the silly type of roles we've seen him do in other small things. And yet, I think he would be brilliant. I can see him playing a weirdo serial killer that seems perfectly nice albeit weird and introverted on the outside and yet behind closed doors he's a monster. One of those serial killers that are smart and clean about about they are doing. Someone who is bat-shit crazy but in a quiet way. It sounds so insulting, and I'm sorry. :p But I think he would play creepy so well. It really makes me wonder what kind of role he has in Visions.

 

I think Tommy is another character that allows him to stretch as an actor. That character is considered the comic relief, but he's a very serious character, as well. Not many actors who play sitcom stars can do serious roles. Jennifer Aniston from Friends comes to mine. She's a wonderful actress, and is hugely successful, but how many serious roles has she done? It's not just Jim. It's most people from TV. But I think his role in TNH will open some people's eyes to what he is capable of. I'm hoping.

 

Agree and the more he does different projects they more they will show he has range and can do more.   Honestly, even in Sheldon he shows a lot of range, whether people understand it or not.  But he can make you feel a lot of various emotions just with the one character.   Imagine now taking that talent into broader projects. I think he has potential for lots of great things.  I think after the kiss, he proved he can also be considered for romantic roles as well.   His character is not written to be terribly romantic on TBBT, but yet he knocked our socks off with that kiss.  So he clearly has it in him to carry a romantic lead role, as well as creepy sinister killer role, comedic role and possibly even dramatic role.  :good:  I don't see him as an action kind of guy though. :laugh:

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Agree and the more he does different projects they more they will show he has range and can do more.   Honestly, even in Sheldon he shows a lot of range, whether people understand it or not.  But he can make you feel a lot of various emotions just with the one character.   Imagine now taking that talent into broader projects. I think he has potential for lots of great things.  I think after the kiss, he proved he can also be considered for romantic roles as well.   His character is not written to be terribly romantic on TBBT, but yet he knocked our socks off with that kiss.  So he clearly has it in him to carry a romantic lead role, as well as creepy sinister killer role, comedic role and possibly even dramatic role.  :good:  I don't see him as an action kind of guy though. :laugh:

I totally agree.  Do not forget he is a classically trained actor.  He has been in numerous plays that have not been seem by us.  I am sure there are roles for him on many levels and categories after Sheldon.  

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I wouldn't read too much into his song on SNL. And I wouldn't be surprised if he had some input, at least on the song.

There's nothing wrong with poking fun at one's self in a situation like this, especially with such a famous role. And while I don't think that anyone would really think he was a genius physicist like Sheldon, we all know that he and the others are ALWAYS asked if they are like their characters, if they are sci-fi fans or Star Trek fans, etc.. And I'm sure Chuck and Bill were laughing right along with the rest of us.

And because Sheldon is such an iconic role--like the ones they mentioned in the song--it makes perfect sense to joke about it. Really, it wasn't any kind of deep, artistic statement.

As for Jim and other roles, I don't think he's trying to "prepare" for post-Sheldon life. I don't think he has to. I think he's done the roles he's done during his breaks simply because they are interesting projects, and the timing is right and because he's an actor who wants to act.

I think he said it best some time ago, in response to the typecasting question that all he can do is to keep talking to people, keep trying other roles, etc., and as David Duchovny once said, talent will out. If Jim has the chops to do a variety of other kinds of roles, which we know he does, then those things will happen.

If he has to read for a part, which he probably wouldn't have to do at this point in his career, it would just be an opportunity to show that "he's not that guy."

And I think Jim has always been humble and thankful for his job on Big Bang and seems to have a great reputation among everyone he has worked with. That kind of thing goes a long way.

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What annoys me about many of the comments is how uneducated people can be about the person they are bashing,  Comments like he has been typecast and will not have a future or that he is "one-note" just go to prove that they don't know anything about his background, so to cheer myself up a threw together a quick JP resume:
 
BA in Theatre, University of Houston/MFA in Theatre, University of San Diego (Old Globe)
30 theatre appearances (notably: 2 on Broadway, 1 Off-Broadway, 1 Old Globe, San Diego)
14 TV roles
18 film roles
62 appearances as himself (talk shows, award shows, charity events)
2317 article mentions or profiles
26 awards nominations with 6 wins (on film)
2 awards for theatre (Theatre World Award - Best Debut on Broadway for his role in The Normal Heart and Drama Desk Award (as part of the ensemble) for The Normal Heart)
 
Yeah, this "one trick pony" has no future. :)

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What annoys me about many of the comments is how uneducated people can be about the person they are bashing,  Comments like he has been typecast and will not have a future or that he is "one-note" just go to prove that they don't know anything about his background, so to cheer myself up a threw together a quick JP resume:

 

BA in Theatre, University of Houston/MFA in Theatre, University of San Diego (Old Globe)

30 theatre appearances (notably: 2 on Broadway, 1 Off-Broadway, 1 Old Globe, San Diego)

14 TV roles

18 film roles

62 appearances as himself (talk shows, award shows, charity events)

2317 article mentions or profiles

26 awards nominations with 6 wins (on film)

2 awards for theatre (Theatre World Award - Best Debut on Broadway for his role in The Normal Heart and Drama Desk Award (as part of the ensemble) for The Normal Heart)

 

Yeah, this "one trick pony" has no future. :)

I just realized that for a big TV star his age, given with you had written, his resume wasn't as vast as I expected it to be. Lots of stars go through a whole lot before getting "that" role. He must have struggled a lot with unemployment when he was an actor. It is to be noted he only scored his Broadway outings post-Sheldon, so prior to that, he has not had a chance to perform on The Great White Way despite his tremendous experience in Houston. But the struggle did him good because it pushed him to the performer we now see. I doubt he would face any struggles anytime soon especially with Big Bang still airing. I think the cast and crew really treat each other like family and Jim, being the biggest break out star seems to have his feet firmly in the ground so I really can't find any reason for it to stop UNLESS the writers screw up bigtime and the ratings go down, which is pretty impossible. I don't think talking about post-TBBT is fitting at this stage, but I have to be honest and say Jim does need to equip himself unless all he intends to do is attend conventions or shows commemorating the Sheldon role. It has happened to many nice and talented actors before so it would also be hard to say he is spared - lot of things happen also with luck so it is really, really hard to assume what will happen in the future.

Anyway, an interesting tidbit. I was watching Jim's Canadian interview and I notice he is very prone to Freudian slips during intervews so he tends to correct himself or cllarify his words a lot. He made a quip about someone betraying hs trust - then he suddenly shut up. Haha. I have observed he is quite pessimistic, it kinda showed in his Electromagnetism interview with Mayim too. From thinking stuff would look bad on him (before even trying!) or "how you never know" with marriages nowadays or him saying in another interview that he "will somehow find a job" after TBBT. Sure, it is in jest but all jokes are subconsciously half-meant. I really hope he feels better about himself because he really is an amazing actor.

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I just realized that for a big TV star his age, given with you had written, his resume wasn't as vast as I expected it to be. Lots of stars go through a whole lot before getting "that" role. He must have struggled a lot with unemployment when he was an actor. It is to be noted he only scored his Broadway outings post-Sheldon, so prior to that, he has not had a chance to perform on The Great White Way despite his tremendous experience in Houston. But the struggle did him good because it pushed him to the performer we now see. I doubt he would face any struggles anytime soon especially with Big Bang still airing. I think the cast and crew really treat each other like family and Jim, being the biggest break out star seems to have his feet firmly in the ground so I really can't find any reason for it to stop UNLESS the writers screw up bigtime and the ratings go down, which is pretty impossible. I don't think talking about post-TBBT is fitting at this stage, but I have to be honest and say Jim does need to equip himself unless all he intends to do is attend conventions or shows commemorating the Sheldon role. It has happened to many nice and talented actors before so it would also be hard to say he is spared - lot of things happen also with luck so it is really, really hard to assume what will happen in the future.

Anyway, an interesting tidbit. I was watching Jim's Canadian interview and I notice he is very prone to Freudian slips during intervews so he tends to correct himself or cllarify his words a lot. He made a quip about someone betraying hs trust - then he suddenly shut up. Haha. I have observed he is quite pessimistic, it kinda showed in his Electromagnetism interview with Mayim too. From thinking stuff would look bad on him (before even trying!) or "how you never know" with marriages nowadays or him saying in another interview that he "will somehow find a job" after TBBT. Sure, it is in jest but all jokes are subconsciously half-meant. I really hope he feels better about himself because he really is an amazing actor.

Apart from Johnny Galecki, who had been on TV in Roseanne, and Kaley's role on 8 Simple Rules, the cast was relatively unknown when the show started. I think that they were in the right place at the right time with the right skills. I think that despite Jim's relatively short resume before Big Bang, he had the skills and the right take on the character to create this iconic role.

And, of course, the writing was there.

But I don't think it's a matter of a long list of roles and experience as much as it's a matter of all the pieces of the puzzle falling together in just the right way. Plus he does have a lot of experience in the theater work he did before he ended up in Hollywood.

Also, I don't think he's pessimistic, about himself or about life in general. I think he's generally a happy, well-adjusted person. He's simply humble and self-deprecating and funny.

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My point was that Jim had a deep background prior to TBBT and has built on it since.  Thousands of young people participate in theatre in both college and regional theatre and don't rise to this level.  The graduate program at USD is very selective, they choose 7-8 students every 18 months for a full scholarship ride in a classical theatre program. Jim got in.  
 
Jim said that he did a fair number of auditions, but it was when his agents gave him the script for the original pilot, he knew that it was a special role.  One of my favorite videos, Chuck Lorre on casting Jim:

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My point was that Jim had a deep background prior to TBBT and has built on it since.  Thousands of young people participate in theatre in both college and regional theatre and don't rise to this level.  The graduate program at USD is very selective, they choose 7-8 students every 18 months for a full scholarship ride in a classical theatre program. Jim got in.  

 

Jim said that he did a fair number of auditions, but it was when his agents gave him the script for the original pilot, he knew that it was a special role.  One of my favorite videos, Chuck Lorre on casting Jim:

And this is why the boy wins Emmys. :)

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Also, I don't think he's pessimistic, about himself or about life in general. I think he's generally a happy, well-adjusted person. He's simply humble and self-deprecating and funny.

 

Self-depreciating - that's the correct term. I choose my words poorly, sorry (English is a third language for me). Let me correct myself and say that I find him quite self-depreciating in things he says.

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My point was that Jim had a deep background prior to TBBT and has built on it since.  Thousands of young people participate in theatre in both college and regional theatre and don't rise to this level.  The graduate program at USD is very selective, they choose 7-8 students every 18 months for a full scholarship ride in a classical theatre program. Jim got in.  

 

Which also brings us to luck. A lot of actors don't even get the benefit of finding an agent who has connections to casting directors who hold auditions for a Chuck Lorre production. Pilot season is competitive, only around 1 out of 20 pilots get picked up by networks and who knows how long that will even air? Especially in Hollywood where everyone is either good looking, talented, trained, well-connected or whatever permutations of all those. There are 105,000 SAG actors - not counting those who aren't part of union which is complicated because you need to have an SAG project to become eligible to be a member - wherein only the Top 3% earn US$100,000 a year. Before people actually make it big, they've usually done a LOT of failed auditions or if they do score a pilot, it does not get picked up by the network or if it does get picked up, it's a fluke in ratings. A lot of already big Broadway stars, some even armed with their Tonies and Drama Desks, also try to break to Hollywood - to no success. In a way, Jim beat the odds out there, but don't all Hollywood success stories do?

 

I think what set him apart really is his unique acting style. It's full of method and technique gained from his education but there's also a lot of heart as well. Even when he is different from his characters, you can feel that as an actor he does not only try to understand the character - he empathizes with them with genuine sincerity. It is that sincerity  that becomes the ultimate charm which really draws people to his performances, I believe. He can play the most annoying character ever and people will still be drawn somehow which makes me believe that a sinister villain role will definitely be a good prospect in the future. :)

 

Sorry for the long-ish stuff about the acting stuff. It's something I highly sympathize with, which is why I was drawn to The Big Bang Theory. I sure hope they explore the challenges of Penny's acting career in the show. It's a highly competitive field - if you don't score a gig, your agent can drop you like a hot potato which leads you to find another one IF you could.

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I just dowloaded The Big Year!

Anyone knows if its any good?

Dunno if I should watch the whole movie or just fast forward to Jim's apparence :p

 

Jim has a very small part but looks yummy in it.  It is a rather amusing movie actually.   Not the best movie, but certainly entertaining.  I enjoyed it.

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It's an ok movie. I watched it just for Jim.

Jim has a few short scenes. It's during his skinny stage.

If you can find Gardner of Eden. That has a lot of Jim. Just warning a lot of drug, sex references.

I found it like 2 yrs ago on a download website.

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I just dowloaded The Big Year!

Anyone knows if its any good?

Dunno if I should watch the whole movie or just fast forward to Jim's apparence :p

 

I enjoyed it--I rented it when it first hit Red Box because I had meant to see it in the theater when it was first released but never got a chance.  I don't know if I even really knew who Jim was at the time, or maybe I was just figuring it out, but I didn't rent it because of him.

 

I enjoyed it for its own sake--it's cute and sweet and funny--and Jim is just a little bit of extra fun to see.  Like someone giving you a jellybean out of the blue. :p

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Thanks for your responses guys!

I'm gonna give the whole movie a shot!

I Have seen some pictures of Jim from it and he looks really cute!

If you can find Gardner of Eden. That has a lot of Jim. Just warning a lot of drug, sex references.

I found it like 2 yrs ago on a download website.

Yes, that one I've seen twice! It's ok.. but I wish Jim didn't play the "geekiest" of the guys..I would have loved to see him a little more bad guy once he was in one of those movies! Edited by Jaime
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Which also brings us to luck. A lot of actors don't even get the benefit of finding an agent who has connections to casting directors who hold auditions for a Chuck Lorre production. Pilot season is competitive, only around 1 out of 20 pilots get picked up by networks and who knows how long that will even air? Especially in Hollywood where everyone is either good looking, talented, trained, well-connected or whatever permutations of all those. There are 105,000 SAG actors - not counting those who aren't part of union which is complicated because you need to have an SAG project to become eligible to be a member - wherein only the Top 3% earn US$100,000 a year. Before people actually make it big, they've usually done a LOT of failed auditions or if they do score a pilot, it does not get picked up by the network or if it does get picked up, it's a fluke in ratings. A lot of already big Broadway stars, some even armed with their Tonies and Drama Desks, also try to break to Hollywood - to no success. In a way, Jim beat the odds out there, but don't all Hollywood success stories do?

 

I think what set him apart really is his unique acting style. It's full of method and technique gained from his education but there's also a lot of heart as well. Even when he is different from his characters, you can feel that as an actor he does not only try to understand the character - he empathizes with them with genuine sincerity. It is that sincerity  that becomes the ultimate charm which really draws people to his performances, I believe. He can play the most annoying character ever and people will still be drawn somehow which makes me believe that a sinister villain role will definitely be a good prospect in the future. :)

 

Sorry for the long-ish stuff about the acting stuff. It's something I highly sympathize with, which is why I was drawn to The Big Bang Theory. I sure hope they explore the challenges of Penny's acting career in the show. It's a highly competitive field - if you don't score a gig, your agent can drop you like a hot potato which leads you to find another one IF you could.

Your posts are very interesting Wanmeii and got me thinking about the codependent relationship between actors and their agents.

It's very true that you get differing levels of agencies as you mention, but I've always wondered, are the agents successful because they have the knack for picking out the talented or are the actors successful because of the gravitas of the agent? Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

It's certainly true that an agency's name, or prestigious school will catch the eye of a casting director, and the roles the actor was cast in at drama school will pique the interest of the agent in the first instance; also true that the drama school auditions are the first filter to begin with.

However, what of those who didn't attend drama school, what are the criteria for selection there?

Agents don't like a 'clash' in talent, so each individual from the group will represent one person of a certain type so their clients don't compete against one another for a role. So, if you happen to be in their radar when they've got a gap that you're a good fit for, then your luck's in. Which would suggest the whole thing is down to serendipity and pure dumb luck before talent, but that simply can't be true, not really?

It does boggle the brain somewhat. :)

On a separate subject, I suspect that what we have with Jim and the role of Sheldon is a special kind of alchemy. Would Sheldon have been such a breakthrough character if someone else had stepped into his skin? Who knows? I doubt it though.

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Your posts are very interesting Wanmeii and got me thinking about the codependent relationship between actors and their agents.

It's very true that you get differing levels of agencies as you mention, but I've always wondered, are the agents successful because they have the knack for picking out the talented or are the actors successful because of the gravitas of the agent? Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

It's certainly true that an agency's name, or prestigious school will catch the eye of a casting director, and the roles the actor was cast in at drama school will pique the interest of the agent in the first instance; also true that the drama school auditions are the first filter to begin with.

However, what of those who didn't attend drama school, what are the criteria for selection there?

Agents don't like a 'clash' in talent, so each individual from the group will represent one person of a certain type so their clients don't compete against one another for a role. So, if you happen to be in their radar when they've got a gap that you're a good fit for, then your luck's in. Which would suggest the whole thing is down to serendipity and pure dumb luck before talent, but that simply can't be true, not really?

It does boggle the brain somewhat. :)

On a separate subject, I suspect that what we have with Jim and the role of Sheldon is a special kind of alchemy. Would Sheldon have been such a breakthrough character if someone else had stepped into his skin? Who knows? I doubt it though.

 

 

We used to go round and round that question when the X-Files was on the air--would it have been the same hit, had the same impact if someone else had been cast as Mulder or as Scully?

It's an impossible question to answer, of course, because you can never really imagine what another actor would have done, if the same stories would have been written, given the strengths or weaknesses of a particular actor, etc.

 

I think that when a show or a character really hits, it is indeed a special kind of alchemy--the right actor in the right role in the right show somehow rings all the right bells and becomes something impossible to duplicate, impossible to imagine otherwise.

 

I think it's also important to remember that these are not just "funny people", like stand-up comedians or something, saying funny words and then mugging for the camera, but these are real actors, who put effort into their characters, who take their work seriously and who do their best.

 

I'm always happily surprised to hear how much Jim understands who Sheldon is, to hear the insight he has into the character and the thought he puts into how Sheldon would say or do certain things.

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Jim mentioned once that he was lucky to find agents who knew his "voice" and how excited they were to have him read for the role of Sheldon.
 
Another of my favorite videos from Paley Fest 2009 (I posted it once a while back, but it applies here) Jim's take on getting TBBT script, told in his own "special" way  Keep an eye on Johnny and Chuck.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URGbyhgfUPY

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