Are They Going To Have Sheldon Choose Amy Over Scientific Accomplishments?

[The God Particle]

*Thoughtful* They are focusing a bit too much on the relationships I concede. But we have yet to see the entirety of Series 6. When it ends, then I'll have my say about the direction of the show and whether or not it has fundamentally changed.

[Nogravitasatall]

*Thoughtful* They are focusing a bit too much on the relationships I concede. But we have yet to see the entirety of Series 6. When it ends, then I'll have my say about the direction of the show and whether or not it has fundamentally changed.

Why concede anything? Too much or one, too little for someone else. No absolute defined value for relationship content in TBBT. No natural law or human statute defines this. I agree an assessment could be made of differences over time.

I would also posit that the OP establishes a false dichotomy for sake of argument. They can and may choose both outcomes or either.

Or Sheldon gets a van and starts a dog washing service. But who will watch that? Unless he wears a singlet - then they're golden.

[The God Particle]

Perhaps I chose my earlier words indelicately. But my main point still stands that as of late there have been a great many episodes about the various relationships. However that does not indicate that the show has morphed into a Romantic Comedy.

[Ar Diem]

I see you guys have been busy.

 

Did they specifically say that his relationship with Amy was the reason for his decline at work?  No.  They also did not say it was a non-factor.  In real life relationships are distracting at times.  Why is it ok to say that they were going for realism when they had him have a setback but not have his relationship as a reason as well?

 

Some weeks this show is a traditional rom-com some weeks it is not.  It is usually one extreme or the other.  There are times the relationships seem starved for attention and times where that is all we get. This last episode was strictly a romantic comedy.

 

If the mainstream audience represented me then Sheldon would not have a girlfriend.  It is absurd to think they represent any of the really smart people here who place a high value on intelligence and scientific achievements.

 

Just like the writers have never given Sheldon a specific syndrome nor have they ever labeled him as asexual I think they left the door open for him to sacrifice scientific achievements for love.  Either that or it was a sloppily written episode because they could have removed all doubt really easily.  Sheldon is a firm believer in sublimation so I believe he has already made his choice.

 

My end view of the show has already been compromised.  I don't have any hope of it going where I might have wanted it to go.  I hang on hoping it doesn't get too bad.  I don't look at it like a Shenny or a geek Shamy and interpret the show in a way that fits my agenda.  This latest show opened the door for my worst fears about this show... Sheldon becoming another Leonard.

 

You can argue against it all you want but because there are those of us seeing it this way means that there is a chance we are right.  We watched the same episode.  In a very literal since you all have a point.  Unfortuately this is art.

[MJistheBOMB]

 

If the mainstream audience represented me then Sheldon would not have a girlfriend.  It is absurd to think they represent any of the really smart people here who place a high value on intelligence and scientific achievements.

Wow. Really? I haven't read a single word of this thread until today and I'm greeted by this? You're digusting.

[phantagrae]

I see you guys have been busy.

 

Did they specifically say that his relationship with Amy was the reason for his decline at work?  No.  They also did not say it was a non-factor.  In real life relationships are distracting at times.  Why is it ok to say that they were going for realism when they had him have a setback but not have his relationship as a reason as well?

 

Some weeks this show is a traditional rom-com some weeks it is not.  It is usually one extreme or the other.  There are times the relationships seem starved for attention and times where that is all we get. This last episode was strictly a romantic comedy.

 

If the mainstream audience represented me then Sheldon would not have a girlfriend.  It is absurd to think they represent any of the really smart people here who place a high value on intelligence and scientific achievements.

 

Just like the writers have never given Sheldon a specific syndrome nor have they ever labeled him as asexual I think they left the door open for him to sacrifice scientific achievements for love.  Either that or it was a sloppily written episode because they could have removed all doubt really easily.  Sheldon is a firm believer in sublimation so I believe he has already made his choice.

 

My end view of the show has already been compromised.  I don't have any hope of it going where I might have wanted it to go.  I hang on hoping it doesn't get too bad.  I don't look at it like a Shenny or a geek Shamy and interpret the show in a way that fits my agenda.  This latest show opened the door for my worst fears about this show... Sheldon becoming another Leonard.

 

You can argue against it all you want but because there are those of us seeing it this way means that there is a chance we are right.  We watched the same episode.  In a very literal since you all have a point.  Unfortuately this is art.

 

I think you're the only one really hung up on this idea of Sheldon having to choose science over Amy or Amy over science.  I don't thnk that was the writers' intent.  They may play with the idea of sexual distraction when the time comes for Sheldon to finally cross that line, but I believe that in the end Sheldon will always be a brilliant scientist, whether or not he's doing any mushing or jostling or squishing.

 

Just because you'd rather not have Sheldon grow outside of your preconceived box doesn't mean that it represents any kind of significant segment of the audience--or that it ever has.  There are a handful of people on these boards who talk about such things, but even if you try to extrapolate your small number to represent some segment of the non-posting viewing audience, it's is always going to be a small percentage, and probably was never representative of the wider BBT audience, even from the beginning.

 

You denigrate the "geek Shamy" fans and the "mainstream" audience because, even though you won't come out and say it, you seem to consider your view of who Sheldon ought to be and what the show ought to be as somehow superior to who he is, what the show is as it has been written.

I still don't get how you think that Sheldon is somehow "another Leonard", whatever that means.  Just because you interpreted the episode to mean that Sheldon is now dumber than Kripke (and they never said that) doesn't mean that it's true.

 

Fortunately, I believe the writers know much more about TV-writing than you do.

[Ar Diem]

Wow. Really? I haven't read a single word of this thread until today and I'm greeted by this? You're digusting.

 

 

Wow.  Really?  You get insulted when it was not intended?  You're irritating. 

 

I guess it would also be disgusting to suggest that because America has an obesity problem that the mainstream American audience also has an obesity problem, right?  When you get to a number like 20 million you have a large enough sampling to apply what is true of the country is true of the audience.  I am sorry if the facts annoy you but they don't change.  The harsh reality is that around 70 percent of the nation does not have a bachelor's degree.

 

Until I got to college most of the people I went to school with hated it.  They struggled to learn or retain knowledge.  They were there to get through it because it was mandatory.  Do you think they all care if Sheldon is less brilliant when even someone at Leonard's level is far and away more academically smarter than they are?

[Ar Diem]

I think you're the only one really hung up on this idea of Sheldon having to choose science over Amy or Amy over science.  I don't thnk that was the writers' intent.  They may play with the idea of sexual distraction when the time comes for Sheldon to finally cross that line, but I believe that in the end Sheldon will always be a brilliant scientist, whether or not he's doing any mushing or jostling or squishing.

 

Just because you'd rather not have Sheldon grow outside of your preconceived box doesn't mean that it represents any kind of significant segment of the audience--or that it ever has.  There are a handful of people on these boards who talk about such things, but even if you try to extrapolate your small number to represent some segment of the non-posting viewing audience, it's is always going to be a small percentage, and probably was never representative of the wider BBT audience, even from the beginning.

 

You denigrate the "geek Shamy" fans and the "mainstream" audience because, even though you won't come out and say it, you seem to consider your view of who Sheldon ought to be and what the show ought to be as somehow superior to who he is, what the show is as it has been written.

I still don't get how you think that Sheldon is somehow "another Leonard", whatever that means.  Just because you interpreted the episode to mean that Sheldon is now dumber than Kripke (and they never said that) doesn't mean that it's true.

 

Fortunately, I believe the writers know much more about TV-writing than you do.

 

Actually you guys are denigrating the mainstream audience more than me by interpreting my posts this way.  Why is it you are uncomfortable liking what the mainstream audience likes?  You don't think there are some really brilliant people watching Real Housewives and other shows I think are pure garbage?

 

Trying to label me a certain way doesn't devalue my opinions just like being a Shamy doesn't devalue yours.  The only difference between us is that you like the way the show is going and I no longer do.   I have seen some of you guys come up with some intelligent and creative posts to show this or that about Sheldon as it pertains to his sexuality and Amy.  I see it as the show wanted him to have a girlfriend so he has one.  You see it as a cute innocent romance.  I see it as a stall device so they can transition his character and prolong the romance hitting the bedroom.

 

It looks like this board has around 30-40 active posters right now.  It would be impossible to tell if any of our viewpoints are shared by a significant portion of the audience or not.  I am pretty comfortable saying that I am sure I am in a small minority but I have no way of verifying it.

 

I don't know how you get past the part where Sheldon calls Kripke smarter or that he accepts encouragement from Kripke but at best they are equals now.  The fact that Sheldon is accepting that fact is a large deviation from his character.  As it was pointed out when he ran into Kim he gave up and tried to find a new field of study.

 

But perhaps the show is not trying to make Kripke smarter.  Perhaps they are just allowing him to achieve more because he doesn't have the distraction of a girlfriend. 

[Pomita]

Why is it ok to say that they were going for realism when they had him have a setback but not have his relationship as a reason as well?

 

Because he's had setbacks before he was in a relationship, and because he clearly doesn't think that his relationship is a reason. Or any more of a reason than the other 101 things he does outside of work.

 

 If the mainstream audience represented me then Sheldon would not have a girlfriend.  It is absurd to think they represent any of the really smart people here who place a high value on intelligence and scientific achievements.

 

Or, you know, any of the really smart people here who place a high value on intelligence and scientific achievements, and happen to be in happy relationships themselves which help and complement their work, so they know that's probably what's going to happen to Sheldon as well?

[phantagrae]

Actually you guys are denigrating the mainstream audience more than me by interpreting my posts this way.  Why is it you are uncomfortable liking what the mainstream audience likes?  You don't think there are some really brilliant people watching Real Housewives and other shows I think are pure garbage?

 

Trying to label me a certain way doesn't devalue my opinions just like being a Shamy doesn't devalue yours.  The only difference between us is that you like the way the show is going and I no longer do.   I have seen some of you guys come up with some intelligent and creative posts to show this or that about Sheldon as it pertains to his sexuality and Amy.  I see it as the show wanted him to have a girlfriend so he has one.  You see it as a cute innocent romance.  I see it as a stall device so they can transition his character and prolong the romance hitting the bedroom.

 

It looks like this board has around 30-40 active posters right now.  It would be impossible to tell if any of our viewpoints are shared by a significant portion of the audience or not.  I am pretty comfortable saying that I am sure I am in a small minority but I have no way of verifying it.

 

I don't know how you get past the part where Sheldon calls Kripke smarter or that he accepts encouragement from Kripke but at best they are equals now.  The fact that Sheldon is accepting that fact is a large deviation from his character.  As it was pointed out when he ran into Kim he gave up and tried to find a new field of study.

 

But perhaps the show is not trying to make Kripke smarter.  Perhaps they are just allowing him to achieve more because he doesn't have the distraction of a girlfriend. 

 

It's not that I dislike being called part of the mainstream audience.  I probably am part of the mainstream audience.  It's that you use "mainstream audience" as a perjorative because you apparently consider yourself and your tastes above those of the mainstream audience.  Every time you use that term you use it in a way that implies that the mainstream audience is the great unwashed, hapless fools who just swallow everything the show dishes out while you are somehow above it all, assuming that you have better taste than those you put in the "mainstream" column, since you disdain everything you feel the show has become--that it was better or could be better if only they would write it the way you want it.

 

It's like not only can you not comprehend what's actually being written--and, perhaps, more importantly, NOT being written--on the show, but you can't even comprehend what it is you're saying or how you're ending up insulting everyone else.

 

And, no, I don't think there are very many intelligent people watching Real Housewives.

The mainstream audience for TV in general is NOT necessarily the mainstream audience for TBBT.

And when you make your comments about the "mainstream audience", I don't think you're really thinking about people who watch TV in general, but people who watch and like TBBT specifically.  Because what difference does it make if some people like other shows?  We're talking about TBBT, not TV in general or people who watch Honey Booboo or whatthehellever else.

 

The problem with your interpretation of what's happening on the show is that you're extrapolating from your imagination, not from what's actually being written and shown onscreen.  You assume that they're turning Sheldon into some version of Leonard, you assume that the episode was intended to show that Sheldon is now suddenly dumber than Kripke when the episode did not show that at all.

It strikes me as either some outright comprehension problem, or that you see it that way because you are predisposed to see it that way because you're looking for a negative interpretation.

 

Just because Sheldon panics and fears that he's no longer the smartest physicist at the school doesn't mean that it's true.  Just like when he says that he's not smarter than Leonard because Leonard figured out that he'd stuck the thermometer in his tea.  Is it true that Sheldon had some kind of overnight lobotomy and is now dumber than Leonard simply because Leonard figured out Sheldon's attempt to appear sick?

Of course not.  Leonard's voice of reason is intended to be the truth about Sheldon's momentary setback.  Sheldon's overweening pride in his own superiority was bruised and he had to admit that in this one project he hadn't figured it all out by himself.  He's not being "instructed" by Kripke, or even encouraged, I would say.  That Kripke admits that Sheldon does indeed have some brilliant insights in his work, Kripke sees it as simply a matter of focus, not stupidity.  And while Kripke's work may have been ahead of Sheldon's on this particular project, it's not a comment on the quality of Sheldon's overall work or his approach to String Theory as a whole.

It's simply one project.

 

We're not really given a reason as to why Kripke was ahead of Sheldon in this one instance, but in the end, Sheldon is clearly the one who has regained his focus and is working out the issues.  And since nothing has changed in his relationship with Amy, why is he suddenly able to focus?  Because it never was about Amy.  It was simply, as Leonard put it, getting stuck on a wrong path, or whatever.  Once he got past his initial fear that Kripke was somehow smarter than him, Sheldon was obviously able to get back to work and make progress.

While Kripke apparently did better initial work on the project, we don't know anythnig about why--maybe it's more in his field of specialization, maybe he didn't have any other work to concentrate on, maybe he doesn't go to the comic book store every Wednesday night or play paintball on the weekends.  I don't think the intention is to make him out to be smarter or more focused or more successful than Sheldon.

 

I think that the only reason you've clung to this interpretation is that, as you have said, you don't like the relationship developments, therefore you interpret everything in that light--therefore sex or a relationship with Amy must be the reason for this storyline, therefore Sheldon must be being dumbed down, therefore Sheldon will become another Leonard (I still don't understand what you mean by that) and so forth and so on.

 

I didn't come into this show for any relationships, but Leonard and Penny was already going on (from the Pilot) and everything else has been a development along the arc originally begun in the pilot.  I think that it's all character study that fuels the comedy, whether it's Leonard trying to figure out how to have a relationship with Penny, or Howard trying too hard to pick up women only to find that he never really had to be anyone other than himself, or Sheldon being his brilliant and quirky self, whether it's in how he plays games, how he does his work, or how he begins to understand what it is to care about someone other than himself--including his friends, Penny, and Amy.

 

It never works to try to put a character or a show in some kind of tiny box that doesn't allow for growth.

[Pomita]

 I think that it's all character study that fuels the comedy, whether it's Leonard trying to figure out how to have a relationship with Penny, or Howard trying too hard to pick up women only to find that he never really had to be anyone other than himself, or Sheldon being his brilliant and quirky self, whether it's in how he plays games, how he does his work, or how he begins to understand what it is to care about someone other than himself--including his friends, Penny, and Amy.

 

This is beautifully put. Though I guess this isn't the right thread to compliment you in, but I couldn't help myself.

 

Honestly I don't see any break in the logical progression of the characters, right from when we first saw them back in 2003. There was a reason why Sheldon was shown as so much more insulated and socially awkward back then, than even in 2010 (season 3).

[Ar Diem]

@Pomita

 

I can't believe you are still trying to compare a relationship with reading a comic book.  Realistically he would still be in a very scary place in his relationship with Amy.  We know that parts of the relationship confuse him.  He is still trying to learn how to be a proper boyfriend.  I still remember how scared I was when I told my wife I loved her for the first time.

 

Realistically there are a lot of stages he has to go through before she is complimentary and he would still have those days they got into a tiff before work that casts a shadow over his entire day.

 

Relationships in their early days are messy, scary, exhausting, and mentally consuming.  I can only imagine how hard it must be to have phobias that he feels he has to overcome to be a proper boyfriend. 

 

I would never in a million years call time spent with my wife equal to playing a video game or something.  Not even close.  Even now I feel the excitement of knowing I will see her soon.

Edited February 7, 2013 by Ar Diem

[Moonbase]

Honestly I don't see any break in the logical progression of the characters, right from when we first saw them back in 2003. There was a reason why Sheldon was shown as so much more insulated and socially awkward back then, than even in 2010 (season 3).

 

I'm sure you meant 2007... or are there 4 years of episodes I have yet to see. Chance would be a fine thing.

[Razberrypie]

Ar Diem, you make some valid points. The way I see it though, Sheldon is not changing, he is realizing what he is capable of ( For example, Sheldon cares a lot about Amy so wants to see her happy- something I'm sure has never happened to him quite like that before, if romatically touching her will make her happiest then it makes sense that he wants to work on his aversion to touch.) We've had 5 seasons of a character whose head is up in the clouds. He's an incredibly logical person but when it comes to how he views himself, he's only just starting to get in touch with reality. I like the fresh sense of realism that is being brought on by the writers and I feel it is about time for some devlopment in his character to take place. Sheldon was never a homo-novus, and the reason why I as a shipper like this direction is because Sheldon is on the path to accepting his real self (still a genius, just a human one) and it's only then that he will be able to let Amy fully into his heart.

 

This is simply where opinions differ, however, and I can see why for some people, this is fiction after all, it doesn't matter if it's not realistic as long as it's entertaining and that's intrinsically what this show sets out to do. Why fix what isn't broken? But for people such as myself it was starting to get a little rusty and this was like a brand new coat of paint. Some people like change, some people don't but that doesn't mean that their opinions are any less valid.

 

I don't think the risk of Amy taking away from his work is too worrying. The door may have been opened a crack for those who have lost faith in the writers but Sheldon's love for science has always been part of who he is. If they took the show down a serious science sacrifice route then I'd agree that Sheldon would not have grown but actually changed. The writers have always said that they are incredibly protective over him though, so I still have plenty of faith that they know what they're doing. It's not as if he's never had experience with balancing his work life out with plenty of other non-science related things that he loves. So as long as Amy continues to support him and his love for science the way she does, things shouldn't spiral too far out of control.

Edited February 7, 2013 by Razberrypie

[Pomita]

I'm sure you meant 2007... or are there 4 years of episodes I have yet to see. Chance would be a fine thing.

 

No. I meant Staircase Implementation. Remember Sheldon back then?

 

 

Ar Diem - I agree with you (and I was about to go 'aww' at this):

 

 I would never in a million years call time spent with my wife equal to playing a video game or something.  Not even close.  Even now I feel the excitement of knowing I will see her soon.

 

But it's not about the time spent in a relationship or in a hobby being 'equal' in terms of the beauty or excitement involved. The fact is that hobbies can be distracting and time-consuming too, and sometimes obsessive (ask us who spend hours on these forums..) This would be especially true for a person like Sheldon who takes his geeky passions very, very seriously. So yes, I think for him his hobbies could be just as much of a diversion from his work as a relationship can, if he let them.

 

And now I'm confused because, from your lovely and very positive description of the joy and wonder of an early relationship, it's even more mystifying to me why you're so offended and disappointed by Sheldon being in one.

[Moonbase]

No. I meant Staircase Implementation. Remember Sheldon back then?

 

Oh the flashback episode. Funnily enough I didn't think Sheldon seemed that different. He behaved just how I expected him to behave with a stranger.

[Ar Diem]

I am really sick of this mainstream argument.  I have admitted on more than one occasion that I like some very mainstream things I even like some things that the mainstream thought was too stupid to watch.

 

Being a part of the mainstream audience means liking ordinary things.  It is that simple.  I liked Sheldon when he was less ordinary.  I like him less the more like Leonard he becomes.  I feel like when he is being relationship Sheldon he is a watered down version of himself.  I feel like Howard was Leonardized too.  That is my opinion.  No point in fighting it.

 

Being part of the mainstream audience and catering to the mainstream audience are two different things though.  You might like Sheldon more now but if they continue to cater to the mainstream that may not always be true.  It could also be true you will love him more.  If what you crave is what the mainstream craves you are in good hands because you know they are going to want to stay on top for a long as they can.

[Guest I'm not dead Cheryl]

Oh the flashback episode. Funnily enough I didn't think Sheldon seemed that different. He behaved just how I expected him to behave with a stranger.

 

remember the "spot" monologue on that episode. Compare that "spot" monologue to the one on the Pilot. That's the key.

[Pomita]

remember the "spot" monologue on that episode. Compare that "spot" monologue to the one on the Pilot. That's the key.

 

Exactly. I was about to quote them, but it may be more interesting to figure that one out by yourself.

 

Also:

 

 

Any excuse is good enough for re-watching a Jim interview. It's one of my favorites, since he talks about Staircase Implementation (an iconic episode) as well an iconic scene in the finale.

[Ar Diem]

Ar Diem, you make some valid points. The way I see it though, Sheldon is not changing, he is realizing what he is capable of ( For example, Sheldon cares a lot about Amy so wants to see her happy- something I'm sure has never happened to him quite like that before, if romatically touching her will make her happiest then it makes sense that he wants to work on his aversion to touch.) We've had 5 seasons of a character whose head is up in the clouds. He's an incredibly logical person but when it comes to how he views himself, he's only just starting to get in touch with reality. I like the fresh sense of realism that is being brought on by the writers and I feel it is about time for some devlopment in his character to take place. Sheldon was never a homo-novus, and the reason why I as a shipper like this direction is because Sheldon is on the path to accepting his real self (still a genius, just a human one) and it's only then that he will be able to let Amy fully into his heart.

 

This is simply where opinions differ, however, and I can see why for some people, this is fiction after all, it doesn't matter if it's not realistic as long as it's entertaining and that's intrinsically what this show sets out to do. Why fix what isn't broken? But for people such as myself it was starting to get a little rusty and this was like a brand new coat of paint. Some people like change, some people don't but that doesn't mean that their opinions are any less valid.

 

I don't think the risk of Amy taking away from his work is too worrying. The door may have been opened a crack for those who have lost faith in the writers but Sheldon's love for science has always been part of who he is. If they took the show down a serious science sacrifice route then I'd agree that Sheldon would not have grown but actually changed. The writers have always said that they are incredibly protective over him though, so I still have plenty of faith that they know what they're doing. It's not as if he's never had experience with balancing his work life out with plenty of other non-science related things that he loves. So as long as Amy continues to support him and his love for science the way she does, things shouldn't spiral too far out of control.

 

 

I liked this post enough to give it my stamp of approval as well.  I think your second sentence is splitting hairs though.  If he is working towards being what he is capable of he is changing.  I liked him better as homo-nuvos and what you describe is my version of him becoming more like Leonard.

[Moonbase]

Any excuse is good enough for re-watching a Jim interview. It's one of my favorites, since he talks about Staircase Implementation (an iconic episode) as well an iconic scene in the finale.

 

Sorry Jim... it didn't feel that dramatically different to me. Never did the when I first saw it either. He's just Sheldon, except he's not as friendly towards Leonard and they have no furniture. This is exactly how I thought their first meeting might be like.

 

Ar Diem I'll stop hijacking the thread now...

Edited February 7, 2013 by Moonbase

[Pomita]

Sorry Jim... it didn't feel that dramatically different to me. Never did the when I first saw it either. He's just Sheldon, except he's not as friendly towards Leonard and they have no furniture. This is exactly how I thought their first meeting might be like.

 

I actually did sense the difference, even before watching this interview. He was more fidgety when talking to people back then, could hardly meet anyone's eyes, and seemed more rigid and bad-tempered. The subtle difference in the 'spot' dialogue was especially interesting, and clearly had some thought behind it in the writing.

 

The thing is that he wasn't just not as friendly towards Leonard, he just didn't have any friends at all, period. The complete absence of 'the warmth of human companionship' and the presence of it does cause a difference in one's personality and attitude.

[annieogly]

I am really sick of this mainstream argument.  I have admitted on more than one occasion that I like some very mainstream things I even like some things that the mainstream thought was too stupid to watch.

 

Being a part of the mainstream audience means liking ordinary things.  It is that simple.  I liked Sheldon when he was less ordinary.  I like him less the more like Leonard he becomes.  I feel like when he is being relationship Sheldon he is a watered down version of himself.  I feel like Howard was Leonardized too.  That is my opinion.  No point in fighting it.

 

Being part of the mainstream audience and catering to the mainstream audience are two different things though.  You might like Sheldon more now but if they continue to cater to the mainstream that may not always be true.  It could also be true you will love him more.  If what you crave is what the mainstream craves you are in good hands because you know they are going to want to stay on top for a long as they can.

 

this is utterly true. I don't want mainstream Sheldon, being normal. There are plenty of top-flight scientists who have a significant other, a SUV, go to soccer matches with their children & live ordinary mainstream lives. I don't want to watch them; I want the Richard Feynman type, the wonderful eccentric crazy ones.

 Leonard was the one who wanted to fit in  desperately now we've Sheldon and poor Howard, going down the same dull route. That's not what drew me to the show. The irony was in seasons 1-3 that Penny, the normal girl, was drawn into the nerds world - reaffirming their nerd culture. It's not the case now and I don't care for it.

[Nogravitasatall]

Is it pass/ fail?

[Guest I'm not dead Cheryl]

this is utterly true. I don't want mainstream Sheldon, being normal. There are plenty of top-flight scientists who have a significant other, a SUV, go to soccer matches with their children & live ordinary mainstream lives. I don't want to watch them; I want the Richard Feynman type, the wonderful eccentric crazy ones.

 Leonard was the one who wanted to fit in  desperately now we've Sheldon and poor Howard, going down the same dull route. That's not what drew me to the show. The irony was in seasons 1-3 that Penny, the normal girl, was drawn into the nerds world - reaffirming their nerd culture. It's not the case now and I don't care for it.

 

you do know that Richard Feynman was married and had kids... right?

 

also... Seasons 1-3 Penny drawn into the nerds world and reaffirming their nerd culture????? except for the Barbarian Sublimation and maybe one or two Star Trek/Wars reference she always belittled them for them. I'm not making this up, IT WAS ON THE EPISODES!

 

Seriously, as I've said before, there is some serious show/fanfiction confusion here.

Edited February 8, 2013 by Sursonica