Are They Going To Have Sheldon Choose Amy Over Scientific Accomplishments?

[annieogly]

Kindly don't shout;if you disagree with me give concrete examples not CAPS. Remember Penny giving a Sheldon a cheesecake, because she's sorry he lost his WOW 'invisible crap' and turning around so they go back to Todd Zarnecki's to get it back for him? She went paintballing too.

[Razberrypie]

this is utterly true. I don't want mainstream Sheldon, being normal. There are plenty of top-flight scientists who have a significant other, a SUV, go to soccer matches with their children & live ordinary mainstream lives. I don't want to watch them; I want the Richard Feynman type, the wonderful eccentric crazy ones.

 Leonard was the one who wanted to fit in  desperately now we've Sheldon and poor Howard, going down the same dull route. That's not what drew me to the show. The irony was in seasons 1-3 that Penny, the normal girl, was drawn into the nerds world - reaffirming their nerd culture. It's not the case now and I don't care for it.

 

 Actually the writers intended from the pilot that it was all about the nerds being drawn into Penny's world, and that has been the point of the show for a long time - extrodinary people in ordinary circumstances. That is what, for me, gave the show it's magic.

[annieogly]

 Actually the writers intended from the pilot that it was all about the nerds being drawn into Penny's world, and that has been the point of the show for a long time - extrodinary people in ordinary circumstances. That is what, for me, gave the show it's magic.

 

really so going to Cons, the comic book store, dressing in costume, playing WOW, D&D, paintball, pranking etc is normal? It's the girls who are trying to make them normal with the boring in-laws, visiting relatives nonsense. Malls, talking about relationships & feelings are boringly normal. And yes Richard Feynman was married and never dull nor normal! I don't object to Sheldon having sex or a girlfriend just him being normalized.

[Pomita]

really so going to Cons, the comic book store, dressing in costume, playing WOW, D&D, paintball, pranking etc is normal? It's the girls who are trying to make them normal with the boring in-laws, visiting relatives nonsense. Malls, talking about relationships & feelings are boringly normal. And yes Richard Feynman was married and never dull nor normal! I don't object to Sheldon having sex or a girlfriend just him being normalized.

 

The visiting relatives incident happened once, 20 episodes back. The issue with Howard's in-laws happened once, 5 episodes back. In between, they continue to visit the comic book store, play geeky games and deal with science.

 

I'm sure Feynman used to visit his relatives, once in a while.

 

And malls? What malls?

[Nogravitasatall]

They went grocery shopping, to something like Radio shack, something like the Body Shop, talked about the Pottery Barn and maybe a pet store or two. Sheldon did drive through a simulated Glendale Galeria. Also model train shops.

Maybe some of these r in malls.

btw, none of their leisure activites seem that weird. They just have had the freedom and resources to express their inner teenage boy who can't drive, lucky bu••ers. Not a reflection of intellect, more of opportunity.

Costume d&d and trek maybe exclusive or out there a little bit but there is nothing odd about a bloke loving his n-gauge layout IMHO, or kite flying. i have both trains and kites packed away waiting for room and im sure im not odd. Or, as is evident, that smart.

just my view.

Edited February 9, 2013 by Nogravitasatall

[annieogly]

The visiting relatives incident happened once, 20 episodes back. The issue with Howard's in-laws happened once, 5 episodes back. In between, they continue to visit the comic book store, play geeky games and deal with science.

 

I'm sure Feynman used to visit his relatives, once in a while.

 

And malls? What malls?

 

Did you watch the last episode where Amy tries to move in; she calls their models 'children's toys' speaks disparagingly of science-fiction,  then goes on how she's tried to  please Sheldon & puts her voice on his answering machine. She's not interested in geeky interests she's interested in moving in with her boyfriend, which is entirely normal mainstream behavior. In fact I just read in an upcoming episode she says "I just want a NORMAL boyfriend.'

 

Bernadette yells at Howard for buying the 3D printer, it's the dull wife who is the voice of reason, clamping down on the boys' fun. Ugh, I didn't watch the show for that, there are a million shows about mainstream domestic bliss.

[Moonbase]

Did you watch the last episode where Amy tries to move in; she calls their models 'children's toys' speaks disparagingly of science-fiction,  then goes on how she's tried to  please Sheldon & puts her voice on his answering machine. She's not interested in geeky interests she's interested in moving in with her boyfriend, which is entirely normal mainstream behavior. In fact I just read in an upcoming episode she says "I just want a NORMAL boyfriend.'

 

Oh gawd no... too stunned to call out the spoiler

 

The scene when Amy stood over Sheldon and demanded to know why she couldn't move in reminded me of Ramona. That girl forced him to work and he couldn't say no, because he knew she was right. He had the same expression. Sheldon is screwed. Now I need a drink.

[Pomita]

Did you watch the last episode where Amy tries to move in; she calls their models 'children's toys' speaks disparagingly of science-fiction,  then goes on how she's tried to  please Sheldon & puts her voice on his answering machine. She's not interested in geeky interests she's interested in moving in with her boyfriend, which is entirely normal mainstream behavior. In fact I just read in an upcoming episode she says "I just want a NORMAL boyfriend.'

 

Bernadette yells at Howard for buying the 3D printer, it's the dull wife who is the voice of reason, clamping down on the boys' fun. Ugh, I didn't watch the show for that, there are a million shows about mainstream domestic bliss.

 

It's been made clear throughout that sci-fi is not what Sheldon and Amy bond on; she's just not interested. Not every nerd/geek has to be into the same things. They bond on their academic interests, on the intellectual compatibility they share and on their similar level of quirkiness and social awkwardness. If they also had every individual hobby in common (Sheldon's sci-fi and gaming, Amy's harp-playing) they would just be clones of each other. In a good relationship, you accommodate some of your partner's interests even if you don't completely share them; and these two are obviously doing that, with Amy watching Sheldon's kind of movies with him sometimes and visiting the train-store with him, and Sheldon participating in girlfriend/boyfriend sing-along night. 

 

Where's the 'normal boyfriend' comment? I may have missed it (I do read the taping reports). But I guess we shouldn't discuss that here. Maybe continue in the spoiler thread.

 

I don't blame Bernadette at all. She wasn't angry because he got action figures, she actually liked them. She was legitimately angry because he bought something extravagant with her money without asking her. That's never acceptable behavior, regardless of someone's level of geekiness.

[Guest I'm not dead Cheryl]

Kindly don't shout;if you disagree with me give concrete examples not CAPS. Remember Penny giving a Sheldon a cheesecake, because she's sorry he lost his WOW 'invisible crap' and turning around so they go back to Todd Zarnecki's to get it back for him? She went paintballing too.

 

yes, she did give him the cheesecake, but also called his loss "imaginary crap that is useful in a make-believe place" how is calling it crap being supportive of his hobbies?

 

She went painballing, is true. And remember the lines:

Leonard: And Penny, thank your coming

Penny: And thank you for the shoes

 

meaning: Penny went there because Leonard bought shoes for her in return. He had to bribe her. So much for Penny being a nerd.

 

Again, the geeky-supportive, understanding, into science-fiction and costume lover Penny who is tortured by her relationship with Leonard is the Shenny fanfiction Penny. The Penny you keep referring to all the time, but she is not the Penny on the show. 

 

The sex-starved, desperate, incredibly clingy Amy who is only with Sheldon because she wants to be with anyone who would be her boyfriend who is only interested in sex with Sheldon and who only tries to change him into normalcy just to get him to get laid with her is the Shenny fanfiction Amy (a.k.a. the Abomination as some of you Shenny folks call Amy). The Amy you keep referring to all the time as well... but she is not the Amy on the show.

 

No other character on the show has belittled the guy's hobbies so much as Penny (there was a whole episode on that: Nervana Aniihilation) has all over the last 6 seasons. I think it is extremely unfair to blame it all on Amy and Bernadette, because it is so not what happens on the show. And yet, in your comments, you keep posing her as the perfect supporting geeky girlfriend while she is totally not. I'm not bashing Penny, but she is not that. 

Edited February 9, 2013 by Sursonica

[Moonbase]

It's been made clear throughout that sci-fi is not what Sheldon and Amy bond on; she's just not interested. Not every nerd/geek has to be into the same things. They bond on their academic interests, on the intellectual compatibility they share and on their similar level of quirkiness and social awkwardness. If they also had every individual hobby in common (Sheldon's sci-fi and gaming, Amy's harp-playing) they would just be clones of each other. In a good relationship, you accommodate some of your partner's interests even if you don't completely share them; and these two are obviously doing that, with Amy watching Sheldon's kind of movies with him sometimes and visiting the train-store with him, and Sheldon participating in girlfriend/boyfriend sing-along night. 

 

Where's the 'normal boyfriend' comment? I may have missed it (I do read the taping reports). But I guess we shouldn't discuss that here. Maybe continue in the spoiler thread.

 

I don't blame Bernadette at all. She wasn't angry because he got action figures, she actually liked them. She was legitimately angry because he bought something extravagant with her money without asking her. That's never acceptable behavior, regardless of someone's level of geekiness.

 

I understand that Amy doesn't like sci-fi but I would be upset if my partner was disparaging about my hobbies like she is. She doesn't have to like the same things as him but she also doesn't have to make it so obvious. He's not going to stop enjoying his collectables just because she disapproves and thinks they are childish. She shouldn't be trying to make him feel like what he does for fun is stupid. And she wants him to stop.

[sarah7]

@Phantagrae, I completely agree with your two posts in the previous page. If the exquisite posters of this forum keep insisting they are not refererring to the "mainstream audiencie" as a pejorative in theory, then (pretty please) stop using it like one in practice.

 

@Pomita, thanks for saying it. Bernie was all right and excited with the little dolls.... until she got to know the crazy amount of money spent in them.

 

@Sursonica, all your post, totally agree.

 

@Moonbase, I don't know if you have read the whole spoiler, but if not and since you know that line, I think you should also know the context: Amy said it during a distressed moment at work Sheldon was somewhat making worse, with some of his usual cluenessness and stuborness, it had not to do with their relationship and was not angry with Sheldon.

IMHO, it was just a throwaway line, much like Sheldon's "I need to cut her loose", said in the heat of a moment or out of frustration, in reality, we all have seen one of Sheldon's biggest fears right now is Amy leaving him, so, "to cut her loose"?, not his true intention by a mile.

Same with Amy's "normal boyfriend" comment. How many times we have seen her swooning over Sheldon's oddest qualities?

I don't think she wants a "normal" boyfriend. She had the oppprtunity to date "normal" guys before (at least one: Stuart), but she prefers Sheldon. Besides, come on!, it's Amy Farrah Fowler!, what on earth could "normal" mean to her? 

 

It's just another example of Annielogy's selective memory. No big deal, since Amy to her and her correligionaries just can't win. She could be every episode claiming her love for her boyfriends crazyness (the zanier, the better) and praising his hobbies as the coolest stuff ever.. She will be acussed of "doormat!", or "to not have a real personality", or "to say all those things just because she wants to get in his pants".

 

Amy was created and developed the way she is precisely to avoid Sheldon's "normalization". The writers and producers had said it in pratically every interview related to Shamy, they are trying to do them function in a way no other couple would, They could have missteps in the process, but i don't think they are going to throw away the winning formula they have with Sheldon and now with Amy.

 

Sheldon is never going to be "normal", neither Amy. They are "a couple of weirdos", and will always be.

Edited February 10, 2013 by sarah7

[Kiru Breezy]

To the OP :Yes. Yes it going to happen. And you are going to hate it. 

[sarah7]

To the OP :Yes. Yes it going to happen. And you are going to hate it. 

 

Concise and to the point Kiru?

 

Let's apply Schrodinger's cat here, he may end up loving it.

[Kiru Breezy]

Concise and to the point Kiru?

 

Let's apply Schrodinger's cat here, he may end up loving it.

 

Aha! Good thinking! He just might...LOL

[Nogravitasatall]

I understand that Amy doesn't like sci-fi but I would be upset if my partner was disparaging about my hobbies like she is. She doesn't have to like the same things as him but she also doesn't have to make it so obvious. He's not going to stop enjoying his collectables just because she disapproves and thinks they are childish. She shouldn't be trying to make him feel like what he does for fun is stupid. And she wants him to stop.

Is Amy perhaps the more successful scientist? Is she settling? Is this a sub topic of the Shamy thread? Do I drink too much soy?

[Ar Diem]

Way to be grammatically correct smarty pants. I don't want to start a war here or anything but when you proclaim your intellect with such  pomposity you are just inviting such remarks. I have a degree, so I suppose it's okay to say that your conclusion has no basis in reality. (catch the sarcasm?) Intellect and romantic love are not mutually exclusive. It's sad that you believe they are. But, to each their own.

 

I will continue to watch the show because I enjoy it. I suggest if you don't enjoy it to use that remote and change the channel. Or, better yet, turn off the TV and go read an encyclopedia.

 

Geesh! I hate it when I lose my cool to self-righteous know-it-alls. Shant happen again. 

 

 

Actually if you read that last paragraph correctly, which you didn't, you would see I was talking about the parts of the audience that did not put a priority on acadamia not Penny. 

 

Good job being self-righteous though... lol.

 

I will go back and see what other crazy things I have missed tomorrow maybe.  I was giving this thread for a couple of days.

[annieogly]

I understand that Amy doesn't like sci-fi but I would be upset if my partner was disparaging about my hobbies like she is. She doesn't have to like the same things as him but she also doesn't have to make it so obvious. He's not going to stop enjoying his collectables just because she disapproves and thinks they are childish. She shouldn't be trying to make him feel like what he does for fun is stupid. And she wants him to stop.

 

I know Moonbase & apologies if that tiny remark was a spoiler, but I didn't think it was news.

 

This thread is about the normalization, the Leonardization of Sheldon, and Amy is a big part of it. I loved her in the last episode she was funny & sweet. I've been thinking and come to the conclusion that the writers, to appeal to the mainstream, have written Bernadette and Amy as normal mainstream girls for that very reason. Perhaps that will be the new conflict, now that Amy is no longer written as a sex-fiend. She will be hell-bent on normalizing Sheldon, turning him into Homo Domesticus, just like Bernadette has done to Howard. Bleah!

[Ar Diem]

No. I meant Staircase Implementation. Remember Sheldon back then?

 

 

Ar Diem - I agree with you (and I was about to go 'aww' at this):

 

 

But it's not about the time spent in a relationship or in a hobby being 'equal' in terms of the beauty or excitement involved. The fact is that hobbies can be distracting and time-consuming too, and sometimes obsessive (ask us who spend hours on these forums..) This would be especially true for a person like Sheldon who takes his geeky passions very, very seriously. So yes, I think for him his hobbies could be just as much of a diversion from his work as a relationship can, if he let them.

 

And now I'm confused because, from your lovely and very positive description of the joy and wonder of an early relationship, it's even more mystifying to me why you're so offended and disappointed by Sheldon being in one.

 

 

Well for one thing Sheldon will never really feel the joys of a relationship because he is a fictional character. For another, I am a Sheldon shipper.  I saw a character early-on that was happy as-is.  I don't think that ever had to change.  I believe the show saddled him with a girlfriend because he was too popular of a character not to have one.  Now I have to endure watching relationship Sheldon being like just about every sitcom male in a relationship.  He is no different than Leonard or Howard.  They make stupid mistakes, it is brought to their attention, and the male has to learn a lesson or make it right.  The variables may change depending on the character but the basic plot is the same.

 

Not to mention that I am a hopless romantic and their relationship makes me extremely uncomfortable.  I think the writers are great at writing the non romantic portions of the show, and Howardette is mostly okay (although boring) but it makes my skin crawl to see Sheldon fail to compliment Amy on her appearance.  2 years and no ILY?  Most of the time when he is talking about how he feels it is not to Amy.

 

I know everyone has these deep insights on how it all really works but it is too cold and clinical for my tastes.  Not to mention that in the real world men who are that way seldom ever change even making promise after promise and it eats away at the women who love them.   Having known some of these couples personally I have to suspend belief in a pretty big way. 

[tmp]

I don't know what made me decide to look around in this thread because I hate arguing, but here I am.  I don't understand why someone who is unhappy with the direction of the show would not only watch but come to a discussion board and constantly rant about it, but it's your right.  I suspect you just enjoy stirring the pot, but whatever the motivation is, I hope you have fun with that.  I also don't understand why it's worth getting sucked into an argument about it.  Again, I hope you enjoy it.  If you don't enjoy it, may I suggest that rather than telling the complainers to stop watching the show, you simply ignore them?  You can even hide their posts so you don't have to deal with them at all.  It's just an idea and I don't mean to interrupt a lively debate.

[Ar Diem]

I don't know what made me decide to look around in this thread because I hate arguing, but here I am.  I don't understand why someone who is unhappy with the direction of the show would not only watch but come to a discussion board and constantly rant about it, but it's your right.  I suspect you just enjoy stirring the pot, but whatever the motivation is, I hope you have fun with that.  I also don't understand why it's worth getting sucked into an argument about it.  Again, I hope you enjoy it.  If you don't enjoy it, may I suggest that rather than telling the complainers to stop watching the show, you simply ignore them?  You can even hide their posts so you don't have to deal with them at all.  It's just an idea and I don't mean to interrupt a lively debate.

 

So only people with positive things to say about the show are allowed to comment?  Do you have any idea how fast this board would die if only the "I love almost everything they do" crowd posted?  It is not like this is a busy board as it is.

 

So yeah, you guys keep wishing for all the conflict, supposed pot stirrers, to go away.  What will happen then is this board will be so boring the people here that want all peace and love will go looking for somewhere with some action.  In other words, be careful what you wish for.

 

If nothing else, this thread has challenged people to look at the show in different ways to defend their viewpoints.  Instead of getting a thank you for giving people a hot topic and a reason to debate something they may not have otherwise seen, I get asked to stop watching the show, again. 

 

What is ironic is that you are whining about a debate and your advice is to ignore anything that upsets you. 

[Nogravitasatall]

So only people with positive things to say about the show are allowed to comment?  Do you have any idea how fast this board would die if only the "I love almost everything they do" crowd posted 

Are you proposing the experiment?

[tmp]

So only people with positive things to say about the show are allowed to comment?  Do you have any idea how fast this board would die if only the "I love almost everything they do" crowd posted?  It is not like this is a busy board as it is.

 

So yeah, you guys keep wishing for all the conflict, supposed pot stirrers, to go away.  What will happen then is this board will be so boring the people here that want all peace and love will go looking for somewhere with some action.  In other words, be careful what you wish for.

 

If nothing else, this thread has challenged people to look at the show in different ways to defend their viewpoints.  Instead of getting a thank you for giving people a hot topic and a reason to debate something they may not have otherwise seen, I get asked to stop watching the show, again. 

 

What is ironic is that you are whining about a debate and your advice is to ignore anything that upsets you. 

 

Actually, if you go back and re-read what I said, I stood up for your right to be a pot stirrer.  I said to the people who want you to go away that if they don't like what you say, maybe instead of telling you to stop watching the show they could ignore you.  I enjoy lively debate about the show but this conversation is more personal attacks than show discussion, and I'm not here to engage in that kind of discussion so I have no further comment in this thread.

[Ar Diem]

Actually, if you go back and re-read what I said, I stood up for your right to be a pot stirrer.  I said to the people who want you to go away that if they don't like what you say, maybe instead of telling you to stop watching the show they could ignore you.  I enjoy lively debate about the show but this conversation is more personal attacks than show discussion, and I'm not here to engage in that kind of discussion so I have no further comment in this thread.

 

You said you don't understand why I watch the show and come to a message board to rant about it if I don't like the direction of the show.

 

Not understanding something basically means it is so out there you can't imagine why anyone would do it.

 

I understand why the Shamy people think the way they do.  I understand why people who like the show better now think they way they do.  It is kind of a cop out that no one understands why I still watch since I started an entire thread about it.

[Ar Diem]

Are you proposing the experiment?

 

Is that necessary?  Look at threads with no conflict compared to ones that have them and tell me which ones grow the fastest in the shortest amount of time. 

[C-Trayne]

SSo I get that sheldon is like the most popular character... Still don't get why but that's beside the point. My question is did we all really expect almost seven years to go by and him be exactly the same as he was i season one? I get no one here likes change but come on, I can't imagine how stale things might have gotten in they left everything exactly the same