Are They Going To Have Sheldon Choose Amy Over Scientific Accomplishments?

[Tripper]

Keep it civil, folks.

[Ar Diem]

Ok.  I have been raised a completely fair question.  Why do I have a problem with it when I know it is a sitcom?

 

First, as it stands now it really bothers me.  I dislike what I see based on my own experiences.  Again, I have seen women and one man in these kinds of relationships and it is heartbreaking.  I realize this may change but just because getting a tooth pulled will ultimately be a relief the process of it getting pulled is still painful.

 

Second, they are probably going to drag this out for quite some time yet which will prolong her waiting.

 

Third, in order for Sheldon to give her the fairy tale ending he will have to be a lot more like Leonard.  He would actually need to be even better than Leonard but this is a sitcom not a romance novel.  If he doesn't make that transition how can he ever be a proper boyfriend?  I really think that is going to dry up a lot of the original humor and we will have more romcom than anything else.

[Ar Diem]

At the risk of being off-topic in my own thread you guys are really missing out on a great hotseat this week.   I wish some of you guys would divert some of your energy from defending Shamy to showing an interest in some very interesting posters so far.

 

This week's has been amazing so far:

 

[Ar Diem]

This thread is not about real discussion, it seems. Instead, it's one black hole of negativity that I'm occasionally sucked into. I suggest Shamy shippers (me included) let the haters hate and "discuss" amongst themselves.

 

 

So you add to the negativity by trying to offend people?  Good job.

[Ar Diem]

Oh, I was too subtle. By haters, I meant you.

Edit: I apologize to the admin for not keeping it civil and letting someone get to me so. I will ignore this thread going forward, for my own sanity at least.

 

 

LOL.  +1 Like from me.

[Pomita]

Third, in order for Sheldon to give her the fairy tale ending he will have to be a lot more like Leonard.

 

If that were so, Amy would be with Leonard or someone like him. She's with Sheldon for a reason. If she's not happy with him she could break up. There's no indication of Amy being a masochist.

 

I don't think there's going to be any kind of fairy-tale or ideal situation for any of them, except perhaps right at the series finale, because as you said this is a sitcom and they have to keep shaking things up in a comedic way.

 

I also don't completely get this horror of 'like Leonard' and 'Leonardization'. Like him in what? Obviously in some ways being like him would be good for Sheldon (e.g. more empathy) and in some ways it would be detrimental (e.g. self-pity).

 

S.S.S - LOL good going.

[Ar Diem]

If that were so, Amy would be with Leonard or someone like him. She's with Sheldon for a reason. If she's not happy with him she could break up. There's no indication of Amy being a masochist.

 

I don't think there's going to be any kind of fairy-tale or ideal situation for any of them, except perhaps right at the series finale, because as you said this is a sitcom and they have to keep shaking things up in a comedic way.

 

I also don't completely get this horror of 'like Leonard' and 'Leonardization'. Like him in what? Obviously in some ways being like him would be good for Sheldon (e.g. more empathy) and in some ways it would be detrimental (e.g. self-pity).

 

S.S.S - LOL good going.

 

 

Please tell me I am reading that wrong.  If she wanted Sheldon to be more like Leonard she would be with Leonard?  Love is not formulaic.  I hope you know that.

 

So if Amy is not going to get what she wants until maybe the end of a tenth season it means she has waited 5 or 6 years.  That is cruel.

 

Sheldon having empathy would transform him into a nice guy and a good friend and boyfriend.  But don't worry.  Sitcom men are almost always incabable of empathy.  Even Leonard lacks it.  If you don't get why the Leonardization of Sheldon is scary you may not understand that Sheldon is the funny man and Leonard is, most often, the straight man.  Howard has been Leonardized and IMO he is not nearly as funny as he was before.

[Ar Diem]

I have an idea, and please believe me that I don't mean this in a snarky way.  Ar, you watch the show so on some level you must like it, but it's not clear to me what you find appealing because all the discussion has been about one aspect (the S/A relationship) that bothers you.  Maybe if we all said what we like, we could find some common ground.

 

I like the show for a number of reasons.  Mainly, I love that we see these people who are extraordinary in one aspect of their lives have to struggle with the rest of life the same way we all do--which the Amy character has directly pointed out.  I like the characters themselves, so it's fun and rewarding to watch them try to find happiness in love.  The science aspect allows for storylines (like Howard going to space) that are original to sit-coms.  It's funny and cleverly written and the actors are great, especially IMO Jim Parsons, whose knack for hilarious facial expressions is second to none.  I think the writers have kept it fresh and don't rely on the same joke year after year.

 

That's my take.  Maybe we can talk about it from a glass-half-full perspective.

 

 

I made a whole thread on what I like about the show just to keep this from continuing to come up.  You can find it in "The Show".  I believe I called it something like "Why are you still watching" or something.

 

But that is the problem I keep running into.  Shamys are so obsessed with their ship if you don't like it suddenly you must hate the show entirely.  That is ridiculous. 

[The God Particle]

Hey now not all Shamy's are the same...

[Ar Diem]

Hey now not all Shamy's are the same...

 

 

You're not? 

[Razberrypie]

Nothing wrong with a bit of healthy opposition to the shamy, how can you strengthen your love for something if no-one ever questions it? . Though yes, I'll concede it's like walking on eggshells. Things can get ugly fast when all the feels are involved!

[Pomita]

Please tell me I am reading that wrong.  If she wanted Sheldon to be more like Leonard she would be with Leonard?  Love is not formulaic.  I hope you know that.

 

So if Amy is not going to get what she wants until maybe the end of a tenth season it means she has waited 5 or 6 years.  That is cruel.

 

Sheldon having empathy would transform him into a nice guy and a good friend and boyfriend.  But don't worry.  Sitcom men are almost always incabable of empathy.  Even Leonard lacks it.  If you don't get why the Leonardization of Sheldon is scary you may not understand that Sheldon is the funny man and Leonard is, most often, the straight man.  Howard has been Leonardized and IMO he is not nearly as funny as he was before.

 

So you're accepting that what's between Sheldon and Amy is love (of a non-formulaic kind), that's a start.

 

What I mean is that if Amy preferred someone like Leonard she wouldn't be with Sheldon to begin with. Sheldon and Amy don't have the kind of relationship that started with a blind hormonal 'falling in love' - they clearly found something special in each other as persons, and that's how they connected. She didn't even like Leonard, she found him tedious. It's a choice she made, dictated by her own and Sheldon's matching personality traits - if she had more in common with Leonard she would be with someone like him and we wouldn't be having this discussion.

 

Again, you're assuming that  a) 'what Amy wants' can only mean sex and physical affection, and b ) Sheldon's going to take that long to open up in ways he's already indicated he's willing to consider.

 

Sheldon will never become the 'straight man' through his relationship with Amy, simply because there's nothing 'straight' about their relationship. I don't believe that just someone caring for their partner ( or even having sex) makes them unfunny. There's so much more to Sheldon. 

 

But that is the problem I keep running into.  Shamys are so obsessed with their ship if you don't like it suddenly you must hate the show entirely.  That is ridiculous.

 

No-one has said you should stop watching if you don't like a particular ship. Have you forgotten that it was you who also created a thread specifically 'for those who hate the current direction of the show' (including yourself)? Your words, not ours. And you didn't just mean the Shamy. 

Edited February 14, 2013 by Pomita

[Ar Diem]

So you're accepting that what's between Sheldon and Amy is love (of a non-formulaic kind), that's a start.

 

What I mean is that if Amy preferred someone like Leonard she wouldn't be with Sheldon to begin with. Sheldon and Amy don't have the kind of relationship that started with a blind hormonal 'falling in love' - they clearly found something special in each other as persons, and that's how they connected. She didn't even like Leonard, she found him tedious. It's a choice she made, dictated by her own and Sheldon's matching personality traits - if she had more in common with Leonard she would be with someone like him and we wouldn't be having this discussion.

 

Again, you're assuming that  a) 'what Amy wants' can only mean sex and physical affection, and b ) Sheldon's going to take that long to open up in ways he's already indicated he's willing to consider.

 

Sheldon will never become the 'straight man' through his relationship with Amy, simply because there's nothing 'straight' about their relationship. I don't believe that just someone caring for their partner ( or even having sex) makes them unfunny. There's so much more to Sheldon. 

 

 

No-one has said you should stop watching if you don't like a particular ship. Have you forgotten that it was you who also created a thread specifically 'for those who hate the current direction of the show' (including yourself)? Your words, not ours. And you didn't just mean the Shamy. 

 

 

Love in a relationship does not mean it is a healthy relationship though...

 

I assume Amy wants a complete and healthy relationship.  I did not define it in physical terms although even before sex their should be a physical component.  Physical attraction would be a good place to start.

 

We don't know to what degree Sheldon's humor will be compromised in order to accomodate Amy.  If he doesn't change enough it denies Amy, if he changes too much, it denies humor.  It is a tight-rope I wish they were not out on.

 

Hating the direction of the show and hating the show are two different things.  Besides bold titles on a message board always get more attention... message board topic creating 101.

[annieogly]

I entirely agree with Moonbase and Ar Diem; I like the season 4 Sheldon-Amy relationship; Sheldon was his briliiant demanding selfish funny self and Amy was superior, snarky, inappropriate and funny. Now she's a regular girl who's yelling at her boyfriend. Is there anything wrong with that? No; it's the staple on a million sitcoms. Only this one was supposed to be different. Now Sheldon and Amy have changed & it's for the worse.

The Shamy-ites want the romcom more than anything and they don't care if Sheldon is changed or if Amy turns into a needy girlfriend. Gods in real life a smart girl of any sense and with a healthy ego would have dumped Sheldon, gotten some therapy to improve her social skills and she would have wound up with some nice normal science nerd as her boyfriend and been happy.

 

Ugh to the mainstream blandness we're getting, I miss the old show. Even the fervent Shenny-ites over at Paradox blog say they'd rather have asexual Sheldon than changed Leonardized Sheldon. Bleah.

[Nogravitasatall]

@annieogly. I would be very happy if Amy and Sheldon follow their own path. I do agree that they should have their own story and modes of behaviour. Viewers don't need replication. The characters should be differentiated, really. Leonardisation may be a useful shorthand, it might not be entirely apposite nor a pejorative. I don't want Leonard to be Sheldonated either.

Cheers

[Guest I'm not dead Cheryl]

I entirely agree with Moonbase and Ar Diem; I like the season 4 Sheldon-Amy relationship; Sheldon was his briliiant demanding selfish funny self and Amy was superior, snarky, inappropriate and funny. Now she's a regular girl who's yelling at her boyfriend. Is there anything wrong with that? No; it's the staple on a million sitcoms. Only this one was supposed to be different. Now Sheldon and Amy have changed & it's for the worse.

The Shamy-ites want the romcom more than anything and they don't care if Sheldon is changed or if Amy turns into a needy girlfriend. Gods in real life a smart girl of any sense and with a healthy ego would have dumped Sheldon, gotten some therapy to improve her social skills and she would have wound up with some nice normal science nerd as her boyfriend and been happy.

 

Ugh to the mainstream blandness we're getting, I miss the old show. Even the fervent Shenny-ites over at Paradox blog say they'd rather have asexual Sheldon than changed Leonardized Sheldon. Bleah.

 

I find it ironic that you bring up some of the Shenny remarks at Paradox in aid of the "Sheldon changing too much" thing, basically because IF the show would go down the Shenny route he would have to be changed radically in order to make it work. And I'm so completely sure they wouldn't complain about Sheldon being changed then. It's not about wanting Sheldon asexual, or unchanged, it's about "if it's not with Penny, then he shouldn't be with anyone" and it was not me who said it, it was one of the Shenny shippers down there in that thread that said it (I think it was Fercita. I don't agree with her ships at all, but she's a very rational poster and her posts are always awesome). Because thank goodness, some Shenny shippers can take out their shipper glasses and call hipocrisy on some others. So no, I cannot take those opinions as objective.

 

Also, since we're on the matter:

Gods in real life a smart girl of any sense and with a healthy ego would

have dumped Sheldon, gotten some therapy to improve her social skills

and she would have wound up with some nice normal science nerd as her

boyfriend and been happy.

 

So, since you ship Shenny, tell me: do you hate Penny then? why if you feel that Sheldon is such a jerk would you ever want him to be with your favorite girl on the show? The things you say do not correlate with what you ship and wish for the show to happen.

 

Also, the "normal science nerd" kinda sounds like Leonard. And you said that "any girl with a healthy ego" would go for a guy like that, which kinda sounds to me like Penny. I think you subconciously ship Lenny then, you just don't know it

 

Also, it's funny, because there is this whole discussion on this thread, about the Shamy being an "unhealthy" relationship and yadda yadda because Sheldon is too selfish and yadda yadda, and at the same time, usually in the same post, there is the "Sheldon has changed too much, he's not funny anymore yadda yadda" kind of argument. Contadiction at it's best.

 

I also hate that you generalize all Shamy shippers as saying that we "love the rom-com more than anything" (especially when I've read post after post of yours saying how much the Shenny is like classical romances, and Pride and Prejudice and 40's movies and so on.... those are romantic comedies, FYI)  because saying that about all Shamy shippers is not true, as it is not true that we don't care about Sheldon's change or Amy being "needy" /BTW, that label can never be used anymore after last night's episode... just saying/. My love for Amy is bigger than any ship whatsoever, so don't speak for myself. Anyway she is not a "needy" girlfriend. That's the label the people who don't like her character/hate her/ don¡t care about her put on her. The sex-starved-needy-only-wants-sheldon's-dick is NOT the Amy on the show. But hey, she is Sheldon's girfriend, so she can never win, since she is guilty of everything bad that has ever happenned to the show.... right?

 

As well as the aspect of first saying that it is an "unhelathy" or "bad" relationship for not fullfilling the romantic standards (and more akin blah blah blah), but then, also saying that the Shamy's just LOVE the rom-com aspect. Again, sounds contradictory to me.

 

 

Anyway again, back to the topic of this thread. NO, they're not gonna have Sheldon choose Amy over scientific accomplishments, because even formulating such choice is just ridiculous. Why oh WHY people still think and insist that Science cannot go hand in hand with a healthy social/romantic life, as person into Science really, really offends me.

Edited February 15, 2013 by Sursonica

[rubyanjel]

Can I say that 1.) Someone here's siding with Shenny peeps because he/she is too irritated that this place is ruled by shamy fangirls so the best way to "fight" it is be a devil's advocate or the typical contrarian. 2.) Some of your reasons, as called out by Yanina there, are contradicting each other: "Amy is needy" versus "Amy needs someone better". "Sheldon is too selfish" versus "He's being changed too much too fast". 3.) Admit it, it's all "It's either they make Shenny happen or just pack up because everything else is garbage". "Even hardcore Shenny shippers would rather want Sheldon be asexual because he was funnier." Come on, obvious subtext is obvious. Because at least if Sheldon was back to being asexual, then he never had anyone in his life and there's no other woman to oppose the ongoing grasp at straws that it's still possible that Shenny's bound to happen.

[Kiru Breezy]

For the love of COW - stop posting in this GodForsaken thread. LET IT DIE! 

[Ar Diem]

For the love of COW - stop posting in this GodForsaken thread. LET IT DIE! 

 

 

Thanks for helping to keep it alive.  ROFL.

 

You might be right though.  Maybe it is time for me to start a new fresh thread about what is wrong with Shamy.  I will take it under advisement.

[C-Trayne]

Hey now we can't let this thread die!