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6.18 The Contractual Obligation Implementation (Mar. 7)

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I have to say I simply did not get why the writers made a point of having the other characters look at her like that.

So what's with the WTF face ? 

 

I was more shocked by their reaction than by Penny's stories. The Luther anecdote sounded creepy but without further detail, it is entirely possible to imagine it took place after her 18th birthday so... 

 

According to the show's chronology, Penny was with Kurt when she was 17 to 21, after which, she met Leonard. That's why the Luthor joke was so appalling. She could have done this after she was an adult but why would she say this in the context of playing hooky and feeling she could laugh about it "now"?

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According to the show's chronology, Penny was with Kurt when she was 17 to 21, after which, she met Leonard. That's why the Luthor joke was so appalling. She could have done this after she was an adult but why would she say this in the context of playing hooky and feeling she could laugh about it "now"?

And that it was appalling invites the question, why make it? It would have been written, edited, authorised, rehearsed and consciously performed, then reviewed in post. No mistake it was intended.

Idk. Maybe it will recur in the context of an unsettling, testing relationship moment between Leonard and Penny. For me, I only feel sympathy for the Penny character. It sounded like she regretted it. Not really a trashing Penny moment, more the object lesson.

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According to the show's chronology, Penny was with Kurt when she was 17 to 21, after which, she met Leonard. That's why the Luthor joke was so appalling. She could have done this after she was an adult but why would she say this in the context of playing hooky and feeling she could laugh about it "now"?

I know what you mean and you are very probably right. It definitely looks like it was the writers' intention to suggest she ended up in a hotel rom with a 34 year-old while she was still at school which sounds... well, creepy doesn't quite start to cover it.

 

Yet, because it is such an appalling "joke", I'd rather just ignore it and find a way not to take it on board as is. Maybe she played hooky when at community college during one of what I would assume were relatively frequent breakups with Kurt or just before she met him...

Am I grasping at straws ?  Yes. But I'd rather that than actually accept the writers thought such an allusion would be funny. 

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Along the same line, when was she ever "the girl on the other side of the tie" with college boys?  In high school?  After Kurt?  

 

Just another gratuitous Easy!Penny reference.  And most women that I know who WERE promiscuous at a young age don't continue to reference their past like that.

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Along the same line, when was she ever "the girl on the other side of the tie" with college boys?  In high school?  After Kurt?  

 

Just another gratuitous Easy!Penny reference.  And most women that I know who WERE promiscuous at a young age don't continue to reference their past like that.

Not even to their friends ? 

 

I am not doubting you, of course. I am merely surprised for I too know a couple of former "girls gone wild" (who regret nothing or very little) and when with friends, the anecdotes are plentiful.

Now, if Penny had alluded to her former extra-curricular activities completely out of the blue to the Caltech dean or at a university function in front of all of Leonard's colleagues, it would be a completely different ball of wax. But she mentioned it to her friends who have known her for years and to whom some pretty bizarre things happened as well. 

Aside from the Luther thing (let's not go there), I did not think it was inappropriate or showed she has lost her social awareness. She was chatting with her closest friends who, for some strange reasons, felt a couple of bitesize references to a bit of naughty fun was worthy of Victorian outrage.  

 

Mae West and Tallulah Bankhead made careers out of being inappropriate and wild, after all. If the writers were a bit braver, they would go all the way with it and have Penny tell her stories with a twinkle in her eye.

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Along the same line, when was she ever "the girl on the other side of the tie" with college boys?  In high school?  After Kurt?  

 

Just another gratuitous Easy!Penny reference.  And most women that I know who WERE promiscuous at a young age don't continue to reference their past like that.

 

She did go to community college--and she didn't move in with Kurt the day she graduated from high school.  She could easily have been the girl on the other side of the tie when she was at that community college age, before she moved in with Kurt, or whatever.  And also, it could have meant with anyone who had a roommate, not necessarily with college guys.

For instance, if she had been in the room with Leonard, he still might have had a tie on the door.  Just because the practice is common among college roommates or in college dorms doesn't mean that that's the only place one would see it--obviously, since they're in an apartment at that moment.

 

She might not even have meant it literally, but simply meaning that she's not usually the single neighbor/roommate trying to figure out how to behave on the outside of the door.

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Along the same line, when was she ever "the girl on the other side of the tie" with college boys?  In high school?  After Kurt?  

 

Just another gratuitous Easy!Penny reference.  And most women that I know who WERE promiscuous at a young age don't continue to reference their past like that.

 

What is so grating about the writers having Penny talk about her slutty past is this is so completely illogical even in the context of a comedy show. Penny is now an integral part of a group that is made up of the friends of her very significant other, the man she will most likely marry. These are high acheving professional people who have sort her advice on social matters in the past. In such an environment, what sane woman would spontaneously bring up the most sordid descions she has made in her past? Most women who were promiscuous would never say such things to her man's best friends. That's why the comment and the reaction of Bernie, Raj and Amy was so strange.

 

Oh well, We will never hear about this again on the show.

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According to the show's chronology, Penny was with Kurt when she was 17 to 21, after which, she met Leonard. That's why the Luthor joke was so appalling. She could have done this after she was an adult but why would she say this in the context of playing hooky and feeling she could laugh about it "now"?

 

She was only 21 when she met the guys?  Did they say that somewhere?  She moved in with Kurt while she was still a minor?

 

When did she move from Nebraska to Californa?  On her graduation day?

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In season 2 ep 11, David Underhill mentions that she is 22, leading us to believe she was 21 when she met the guys.  She said she lived with Kurt for 4 years.  Of course those aren't absolutes in TV land; she could have been nearly 23 when she went out with Dr. Underhill and 4 years with Kurt could be rounded up from 3 1/2.

 

It was episode 5 of the first season where she tells Sheldon she is usually on the other side of the tie.  So either she was sleeping with college boys immediately before she moved in with Kurt, or during her years with Kurt, or some time right after meeting the guys.

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The context that they put that Penny slut joke in, where she response to Amy's comment about how her mother told her that girl's who play hooky end up with drugs and jazz music addictions, can assume to reference school. In the USA, most viewers would make that connection between hooky and school when you hear that advice would come from a mother.

 

I'm pretty sure the writers wanted that assumption to be made to have joke have the most shocking effect.

 

 

The reference is muddled though because they were talking about playing hooky from work

 

I still don't get why people get all up in arms over these throw-away lines.

The reactions of the others sell the jokes, and yeah, while they hint at her somewhat wild past, it's the past.

 

In the grand scheme of the show and even of that individual episode, it really doesn't amount to much.

 

 

I am amazed at the number of things you don't get.  It is also amazing how often something is a throw-away line if it doesn't fit your agenda.

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Along the same line, when was she ever "the girl on the other side of the tie" with college boys?  In high school?  After Kurt?  

 

Just another gratuitous Easy!Penny reference.  And most women that I know who WERE promiscuous at a young age don't continue to reference their past like that.

 

 

Most women doesn't mean all women.  Her main style of humor is self-deprecation so it makes sense, unfortunately.

 

This is what happens in a sitcom though.  We are at the end of the sixth season.  Her character how outgrown the slut references but they haven't given her any new material and the old material is, well, old.  The jokes are played out so now they try to make them bigger like last season when she was telling Bernadette how she told each brother she was sleeping with the other after sex.  Next season we will probably have to hear about the time she has a threesome with two guys.  I hate to think where they will go in a tenth season, perhaps a dare in which she tried to have sex with an entire football team in 24 hours.

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The reference is muddled though because they were talking about playing hooky from work

 

 

 

I am amazed at the number of things you don't get.  It is also amazing how often something is a throw-away line if it doesn't fit your agenda.

 

And I'm amazed at how many mountains you manage to make out of so many molehills.  Because you just have to find something wrong with pretty much every aspect of the show and every character.

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What is so grating about the writers having Penny talk about her slutty past is this is so completely illogical even in the context of a comedy show. Penny is now an integral part of a group that is made up of the friends of her very significant other, the man she will most likely marry. These are high acheving professional people who have sort her advice on social matters in the past. In such an environment, what sane woman would spontaneously bring up the most sordid descions she has made in her past? Most women who were promiscuous would never say such things to her man's best friends. That's why the comment and the reaction of Bernie, Raj and Amy was so strange.

Oh well, We will never hear about this again on the show.

you want logic in comedy? They can do anything. Howard a payload specialist so quickly? Sheldon not in gaol for inappropriate approaches to little girls...

This was just intimate girl talk (aka secret women's business) - with Raj the honorary girl - like Chiara says.

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And I'm amazed at how many mountains you manage to make out of so many molehills.  Because you just have to find something wrong with pretty much every aspect of the show and every character.

 

 

lol.  This coming from the person who has so often made my posts about a TV show into such tall mountains. 

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Most women doesn't mean all women.  Her main style of humor is self-deprecation so it makes sense, unfortunately.

 

This is what happens in a sitcom though.  We are at the end of the sixth season.  Her character how outgrown the slut references but they haven't given her any new material and the old material is, well, old.  The jokes are played out so now they try to make them bigger like last season when she was telling Bernadette how she told each brother she was sleeping with the other after sex.  Next season we will probably have to hear about the time she has a threesome with two guys.  I hate to think where they will go in a tenth season, perhaps a dare in which she tried to have sex with an entire football team in 24 hours.

My hyperbole alert went off just then.

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I am going to watch The Contractual Obligation Implementation tonight on Ch-E4.

I place my vote later.

Now I've voted very good.

I go along with what is said in post #85

Regarding Marie Curie means of death. It was not exposure to radium (as Sheldon teach in the classroom). In 1995 when her body was exhumed it was found traces of X-Ray poisoning as  during the Great war, she was working to ex-ray injured soldiers without any protection.

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This episode was the most watched last night in the multi channels ( not inc the main 4 but it beat C5) though with a much lower audience figures than it has been getting with 949k and an extra 516k on e4 plus

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"This episode...was the most..."

 

Do you reckon Sheldon was the best at teaching the girls science? Or Leonard and Howard?

I find Sheldon very dashing and well spoken. Maybe like a teacher should be in the classroom nowasday?

Or more casual as Leonard, showing a direct personal approach... like an interacting therapy with the girls?

Also Howard to me appeared to be more in for a personal interview (as an astrounat) rather than teaching science to the classroom.

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Sheldon was better at recognizing what was going wrong correcting the problem by ringing Amy and Bernadette though that didn't go as planned, Leonard was hysterical trying to teach the girls and you are correct about Howard

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This episode re runs tonight in NZ. It was kinda interesting Sheldon was the one who was better at recognizing and correcting the problem. But i always wondered. What made them think being Males. That they would encourage young women to get into Science? How could they relate to young women lol/ Made sense that Amy and Bernadette would get a better point across. Maybe they should of been the ones to come with them. And I too at the time was a bit annoyed at the continual Penny is easy past sex jokes. I mean she has been part of their group for years now. 

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