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6.19 The Closet Reconfiguration (Mar. 14)

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There is less and less of Sheldon that can be seen as socially redeemable. He may not be turned into @Anomaly's "super villain" but he is as unlikable a human being as there is on TV today. It was telling the reaction of the other characters to Amy's desperate plea to view Sheldon's actions as lovably quirky. No, they are anti-social and crazy.

I still think Sheldon is often funny and those who thought the Shamy would make him more human seem to have nothing to fear. But the Sheldon of this season is now so toxic it bends credibility that he would still have friends or sometimes a job given his attitude towards women.

I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought that plea from Amy was weird.  To have her ask for affirmation from the others on Sheldon's behavior seemed odd, as the writers want us to believe that Amy is fustrated at times, but mostly okay with Sheldon's behavior.  Not many people want to discuss that however. :)

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Life is very good for me. I don't live it through the "growth" and "happiness" of fictional characters. I really don't "care" about them because I know they're not real. I just want them to be funny.

Keep telling yourself that ;)

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Are you telling me that YOUR life is really affected by what happens on a TV show?  Now that's sad.

Nope, but hey, nice try ;)

Getting back to the episode, I really enjoyed the smoke alarm scene, too. It tickled :D

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I just have one question! 

 



I wonder how Sheldon felt sorting through Bewnie's...  wingewie. 



Long live Neil. 

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Gurls, don't make me get Tyra up in here. 

 

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Life is very good for me. I don't live it through the "growth" and "happiness" of fictional characters. I really don't "care" about them because I know they're not real. I just want them to be funny.

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But that's changing rapidly. I'm just waiting for the inevitable, "Tonight, on a very special TBBT. Character X faces a crisis and the friends rally around.".  It will happen.  It's what the new fan base wants. Just look at the vast majority of responses out here to the "awwwwwwww" moments.

 

Absolutely; I think it's going to be the inevitable Friends baby for that 'aww' factor. I too have a life and don't want/need that syrupy sentimentality. All spring they've abandoned the nerdy quirky humour in favour of relationships. Frankly I thought what Bernie did to Howard as a character was unforgivable - a real betrayal but then again I don't like spring season Sheldon either, he is detestable.

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Absolutely; I think it's going to be the inevitable Friends baby for that 'aww' factor. I too have a life and don't want/need that syrupy sentimentality.

 

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I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought that plea from Amy was weird.  To have her ask for affirmation from the others on Sheldon's behavior seemed odd, as the writers want us to believe that Amy is fustrated at times, but mostly okay with Sheldon's behavior.  Not many people want to discuss that however. :)

 

I, for one, am fascinated on a story line level. TPTB seem to want to prove that Sheldon is not going to be changed by Amy any time soon and she is patient beyond belief with how abusive he has now become. What I don't understand is why have his attitude become so abrasive to everyone, especially women, the last half dozen episodes.

 

Yes, Sheldon is a social spastic but in previous times, even in 6.02 he seemed to feel some kinship with his friends. He tried to be a southern gentlemen with women, as best he could, one trained in Cotillion. Now, our boy is a complete bitch. He treats his graduate assistant as an indentured servant who is at the mercy of her female hormones. Putting no thought in the process at all, he has her buy his girlfriend the perfect gift, which he keeps for himself. Penny, AKA the Blond Monkey, does him a favor with "Fun with Flags" and Amy has to tell him to thank her. He then tries everything in his power to not join his "friends" to see her play. He insults Mrs. Davis of HR and that may come back to bite him. He brings his own food to Bernadette's dinner party then spends his time there crawling around in the closet. There are too many instances of relationship malfeasance against Amy to list.

 

What is the deal? As @Anniogly stated, he has become pretty detestable. And to make her dislike Sheldon takes a lot. :icon_wink:

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If they are heading getting Sheldon into therapy, a great piece of casting for the therapist would be Michael Dorn. He was brilliant last season as Beckett's therapist on Castle, and they could use it to mess with Sheldon's head big time. They could even use his resemblence to a Star Trek character as why he would take it seriously.

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I, for one, am fascinated on a story line level. TPTB seem to want to prove that Sheldon is not going to be changed by Amy any time soon and she is patient beyond belief with how abusive he has now become. What I don't understand is why have his attitude become so abrasive to everyone, especially women, the last half dozen episodes.

 

Yes, Sheldon is a social spastic but in previous times, even in 6.02 he seemed to feel some kinship with his friends. He tried to be a southern gentlemen with women, as best he could, one trained in Cotillion. Now, our boy is a complete bitch. He treats his graduate assistant as an indentured servant who is at the mercy of her female hormones. Putting no thought in the process at all, he has her buy his girlfriend the perfect gift, which he keeps for himself. Penny, AKA the Blond Monkey, does him a favor with "Fun with Flags" and Amy has to tell him to thank her. He then tries everything in his power to not join his "friends" to see her play. He insults Mrs. Davis of HR and that may come back to bite him. He brings his own food to Bernadette's dinner party then spends his time there crawling around in the closet. There are too many instances of relationship malfeasance against Amy to list.

 

What is the deal? As @Anniogly stated, he has become pretty detestable. And to make her dislike Sheldon takes a lot. :icon_wink:

 

I know I love arrogant brilliant Sheldon, giving it to all the lower IQ-dwelling plebs :icon_biggrin: . But as you've said BangerMain, they've made him mean, sexist, racist quite hateful. I was finally turned off wiith the Kripke episode. It was so fake, he'd have a giant meltdownt at being less briliant than Kripke and at the same time talking about Amy in such a vulgar fashion; he knows better, his mother brought him up better. The writers really don't know how to write the Shamy and it's ruining the characters. They should have had Sheldon think arrogant obnoxious Amy was perfect & inflict her on his friends; now that would have been funny & nice.

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It seems like TPTB needs to break up a couple to fix it. The did it with Howard and Bernadette, and Penny and Leonard. I think a breakup like what we had with Leonard and Penny would work, as Amy is integrated into their little group. Amy could give Sheldon an ultimatum to see a therapist, or they break up. They really just need to reel Sheldon back a bit from the misogyny. Even he recognizes that he needs something, as he stated in "The 43 Peculiarity". That, by the way, was classic TBBT. I thought the whole plot with Sheldon, Raj and Howard was one of the best things they have done in a while. For a second, I actually was afraid he'd done it, then I collapsed with laughter when I realized he snookered them. An interesting episode as it only involved the core five. 

 

I'd like to see the old Sheldon back too, and for that matter Amy. They were better in S4 and S5. But I'm very happy about Leonard and Penny. They could just leave them as they are. With that relationship settled, they don't have to devote any time to it, but just use it as exposition. Leonard can talk things over with Penny about the others, and work through it. There are possibilities here, and the writers have shown that they can write very nerdy plots when they like.

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I know I love arrogant brilliant Sheldon, giving it to all the lower IQ-dwelling plebs :icon_biggrin: . But as you've said BangerMain, they've made him mean, sexist, racist quite hateful. I was finally turned off with the Kripke episode. It was so fake, he'd have a giant meltdown at being less brilliant than Kripke and at the same time talking about Amy in such a vulgar fashion; he knows better, his mother brought him up better. The writers really don't know how to write the Shamy and it's ruining the characters. They should have had Sheldon think arrogant obnoxious Amy was perfect & inflict her on his friends; now that would have been funny & nice.

 

The Shamy has jumped the rails in the last few episodes. I'm thinking that TPTB  wanted to slow things down drastically and they did not figure out how to slow down the momentum that was building since they held hands in the 5th season finale. But did someone suggest in the writer's room "let's make Sheldon a complete a**hole"?

 

Since L/P are completing their final permanent couple-hood stage, maybe the next relationship drama is scheduled to be the Shamy. But Shamy can't follow the same path as Howdette and Lenny, they are too unique. Now they have gone too far with them to take them back to a previous point where they worked as a funny tandem.

 

By making Amy want far more than Sheldon can offer, TPTB are stuck.

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Its nice to see that Sheldon's real character is finally being discussed.

 

I've noticed him changing from being a socially inept science nerd to a real jerk over the past few seasons, but very few people seem to see it.

 

His attitude towards women is disgusting, his attitude towards his friends is disgusting, his attitude towards Amy is disgusting (I don't care much about this as I really don't like her character).

 

Of course, they have also been working hard to ruin the other characters as well, but what they have done to Sheldon is astonishing.

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It seems like TPTB needs to break up a couple to fix it. The did it with Howard and Bernadette, and Penny and Leonard. I think a breakup like what we had with Leonard and Penny would work, as Amy is integrated into their little group. Amy could give Sheldon an ultimatum to see a therapist, or they break up. They really just need to reel Sheldon back a bit from the misogyny. Even he recognizes that he needs something, as he stated in "The 43 Peculiarity". That, by the way, was classic TBBT. I thought the whole plot with Sheldon, Raj and Howard was one of the best things they have done in a while. For a second, I actually was afraid he'd done it, then I collapsed with laughter when I realized he snookered them. An interesting episode as it only involved the core five. 

 

I'd like to see the old Sheldon back too, and for that matter Amy. They were better in S4 and S5. But I'm very happy about Leonard and Penny. They could just leave them as they are. With that relationship settled, they don't have to devote any time to it, but just use it as exposition. Leonard can talk things over with Penny about the others, and work through it. There are possibilities here, and the writers have shown that they can write very nerdy plots when they like.

 

They are going to have to pull Sheldon from this misogyny jag quickly before we see negative feedback from the fans about the Shamy. Its like some algebraic function where the softer, more attentive Amy becomes, the more of a complete jerk Sheldon is. Making her jump to being such an active pursuer of Sheldon from the cool companion of season 4 may have been a mistake. They did not evolve together.

 

We saw this equation before with Leonard and Penny but not as severe. It led to their break-up then their "recombination" after Penny nearly had a nervous breakdown when she was not being nurtured by Leonard. Sheldon went cat crazy when Amy left after they first met but they were not a couple then and the writers did that for the gag.

 

Maybe, as you say the writers can only make the relationships work by having the couples break-up. But H/B and L/P wanted to be together even after their temporary splits. Only Amy appears to be committed to the Shamy.

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There is nothing wrong with the shamy, they are fine and Sheldon would not of made Amy is EC if he wasn't committed to her, the Shamy are in a relationship that is slow building and there is nothing wrong with that, it will ultimately give them a strong bond and i have not seen Sheldon do or say anything to suggest he is unhappy with Amy.

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I think Sheldon is committed to his relationship with Amy, but more as an intellectual companion and surrogate mom. I believe part of the attraction of the Sheldon character is that he is a large child. He's been coddled all his life, but for some reason never evolved past being a pre-adolescent. Amy as surrogate mom works, but don't touch me because you have cooties (germophobe, or eight-year old?), except when I'm sad and I need a hug. Fix my ouchies and boo boos, but don't expect me to kiss you. He acted more grownup when Penny inadvertantly got him drunk on Long Island Ice Teas. This behavior was part of the character from the start. What's going on with the character now is hard to figure, unless he's actually growing up and getting some hormones. He's acting like a snotty twelve year old, but in a responsible adult world. Part of the whole nerd thing is that nerds mature out of sync. Their emotional-social development progresses much more slowly than their intellectual-maturity development. Sheldon can be thought of as an extreme example, amplified by the fact that he is so smart people would put up with almost anything because of it. Since he's a theoretician, no one really has to work with him, so he could have his way at work too.

I wonder if they are suggesting the character wants to change (he has a girlfriend that wants sex, what's the problem? Usually getting to that point IS the problem), but is afraid of change. He has stated repeatedly he doesn't like change, but could it be he doesn't want to admit that things need to change? That means that things aren't perfect now, e.g. wrong in some respects. He's having trouble coping (the hacky sack time), he admits it is possible he would have sex with Amy at some point in the future, but can't right now since he has trouble dealing with things that involve touch (a clear sign of definite mental problems). We have a character primed for a change in direction. Right now he's become such a jerk that he will be ostracized by the group. Remember, the omly reason Sheldon was tolerated in the first place is that they like Leonard enough to put up with him.

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I still dont see how or what he is doing to be a jerk and Amy is nothing like a surrogate mum, if people are going to talk about that then they need to question the reasons Howard married Bernadette when she treats him more like a child than a husband. Sheldon Is dealing with his feelings towards Amy in a way that he is comfortable with and he isn't going to change his entire way of being just like that, these things take time

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