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6.19 The Closet Reconfiguration (Mar. 14)

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Goldfish don't generally live very long anyway, do they?

 

If you keep a good aquarium they can live over 10 years. I used to have 2 big aquariums with lots of different fishies.

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I can't comment on the hormones that may be fueling this writing team, but the flavor of the show is different, and I can understand why some fans wouldn't like it as much.  My husband and I have seen the all the shows from the earlier seasons dozens of times each thanks to constant reruns on TBS and Fox.  They are funny!  Even "big" moments such as the tequlia-soaked pre-lude to Lenny in bed, were funny.  While I enjoy the relationship developments, my husband doesn't care about that, and doesn't watch the new shows with me anymore.  He's a Three Stooges fan - he wants funny/silly, not love and romance.

 

It is a big generality to say this is testosterone vs. estrogen, of course, but there is a reason why romantic comedies are called chick-flicks and why movies with explosions and scatological humor are marketed to guys.  Doesn't make it true for everyone, insert disclaimer here :)  But I get the reference.

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I'm just going to paste my post from another thread...

 

 

I just watched the latest episode (The Closet Reconfiguration)... I seriously think I'm going to stop watching new episodes before all the testosterone has been sucked from me. TBBT has become so much of a chick-show that watching this episode actually felt wrong to me. When everyone gathered around, telling their version of the letter, I thought I was going to throw up into my own mouth. I can watch the greatness of seasons 1-3 anytime I want on disc, but the estrogen fueled train that TBBT has become is nearing the end of it's line for me. The only (main) character that may keep me watching for a while is Sheldon... At least until he's been completely destroyed as well. In all honesty, The Closet Reconfiguration completely disgusted me. TBBT no longer even remotely resembles the show that I became addicted to five seasons ago. If this show hadn't jumped the shark prior to The Closet Reconfiguration (which I believe it did), it most certainly has now.

 
That's my take.

 

 

I thought you were a big Scrubs fan.  Unlike TBBT, Scrubs was never afraid to dive into highly emotionally scenes.  But I can't say too much.  If next season resembles this season I won't be far behind you.

 

Oh, and I won't take offense even though I think this was one of the better episodes this season and I am a dude. :cool:

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I'm just going to paste my post from another thread...

 

 

I just watched the latest episode (The Closet Reconfiguration)... I seriously think I'm going to stop watching new episodes before all the testosterone has been sucked from me. TBBT has become so much of a chick-show that watching this episode actually felt wrong to me. When everyone gathered around, telling their version of the letter, I thought I was going to throw up into my own mouth. I can watch the greatness of seasons 1-3 anytime I want on disc, but the estrogen fueled train that TBBT has become is nearing the end of it's line for me. The only (main) character that may keep me watching for a while is Sheldon... At least until he's been completely destroyed as well. In all honesty, The Closet Reconfiguration completely disgusted me. TBBT no longer even remotely resembles the show that I became addicted to five seasons ago. If this show hadn't jumped the shark prior to The Closet Reconfiguration (which I believe it did), it most certainly has now.

 

That's my take.

Since I personally think that all of the above is utter horseshit, all I can say is, bye-bye.

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If you keep a good aquarium they can live over 10 years. I used to have 2 big aquariums with lots of different fishies.

 

Yeah, but he just had them in little bowls.

 

Those goldfish with the bubble eyes freak me out...

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True, but it's not funny. Many of us just want funny, not cute, touching and awwwwwww.

 

"Many of us"?  Of the 17-20 million viewers, how many is "many"?

 

A lot of people like both the funny and the touching.  Probably more than those who insist on clamping the show in a tiny, narrow box.

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Yes I know you're in the majority. Everyone else should just shut up. :icon_rolleyes:

 

It's not about shutting up.  It's about pretending that just because one doesn't like it that there are somehow lots of other people who feel the same way.  Out of the millions of viewers, yeah, I'm sure there are some people who maybe feel that way, but "many"?  What does that even mean?

 

Why not just speak for oneself and leave it at that?  Pretending that there's a whole bunch of people out there who are going to jump ship or who hate the show now or whatever it just trying to validate oneself by claiming some kind of solidarity with a bunch of others who think the same way.  If that many people were dissatisfied, or felt that a sitcom shouldn't have a few moments of wider emotion, then the ratings would be falling.

 

Most people aren't that rigid about what constitues a comedy show, I think.  The last time I remember hearing any uproar about a sitcom having a dramatic episode was back in the days of MASH.

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It's not about shutting up.  It's about pretending that just because one doesn't like it that there are somehow lots of other people who feel the same way.  Out of the millions of viewers, yeah, I'm sure there are some people who maybe feel that way, but "many"?  What does that even mean?

 

 

You mean the other nearly 100 million homes that watch something else or nothing at all?  TBBT is doing remarkably well but you need to leave it at that.

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You mean the other nearly 100 million homes that watch something else or nothing at all?  TBBT is doing remarkably well but you need to leave it at that.

 

All I'm saying is that using a phrase like that "Many of us..." is trying to imply that one knows of "many" other people that think the same way, when, in fact, the poster knows no such thing.  It may be that 3 people, or 10 people or however many people think that way, but such a phrase means nothing while it tries to imply that it means something significant about opinions about the show.

 

Of those "nearly 100 million homes that watch something else or nothing at all"--how many of them don't watch TBBT because they don't like sentimental episodes?  There's no way to know that.  But to claim that one's personal opinion is backed up by some phantom group is just as pointless.

 

Feel free to say what you yourself (collective "you") feel or think about the show, but don't try to validate your opinion by pretending there's some kind of silent majority that backs your opinion.

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All I'm saying is that using a phrase like that "Many of us..." is trying to imply that one knows of "many" other people that think the same way, when, in fact, the poster knows no such thing.  It may be that 3 people, or 10 people or however many people think that way, but such a phrase means nothing while it tries to imply that it means something significant about opinions about the show.

 

Of those "nearly 100 million homes that watch something else or nothing at all"--how many of them don't watch TBBT because they don't like sentimental episodes?  There's no way to know that.  But to claim that one's personal opinion is backed up by some phantom group is just as pointless.

 

Feel free to say what you yourself (collective "you") feel or think about the show, but don't try to validate your opinion by pretending there's some kind of silent majority that backs your opinion.

 

 

You can't claim the 20 million agree with you so what does it matter? For all you know 11 million could be dangerously close to changing the channel each week.  Besides "many" can be just the posters on this board that agree.

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Completely agree. It definitely seems aimed at the female audience now. Not that there's anything wrong with that. It's just not the same show.

 

I entirely agree and I'm female, I loathe the sappiness of the show this spring season. ugh! I don't even make a point of watching anymore...

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You can't claim the 20 million agree with you so what does it matter? For all you know 11 million could be dangerously close to changing the channel each week.  Besides "many" can be just the posters on this board that agree.

 

I don't claim they agree with me.

But they seem to keep coming back each week, whatever it is they think.

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After the last episode my wife shook her head and said "Do we have to keep watching this?". I told her we did because I have to go to this forum each week and tweak the emos. :icon_twisted:

 

"Tweak the Emos"    :icon_lol:

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"After the last episode my wife shook her head and said "Do we have to keep watching this?". I told her we did because I have to go to this forum each week and tweak the emos. "

Run, it's Speckerman.

It's ok, my underwear is currently off.

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After the last episode my wife shook her head and said "Do we have to keep watching this?". I told her we did because I have to go to this forum each week and tweak the emos. :icon_twisted:

 

emos, hysterical; you're funnier than the show now :icon_razz:

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I honestly didnt think that I would like this episode when it first started. I was glad however that Bernadette wasnt being a complete spazz this time around. The last couple of episodes that have focused on their relationship havent been real good about showcasing their love between each other. By the end of the episode when they were reading what they wanted to tell Howard, I was crying. it was really touching, right up there with the episode of the marriage. 

 

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I agree.

 

I'm perfectly okay with someone not liking an episode (or the show). Not okay with the snarky testosterone vs estrogen comments. The stereotyping makes me want to throw up in my mouth. Unless someone takes a poll of ALL the 20 million viewers and computes a statistical chisquare of how many men and how many women actually watch it and like it, there's no way one can make a judgment other than pure chauvinistic bias.

 

Yeah, because someone being left with strong unresolved feelings because a parent left in childhood, or friends gathering together to support each other, happens only to females. :icon_rolleyes:

 

I'm a college math instructor with a focus in statistics.  I'm working on a doctorate in math education with a concentration in statistics education, so this warms my heart.  :)  I gotta point out, though, that if there's a random sample, the entire population is unnecessary.  :)

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Unless someone takes a poll of ALL the 20 million viewers and computes a statistical chisquare of how many men and how many women actually watch it and like it, there's no way one can make a judgment other than pure chauvinistic bias.:

There's always those alligator priors.

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Since I personally think that all of the above is utter horseshit, all I can say is, bye-bye.

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You've written an informed, intelligent and well thought out response. Your case has been soundly made... I salute you.   :icon_rolleyes:

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I have to agree and I have said all along that with a number like 20 million you really have to assume that the make-up of the audience would follow the characterstics of the US population which, in the past, has been pretty evenly divided between male and female with a slight edge to female.

 

That, of course, doesn't mean the show is the show is not targeted at a specific gender.  I don't know if I would agree with that either considering I think that there is an aspect of the show that mocks romance.  The mocking that I have detected since last season they may have accidentally made a little too clear in this very episode.

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I'm a college math instructor with a focus in statistics.  I'm working on a doctorate in math education with a concentration in statistics education, so this warms my heart.  :)  I gotta point out, though, that if there's a random sample, the entire population is unnecessary.  :)

 

Amendment accepted. One just needs a statistically large enough sample (which this forum isn't). Tensor's point about priors taken, too. ;)

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Amendment accepted. One just needs a statistically large enough sample (which this forum isn't). Tensor's point about priors taken, too. ;)

 

While I agree about the statistical sample, I will say that gender roles exist and it's foolish to deny them, but I don't agree that it's biological rather a product of traditional patriarchal culture (and it's imprisoning for men as well). Women are brought up and conditioned into gender roles: marriage, not being 'aggressive', deferring to men socially etc whether it's China or North America, India or South America, I mean how many men like Cinderella or Sleeping Beauty or the Shamy? My male friends adore James Bond, Star Trek etc. and most males in this forum like the Lenny, which is a popular male fantasy: the plain guy gets the gorgeous young nubile women - the trophy. Most movies and television reinforces this boring stereotype. I'd say the exception is Joss Whedon who has active women and men released from boring gender roles.

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I'm confused by Amy's reaction to Sheldon hiding behind her. She's at no point scared, just irritated, so clearly she doesn't think she's going to get hurt or "take the punch" as a human shield would. So why the "human shield" comment, and only irritation instead of concern for Sheldon's safety and minute of terror? If I was in that position, and someone I cared about grabbed me in panic to prevent someone becoming violent and I knew I wouldn't get hurt as a result, sure I wouldn't enjoy being grabbed but I'd be FAR more concerned about the person I cared about being threatened by a furious man holding a bottle, and I'd do or say something to help calm the attacker down. Not stand around passively and irritatedly as if the situation wasn't serious and then selfishly fuss about being removed from a chair as if that inconvenience is so much worse than the alternative potential of the person I love getting a serious punch to the face or two. It's a matter of priorities. What's more important, your own comfort or someone else's safety, especially someone you're supposed to love?

 

The only way I can interpret this as not uncharacteristic lack of caring from Amy, is if she never thought Howard was going to actually hurt Sheldon whether he hid behind her or not, hence her lack of fear or relief for his safety, and that despite feeling she wasn't in any danger, she thought Sheldon DID think he was putting her in danger, rather than 100% preventing any physical harm befalling anybody. That's also the only interpretation through which I can understand people judging Sheldon for what he did. If he also knew Amy wouldn't get hurt, then his behaviour was surely quite understandable and if Howard was actually going to hit him otherwise, he it worked and prevented himself, Howard and the people who'd break it up from getting hurt in what would follow; only if he thought Amy might get caught in some kind of cross-fire would it be an inappropriate impulsive response.

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