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6.20 The Tenure Turbulence (Apr. 4)


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Okay now the high point of the episode for me is Bawwy Kwipke; he's funny. But then he's a self-proclaimed genius, social loser which was the basis of the TBBT.

 The rest : meh. Mrs Davis isn't funny & Sheldon is just obnoxious, I keep wanting Amy to kick him in his nether regions. Raj is funnyish but I miss his parents, and Leonard's mother and Sheldon's mother and where the heck is Howard's mom? They are all comic gold. Howard had a moment with 'meercats' but I really don't care for the ensemble romcom Friends-type spring season; I can't wait for Warehouse 13 to start.

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Ok, ok, but there is a problem here: Penny will not be hired, it is supposed that Leonard will be. So, that old people will spend time looking Leonard´s girfriend´s breast for a while and then they will hire Leonard? Why? They will not see Penny again. If it is she who will work with them then maybe they will choose her only because of her beauty (!) But THIS IS NOT THE CASE. Leonard is using her for nothing. He is thinking: "ok, let this old men look till die my girlfriend´s body and after that they will choose ME" :icon_eek:

I don´t know...this sound stupid and his head should have that chip... :icon_lol:

Amy has more chances to help than Penny IMO

 

The fact that Leonard's girlfirend is a waitress will work against him.There are social boundaries in many professions,wht your significant other does and his/her education is pretty important in many places. 

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Kripke is offering something that will be used for one of them (even it is not related to the job). The person will get some benefit from Kripke. Amy will not give anything to them but can help Sheldon in being less "Sheldon" and acting in a way could make them to feel more comfortable with Sheldon. Even in a conversation she can help to show them how good is Sheldon in his profession despite his personality etc.

BUT, Penny, showing her body...what they are getting with this? Is she planning to have sex with one of them? Only looking a beautiful woman for a while is enough for making them to choose Leonard? Is Leonard planning to give them a picture of Penny then they can see it every time they want? What is their benefit? And Penny cannot help Leonard in the way Amy can, regarding his profession, even she cannot explain in what her boyfriend is working. She cannot talk to that people. They only can look at her as they are looking a picture and nothing more.

Even if the selection isn´t totally based on people´s work, IMO they need to get something for making them to choose someone, if the real reason is not his job.

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The writers may be making comment on the fact that they do not operate in a meritocracy.

It could be a reflection on the writer's experience in their own careers.

Another view is the utility derived from Penny's association is that Leonard would be noticed. It's straight marketing. Like why fizzy drinks have pretty girls and muscled men associated with them in advertising. The committee might never meet Penny again but Leonard is now a product that is differentiated from the others in a subjectively good way (assuming the committee members are old straight men with functioning vision).

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The fact that Leonard's girlfirend is a waitress will work against him.There are social boundaries in many professions,wht your significant other does and his/her education is pretty important in many places. 

Maybe you are right, but this is sad. What is she doing as a job should not concern others. Even if her job is to clean public toilets. Sometimes the job a person is doing doesn´t reflect what the person is, remember The Bat Jar Conjecture (1x13) where that Russian man from the cleaning staff (I forgot his name) was in reality a Physicist from Russia but working cleaning toilets in America and answered the question Sheldon couldn´t.

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@lissie,

The writers may be making comment on the fact that they do not operate in a meritocracy.

It could be a reflection on the writer's experience in their own careers.

Another view is the utility derived from Penny's association is that Leonard would be noticed. It's straight marketing. Like why fizzy drinks have pretty girls and muscled men associated with them in advertising. The committee might never meet Penny again but Leonard is now a product that is differentiated from the others in a subjectively good way (assuming the committee members are old straight men with functioning vision).

Sheldon is right, we live in a stupid world :(

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Just loved this episode! Smiling and laughing throughout the entire episode :D I liked Amy in this episode, she talked more like she did when she began.
Howard suggesting to Sheldon to comment on Rajs mother was just too funny! that whole scene made me laugh, more jokes in this one which has been lacking in the past ones. Leonard on that exercise machine! ^_^ 

The dress Penny was wearing was pretty darn ugly!, but she pulled it off. Just me or Leonard looking a little chunky?....

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The fact that Leonard's girlfirend is a waitress will work against him.There are social boundaries in many professions,wht your significant other does and his/her education is pretty important in many places. 

 

Working at a university I would tend to agree with this statement. I don’t think they would be mean to her or Leonard because of her being a waitress; they might love her bubbly personality. However, for things like tenure, there is a level of arrogance in the world of Higher Education based of your degree, your accomplishments and who you know. Also we know at least one member of the tenure committee is a female and works in HR so by her, as Amy put it, "flirting" with the tenure committee, it could have no effect on some committee members

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What I said was that while Penny's presence might have helped the academic committee's impression of Leonard, ultimately it will be his body of work at the university that will be the deciding factor. I did not say anywhere nor did anyone else that Penny's presence would be the deciding factor.

 

Read post #218.  You were the first one to suggest that someone might have been arguing it was a deciding factor.  No one was arguing that.  You setup a straw-man.

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Okay now the high point of the episode for me is Bawwy Kwipke; he's funny. But then he's a self-proclaimed genius, social loser which was the basis of the TBBT.

 The rest : meh. Mrs Davis isn't funny & Sheldon is just obnoxious, I keep wanting Amy to kick him in his nether regions. Raj is funnyish but I miss his parents, and Leonard's mother and Sheldon's mother and where the heck is Howard's mom? They are all comic gold. Howard had a moment with 'meercats' but I really don't care for the ensemble romcom Friends-type spring season; I can't wait for Warehouse 13 to start.

 

Come to think of it, Prady said at the beginning of this season that we would hear from Sheldon and Amy that their mothers had met. This hasn't happened.

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Come to think of it, Prady said at the beginning of this season that we would hear from Sheldon and Amy that their mothers had met. This hasn't happened.

 

I think they wanted to do something like that, but Laurie Metcalf was on Broadway until just recently.  Unless they are somehow able to cram that into one of the last two episodes, that may have to wait for another season, or simply fall by the wayside.

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The fact that Leonard's girlfirend is a waitress will work against him.There are social boundaries in many professions,wht your significant other does and his/her education is pretty important in many places. 

It's not like he's going to introduce Penny as 'my girlfriend the waitress' or words to that effect. Penny's profession won't come up unless she is specifically asked, and then it's up to her to decide how to answer. Remember back in season one (episode 4) Howard hired an 'escort' to be his date for Dr. Gablehouser's introduction party.

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The fact that Leonard's girlfirend is a waitress will work against him.There are social boundaries in many professions,wht your significant other does and his/her education is pretty important in many places.

 

Maybe in real life that would be the case but on this show....having Penny would most likely be the thing that would end up being revealed as tipping the scales in his favor.

 

Keep in mind that this is also the same group of writers that despite having a consultant on the show who could have easily explained to them how the tenure process works and they could have written it into the show show realistically, didn't bother, so I don't think in TBBT's reality Penny's current occupation is going to hurt Leonard.

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Maybe in real life that would be the case but on this show....having Penny would most likely be the thing that would end up being revealed as tipping the scales in his favor.

 

Keep in mind that this is also the same group of writers that despite having a consultant on the show who could have easily explained to them how the tenure process works and they could have written it into the show show realistically, didn't bother, so I don't think in TBBT's reality Penny's current occupation is going to hurt Leonard.

 

It's very likely that the "realistic" tenure process doesn't have much comedy built into it.

It's just like when they use a board game or card game on the show--it's not to show the audience how to play the game, but to use it as a backdrop for whatever comedic elements they want to explore.

 

So, here, they weren't really examining the tenure process, but showing how the guys were competing in the realm of "schmoozing".

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It's not like he's going to introduce Penny as 'my girlfriend the waitress' or words to that effect. Penny's profession won't come up unless she is specifically asked, and then it's up to her to decide how to answer. Remember back in season one (episode 4) Howard hired an 'escort' to be his date for Dr. Gablehouser's introduction party.

 

Well an escort would lie abt her profession, Penny could lie if asked I guess,wht does it say abt her then as a suitable mate for Leonard?

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Maybe you are right, but this is sad. What is she doing as a job should not concern others. Even if her job is to clean public toilets. Sometimes the job a person is doing doesn´t reflect what the person is, remember The Bat Jar Conjecture (1x13) where that Russian man from the cleaning staff (I forgot his name) was in reality a Physicist from Russia but working cleaning toilets in America and answered the question Sheldon couldn´t.

 

Well it is wht it is..if my wife was a uneducated waitress and I took her to company events where I introduce her as such to my bosses then I am pretty sure my wife and I will not be invited to meet high profile clients in social gatherings.There is a class/social boundary in a no of professional places most of all in academia where degrees matter terribly.

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It's very likely that the "realistic" tenure process doesn't have much comedy built into it.

It's just like when they use a board game or card game on the show--it's not to show the audience how to play the game, but to use it as a backdrop for whatever comedic elements they want to explore.

 

So, here, they weren't really examining the tenure process, but showing how the guys were competing in the realm of "schmoozing".

 

Good and great writers can milk the comedy out of anything. That quality is actually what separates the great writers from the rest of the pack. On the contrary, keeping things true to real life, at least when it comes to specific things like this often helps reign in the writer and keeps the script from meandering. This applies to both writing for comedy as it does drama. That wouldn't have required the writers to drop the politicing and competition storyline between the guys as that kind of stuff still happens(unfortunately)in the real world. Academia isn't an arena that is immune from such things.

 

It just comes across as sheer laziness on the writers parts and a lot people notice it.

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Well it is wht it is..if my wife was a uneducated waitress and I took her to company events where I introduce her as such to my bosses then I am pretty sure my wife and I will not be invited to meet high profile clients in social gatherings.There is a class/social boundary in a no of professional places most of all in academia where degrees matter terribly.

 

I think the joking point they're trying to make by having Penny show off her "assets" is that few, if any, of Leonard's colleagues are going to give a damn what she does.  They'll be too busy staring at her boobs and ass to care, or even ask.

 

Penny would likely call herself an actress, in any case.  It seems she's had enough jobs at this point to earn the title. 

 

I have to say, I waited tables for a long time while I was getting my degree (and before that, when I just wasn't sure what I wanted to do with my life), and your condescending attitude toward people in service jobs is appalling. I had great hours, great colleagues, a great business serving excellent food, and made fantastic money.  There is no dishonor in such work.   

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Well an escort would lie abt her profession, Penny could lie if asked I guess,wht does it say abt her then as a suitable mate for Leonard?

It takes more than an education to be a suitable mate. For instance someone could be able to spell about and what and still not be a suitable mate. As for social situations, Penny should prove to be an asset... if for no other reason than she can talk to potential donors without boring them to death.

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Well an escort would lie abt her profession, Penny could lie if asked I guess,wht does it say abt her then as a suitable mate for Leonard?

 

A very suitable mate, if Leonard asks to state her profession is a Actress.    You forget, Leonard asked her to come, so he isn't all that worried about it.     Leonard doesn't really care if Penny is a waitress or an actress.  All he wants is to be loved by the woman he loves.   And we all know  you would prefer highly educated cold-hearted bitches like Leonard's mother, rather than a less educated woman who was warm and caring.

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It takes more than an education to be a suitable mate. For instance someone could be able to spell about and what and still not be a suitable mate. As for social situations, Penny should prove to be an asset... if for no other reason than she can talk to potential donors without boring them to death.

or trailer.

 

But there is no real requirement to be able to spell anything these days. From some of the threads it looks like the future of communication is glyphs.

 

But I did enjoy the episode very much.

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or trailer.

 

But there is no real requirement to be able to spell anything these days. From some of the threads it looks like the future of communication is glyphs.

 

But I did enjoy the episode very much.

I was making an reference to Kutra going on about how a lack of education makes someone unsuitable as a mate. I was able to discern the words in question by context.

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Well it is wht it is..if my wife was a uneducated waitress and I took her to company events where I introduce her as such to my bosses then I am pretty sure my wife and I will not be invited to meet high profile clients in social gatherings.

 

Wow, you're bosses must be real assholes.   When I was working for a large orange juice company, our management team didn't care what your wife did.  I've been to many social and business gatherings with my non-degreed wife.   She could be sociable, and got along just fine with clients and all of those MBAs .   Hell, our company didn't even care if you had a degree, if you could do the job.   I don't have a degree, but what I do have is a large math and science background.  Our forecasting department (excuse me, demand planning) had a guy who almost had a doctorate and basically quit before he got fired.  I filled in and eventually ended up with the job, because I was doing it better than he was. My boss has a BA, in French, that he never used in his job, but he was department head with four or five MBAs working for him. They want results, not bullshit games.

 

There is a class/social boundary in a no of professional places most of all in academia where degrees matter terribly.

 

Degree's matter terribly for the person who is actually working to get tenure in academia, or trying to get hired by a university,or is heading up departments.  Not so much for wives or girlfriends.   I now do data analysis and writing code and algorithms, part time, for an astrophysical research team at a university.   Again, I don't have a degree(but I'm not going for tenure), but I do know what I'm doing.

My degree-less wife and I have no problems getting along all those degreed people at the various university social gatherings.   And funny how we keep getting invited, even though it's known we don't have degrees, and she's a cashier.  Could it be that we can handle ourselves at such gatherings? Nah, according to you, my wife needs her degree to keep getting invited. Or is that just for companies that are run by assholes?

All of the people I work with, have their doctorates (or are in the process of getting their doctorates), but only about half of their wives or girlfriends have degrees. One of them is a full professor, is tenured and is a co-leader of the project.  His wife has been cashier for over 30 years (her and my wife are friends).  Good thing he's not employed by idiots who seem to want to enforce some bullshit class system, eh?

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I was making an reference to Kutra going on about how a lack of education makes someone unsuitable as a mate. I was able to discern the words in question by context.

Yeah but I didnt have a glyph (gif) that properly expressed my thoughts, so I went another way. Happy to agree with you.

 

Funny, but if things go well I may be able to speak from Penny's POV in a similar situation. But I know I'll be no asset like her.

 

And people can read what others write. Some things are not subtle. Isn't there a saying "class will out"? I think this is evident here

 

...and back to the episode.

 

Somethinkg like this actually happened. I think it was a draftsman died at his desk and no-one noticed for days.The good news is that if Leonard doesn't come home Penny would notice.

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