Episodes 6.21 The Closure Alternative (Apr. 25)

[hamerman55]

The need for closure and OCD aren't necessarily the same thing. A compulsive need for closure is a problem, but is probably part of his OCD. The process she was leading Sheldon through is a mainstream therapy technique, and is very effective, especially if combined with SSRI drug therapy. I've been through it, and it helped my OCD get manageable. Sheldon is just not ready for it, as he doesn't think he has a problem that needs fixing. He does, but until he decides to work on fixing it with appropriate help, he's more likely to get worse than better.

[Devashri]

The need for closure and OCD aren't necessarily the same thing. A compulsive need for closure is a problem, but is probably part of his OCD. The process she was leading Sheldon through is a mainstream therapy technique, and is very effective, especially if combined with SSRI drug therapy. I've been through it, and it helped my OCD get manageable. Sheldon is just not ready for it, as he doesn't think he has a problem that needs fixing. He does, but until he decides to work on fixing it with appropriate help, he's more likely to get worse than better.

true, it seemed as though he was a little overwhelmed by the amount of tasks put in front of him that didn't get the required results.

[koops]

The need for closure and OCD aren't necessarily the same thing. A compulsive need for closure is a problem, but is probably part of his OCD. The process she was leading Sheldon through is a mainstream therapy technique, and is very effective, especially if combined with SSRI drug therapy. I've been through it, and it helped my OCD get manageable. Sheldon is just not ready for it, as he doesn't think he has a problem that needs fixing. He does, but until he decides to work on fixing it with appropriate help, he's more likely to get worse than better.

 

The other thing about OCD/compulsions is that both can manifest themselves in ways that may be more or less debilitating. Sheldon is generally shown to function relatively well in the world, as do most people with OCD traits, but there are cases of severely debilitating OCD where the compulsions greatly affect daily functioning. While most of Sheldon's OCD tendencies and other phobias probably fall under the relatively harmless category, some of them, like the need for closure, can become pretty debilitating at times. I don't think though that if they're not treated he's likely to get worse, it is just as likely that he will stay at the same level for his whole life.

 

 

Obviously though, one night of therapy isn't going to work like magic, it is very common not to go anywhere at all in terms of progress after one session. 

[Devashri]

so I would love to see the kind of Amy we saw in this episode in upcoming episodes.She seemed a lot more matured and intelligent. A few quirks are alright for the laughs.Howard had a kind of side part in this episode only dealing with raj's problems. Lucy isn't really growing on me, her character seems too flat,no deviation what so ever. Leonard wanted penny to like the show so much,she hardly seemed interested in it,but I'm glad she loves him and her friends when she mentioned she was passionate about him.Ofcourse leonard has his quirks which makes him so special and he has consistently remained the character except for the fact that he stands up for himself now. Penny too seemed to be more matured. Bernie had such a little part it seemed as though they just gave some lines to stick to contract of 22 episodes. Raj's dog is cute, but the makeout wasn't pleasant eww It wasn't as funny as other episodes but the only part that was really funny was when sheldon did and redid all the tasks. Jim parsons keeps getting better with every episode, how he delivers all that performance flawlessly baffles me. I'm glad that penny has warmed up to all the characters.Her telling Sheldon that she was glad to have him in his life was sweet. In my opinion It had no romantic tone to it whatsoever(which some fans  may say it had and keep on arguing ) but more of a friend. In the very last scene sheldon calls up bruce miller to ask what the season finale of alferd was going to be was funny too lol. I can see why sheldon did that, imagine if big bang theory got cancelled and left on a cliff hanger I would call up lorre too, asking what would happen in the end.

Edited April 28, 2013 by Devashri

[BangerMain]

 

It's the writers who are to blame for Amy being all over the place and passive-aggressive. Sheldon has regressed this season, he's crude, misogynistic, racist and childlike. I would say the Shamy fans want this couple so much that they are overlooking the lack of character development.

 

While I think the writers are trying to mature the Amy character. Sheldon has shown some pretty awful behavior this season, which coming from the place he previously was means he is now pretty frightful. Amy has been taking over the mother role that they had assigned to Penny previously and seems to be trying to give him some "home training". Sheldon has always been treated as a man-child but this season there is a bigger emphasis on the child part. The writers seem to want to show how far Sheldon has to go to be considered a functioning man.

 

I can assume they are setting us up for a payoff for Amy latter this season. I know she does not want to be his mother and would prefer he become a romantic partner.

[Nogravitasatall]

Not at all! This gif is from The Parking Spot Escalation, when Bernadette asks if she's hostile because her sex life is theoritical. 

She simply has a "too tired with your bs Imma slice your throat" face that made me laugh so I added that. 

Um...ok. I don't see that look much where I live, so i'll take your word for it.

[Moonbase]

The need for closure and OCD aren't necessarily the same thing. A compulsive need for closure is a problem, but is probably part of his OCD. The process she was leading Sheldon through is a mainstream therapy technique, and is very effective, especially if combined with SSRI drug therapy. I've been through it, and it helped my OCD get manageable. Sheldon is just not ready for it, as he doesn't think he has a problem that needs fixing. He does, but until he decides to work on fixing it with appropriate help, he's more likely to get worse than better.

 

Thanks for this. I have no idea about OCD or need for closure. But I know the session Amy preformed in that episode was hokum and done for the purpose of comedy. She's not trained and you post perfectly illustrated how this process would take a very long time, which was what I wrote.

Its just lucky for us that Sheldon is a TV character and his need for closure has not really changed since his creation. It's not going to get worse as you suggested. Sheldon is just Sheldon and I love him for it. He's the best new character to appear on our TV screen in decades. Fix that? Why?

[annieogly]

Annie, the live + same day for episodes before the first of the year averaged about 16.0 million. The episodes after the first of the year have averaged 17.9 million. The 18-49 demo share is also higher. During the first half of the year there were no episodes above a 6.0 and only two above 5.5. During the second half, there were three episodes above 6.0 and six that above 5.5. The averages were 5.0 for the first half and 5.8 for the second half. A quick look shows that TBBT, at a 5.2 average) is the only show above 4.5 (actually 4.2 is the second highest). If you want I can look around a bit more to try and nail it down.

The number for after the first may come down as the shows at the end of the year tend to have a lower number of viewers, as they go outdoors due to better weather and more light. But, ALL the shows drop, and TBBT keeps the same number compared to the other shows, as a percentage of all viewers. The Live + 3 day, for number of viewers is at almost 19 million average for the year.

 

Thank you very much for the statso Tensor, as you know it doesnt thrill me   I loved the autumn season which was very classic. But who knows maybe they'll give it a try again next fall....

[annieogly]

While I think the writers are trying to mature the Amy character. Sheldon has shown some pretty awful behavior this season, which coming from the place he previously was means he is now pretty frightful. Amy has been taking over the mother role that they had assigned to Penny previously and seems to be trying to give him some "home training". Sheldon has always been treated as a man-child but this season there is a bigger emphasis on the child part. The writers seem to want to show how far Sheldon has to go to be considered a functioning man.

 

I can assume they are setting us up for a payoff for Amy latter this season. I know she does not want to be his mother and would prefer he become a romantic partner.

 

BangerMain; agreed, they've taken the 'maturing' road when a number of us liked the old obnoxious Amy-Sheldon season 4 couple. And sadly it feeds into the tiresome; women become the mothers sitcom trope ( look at poor Bernadette), to the 'helpless' and 'clueless' male. Probably the writers don't want Sheldon to become too mature then they'd have no reason to avoid sex...they're stuck in a problem of their own poorly-written making.

 

I think they'll drag it out for years

[AdorkablyMe]

I'm looking forward to finding out how critics view the writers of TBBT (especially this season) once the show is off the air. I wonder how they'll be remembered.

[SD.]

the parts where Amy was helping sheldon were to me a little lame

especially him calling her a sucker after closign the door

or whatever he said

 

really lame

so not the best episode

[BlackWhiteRose]

Really nice episode! Loved the Shamy! It was a great experiment by Amy. And I laughed as Sheldon did it again but then by himself
So cool, Leonard loves Buffy The Vampire Slayer! And Sheldon seemes to like it too. I love the show Buffy The Vampire Slayer a lot I`m such a fan of it so I understood Leonard´s passion for it. But I thought Penny at least thought that she liked Angel  I mean he´s hot! Seriously I don`t care that Penny didn`t go for Buffy. I thought Penny is passioned about shoes.
The Howard/Raj scenes were solid. Raj has such a cute dog
OMG hopefuly Sheldon will tell Amy he loves here awwwwwwwww that would be so sweet

[vasu]

I thought some of the not so much fans of recent developments in show would use the irony of the following comment to mock TBBT

 

Heroes' gradually lowered the quality season by season till we were grateful it ended.         

[Guest DroneInTheSun]

And those of us who still love TBBT are hoping a movie à la Firefly or a comic book series à la Buffy.

[mjc45]

extra points for buffy reference (big fan).

 

liked amy physical contact remark, look

live she was ready to jump him.

 

loved penny remark about being

passionate about leonard, over dinner

 

like old times --howard+raj. trying to

help with lucy

[Stephen Hawking]

Just noticed something

Take a close look at the white board, after Sheldon redoes the tic-tac-toe, after Amy has left.

Now, look at the tic-tac-toe game, in the very last scene.

It's different.

It's like the earth moon chalk drawing, in Apollo 13.

Edited July 10, 2016 by Stephen Hawking

[BlackWhiteRose]

Really?

I have to watch the episode again.

Damn *LOL*

[Stephen Hawking]

Did anyone else notice that, after Sheldon made the remark about having a need build up inside you, with no opportunity for release, and just before Amy says "Yeah, sounds like a drag", she glances at his crotch?

Edited May 19, 2015 by Stephen Hawking

[3ku11]

I rewatched this episode. My god Sheldon was awful to Amy LOL. And I remember the whole he told Penny he loves her before Amy technically. To be fair Sheldon diddn't care at that point. I did like the storyline with Lenny, trying to get Penny to like Buffy haha. I do remember ppl said ti was kinda depressing Penny giving up on her dreams. But On the same accord, it was the first time she started to deconstruct her self actulization. And embrace her reality with Leonard. I always Felt she was looking for that strong guy too look after her. Due to ehr relationship with her Father. Same Leonard was always looking for that women to show him unconditional love. In a way Leonard and Penny both found that in each other. Leonard ain't a strong, tall guy. But in a crazy way, he kinda is her knight in shining armour. I could relate to this episode, as I have severe closure issues just like Sheldon. And What Sheldon did, is exactly whtat I would do .

Edited July 10, 2016 by 3ku11