Episodes 6.24 The Bon Voyage Reaction (May 16)

[annieogly]

Hmm one of the Shennys from the other place, had the notion that Leonard will return a la Friends with a girlfriend/fiancee from his trip. Alex was there for a reason, conflict, but the writers changed that  arc, I wonder now if it will come in the fall.....

[Nogravitasatall]

it is a pretty blank canvas at the moment so it is possible to imagine anything and they have wound up many other staples. I'd choke on my cornflakes if they did that, but i'm a skeptic on them stabbing L/P again.

[BangerMain]

Hmm one of the Shennys from the other place, had the notion that Leonard will return a la Friends with a girlfriend/fiancee from his trip. Alex was there for a reason, conflict, but the writers changed that  arc, I wonder now if it will come in the fall.....

 

There is no upside for the writers to undue all the bonding work that they did on L/P in season 6. They have them on the verge of being married, so Leonard suddenly rejecting Penny would be a WTF moment that would cause fury in TBBT fan base and endanger those spectacular ratings.

 

Also the Lenny-in-Cheif, Steve Molero, would have had to have been kidnapped over the summer

Edited May 8, 2013 by BangerMain

[carl1970]

Hmm one of the Shennys from the other place, had the notion that Leonard will return a la Friends with a girlfriend/fiancee from his trip. Alex was there for a reason, conflict, but the writers changed that  arc, I wonder now if it will come in the fall.....

 

Oh Annieogly you are so funny.

 

Ross and Rachel weren't in a relationship when that happened, L/P are and they romantically love each other.

[sarah7]

Oh my, Chrismo, when did I mention Lennys? I said "of all the fandoms I've been part of (or witnessed)", I was not speaking exclusively of TBBT, I don't know why you felt alluded. I have no problem with Lennys (why should I?) or an entire faction just because of the ship they follow. I have several friends who are Lenny. The only reason I don't hang out with fans of a directly opposing ship to mine and I've even entered in arguments with them, is because I've never met someone I could get along with, due to extreme incompatibility of points of view, not because I hate them all just because of their shipping preferences.

 

 

And, Moonbase, I've never said Shamys were the best shipper faction ever, neither I was comparing the TBBT shipper groups and putting us all above the others, as I told Chrismo, I was merely stating a personal observation based on my experience in several fandoms. If you are not impressed by the conversation in our thread is okay, that's your appreciation. Personally, I've read great analysis and insight, not only here, but also in other forums.

 

I agree we tend to be perhaps too passionate for the taste of some people, also, that we are very protective of our ship and characters, but I think (this is an explanation, not an excuse) it derivates from the fact there used to be a lot of hate and bashing towards them (specially Amy) at the beggining. Chrismo mentioned one of the Shamys stating she hates Kaley/Penny, well, imagine being a fan and finding, not one, but several hurtful and demeaning comments all around. Lennys, remember there had been a lot of hate directed to Leonard, could get tiring.

 

That said, what I find amusing, is that outsiders just fixates in the probable argument they had with one or two Shamys and don't care about anything else, they walk around carrying a "Shamys are scaryyyyyyy" sign, and, please, don't play innocent, we need two to start a fight, one must recognize when writing a controversial opinion and then don't feel suprised if there's backlash.

 

As some other members had stated, I'm mainly miffed over generalisation.

 

And a generalisation I also extremely disagree with is: "canon ships are easy", I'm not saying it was your intention Moonbase (don't feel attacked, please), but you had just raised up a point with wich we get insulted a lot, calling us "unimaginative" and "conformists". Since when is it a sin to like what is written the way it's written? why are we called "lazy" just for the fact we are not interested in pairing an elephant with a cheetah and we prefer to analyse the intrincacies of the relationship of a couple of members of the same species?

 

You may don't like them in this very moment, but you have stated you used to support Shamy, and they had been canon since the introduction of Amy, what did you like about them back then? You must had found something interesting about them.

 

IMHO, Shamy is an interesting couple, canon or non canon, that's why I like them, I'm sure I'd ship them even if they weren't planned as a romantic couple, and, as you can see, that doesn't mean I totally LOVE everything about the way they are handled.

[Chrismo]

Oh my, Chrismo, when did I mention Lennys? I said "of all the fandoms I've been part of (or witnessed)", I was not speaking exclusively of TBBT, I don't know why you felt alluded. I have no problem with Lennys (why should I?) or an entire faction just because of the ship they follow. I have several friends who are Lenny. The only reason I don't hang out with fans of a directly opposing ship to mine and I've even entered in arguments with them, is because I've never met someone I could get along with, due to extreme incompatibility of points of view, not because I hate them all just because of their shipping preferences.

 

 

And, Moonbase, I've never said Shamys were the best shipper faction ever, neither I was comparing the TBBT shipper groups and putting us all above the others, as I told Chrismo, I was merely stating a personal observation based on my experience in several fandoms. If you are not impressed by the conversation in our thread is okay, that's your appreciation. Personally, I've read great analysis and insight, not only here, but also in other forums.

 

I agree we tend to be perhaps too passionate for the taste of some people, also, that we are very protective of our ship and characters, but I think (this is an explanation, not an excuse) it derivates from the fact there used to be a lot of hate and bashing towards them (specially Amy) at the beggining. Chrismo mentioned one of the Shamys stating she hates Kaley/Penny, well, imagine being a fan and finding, not one, but several hurtful and demeaning comments all around. Lennys, remember there had been a lot of hate directed to Leonard, could get tiring.

 

That said, what I find amusing, is that outsiders just fixates in the probable argument they had with one or two Shamys and don't care about anything else, they walk around carrying a "Shamys are scaryyyyyyy" sign, and, please, don't play innocent, we need two to start a fight, one must recognize when writing a controversial opinion and then don't feel suprised if there's backlash.

 

As some other members had stated, I'm mainly miffed over generalisation.

 

And a generalisation I also extremely disagree with is: "canon ships are easy", I'm not saying it was your intention Moonbase (don't feel attacked, please), but you had just raised up a point with wich we get insulted a lot, calling us "unimaginative" and "conformists". Since when is it a sin to like what is written the way it's written? why are we called "lazy" just for the fact we are not interested in pairing an elephant with a cheetah and we prefer to analyse the intrincacies of the relationship of a couple of members of the same species?

 

 

 

IMHO, Shamy is an interesting couple, canon or non canon, that's why I like them, I'm sure I'd ship them even if they weren't planned as a romantic couple, and, as you can see, that doesn't mean I totally LOVE everything about the way they are handled.

I'm not sure why the Shamy and Lenny are opposing ships. Like their enemies? Isn't it all the same show? If my generalization is not about you why are you miffed? A little sensitive? I'm not sure who's called Shamys "unimaginative" and "comformists". I haven't seen that but I don't doubt you. I like Amy and Sheldon but IMHO their not that interesting as a couple and in someways insulting to Amy. Thats why there is an Amy doormat forum. I don't believe that's a Lenny that started that. What I don't understand, and this is for example purposes, if both of us have the same negative comment about the Shamy, I will get the backlash and you won't.

[Moonbase]

 

And, Moonbase, I've never said Shamys were the best shipper faction ever, neither I was comparing the TBBT shipper groups and putting us all above the others, as I told Chrismo, I was merely stating a personal observation based on my experience in several fandoms. If you are not impressed by the conversation in our thread is okay, that's your appreciation. Personally, I've read great analysis and insight, not only here, but also in other forums.

 

I agree we tend to be perhaps too passionate for the taste of some people, also, that we are very protective of our ship and characters, but I think (this is an explanation, not an excuse) it derivates from the fact there used to be a lot of hate and bashing towards them (specially Amy) at the beggining. Chrismo mentioned one of the Shamys stating she hates Kaley/Penny, well, imagine being a fan and finding, not one, but several hurtful and demeaning comments all around. Lennys, remember there had been a lot of hate directed to Leonard, could get tiring.

 

That said, what I find amusing, is that outsiders just fixates in the probable argument they had with one or two Shamys and don't care about anything else, they walk around carrying a "Shamys are scaryyyyyyy" sign, and, please, don't play innocent, we need two to start a fight, one must recognize when writing a controversial opinion and then don't feel suprised if there's backlash.

 

As some other members had stated, I'm mainly miffed over generalisation.

 

And a generalisation I also extremely disagree with is: "canon ships are easy", I'm not saying it was your intention Moonbase (don't feel attacked, please), but you had just raised up a point with wich we get insulted a lot, calling us "unimaginative" and "conformists". Since when is it a sin to like what is written the way it's written? why are we called "lazy" just for the fact we are not interested in pairing an elephant with a cheetah and we prefer to analyse the intrincacies of the relationship of a couple of members of the same species?

 

You may don't like them in this very moment, but you have stated you used to support Shamy, and they had been canon since the introduction of Amy, what did you like about them back then? You must had found something interesting about them.

 

IMHO, Shamy is an interesting couple, canon or non canon, that's why I like them, I'm sure I'd ship them even if they weren't planned as a romantic couple, and, as you can see, that doesn't mean I totally LOVE everything about the way they are handled.

 

All ships think that their allies are the best, it's human nature. Although, I find it a little odd that you don't have friends who are not 'on your team'. You can't be serious? I have friends who don't even watch the show! I have friends who like all kinds of combos. Makes no difference to me.

Other the last few months people are being told off here, like they are at school. If they say something not deemed entirely positive, especially if it may be considered threatening to shamy. Its becoming quite bizarre. I feel like I'm in the naughty group.

Yes, I do remember when Amy was hated. She got lynched over the ambiguous comments towards Penny. If you remember, I was one of those fighting her corner. So, I can understand the shamy's being protective. We are all protective about the things we love on this show. The truth is though, Amy is perfectly safe. Its the things I care about most, which are most at threat. So these subject will come up, even when I leave the forum. There will always be someone else.

 

Yes I did like shamy, I even did a comic strip for them when it was announced about Amy's 4 year plan (I got it wrong, I thought it was going to be 5 year). A few of the new shamys, might not have seen it...

 

[queuetee]

OMG are you talented, Moonbase.!!!!!

[AdorkablyMe]

I cannot believe the finale is just over a week away.  Weeeeeird

[Moonbase]

OMG are you talented, Moonbase.!!!!!

 

Thanks, but it pretty much copied from screenshots and colouring in the stuff I can't draw.

[ArmyGirl]

Season 6 is almost over and the wait begins for Season 7.

[sarah7]

I'm not sure why the Shamy and Lenny are opposing ships. Like their enemies? Isn't it all the same show? If my generalization is not about you why are you miffed? A little sensitive? I'm not sure who's called Shamys "unimaginative" and "comformists". I haven't seen that but I don't doubt you. I like Amy and Sheldon but IMHO their not that interesting as a couple and in someways insulting to Amy. Thats why there is an Amy doormat forum. I don't believe that's a Lenny that started that. What I don't understand, and this is for example purposes, if both of us have the same negative comment about the Shamy, I will get the backlash and you won't.

 

Is my English that bad?

 

First, Chrismo, I never said Lennys and Shamys are opposing ships. NEVER. I was surprised you felt alluded because none (I repeat; NONE) of my messages was directed to Lennys. Is it clear enough now?

 

Second, not everything in my post was directed to you, I mentioned your username specifically in the moments when it was pertinent. I don't remember if you especifically had called Shamys names or something of the sort, I'm not fighting to you. When I talk about generalisation I mean, if someone comes and says: "All Shamys are annoying/beautiful/exasperating/intelligent", doesn't matter if I actually am or feel annoying/beautiful/exasperating/intelligent or not, I'm a Shamy, so, I feel alluded, and I think I'm allowed to react accordingly, flattered or offended, that's it. Is it clear now?

 

And regarding the backlash, well, you could be right to an extent, but  I think every situation is different, and it has a lot to do with the tone, If an opposing opinion is expressed agressively (Clarification: I don't remember all your posts, I'm NOT acussing YOU of being aggresive, it's just a general observation again, ok?), it tends to get more backlash than one expressed in a calmer tone.

 

For instance, as a Lenny, if you read:

 

1. "I don't like Lenny, their personalities don't match. I think they could be better apart"

 

2. "Leonard and Penny are awful together, Penny is a slut and Leonard is an stupid, needy dwarf"

 

Both are opposing,  both are in their right to be expressed, But wich one do you think could get angrier responses?

 

Of course, there could also be overreaction over a calm opposing opinion, but, as I told you, every case is different.

 

All ships think that their allies are the best, it's human nature. Although, I find it a little odd that you don't have friends who are not 'on your team'. You can't be serious? I have friends who don't even watch the show! I have friends who like all kinds of combos. Makes no difference to me.

Other the last few months people are being told off here, like they are at school. If they say something not deemed entirely positive, especially if it may be considered threatening to shamy. Its becoming quite bizarre. I feel like I'm in the naughty group.

 

 

Honey, of course I have friends "out of my team"!, I also have a life outside the show, you know?

 

Why did you understand my post as if I were saying my only friends in the world  are Shamys?  I was just saying that, inside the TBBT fandom universe (specifically) I know people who claim to have a lot of friends in every shipper faction (as you just have), well, I have Shamy friends (obvs), Lenny friends, I-don't-give-a-crap-about-ships friends, etc. but I'm just honestly saying I have never been able to make friends so far (I'm not ruling out the possibility forever) with an opposing ship member because our views tend to clash all the time, not because I think they are in the wrong and I'm in the right, but because there had been much animosity between us. I've tried to reason with the ones I've come across (no, I haven't met all of them yet ), but seeing there is no compatibility, I prefer to stay apart instead or fighting. Is it clear now?

 

Oh, and I've seen your comic, I even saved it! but I didn't clearly remember it was yours. Congrats!

Edited May 8, 2013 by sarah7

[MJistheBOMB]

just, fyi. i dont have a problem with anyones opinion of the show, or shamy but i have a problem with people insulting people on here and grouping us together and insulting us, it's rude.

 

 

It's getting old. Seems to be a growing trend around here. I can't even go into a thread any more without reading something about "the Shamys" like we all did the action the person is speaking of. If you don't agree with someone, then tell them. Why does "the Shamys" card have to be thrown out there? Anyone who does this is basically giving the okay to go hate on a group of people and that's not cool. If I started posting things like, "Oh, you better watch out, it's a Lenny...." or "You know how those Lennys are..." people would be on my ass in a heart beat. LOL. By doing that, I would be promoting that it's okay to behave like this just because they are Lennys and more people would catch onto it and start the mocking just like what I see is being done to the Shamys. This is wrong.

 

I don't care if you don't like Amy, if you think Sheldon is acting like an ass lately or you miss seasons 1 through 3 before the other girls came on. That's fine. I only have issues with those who feel the need to attack me because I like Sheldon & Amy together ("the above post is exhibit A of what the show is catering to" is what was said about me the moment I joined) or group me with some people who are doing things that I have never done to anyone (I went into another thread where a comment was made about Shamys policing the forum. Really? because I rarely go into other threads because of being accused of doing things that I'm not because I'm a Shamy). 

 

It's getting to a point where I see people actually fishing for trouble by posting certain comments that they KNOW certain Shamys will respond to in a negative way so that they in turn can have a little fun with it by mocking an entire group of people. I see RIGHT THROUGH people like that. I end up losing respect for people who actually seemed cool when I first joined. 

 

Thank you to all the forum members who don't feel the need to group us all together like that. I appreciate it

Edited May 9, 2013 by MJistheBOMB

[Moonbase]

Honey, of course I have friends "out of my team"!, I also have a life outside the show, you know?

 

Why did you understand my post as if I were saying my only friends in the world  are Shamys?  I was just saying that, inside the TBBT fandom universe (specifically) I know people who claim to have a lot of friends in every shipper faction (as you just have), well, I have Shamy friends (obvs), Lenny friends, I-don't-give-a-crap-about-ships friends, etc. but I'm just honestly saying I have never been able to make friends so far (I'm not ruling out the possibility forever) with an opposing ship member because our views tend to clash all the time, not because I think they are in the wrong and I'm in the right, but because there had been much animosity between us. I've tried to reason with the ones I've come across (no, I haven't met all of them yet ), but seeing there is no compatibility, I prefer to stay apart instead or fighting. Is it clear now?

 

Oh, and I've seen your comic, I even saved it! but I didn't clearly remember it was yours. Congrats!

 

Yes that's clear.

You said that 'outsiders' fixate on an argument they have had with one or two shamys, but this goes both ways. Shamys fixate on an arguments they had with of one or two 'outsiders' ….as you call us. I don't think that's going to change personally.

I only said canon is easier than non-canon because the material is there. That is just logic, it was not a dig. I stand by that one.

[Chrismo]

You said that 'outsiders' fixate on an argument they have had with one or two shamys, but this goes both ways. Shamys fixate on an arguments they had with of one or two 'outsiders' ….as you call us.

 

Good luck getting an agreement on that point.

[rachelshamyfan]

That's excellent moonbase

[Guest DroneInTheSun]

 

 

 

This is very sweet and funny, thanks for sharing! Is there a part 1 (since it says 2 at the top)?

[Moonbase]

This is very sweet and funny, thanks for sharing! Is there a part 1 (since it says 2 at the top)?

 

No, there are 3 strips but the others are not shamy based. I was going to do one for Bernadette, might do it over the hiatus if I get bored.

[Guest DroneInTheSun]

Would you mind sharing the other strips as well, please? Who cares that there's no Shamy, this is really well done! I understand if you don't want to though.

[bigbangsheldon]

Chrismo, exactly what you said is what I don't like happening. I'm not sure if you were agreeing or not.

 

Then I'd say demonstrate that they are rogue agents. Maybe don't bite on generalisations. I may be specifically a douche (hate that word) and I may favour L/P but not all who favour L/P are douches. I was asked to top myself by one who identifies as a shamy but I don't really think all the shamy cohort want me to top myself. But it happened and I took it personally. Then I see other aggression s being played out and I generalise myself, but I'm trying to stop.

Maybe think Ghandi. Or forgive and move on.

And I like Amy and laugh at Sheldon. I just think he goes too far sometimes and has overstepped without consequence at times. It's just an opinion, not a life threatening statement.

i will bite on generalizations because they are the worst, i dont want to be generalized as something i am not. lots of people have been generalizing us lately and i have had enough, you don't know how it feels. 

[Moonbase]

Would you mind sharing the other strips as well, please? Who cares that there's no Shamy, this is really well done! I understand if you don't want to though.

 

I put them on a different thread, called Creativity Section. There were during the last hiatus. A bit of silliness about his space trip...

Edited May 8, 2013 by Moonbase

[Guest DroneInTheSun]

*grabs shovel and starts digging in the deep corners of the forum*

[CaitAmber]

 

 

I know I'm a tad late, but Moonbase that is amazing! Even if you did just copy screenshots, the dialog is so in character!  

 

PS - Losty, when your digging pays off and you find the other strips - be a lamb and post the link here? 

[phantagrae]

Wow, lots of discussion not really related to the episode, but I can take a little off-topic conversation...

 

I always wonder why anyone has to attack, generalize or scorn any of the Shamy shippers--or Lenny shippers, or Howardettes or whoever.  I do look at the Shenny shippers in a different light, though, I have to admit, because it just makes so dang little sense when looking at what is actually onscreen (as opposed to what you wish was onscreen...)

 

At any rate, I don't understand any kind of "us against them" business between fans of different pairs (canon pairs) because they're not in competition as far as the show goes, though I suppose more time may be spent on one couple or the other at any given moment.

 

I think that one aspect of the Shamy enthusiasm these days is that there have been a lot of ups and downs this season and some significant developments between SHeldon and Amy.  There's a lot to talk about, a lot to worry about, for some people, and a lot to be enthusiastic about.

 

For the Lennys there have been years of ups and downs and things to talk about and worry about and be enthusiastic about.  I love all the characters and I'm pulling for Lenny and Howardette and even Raj and whomever he might end up with.  I love happy endings all around.  I may not go into the Lenny thread and discuss that ship, but that doesn't mean that I have anything against them.  I loved Penny's ILY and the significance of it and of their subsequent relationship developments.

 

But I don't have anything to say one way or another about the people who love or may fuss over that ship.  I don't even know which of us on these boards are Lennys or anything else.  What difference does it make who likes Shamy or Lenny or anyone else?  I'm not opposed to anyone over who they ship.

 

But if someone comes along and starts maligning Shamys as a group or making broad generalizations and saying that we all do this or think that or say this or whatever, just because the poster may have experienced something at the hands of one person, or may have encountered less than enthusiastic reactions over a particular point, then yes, I get kind of frustrated or annoyed.

 

I do think that some people deliberately say things that they know are provocative so that they can get a rise out of someone and then use that to paint the group (whichever group is involved) with one broad brush.

Yeah, I know there are individuals on these boards who hate this character/actor or that character/actor.  I may or may not comment when someone says something like that.  Sometimes it ain't worth the juice.

But, yeah, if someone rags on Sheldon or makes a comment I think doesn't mesh with what is on the show, or gripes about Jim Parsons, I'm more likely to react because Jim/Sheldon is my favorite character/actor and the one I pay most attention to.

 

We all have our favorites--actors/characters/ships/aspects--or we probably wouldn't bother being here to talk.  So why do we have to fight about each other's enthusiasms?

 

I know that some people think that the beginning of the relationships is some kind of sign of the apocalypse, but since there's no going back, I guess that issue is going to be continually brought up in certain quarters.

 

I would just like to be able to enjoy what I enjoy and talk about what I enjoy without having people feel compelled to come along and make generalizations about me that are likely not true.

 

If someone gives you a hard time about some statement you made once upon a time, then call that person out if you must.  If you feel you were picked on by the whole group, my thought is always, "Chapter and Verse"--show me the post and the reactions.  But bear in mind that sometimes, as was pointed out above, the way one states something will often dictate the reactions of others.

 

All this to say, why can't we just get along?

[phantagrae]

Hmm one of the Shennys from the other place, had the notion that Leonard will return a la Friends with a girlfriend/fiancee from his trip. Alex was there for a reason, conflict, but the writers changed that  arc, I wonder now if it will come in the fall.....

 

Why would they do that?  Just because someone who wants Leonard and Penny to break up (so that Penny will be free to run into the unwelcoming arms of Sheldon, I suppose) doesn't mean that that's what the writers intend.

There's nothing to be gained by breaking up the central ship and even if they did decide to throw some kind of conflict/issue in there (and I don't think there's any hint that they want to do such a thing) I think that the ultimate goal will always be to bring them back together stronger than ever.