Episodes 6.24 The Bon Voyage Reaction (May 16)

[sarah7]

I only said canon is easier than non-canon because the material is there. That is just logic, it was not a dig. I stand by that one.

 

Hmmm, no, I don't agree.

 

I think couples are interesting/not interesting per se, (and, obviously, it depends of the subjetive appreciation of each person of them) not because they are canon or not.

 

Let's say a largerly loved non-canon pairing (one of those wich that just exudes chemistry and have had a lot of ardent supporters for years.....like Howard/Penny ) one day becomes canon, does it stop being interesting then?, I mean, they are canon now, so easy and boring!

 

I could also get back at your statement and say fanon couples have things easy, because they don't have to deal with "reality".

I mean, as an example, those who want Sheldon paired with Penny, in their fics or fantasies, they always assume Sheldon will easily fall for Penny and will want to get physical with her, instantly, she will be "the one", despite all his previous story. Why exactly? I don't know! maybe for the "magic" of love?

 

Meanwhile, we, canon shippers have to deal with and endure the "reality" of the show, wich means Sheldon's resistance to, let alone get physical with Amy, (wich, by the way, personally has never been the ultimate goal for me as a shipper) but to be moderately affectionate with her and get used to his role of boyfriend, and this is not just because "they don't work as a couple", but because, taking aside the exaggeration of Sheldon's faults, it must be that way, Sheldon has been constructed for years in a way, he is not going to dramatically change overnight, no matter how much he deep inside cares for the girl in question.

 

I remember someone saying time ago she found most of Shamy fics "depressing", well, that's it, we canon shippers have two options: forget everything canon is telling us and make up a romantic fantasies, or take the facts and make them work as close to "reality" as possible, according to this, seems like most ficcers take the hard road.

 

You may tell me that, at the end, we will most likely get compensation, meanwhile the others will have to get their fix in fics alone, but that's the notion we have to accept since the beginning when we are fanon shippers (and I've been one once, thankfully, lots of fun, no drama at all then ), but, as I told you before, I'm not here just for the final result, so I'm a demanding canon shipper.

 

So, let's just agree in disagree?

Edited May 8, 2013 by sarah7

[Moonbase]

Hmmm, no, I don't agree.

 

I think couples are interesting/not interesting per se, (and, obviously, it depends of the subjetive appreciation of each person of them) not because they are canon or not.

 

Let's say a largerly loved non-canon pairing (one of those wich that just exudes chemistry and have had a lot of ardent supporters for years.....like Howard/Penny ) one day becomes canon, does it stop being interesting then?, I mean, they are canon now, so easy and boring!

 

I could also get back at your statement and say fanon couples have things easy, because they don't have to deal with "reality".

I mean, as an example, those who want Sheldon paired with Penny, in their fics or fantasies, they always assume Sheldon will easily fall for Penny and will want to get physical with her, instantly, she will be "the one", despite all his previous story. Why exactly? I don't know! maybe for the "magic" of love?

 

Meanwhile, we, canon shippers have to deal with and endure the "reality" of the show, wich means Sheldon's resistance to, let alone get physical with Amy, (wich, by the way, personally has never been the ultimate goal for me as a shipper) but to be moderately affectionate with her and get used to his role of boyfriend, and this is not just because "they don't work as a couple", but because, taking aside the exaggeration of Sheldon's faults, it must be that way, Sheldon has been constructed for years in a way, he is not going to dramatically change overnight, no matter how much he deep inside cares for the girl in question.

 

I remember someone saying time ago she found most of Shamy fics "depressing", well, that's it, we canon shippers have two options: forget everything canon is telling us and make up a romantic fantasies, or take the facts and make them work as close to "reality" as possible, according to this, seems like most ficcers take the hard road.

 

You may tell me that, at the end, we will most likely get compensation, meanwhile the others will have to get their fix in fics alone, but that's the notion we have to accept since the beginning when we are fanon shippers (and I've been one once, thankfully, lots of fun, no drama at all then ), but, as I told you before, I'm not here just for the final result, so I'm a demanding canon shipper.

 

So, let's just agree in disagree?

 

Ummmm…

 

...every episode where Amy and Sheldon speak is another seed, which can be planted for a story. It literally gives you the backbone on a plate. You also have dialogue which has actually aired. Using a similar template, it's not that difficult to recreate your own story and make it sound like them. There's also the fact they have a lot scenes together which creates likely scenarios. These two are going in a very definite direction, writing a conclusion just takes a bit of creative flare to make the extra push. I expect an explosive of stories over the hiatus, maybe even some members here will be writing.

[Nogravitasatall]

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Fair enough that you want to respond generally. However, if members of a group characterise themselves as "us" and respond on behalf of "us" and then remark when others interact negatively with say another member who had also identified as "us" that that other member is not speaking as one of "us", then I get dizzy and have to lie down.

I really wish everyone well and just want unicorns and rainbows too. And no meanness. I'm just bad at saying it. And I have ranted before about labels in general. (Penny got labelled).

(This just made me think of Howard, the other astronauts and Bernadette's advice to Howard, which I don't think she would follow herself. Not even sure if that apropos)

Eta took out first bit because I misunderstood you. Funny that. No idea how that happens. Sorry.

Edited May 8, 2013 by Nogravitasatall

[sarah7]

Ummmm…

 

...every episode where Amy and Sheldon speak is another seed, which can be planted for a story. It literally gives you the backbone on a plate. You also have dialogue which has actually aired. Using a similar template, it's not that difficult to recreate your own story and make it sound like them. There's also the fact they have a lot scenes together which creates likely scenarios. These two are going in a very definite direction, writing a conclusion just takes a bit of creative flare to make the extra push. I expect an explosive of stories over the hiatus, maybe even some members here will be writing.

 

Now it's me the one who doesn't understand, what are you at? are you laughing at me, or with me?

 

And the other characters doesn't spend time together at all? what you said about "planting seeds", isn't it part of any fiction? even those which have big surprises or tuns at the end, after the initial surprise, you have to see it in retrospective and you will find said "seeds", otherwise, you have a deux-ex-machina.

 

Even if you want to write non-canon, you have to take those seeds you are mentioning into account in order to make things believable, but if what you mean is you want something that ignores canon at all, well, that's different.

[Moonbase]

Now it's me the one who doesn't understand, what are you at? are you laughing at me, or with me?

 

And the other characters doesn't spend time together at all? what you said about "planting seeds", isn't it part of any fiction? even those which have big surprises or tuns at the end, after the initial surprise, you have to see it in retrospective and you will find said "seeds", otherwise, you have a deux-ex-machina.

 

Even if you want to write non-canon, you have to take those seeds you are mentioning into account in order to make things believable, but if what you mean is you want something that ignores canon at all, well, that's different.

 

Not   at you. At the last question you wrote...'So, let's just agree in disagree?'. 

 

I replied so that was a .

 

But let's just agree in disagree now?

[annieogly]

 

Why would they do that?  Just because someone who wants Leonard and Penny to break up (so that Penny will be free to run into the unwelcoming arms of Sheldon, I suppose) doesn't mean that that's what the writers intend.

There's nothing to be gained by breaking up the central ship and even if they did decide to throw some kind of conflict/issue in there (and I don't think there's any hint that they want to do such a thing) I think that the ultimate goal will always be to bring them back together stronger than ever.

 

They break them up just to get them back together again, giving romcon fans seasons of material just like Ross and Rachel in Friends ; that was the central point of the Shenny shippers remark.

[sarah7]

Not   at you. At the last question you wrote...'So, let's just agree in disagree?'. 

 

I replied so that was a .

 

But let's just agree in disagree now?

 

Actually, not. I want to keep arguing......

 

Just kidding, agree

[Pomita]

Nice to see we're all agreeing in disagreeing now.

[phantagrae]

They break them up just to get them back together again, giving romcon fans seasons of material just like Ross and Rachel in Friends ; that was the central point of the Shenny shippers remark.

But since you don't know that that's what's going to happen, why use the supposition to condemn the show?

[annieogly]

But since you don't know that that's what's going to happen, why use the supposition to condemn the show?

 

I'm not. I liked the show in the fall: I find the spring show unfunny & vapid. It's pure romcom of the Friends type and that's how those types of shows keep the tension. Look at 'How I Met Your Mother', same thing it's a cliche & with the Bernadette-Howard baby talk unless the writers change direction in the fall that's a reasonable expectation.

[Moonbase]

I'm not. I liked the show in the fall: I find the spring show unfunny & vapid. It's pure romcom of the Friends type and that's how those types of shows keep the tension. Look at 'How I Met Your Mother', same thing it's a cliche & with the Bernadette-Howard baby talk unless the writers change direction in the fall that's a reasonable expectation.

 

I have to say, I liked the fall shows better.

 

But I'm really interested to see what they throw at us for the finale. It might get us an impression of whats coming next season.

[rubyanjel]

Hey, skipping over you guys' discussion to give a sneak peek for next week's episode.

[ArmyGirl]

Thanks Rubyanjel for the clip.

 

All I have to say is interesting and not in a good way.

[BazingaFan]

Thank you for the clip.  I always love sheldon and penny interaction.  That was cute and funny.

Edited May 9, 2013 by BazingaFan

[phantagrae]

Thanks for the clip--love it. :D <--toothpaste commercial smile.

[Pomita]

Thanks for the clip. Sheldon/Penny scenes are always a delight. 'No wonder you didn't get that toothpaste commercial'.

 

Isn't this a lesson Sheldon is already supposed to have learned, when he had to do the horrific smile for Raj? Now that might get him a toothpaste commercial.

[Lissie]

Nice to see we're all agreeing in disagreeing now.

I completely agree  :)

[Lissie]

I am so happy to see that now everybody is discussing/arguing about your/our diferences in a nice way and not being rude/attacking others!! Of course we all have different opinions and it is not possible we all will see the show in the same way!! And that is GOOD, this make this site very interesting

I completely agree about we cannot put people "in the same bag" (shamy, shenny, haters, lovers, etc) The best example is myself: I am in between/part of all those "groups" , some things I like , some I dislike, sometimes I agree, sometimes I disagree...

Thank you guys, I LOVE YOU ALL  

[tmp]

That's the same shirt he wore in the pilot.  Probably not a coincidence, but I'm not sure what it would mean.

[hamerman55]

The clip with Penny and Sheldon shopping reminds me of the first season, when Sheldon had been fired (a favorite of mine as it was the first appearance of Mary Cooper). Penny seems so mature now.

[tmp]

I like to watch Jim/Sheldon going up the stairs...

 

Color me shocked. 

[Moonbase]

That's the same shirt he wore in the pilot.  Probably not a coincidence, but I'm not sure what it would mean.

 

Good spot. He hasn't wore it since season 1 either. That's an old tee

Edited May 11, 2013 by Moonbase

[rubyanjel]

Another sneak peek. Fresh from the Press Express.

 

[koops]

Thanks Ruby! Nice to hear the backstory to the expedition since it was one of the things that bugged me. Maybe some of the physicists on here can explain to me how realistic it would be for Leonard to work on hydrodynamic simulations of black holes given that he works with lasers (and maybe how realistic it is that the experiments would be carried out in the middle of the sea?)? Would love to know more about this. 

[phantagrae]

Thanks Ruby! Nice to hear the backstory to the expedition since it was one of the things that bugged me. Maybe some of the physicists on here can explain to me how realistic it would be for Leonard to work on hydrodynamic simulations of black holes given that he works with lasers (and maybe how realistic it is that the experiments would be carried out in the middle of the sea?)? Would love to know more about this. 

 

Does Leonard only work with lasers?  I know that's what we've seen and heard, primarily, but Howard says that he'd be replacing another experimental physicist, so I wonder if it's some other aspect of his work that would qualify him for the expedition.

 

Dunno--I'm just a musician...