Episodes 6.24 The Bon Voyage Reaction (May 16)

[phantagrae]

Leonard and Penny have been having their alone time quite often lately in their private dinners at her place and it's not as if they haven't had time alone to discuss their relationship over the course of the show.

In the context of this story, they're taking Leonard to the airport to say goodbye and it makes sense that Sheldon would tag along to see his best friend off.  So he's their third wheel--he always will be to some extent.  Maybe the writers didn't want a big teary goodbye scene.  I mean, why didn't Penny park the car and go in with Leonard to say her goodbyes in the airport rather than in her car?

Since it's a comedy, they went for a comedic scene for the goodbye.

 

I don't think there has to be some kind of "shipper war" of "Lennys vs Shamys".  It's not a competition.

Leonard and Penny have had time an scenes over the course of the show to explore the ups and downs of their relationship and it's gotten to a good, mature, peaceful place.

Sheldon and Amy are still taking baby steps and their relationship is so different from the other couples (and even from Raj) in that they didn't fall into bed as they began dating.  The moments they have like the one last week are relatively rare--serious, relationship-focused discussions.

 

I don't think that the goodbye scene in the car with their overgrown child in the back seat in any way diminishes the feelings that Leonard and Penny express to each other in that moment.

Edited May 14, 2013 by phantagrae

[koops]

I never said they did.Just a curious question though. Would you have made that comment if it had been Sheldon and Amy in the front seat and Penny in the back seat?

 

Of course. It's still the writers decision. Doesn't mean it's a good one. I was the first to mention that I thought it was silly not to give Lenny their private moment. Like Phanta says, why not have them go into the airport to say goodbye and leave Sheldon in the car panicking about being in the red zone? That would have been funny. Obviously I'm not invested in Lenny but that doesn't mean I can't recognize the right for Lenny fans to be upset if Sheldon in the car ruins the scene for them.

Edited May 14, 2013 by koops

[Tensor]

I gotta agree with Molly. The mood would be much too somber if Sheldon wasn't there. This show has a history of lightening up heavy emotional scenes. Think of Sheldon's comments when the gang was giving their versions of Howard's father's letter or the L/P ILY scene, when they talk about Leonard crying. While I appreciate the seriousness that comes with the character growth, this show is a comedy after all. And while the bedroom scene showed growth and had emotion, it appears to have been played lighter( I say appears as I havent seen the full L/P goodbye scene. From the clip, there looks like a lot of heavy emotion there.)

[rubyanjel]

I never said they did.Just a curious question though. Would you have made that comment if it had been Sheldon and Amy in the front seat and Penny in the back seat?

Well there was similar thing... the premiere of season 4 where Penny is third wheel and in the context of Shamy, she's interrupting their dinner and tagging along. But we all know that's not how it looks like to us.

[phantagrae]

I never said they did.Just a curious question though. Would you have made that comment if it had been Sheldon and Amy in the front seat and Penny in the back seat?

 

I don't think it's a clear comparison, because of the nature of the different characters and because there would hardly be an equivalent situation.

[phantagrae]

Well there was similar thing... the premiere of season 4 where Penny is third wheel and in the context of Shamy, she's interrupting their dinner and tagging along. But we all know that's not how it looks like to us.

 

I don't think she was interrupting their dinner or being a 3rd wheel since Sheldon made her take them out because he didn't have a car.  He really could have had Amy drive if he wanted privacy. I don't think he cared about privacy since he wasn't looking for a romantic date.

 

I think she would rather have not been there, but since she was, she was trying to help them have a somewhat normal date, trying to get them to talk, trying to bring up relevant topics of discussion.

 

She was more of a spare tire than a 3rd wheel.

[Guest DroneInTheSun]

Could you imagine the reaction if Leonard and/or Penny had interrupted the Shamy in the bedroom during the last episode? IMO there would be pages and pages of complaining on the forum(s).

 

 

Why exactly did you feel the need to make yet again another passive-agressive comment about us when you answer your own question? L/P did interrupt them, and let's not even talk about Leonard interrupting the Star Trek roleplay. Did we complain? No. Wvould we have had the right to? Yes. Would we have been mean towards Lenny fans because of it? I hardly think so, because in spite of what a lot of you believes, Shamy shippers do think and realise that other fans didn't write the scene.

 

There's really no need to direct your bitterness at anyone but the writers on this one, seriously.

[hamerman55]

First, and before it gets out of hand, this is not a shipper war. The shippers don't write the plots. Having not seen the full episode, it is hard to say what will actually show up. It makes sense to include the more outrageous scenes with Sheldon as he is the most over-the-top character, has no filter, and no problem intruding into moments that everyone else in the show would have better sense than to do. Further, Sheldon has a highly active fandom, and I suspect that many people not participating in this forum and therefore not investing in the characters  watch simply to see what crazy Sheldon will do this week. I doubt seriously that most of the 20 million people watching the show give a damn about the ships, and just want to see some laughs. I'm glad they are watching. This is a great show, and deserves their support as well as ours.

 

I just feel that from what I've seen so far, the goodbye scene in the car at the airport just seems wrong. Consider this. If last week Penny and Leonard had barged into Sheldon's room without knocking to demand that they return to finish D&D, (Yes, I know they did discreetly knock on the door and ask if everything was alright. Not the same as if they opened the door, walked in, ignored the moment and demanded something irrelevant. There is a difference). it would have been a similar level of intrusion into a touching scene. That would have been wrong too. Maybe the scene later with Raj balances it out. It just seems so odd. Leonard and Penny saying goodbye for four months, and Sheldon bellowing out the window of the car that of course they're not smuggling drugs. I guess the whole point is that deep down, and now more overtly, Sheldon is jealous of Leonard. He's got the girl, the collaboration with Hawking, and likely will get tenure based on that alone. Let's face it, I'd be a little jealous. That Sheldon isn't handling it with much grace is just Sheldon.

Edited May 14, 2013 by hamerman55

[koops]

As much as, like I said, I do understand why some might be upset by Sheldon's presence, Sheldon is shouting out of the window "They love each other!". You don't think that's a massive deal? That that's essentially the writers cementing in stone that Lenny DO love each other and it's clear as day and official and that TPTB are just using Sheldon as the announcer? Given that the whole season was centered around Penny's ILY, that line is not coincidental at all. That's how I took it. 

 

In any case, Sheldon has a girl. Why would he be jealous of Leonard for that??? 

Edited May 14, 2013 by koops

[Chrismo]

 

Why exactly did you feel the need to make yet again another passive-agressive comment about us when you answer your own question? L/P did interrupt them, and let's not even talk about Leonard interrupting the Star Trek roleplay. Did we complain? No. Wvould we have had the right to? Yes. Would we have been mean towards Lenny fans because of it? I hardly think so, because in spite of what a lot of you believes, Shamy shippers do think and realise that other fans didn't write the scene.

 

There's really no need to direct your bitterness at anyone but the writers on this one, seriously.

 

I was totaling commenting on what @ArmyGirl had said. Wasn't really trying to turn this into a Lenny/Shamy battle. @phantagrae and @koops didn't seem to have a problem with me. I didn't have a problem with what they said. You seem the only one turning this into a battle.

[Chrismo]

As much as, like I said, I do understand why some might be upset by Sheldon's presence, Sheldon is shouting out of the window "They love each other!". You don't think that's a massive deal? That that's essentially the writers cementing in stone that Lenny DO love each other and it's clear as day and official and that TPTB are just using Sheldon as the announcer? Given that the whole season was centered around Penny's ILY, that line is not coincidental at all. That's how I took it. 

 

In any case, Sheldon has a girl. Why would he be jealous of Leonard for that??? 

I agree with you on the girl part. Penny had already told Sheldon though that she loved Leonard. Sheldon shouting it out isn't that big a deal. Matter of fact I think many people rather have Penny saying it to Leonard alone.

[koops]

I agree with you on the girl part. Penny had already told Sheldon though that she loved Leonard. Sheldon shouting it out isn't that big a deal. Matter of fact I think many people rather have Penny saying it to Leonard alone.

 

I guess that's true. I just thought it's the first time it was stated out loud in this manner on the show, that I can recall, and by Sheldon of all people, who would never note something like that. I don't know, it just really stood out to me even back when I read the taping report. It has such a finality to it, like... they have reached the end of that particular drama, and they're moving on solidly to bigger things.

[AdorkablyMe]

Bittersweet feel goods always come with a season finale.  Definitely looking forward to this one!

[rubyanjel]

I don't think she was interrupting their dinner or being a 3rd wheel since Sheldon made her take them out because he didn't have a car.  He really could have had Amy drive if he wanted privacy. I don't think he cared about privacy since he wasn't looking for a romantic date.

 

I think she would rather have not been there, but since she was, she was trying to help them have a somewhat normal date, trying to get them to talk, trying to bring up relevant topics of discussion.

 

She was more of a spare tire than a 3rd wheel.

I was just trying to make a response since it was asked what if... I KNOW they're not the same thing but I guess I was not able to express what I wanted to say perfectly.

 

First, and before it gets out of hand, this is not a shipper war. The shippers don't write the plots. Having not seen the full episode, it is hard to say what will actually show up. It makes sense to include the more outrageous scenes with Sheldon as he is the most over-the-top character, has no filter, and no problem intruding into moments that everyone else in the show would have better sense than to do. Further, Sheldon has a highly active fandom, and I suspect that many people watch simply to see what crazy Sheldon will do this week. 

 

I just feel that from what I've seen so far, the goodbye scene in the car at the airport just seems wrong. Consider this. If last week Penny and Leonard had barged into Sheldon's room without knocking to demand that they return to finish D&D, it would have been a similar level of intrusion into a touching scene. That would have been wrong too. Maybe the scene later with Raj balances it out. It just seems so odd. Leonard and Penny saying goodbye for four months, and Sheldon bellowing out the window of the car that of course they're not smuggling drugs. I guess the whole point is that deep down, and now more overtly, Sheldon is jealous of Leonard. He's got the girl, the collaboration with Hawking, and likely will get tenure based on that alone. Let's face it, I'd be a little jealous. That Sheldon isn't handling it with much grace is just Sheldon.

 

What do you mean, "he's got the girl?" Are you saying he's jealous with Leonard FOR Penny? The scene here is that Sheldon was among with Penny and Leonard to accompany him to the airport. He was ANXIOUS that Penny move because they're on a red lane or something. Of course that's typical Sheldon. I would understand that he's envious of the Hawking project but I totally disagree with what you're trying to say there. That project has nothing to do with that scene of him "interrupting" them kissing. It's not like Sheldon was a hindrance for them to kiss, because they DID kiss. For me, it was like a little kid at the backseat while his parents are smooching.

[phantagrae]

I agree with you on the girl part. Penny had already told Sheldon though that she loved Leonard. Sheldon shouting it out isn't that big a deal. Matter of fact I think many people rather have Penny saying it to Leonard alone.

 

She's already said it to Leonard alone.  And he to her.

[Chrismo]

She's already said it to Leonard alone.  And he to her.

You're right. I think some people (including myself) want a mutual ILY. I don't think they have had that?

[phantagrae]

You're right. I think some people (including myself) want a mutual ILY. I don't think they have had that?

 

I think that the end of the VD episode was pretty much a mutual ILY.  They were talking about marriage proposals and everything else.  I don't think they need to have a big mutual, literal, "I love you!" "I love you, too!" moment to make it true or for them to know what they already know.

[Guest DroneInTheSun]

Also three episodes ago Penny essentially told Leonard that he mattered more to her than the fantasy actress life that has been defining her since high-school. That's a pretty strong statement.

[koops]

It might be redundant at this stage, but  it doesn't mean it won't be nice to have after the whole ILY drama that went on for years.  Especially given how many people have been waiting for one. And they will have one, it's bound to happen.

[hamerman55]

As much as, like I said, I do understand why some might be upset by Sheldon's presence, Sheldon is shouting out of the window "They love each other!". You don't think that's a massive deal? That that's essentially the writers cementing in stone that Lenny DO love each other and it's clear as day and official and that TPTB are just using Sheldon as the announcer? Given that the whole season was centered around Penny's ILY, that line is not coincidental at all. That's how I took it. 

 

In any case, Sheldon has a girl. Why would he be jealous of Leonard for that??? 

This is why I like this as a sounding board and a discussion forum. I didn't think of your point, and I agree that you are right. I simply didn't see it that way at first, but it is actually much better than I thought. It is a cool way for the writers to sum up the season. Thanks for pointing this out.

[Tensor]

It is a cool way for the writers to sum up the season. Thanks for pointing this out.

We interrupt this thread for a brief question,

hammerman, did you get my PM about the experiments?

We now return you to our regularly scheduled flamings.

[hamerman55]

I don't think she was interrupting their dinner or being a 3rd wheel since Sheldon made her take them out because he didn't have a car. He really could have had Amy drive if he wanted privacy. I don't think he cared about privacy since he wasn't looking for a romantic date.

I think she would rather have not been there, but since she was, she was trying to help them have a somewhat normal date, trying to get them to talk, trying to bring up relevant topics of discussion.

She was more of a spare tire than a 3rd wheel.

I was just trying to make a response since it was asked what if... I KNOW they're not the same thing but I guess I was not able to express what I wanted to say perfectly.

First, and before it gets out of hand, this is not a shipper war. The shippers don't write the plots. Having not seen the full episode, it is hard to say what will actually show up. It makes sense to include the more outrageous scenes with Sheldon as he is the most over-the-top character, has no filter, and no problem intruding into moments that everyone else in the show would have better sense than to do. Further, Sheldon has a highly active fandom, and I suspect that many people watch simply to see what crazy Sheldon will do this week.

I just feel that from what I've seen so far, the goodbye scene in the car at the airport just seems wrong. Consider this. If last week Penny and Leonard had barged into Sheldon's room without knocking to demand that they return to finish D&D, it would have been a similar level of intrusion into a touching scene. That would have been wrong too. Maybe the scene later with Raj balances it out. It just seems so odd. Leonard and Penny saying goodbye for four months, and Sheldon bellowing out the window of the car that of course they're not smuggling drugs. I guess the whole point is that deep down, and now more overtly, Sheldon is jealous of Leonard. He's got the girl, the collaboration with Hawking, and likely will get tenure based on that alone. Let's face it, I'd be a little jealous. That Sheldon isn't handling it with much grace is just Sheldon.

What do you mean, "he's got the girl?" Are you saying he's jealous with Leonard FOR Penny? The scene here is that Sheldon was among with Penny and Leonard to accompany him to the airport. He was ANXIOUS that Penny move because they're on a red lane or something. Of course that's typical Sheldon. I would understand that he's envious of the Hawking project but I totally disagree with what you're trying to say there. That project has nothing to do with that scene of him "interrupting" them kissing. It's not like Sheldon was a hindrance for them to kiss, because they DID kiss. For me, it was like a little kid at the backseat while his parents are smooching.

I just meant that things are going really well for Leonard in general, and that it would be reasonable for Sheldon to be jealous overall. I think he's quite happy with Amy as his girlfriend but he's probably sure that things are in flux with her. She wants more, he wants homeostasis. Penny and Leonard are on the same page now.

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[bigbangsheldon]

I think a LP mutual ILY is a great way to end the season that they've had

[phantagrae]

I just meant that things are going really well for Leonard in general, and that it would be reasonable for Sheldon to be jealous overall. I think he's quite happy with Amy as his girlfriend but he's probably sure that things are in flux with her. She wants more, he wants homeostasis. Penny and Leonard are on the same page now.

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But Sheldon is happy with where he is with Amy--we certainly saw that in 6x23.  I don't think that his relationship with Amy is in flux.  And if he wants homeostasis--in this case, no physical intimacy at this point--then why would he be jealous of Leonard over that.  Whatever it is that Amy may want, she's not threatening to break up with him, she's not hitting him over the head with her "desires" and they just had a major breakthrough in their understanding of each other--one that should somewhat satisfy Amy's questions about the future of their relationship.  Sheldon is still pretty much setting the pace for their relationship, so what does he have to envy Leonard for?

 

I thnk the only thing he really would have any jealousy over is the idea of Leonard's career getting a big boost.  But on the relationship front, he has no worries and no reason for envy.

[LoveShamy]

A whole summer with out new episodes of the big bang, how will I cope! :D 
Time to have a run through the box set. 
This certainly will be an interesting episode, Ive always wanted Leonard to be successful and rub it in Sheldons face. 

Sometimes I see Sheldon as a bully to his friends, I know he is not familiar with 'social terms' but he says discouraging and offensive things to them especially Leonard  regarding his work and intelligence, so I am glad to see a episode of his success. :3