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Really Catweazle, that's all you've got! 

 

Of course not... I have the facts too. And the facts are that there is no scientific proof of life beyond Earth.

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Evidence, eh?

There have been hundreds of thousands, if not millions, reported sightings of UFOs.

-Many of these from goverment officials such as military personnel and such. And from airline pilots reporting strange crafts zooming about their planes.

Now, if we say that 95% of these reports are false, it still leaves thousands that must be accurate.

Indeed, there is much more proof of aliens monitoring earth than there are of the existence of Gods.

And as for proof, many scientist have tried to proof the alien influence with alien artefacts and structures found on earth. Sadly these scientist are shunned by the mainstream science community, and their findings ridiculed by people who do not even bother to go through the evidence.

Indeed, it has been said by some, that the so called Gods of our past were in fact aliens that used superior techology to keep humans as their slaves. Makes more sense than what the church has to say!

You are absolutely and 100% wrong. There is no evidence whatsoever that gives any merit to "aliens that use superior technology to keeps humans as slaves". And you've made up half of what you just said.

"Now, if we say that 95% of these reports are false, it still leaves thousands that must be accurate."

You can just utter pseudo facts and claim their true because you added a number. And have you ever heard of the Bible. It's been around for a few thousand years. I'm pretty sure that's enough proof that God exists. Much more proof than that of aliens.

You don't have any fact to what you're saying. Try and do a little research.

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You are absolutely and 100% wrong. There is no evidence whatsoever that gives any merit to "aliens that use superior technology to keeps humans as slaves". And you've made up half of what you just said.

"Now, if we say that 95% of these reports are false, it still leaves thousands that must be accurate."

You can just utter pseudo facts and claim their true because you added a number. And have you ever heard of the Bible. It's been around for a few thousand years. I'm pretty sure that's enough proof that God exists. Much more proof than that of aliens.

You don't have any fact to what you're saying. Try and do a little research.

 

You should know that Sherminator is no longer a member of this forum, and therefore cannot respond.

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I think most will agree that there is not.... Even those that believe in the alien posibility would not stoop to such absurdity.

...and who are they quoting and citing NASA ?

 

NASA keeps a lid on everything extra-terrestrial cuz they think Earth civilization would break down if first public contact was actually made.

 

That and the zero point energy systems of the Lyrans and other alien cultures would put the fossil fuel industry out of business on this planet.  This is why NASA has to maintain the coverup.  Oil cartels run governments on this planet and wovoostyn aka zero point energy is a BIG threat to their power oligarchy.

 

Once public contact has been made it'll all be out in the open.  I'd say first contact but George Adamski already had first contact, then Cedric Allingham had 2nd Contact and many others have had their own personal contacts.

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 I like what I've been hearing about the new 0% emission ATMOS (Atmospheric Omission System).

They can/will fit on ANY vehicle.

First sold in Great Brittan in 2009 by LUKE RATTIGAN's company.

They now come with a built in GPS.

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 I like what I've been hearing about the new 0% emission ATMOS (Atmospheric Omission System).

They can/will fit on ANY vehicle.

First sold in Great Brittan in 2009 by LUKE RATTIGAN's company.

They now come with a built in GPS.

Is it alien technology?

 

NASA keeps a lid on everything extra-terrestrial cuz they think Earth civilization would break down if first public contact was actually made.

 

How do you know that? Have they made such a claim, or is it just part of you odd imagination?

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these are very interesting.

 

"The phenomenon of UFOs does exist, and it must be treated seriously".


Mikhail Gorbachev,


Premiere of the Soviet Union.


Interview as reported in 'Soviet Youth',May 4th,1990.




"There are many reasons to beleive that they(UFOs)do exist:there is so much evidence from reliable witnessess".


Prince Philip,


Duke of Edinburgh,


London sunday Dispatch,March 28th,1954. 




"For the government to continue to maintain that UFOs are non-existent in the face of the documents already released and of other cogent evidence presented in this book is puerile and ,in a sense, an insult to the American people".


Dr J Allen Hyneck,Phd,


Former scientist with Project Bluebook.




"We have stacks of reports about flying 

saucers.We

 take them seriously when you consider we have lost many men and planes trying to intercept them".


General Benjamin Chidlaw,


Air Defense Command.




"The number of thoughtful,intelligent,educated people in full possession of their faculties who have 'seen something' and described it grows every 

day.We

 can say catergoricaly that mysterious objects have indeed appeared and continue to appear in the sky that surrounds us".


General Lionel M Chassin,


French Air Forces,


Air Defense Coodinator of the allied forces of NATO.




"UFO sightings are now so common,the military doesn't have time to worry about them....When a UFO appears,they simply ignore

it.Unconventional

 targets are ignored because apparently we are only interested in the Russian targets,possible enemy 

targets.Something

that hovers in the air ,then shoots off at 5000 miles per hour doesn't interest us because it can't be the enemy.


UFOs are picked up by ground and air radar and they have been photographed by gun camera all 

along.There

 are so many UFOs in the sky that the airforce has had to employ special radar networks to screen them out".


Lee Katchen,


NASA atmospheric physicist,June 7th,1968. 




"Reliable reports indicate there are objects coming into our atmosphere at very high speeds and controlled by thinking intelligences".


Admiral Delamer S Fahmey.


Former Head US Navy, Guided Missile Programme. 




"Of course it is possible that UFO's really do contain aliens as many people believe, and the Government is hushing it up." 


Professor 

Stephen Hawking


"It is time for the truth to be brought out... Behind the scenes high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about the UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe the unknown flying objects are nonsense.... I urge immediate Congressional action to reduce the dangers from secrecy about unidentified flying objects."


Former CIA Director Vice Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoetter, signed statement to Congress, August 22, 1960.




"We must insist upon full access to disks recovered. For instance, in the La case the Army grabbed it and would not let us have it for cursory examination."


J Edgar Hoover 




"In my official status, I cannot comment on ET contact. However, personally, I can assure you, we are not alone!


Charles J. Camarda (Ph.D.) NASA Astronaut




More than 10,000 sightings have been reported, the majority of which cannot be accounted for by any scientific explanation... I am convinced that these objects do exist and that they are not manufactured by any nation on Earth." "I can therefore see no alternative to accepting the theory that they come from some extraterrestrial source. 


Air Chief Marshal Lord Dowding, Commander-in-Chief of the Royal Air Force Fighter Command during the Battle of Britain, printed in Sunday Dispatch, London, July 11, 1954.




"I've been convinced for a long time that the flying saucers are real and interplanetary. Another words we are being watched by beings from outer space."


Albert M. Chop, deputy public relations director, National Aeronautics and Space Administration,(NASA) and former United States Air Force spokesman for Project Blue Book. 




"It is my thesis that flying saucers are real and that they are space ships from another solar 

system.There

 is no doubt in my mind that these objects are interplanetary craft of some sort. I and my colleagues are confident that they do not originate in our solar system."


Dr. Herman Oberth (The father of modern rockerty) 




"I am completely convinced that UFOs have an out-of-world basis." 


Dr. Walther Riedel (Once chief designer and research director at the German rocket center in Peenemunde) 




"The possibility of reduced-time interstellar travel either by advanced extraterrestrial civilizations at present or ourselves in the future, is not fundamentally constrained by physical principles."


Dr. Harold Puthoff (Director, Institute for advanced studies at Austin, Author of fundamentals of Quantum Electronics)




The least improbable explanation is that these things are artificial and controlled ... My opinion for some time has been that they have an extraterrestrial origin." 


Dr. Maurice Biot (leading aerodynamicists and mathematical physicist)




I feel that the Air Force has not been giving out all the available information on the Unidentified Flying Objects. You cannot disregard so many unimpeachable sources." 


John W. McCormack, Speaker of the House of Representatives of the United States. January (1965) 




"I certainly believe in aliens in space, and that they are indeed visiting our planet. They may not look like us, but I have very strong feelings that they have advanced beyond our mental capabilities."


Senator Barry Goldwater (1965)


(Retired Air Force Brigadier General and pilot with many decades of flying experience)




"I strongly recommend that there be a committee investigation of the UFO phenomena. I think we owe it to the people to establish credibility regarding UFOs and to produce the greatest possible enlightenment on this subject" 


President Gerald Ford (1966)




"I don't laugh at people any more when they say they've seen UFOs. I've seen one myself!"


President Jimmy Carter (1976) 




"I looked out the window and saw this white 

light.It

 was zigzagging around. I went up to the pilot and said,Have you ever seen anything like that? He was shocked and he said, "Nope." And I said to him: "Let's follow it!" We followed it for several minutes. It was a bright white

light.We

 followed it to Bakersfield, and all of a sudden to our utter amazement it went straight up into the heavens. When I got off the plane I told Nancy all about it."


President Ronald Reagen (Describing his 1974 UFO encounter to veteran newsman Norman C. Miller, then Washington bureau chief for the Wall Street Journal.) 




"I was testing a P-51 fighter in Minneapolis when I spotted this object. I was at about 10,000 feet on a nice, bright, sunny afternoon. I thought the object was a kite, then I realized that no kite is gonna fly that high." 


As I got closer it looked like a weather balloon, gray and about three feet in diameter. But as soon as I got behind the darn thing it didn't look like a balloon anymore. It looked like a saucer, a disk. 


About the same time, I realized that it was suddenly going away from me -- and there I was, running at about 300 miles per hour. I tracked it for a little way, and then all of a sudden the damn thing just took off. It pulled about a 45 degree climbing turn and accelerated and just flat disappeared." 


Donald Slayton, Mercury astronaut, 1951 




"For many years I have lived with a secret, in a secrecy imposed on all specialists in astronautics. I can now reveal that every day, in the USA, our radar instruments capture objects of form and composition unknown to us. And there are thousands of witness reports and a quantity of documents to prove this, but nobody wants to make them public. 


Why? Because authority is afraid that people may think of God knows what kind of horrible invaders. So the password still is: We have to avoid panic by all means." 


"I was furthermore a witness to an extraordinary phenomenon, here on this planet Earth. It happened a few months ago in Florida. There I saw with my own eyes a defined area of ground being consumed by flames, with four indentions left by a flying object which had descended in the middle of a field. Beings had left the craft (there were other traces to prove this). They seemed to have studied topography, they had collected soil samples and, eventually, they returned to where they had come from, disappearing at enormous speed...I happen to know that authority did just about everything to keep this incident from the press and TV, in fear of a panicky reaction from the public." 


Major Gordon Cooper, astronaut. 




Quotes:


http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/...ment/quosci.htm
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/...nt/quoastro.htm
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/...ment/quogov.htm
http://www.paradigmresearchgroup.org/QuotesPage.html
http://netscientia.com/ufo_quotes.html
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"In my official status, I cannot comment on ET contact. However, personally, I can assure you, we are not alone!

Charles J. Camarda (Ph.D.) NASA Astronaut

 

 

The problem here is that he can't assure anyone, as there is zero prove that we're not alone . Therefore his assurance is worthless.

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The problem here is that he can't assure anyone, as there is zero prove that we're not alone . Therefore his assurance is worthless.

There is plenty of proof but Americans can't even make the Bilderberg connection to both political parties and vote accordingly.

 

There are aliens and other ET civilizations out there but Earth has too much of a Planet of the Apes type mindset to ever appreciate it.

 

Look into George Adamski and Cedric Allingham.

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There is plenty of proof but Americans can't even make the Bilderberg connection to both political parties and vote accordingly.

There is no physical proof. There is as much physical evidence for UFO's being controlled by or containing aliens as there is for the Loch Ness Monster.

 

There are aliens and other ET civilizations out there but Earth has too much of a Planet of the Apes type mindset to ever appreciate it.

And all the evidence for it is hearsay. And for those that believe it, it's called confirmation bias.

 

Look into George Adamski and Cedric Allingham.

I have, if you want a comedy to laugh about, reading about those two will do it. They are on the order of David Icke and his Lizard People. It's so laughable at how many normally intelligent people fall for the silliness of all the conspiracy theories and unconfirmed claims. But, it is understandable, considering confirmation bias.

One thing about all of funbus' quotes, that's all they are. Quotes from people based on their opinions, no actual evidence. Catweazle quote is actually more accurate. Now, I happen to agree with catweazle about there being no evidence for alien life. However, I think we disagree (If I'm wrong catweazle, I'll be more than happy to be corrected) on the possibility of extra terrestrial life. While I think extraterrestrial life does exist, that does not mean I think there are LGM flying around in our skies.

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but there are people on this planet that just don't want to believe in UFOs and aliens, just like catweazle, he wouldn't believe in aliens if they knocked on his door and asked him if he wanted to go for a ride, yes the post i put up was just quotes, but quotes from a lot of high ranking people in the forces, government, NASA, and elsewhere, and most of the quotes are because of what they either know or have seen, yet you still choose to not believe them, what would these people gain from lying?  

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but there are people on this planet that just don't want to believe in UFOs and aliens, just like catweazle, he wouldn't believe in aliens if they knocked on his door and asked him if he wanted to go for a ride, yes the post i put up was just quotes, but quotes from a lot of high ranking people in the forces, government, NASA, and elsewhere,

And you think their statements have more weight than others that declare that there's nothing there, why?

 

and most of the quotes are because of what they either know or have seen,

And you know they have seen or know something, how? What sort of hard evidence backs up these statement? Not to mention quite a few have been taken out of context and or cherry picked. For instance, the Steve Hawking quote. The next line is "I couldn't possibly comment." Not to mention he states he believes controlled alien craft aren't flying around.

If you wanted to use a Hawking quote, why not Hawking's from the February 2008 TED talk:

“I am discounting reports of UFOs. Why would they appear only to cranks and weirdos?”

You only quoted parts of quotes of his that you believe support your contentions. While ignoring the rest of the quote and or other quotes that go directly again what you want to prove. That is cherry-picking or confirmation bias of the highest order.

 

yet you still choose to not believe them, what would these people gain from lying?

That's a strawman, why are you sure they are lying? Can't they simply have misunderstood what they saw or think they saw, and actually believe what their are saying

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but there are people on this planet that just don't want to believe in UFOs and aliens, just like catweazle, he wouldn't believe in aliens if they knocked on his door and asked him if he wanted to go for a ride, yes the post i put up was just quotes, but quotes from a lot of high ranking people in the forces, government, NASA, and elsewhere, and most of the quotes are because of what they either know or have seen, yet you still choose to not believe them, what would these people gain from lying?  

The truth is that between all the Star Trek shows and Ancient Alien shows, Earth is slowly being conditioned for its awakening into being a space-faring culture.  Even the show Coast-to-Coast AM with George Norry is helping in the Awakening.

 

Earth people have been dumbed down so that kakistocratic governments of each nation can control them easier.  Bad education and sodium-fluoiride in the drinking water.  No wonder the Lyrans are having a hard time awakening Earth humanity.

 

People like us will be validated in due time.

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It is people like you who NASA caters to.

 

You also probably don't make the Bilderberg connections to the Republicans and Democrats either.  You probably [Personal denigration cut]

Actually, I am currently considered 100% disabled due to service in the Gulf War. Prior to being declare disabled, I was a computer programmer, a forecast analyst, ,and production scheduler, and prior to separating from the military, I was involved in cryptographic and traffic analysis. And I don't watch PBS. I actually watch very little television, I prefer looking for my own information.

 

I have seen people like you all my life.  [Personal denigration cut] but given public education today maybe not !!!

I doubt you have seen people like me. I graduated from high school in 1972, at sixteen. I currently have 145 Credit hours of college work and I currently do part time (when I'm able) data analysis for an astrophysical group, which requires an ability to work both General Relativity and Quantum Field Theory. So public education has been very good to me.

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but there are people on this planet that just don't want to believe in UFOs and aliens, just like catweazle, he wouldn't believe in aliens if they knocked on his door and asked him if he wanted to go for a ride, yes the post i put up was just quotes, but quotes from a lot of high ranking people in the forces, government, NASA, and elsewhere, and most of the quotes are because of what they either know or have seen, yet you still choose to not believe them, what would these people gain from lying?  

In post394 it said the Chilean Government did take UFOs seriously. They ruled out most, but still had 200 (and more), that they could not explain, including the sighting at the air base, where up to ten different people caught UFO on various devices. As your quotes show, some won't be silenced(or care what people think!). As the Chilean airman in the clip said, we know aircraft! From my looking, I'd say the whole cosmos was designed as a life creating machine; the stars supply the elements, planets with gravity(enough), and water, create life. Having P.C. meltdown problems at present, obviously Nvidia don't use alien tech!  

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Actually, I am currently considered 100% disabled due to service in the Gulf War. Prior to being declare disabled, I was a computer programmer, a forecast analyst, ,and production scheduler, and prior to separating from the military, I was involved in cryptographic and traffic analysis.

 

I doubt you have seen people like me. I graduated from high school in 1972, at sixteen. I currently have 145 Credit hours of college work and I currently do part time (when I'm able) data analysis for an astrophysical group, which requires an ability to work both General Relativity and Quantum Field Theory. So public education has been very good to me.

Where do you think computers came from ?  The integrated circuit came from the Roswell crash.  You really think that humans go from med-eval to colonial then all of a sudden into the jet-age and space-age without any outside help from ET civilizations ?   :laugh:

 

I have seen plenty of people like you in the Army.  You know computers and actually think Earth human ingenuity built and perfected them.  :laugh:

 

In psychology they call this concrete operations.  When you get to the formal operations stage then you might make the ET connections to technology.  :yes:

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Where do you think computers came from ?  The integrated circuit came from the Roswell crash.

If it was from Roswell, why was the first person to patent a IC devise, a GERMAN, in 1949. Do you have a chain of proof for this claim. Otherwise we have to accept that somehow the US government sent the information over to a war devastated country, with a bare minimum of infra structure to devise the first one.

 

You really think that humans go from med-eval to colonial then all of a sudden into the jet-age and space-age without any outside help from ET civilizations ?

Argument from incredulity. I don't believe a human could develop this so there has to be an alien that did it. Of course, the trail of evidence that disproves your contention here has to be ignored.

 

I have seen plenty of people like you in the Army.  You know computers and actually think Earth human ingenuity built and perfected them.

As usual, you're throwing out assertion without any evidence. I wasn't in the Army. I also find it interesting that you're quite willing to accept Military people's credibility if their quotes support your claims, but don't accept the credibility if they disagree with your claims. The fact that your's and mine ingenuity can't build or perfect them, doesn't mean some other human can't have the ingenuity.

 

In psychology they call this concrete operations.  When you get to the formal operations stage then you might make the ET connections to technology.  :yes:

Actually I'm quite far into the formal operations stage. I am able to handle differential geometry, and General Relativity with its abstract concepts of space-time curvature and tensors. My problem with your claims is simply you haven't produced any actual evidence. You just make assertions and demand we believe hearsay evidence and accept your incredulity.

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I maybe late on this discussion, but say we didn't get visits which I think we did. But for the sake of using science why they didn't visit is because if they were millions light years away they will see Dinosaurs through a telescope

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If it was from Roswell, why was the first person to patent a IC devise, a GERMAN, in 1949. Do you have a chain of proof for this claim. Otherwise we have to accept that somehow the US government sent the information over to a war devastated country, with a bare minimum of infra structure to devise the first one.

 

Cuz it is well known that the Germans got all their techno know how from beings from the Sirius Star System.  Look into the Vril Society and their ET connections.

 

Argument from incredulity. I don't believe a human could develop this so there has to be an alien that did it. Of course, the trail of evidence that disproves your contention here has to be ignored.

 

VENUS DE-CLASSIFIED

http://www.burlingtonnews.net/venusians.html

 

See for years humans living on Venus have been steering our civilization. Geoge Adamski even wrote 3 books about his enocounters with them

 

As usual, you're throwing out assertion without any evidence. I wasn't in the Army. I also find it interesting that you're quite willing to accept Military people's credibility if their quotes support your claims, but don't accept the credibility if they disagree with your claims. The fact that your's and mine ingenuity can't build or perfect them, doesn't mean some other human can't have the ingenuity.

 

Actually I'm quite far into the formal operations stage. I am able to handle differential geometry, and General Relativity with its abstract concepts of space-time curvature and tensors. My problem with your claims is simply you haven't produced any actual evidence. You just make assertions and demand we believe hearsay evidence and accept your incredulity.

No what I say is look at the evidence for yourself.  Read Allingham's and Adamski's books.

I think most will agree that there is not.... Even those that believe in the alien posibility would not stoop to such absurdity.

Look if the Bilderbergers kept themselves a big secret until the advent of the internet in the late 1990s just imagine what NASA has been keeping secret for close to 60 years.

 

Orthon gave Adamski a trip on his spacecraft and gave Adasmki enough info to write up 3 books of truth cuz he knew along with the other Lyran planets that any Earth based space agency would keep the truth about space repressed for political reasons.

 

Come 2013 we are still held hostage by the same people who keep the truth about space from us.

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No what I say is look at the evidence for yourself.  Read Allingham's and Adamski's books.

Look if the Bilderbergers kept themselves a big secret until the advent of the internet in the late 1990s just imagine what NASA has been keeping secret for close to 60 years.

 

Orthon gave Adamski a trip on his spacecraft and gave Adasmki enough info to write up 3 books of truth cuz he knew along with the other Lyran planets that any Earth based space agency would keep the truth about space repressed for political reasons.

 

Come 2013 we are still held hostage by the same people who keep the truth about space from us.

 

 

I've read Allingham's and Adamski's books.  I've spent years on several sites that require evidence, not assertions, and those two books were brought up by conspiracy theorists all the time.  It's quite easy to refute the few specifics in those books.  There is nothing in either of those books that constitutes hard evidence.  

 

If your Lyrans  are able to travel around the galaxy, and re-engineer Venus to allow humans to live on it, isn't it a bit silly to think that  humans would be able to keep the Lyrans from revealing themselves?  I mean according to you, humans can't even manage spaceflight, how exactly do humans, with such a much far inferior technology, stop the Lyrans from revealing themselves?    

 

As far as the Bilderberg's, If they were so secret until the the 1990s and the internet, why was Phyllis Schlafly in 1964, able to write about them?  I find it humorous that the right conspiracists accuses the Bilderbergs of trying to force a one world government, and the left conspiracists accuse them of trying to form a government run by corporations.  The John Birch Society, Schlafly, Jim Tucker, Lyndon LaRouche, and Alex Jones,  are advocates of the conspiracy theories regarding the Bildebergs (and they all differ as far as what the Bilderbergs are planning, go figure).  If you want to associate yourself with nuts like that, more power to you.

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No what I say is look at the evidence for yourself.  Read Allingham's and Adamski's books.

Look if the Bilderbergers kept themselves a big secret until the advent of the internet in the late 1990s just imagine what NASA has been keeping secret for close to 60 years.

 

Orthon gave Adamski a trip on his spacecraft and gave Adasmki enough info to write up 3 books of truth cuz he knew along with the other Lyran planets that any Earth based space agency would keep the truth about space repressed for political reasons.

 

Come 2013 we are still held hostage by the same people who keep the truth about space from us.

 I DO believe that there is SOMETIMES a bit of truth in the myths.

The one that comes to mind are the books that MAY have started the DR. DOLITTLE  stories about a guy that could apparently talk to animals in the wild.

The authors name is A.A. MILNE, check the books out if you get a chance !

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I don't believe in Aliens, but i dont regret watching alien documenatires, i also dont believe that but yeah, its funny when they saw a "alien".. but i hears something about *Area-51* like they're hiding alien stuff in it.

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I don't believe in Aliens, but i dont regret watching alien documenatires,

 

As apposed to believing in aliens, but with regret to watching alien documentaries!

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