Ship Zone The Shamy Thread, Season 7 [Spoiler Free]

[Chiany]

They are most certainly in love. You can see the signs even when it's not as evident to them.

Amy knows she is in love with Sheldon. Not that she acts much on it, would you blame her though? At what point she fell for him I don't know. I would guess nearer the end of season 4 start of 5.

As for Sheldon. I think he does love her. But I don't think he realises. And if he did know, he wouldn't know the first thing to so.

 

I think Sheldon does know he loves her, he just doesn't know how to show it to others (especially Amy of course).

Like the way he asked Amy to be his girlfriend the first time in the cinema.

 

After she confronted him to stop talking in riddles, he stepped up and said without any hidden layers.

[kazzie]

I think Sheldon does know he loves her, he just doesn't know how to show it to others (especially Amy of course).

Like the way he asked Amy to be his girlfriend the first time in the cinema.

After she confronted him to stop talking in riddles, he stepped up and said without any hidden layers.

I think that was more of a jealousy thing.

He has said he is fond of her. At the same time he admitted intimacy was a possibility. I would have thought for Sheldon. Admitting he was "working" on the infancy thing that he wouldn't dumb down his feelings.

How strong is the fond though?

[Chiany]

I think that was more of a jealousy thing.

He has said he is fond of her. At the same time he admitted intimacy was a possibility. I would have thought for Sheldon. Admitting he was "working" on the infancy thing that he wouldn't dumb down his feelings.

How strong is the fond though?

 

When he said to L & P he is quite fond of her, to me it came across Sheldon's way of telling he loves her.

I still think he has problems admitting his real feelings, first of all to himself.

 

But when he crossed that hurdle (somewhere at the start of season 5) he still wasn't ready to say out loud he loves her.

That's why he said he is fond of her.

 

For Sheldon saying he is fond of a woman (Amy) is a very strong statement.

[Cecilia]

I don't think I can tell when exactly they fell in love but I too believe that they felt something for each other right away.When they first met Sheldon went to that date absolutely sure that it would be a disaster. Instead he met this incredible woman. It is written all over his face that he is surprised that he actually liked her. I think Amy was way more reluctant to recognize that she liked him. Especially with the way she looks at him when they placed their orders. But at 4.01 the dynamics are changed cause there is nothing awkward for them anymore. The way they cornered Penny and the delight they had by that!!! The way they look at each other is the proof of the fact that they both liked the other.

But I think that emotionally Sheldon was always one step ahead but he never expresses his feelings. When he was proclaiming so firmly that she is a girl and a friend but not his girlfriend he was already really into her IMO while Amy was ok with being just friends. For example when the man on the jewellery store implied he was a couple with Penny he just said 'come on me and her???'(ok not exactly like that but you get it ). He insisted so much because with Amy it was always different.

[dana1010]

I don't think I can tell when exactly they fell in love but I too believe that they felt something for each other right away.When they first met Sheldon went to that date absolutely sure that it would be a disaster. Instead he met this incredible woman. It is written all over his face that he is surprised that he actually liked her. I think Amy was way more reluctant to recognize that she liked him. Especially with the way she looks at him when they placed their orders. But at 4.01 the dynamics are changed cause there is nothing awkward for them anymore. The way they cornered Penny and the delight they had by that!!! The way they look at each other is the proof of the fact that they both liked the other.

But I think that emotionally Sheldon was always one step ahead but he never expresses his feelings. When he was proclaiming so firmly that she is a girl and a friend but not his girlfriend he was already really into her IMO while Amy was ok with being just friends. For example when the man on the jewellery store implied he was a couple with Penny he just said 'come on me and her???'(ok not exactly like that but you get it ). He insisted so much because with Amy it was always different.

 

I agree with your idea that Sheldon was always one step ahead. Amy was the one who said "love adds no value to relationships". She had to lunge over that hurdle. A lot of talks are about the hurdles that Sheldon has to go over, the touching and the intimacy, but I believe Amy had to hurdle over some as well. She never thought she would need love in her life, but Sheldon was the exception.

 

I first thought Amy was in love when she canceled their valentine's day plans last year. To me, it was an incredibly unselfish thing for her to do, and it just goes to show how much she cares about and wants him to be happy.

Edited January 24, 2014 by dana1010

[kazzie]

I agree with your idea that Sheldon was always one step ahead. Amy was the one who said "love adds no value to relationships". She had to lunge over that hurdle. A lot of talks are about the hurdles that Sheldon has to go over, the touching and the intimacy, but I believe Amy had to hurdle over some as well. She never thought she would need love in her life, but Sheldon was the exception.

 

I first thought Amy was in love when she canceled their valentine's day plans last year. To me, it was an incredibly unselfish thing for her to do, and it just goes to show how much she cares about and wants him to be happy.

 

Thinking back to the Zazzy episode.. Sheldon was effected more then Amy, I don't think Amy at that stage would have missed Sheldon the amount he missed her. So I agree He has been one step ahead on the feelings side of things

 

Im trying to think back to when we might of realised Sheldon had fallen in love... But I agree for Amy, Last valentines day

Edited January 24, 2014 by kazzie

[Lionne]

I think that Sheldon and Amy have switched places a few times as far as "who is ahead" in the relationship. At times Sheldon has things a little more figured out, at times Amy does. It's hard to say because those are cards they play close to the vest. Honestly, when Sheldon karate chopped Leonard all the way back in the early episodes of Season 4 and declared, "She's NOT for you. NOT FOR YOU." and then stormed off, what was he thinking at that time? Did he already have marriage, kids, and their retirement account planned out by that time, or was that a purely instinctual moment where Sheldon was guarded territory he only subconsciously viewed as his? And after he did react that way, what did he think of it later? He certainly didn't respond by asking her out immediately. He had to be spurred on by jealousy in order to do so.

 

However, I think it's obvious that Amy is starting to crush on him in "Herb Garden," especially when he makes that "you're a vixen Amy Farrah Fowler" remark. But she's also the first one to kiss him, so she's a lot more clear about her interest in him by that point as he is for her, because the idea seems to knock him for a loop.

[kazzie]

This is all way to sweet

 

I'm tempted to re watch S5/6 to try and figure out when he fell...

[Chiany]

Well said Lionne, they do keep things close to the chest.

That makes it hard to figure their real feeling out.

 

Amy is more open about her feelings and expectations.

Just like she told Penny & Bernadette about her plans to marry Sheldon in 4 years time in 6x02 I think.

[Bella Duveen]

I love that so many of you feel that Sheldon fell first! She doesn't realise the power over him she has most of the time! I think he first basically admitted he was in love with her to the rest of the boys at the Comic Book Store of all places, when he mentions being enslaved by a "Hotsy Totsy from Glendale" instead of an advanced alien species. It was a short leap from there to Amy's seduction campaign (although that's not what she called it), and by the time he's moping about unable to concentrate on 3D Chess, she's got him. She's slowly taken control of his mind (if not body - yet - although I'm pretty sure her medical officer's outfit worked) and he can't stop thinking of her.

 

But, as you say, the Zazzy episode showed him so much more affected by the prospect of losing her than she was of losing him at that stage, and Mary knew her little Shelly was 'pining for a young lady'...He's also working hard to integrate her into his life, asking her to meet the rest of the guys at The Cheesecake Factory (and have fun criticising the place together) and showed her around at work. Shifting his life around for anyone is a big thing, let alone a 'girl'.

Edited January 24, 2014 by Bella Duveen

[koops]

I find the evolution of their relationship to be very fascinating. I think they started off with Amy behind and Sheldon ahead, evened out around S5 and then Amy shot far ahead of him after that, probably due to the fact that she's a lot more impulsive than he is and jumps right into things with enthusiasm.

 

I do believe Sheldon started ahead of her and was ahead of her for quite a while, even though he didn't put 2 and 2 together and/or was in denial about it all the while. All of S4 pretty much shows that he is being majorly affected by her, Zazzy in particular, where she didn't seem all that bothered by the fact that their relationship was terminated. Amy was much more detached and emotionless than he was up until around Herb Garden.

 

Herb Garden is the first hint we get of Amy starting to crush on him, then things seem to kind of balance out from the kiss onwards, with Amy starting to talk of him as her "kinda-sorta boyfriend" and Sheldon being all jealous and stopping correcting people about their relationship status. I don't think he had consciously made any sort of long term plans for them or anything of the like, but I do think that after the kiss he had started contemplating the romantic option for them. I do think he had called dibs in his head over her, that "Not for you!" moment is really the whole point of the episode (the title refers to that). I think he realized that if he was ever going to have a romantic (and sexual?) relationship with anyone, that was it, and couldn't bear the thought of anyone taking that away from him. But Sheldon being SHeldon he was still buying time instead of acting on it and if he hadn't been jealous who knows how long it would have taken him to act.

 

Then Amy totally overtakes him shortly after they become official, I think TLA is the first hint we get that she's starting to speed up much faster than he is. But, to be honest with you, I do think Amy in S5 was still not really in love with him. Or at least not to the extent he was. I think she had a crush on him and liked him a lot and found him to be the best boyfriend, but it was still more infatuation than love. I do think Sheldon's feelings for her were much deeper at that stage, and the reason I say that is because these things were (and still are) actually hard for Sheldon, whereas Amy, given who she is, always had an easier time, she is beaten and scarred but doesn't have hung ups. One does not put himself through things that are that challenging to who they are as a person (especially Sheldon with his love for homeostasis) unless there are some really strong feelings involved. I think Amy's feelings turned to love when she started hitting walls with Sheldon and yet realized that despite it all she wanted to stick with him. Putting aside her desires and being patient despite the hurdles, especially when she holds the power over him and has the option to leave and even date someone else, is comparable to Sheldon's struggles with himself. This is where things really got serious.

 

So, actually, this just dawned on me: maybe the whole heartache of S6 was necessary for Amy's feelings to go from crush and infatuation to full blown, grown-up love.

[Jamie]

Its kind of interesting tho, if we speak of Amy's desire for Sheldon.

In 4x10, when they're holding hands, she states that she feels nothing, and later in 4x13, she sorts of claims that she wants his penis (at the conferance). And in the herb garden 4x20 she says that she's "not quite there yet". And in 4x21 she kisses him.. All of that is a bit confusing acually. But i guess she was going back and forth at that time

[Chiany]

Its kind of interesting tho, if we speak of Amy's desire for Sheldon.

In 4x10, when they're holding hands, she states that she feels nothing, and later in 4x13, she sorts of claims that she wants his penis (at the conferance). And in the herb garden 4x20 she says that she's "not quite there yet". And in 4x21 she kisses him.. All of that is a bit confusing acually. But i guess she was going back and forth at that time

 

This wasn't about Sheldon's penis.

 

She was talking about women in general, like she said to Penny before in the hotelroom:

 

Amy: Do you subscribe to the Freudian theory of penis envy?

 

Penny: Um, I never really thought about it. Why?

 

Amy: Sometimes I think it might be nice to have one.

 

Penny: Really?

 

Amy: Not for sex, for convenience. You can’t deny that, by comparison, our internal plumbing is extremely high maintenance.

 

Penny: Again, I’ve never given it much thought.

 

Amy: We have time now. Think about it.

[Jamie]

This wasn't about Sheldon's penis.

She was talking about women in general, like she said to Penny before in the hotelroom:

Amy: Do you subscribe to the Freudian theory of penis envy?

Penny: Um, I never really thought about it. Why?

Amy: Sometimes I think it might be nice to have one.

Penny: Really?

Amy: Not for sex, for convenience. You can’t deny that, by comparison, our internal plumbing is extremely high maintenance.

Penny: Again, I’ve never given it much thought.

Amy: We have time now. Think about it.

Oh.. I never payed any attention to the conversation she has with penny before. Guess it makes more sence now! Its just that she looks directly at Sheldon after she says the thing at the conference, and then there's this reeeally long sequence when he looks confused. Guess thats whats always tripped me off! Thanks for clearing it up for me

[Chiany]

Oh.. I never payed any attention to the conversation she has with penny before. Guess it makes more sence now! Its just that she looks directly at Sheldon after she says the thing at the conference, and then there's this reeeally long sequence when he looks confused. Guess thats whats always tripped me off! Thanks for clearing it up for me

 

I think the only reason she looked at Sheldon, is simply because he was leading the panel.

 

Don't worry about it, I just have seen the episodes from season 4 and after that so many times, I just remember them.

Especially the Amy parts.

[Jamie]

Well i'm a bit like Sheldon when it comes to sexual jokes.. doesn't always get them haha.

I just recently understood whats so funny about the "I need more wood!" - scene in the 100th episode :D

[Chiany]

Well i'm a bit like Sheldon when it comes to sexual jokes.. doesn't always get them haha.

I just recently understood whats so funny about the "I need more wood!" - scene in the 100th episode :D

 

It's hard to have an erection (which was in his hand) without wood

Edited January 24, 2014 by Chiany

[Jamie]

It's hard to have an erection (which was in his hand) without wood

Well yeah i know that now.. googled it! Still dont get why "i have sheep" is funny thou

[Chiany]

Well yeah i know that now.. googled it! Still dont get why "i have sheep" is funny thou

 

Because it suggests that Sheldon wants Wood (an erection) for his Sheep (the actual animal).

 

It's a nasty, sick joke.

Usually it would have been Howard to make such jokes, it's suppose to be funny because now it's Sheldon saying it, and not realizing it.

[delsino]

Because it suggests that Sheldon wants Wood (an erection) for his Sheep (the actual animal).

 

It's a nasty, sick joke.

Usually it would have been Howard to make such jokes, it's suppose to be funny because now it's Sheldon saying it, and not realizing it.

 

Actually this whole exchange is Leonard's dream, so its not Sheldon or Howard but rather Leonards ..lol ...Leonard has a twisted joke side ...lol :-D

[Chiany]

Actually this whole exchange is Leonard's dream, so its not Sheldon or Howard but rather Leonards ..lol ...Leonard has a twisted joke side ...lol :-D

 

Yeah that's true, Leonard has a dirty mind :D

[dana1010]

I don't think it's possible to pinpoint exactly when each one fell in love, but I love koops analysis that they switched back and forth between who was in the lead. I think if I had to generalize it, I would say season 4: Sheldon's in the lead. season 5: Both the same. season 6: Amy's in the lead. season 7: Mostly the same with Amy slightly ahead.

 

I also think that a pivotal moment for Sheldon realizing his feelings for her is in the Romance Resonance episode. "That's the most romantic thing I've ever heard", really showed how far he had come, and also how much Amy understood him.

[Maddie]

I think Sheldon fell in love with her in 5x23, when she was trying to increase his feelings for her with the dinner and the train thing and the ST Doctor game. His "What has that Vixen done to me?" gave it away, in my opinion. At least, that's probably when he first started feeling the stirrings of love. By 6x10 when he had to take care of her, it was a done deal, I think. And then a few episodes later, when Lenny were asking if he was ever going to get physical and he said, "It's a possibility." Would he have said  that if he weren't in love with her? I don't think so.

 

When Amy fell in love is harder to recognize, because she doesn't freak out over her feelings the way Sheldon does, lol. But I imagine it would be around the same time. Not far in S6. But I would say by the time of the Valentine's episode, they were both definitely in love with each other. Whether or not they realize it or not, I don't know. :]
 

[Jamie]

Im really curios why exacly Sheldon decided that "its a possibility" and that he has not "ruled it out".

If we get away from the possibility that he might acually have sexual desires.

Is it because he wants to reproduce one day, or because he's simply in love with Amy? I think it might be 50/50.. but if it would just be the last one.. does he want it because he loves her and knows that would make her happy? or because his feelings for her acually makes him want that kind of intimacy ?

[stardustmelody]

Interesting conversation above. I think that there are various things to consider. Sheldon I think felt a connection with Amy immediately, thus his offer to buy her a beverage at the cafe.   He then wanted to keep in touch with her and clearly enjoyed hearing from her and texting regularly.   After going on the first date, it is clear that he found her enjoyable enough to want to proceed with his plan (only Penny became the voice of reason  at the time).   However, he clearly had a need for her and that came out in Zazzles.  Her presence had become very important to him, far more than he realized or wanted to admit.  He needed her in his life.  She, however, as others pointed out probably could have gone on and been fine.

 

Next we have her making friends with other women, something she aspired to having her entire life.   She was enjoying the bonding moments and learning from them. They watched "romantic movies" together, had makeover sessions, talked fashion, boys, etc.   It was somewhere in here that Amy began to realize that it was normal to have a crush on a guy.  So her crush began to develop.    Sheldon in the meantime was fighting his own feelings.  He started to realize how important she was to him and fought it by constant "she is not my girlfriend" line when his heart was telling him different.   Yet once he realized that she wanted to put on a ruse for her mother he over played it to where the mother must have thought him a pervert.  LOL!   But Amy seemed comfortable an satisfied.  

 

Next they experiment on their friends and Sheldon can't help but admit to her that she is a vixen which touches her and she realizes that he is pretty cute and doesn't mind flirting with him.   They enjoy the experiment.   However, Amy's feelings still are more aloof.   While she clearly enjoys being around Sheldon, she enjoys her new-found social circle and hanging with her girlfriends probably even more.  Sheldon is the one that seems a bit ahead here.  

 

Sheldon's "She's Not for You" comes out from jealousy, but also it is clear his feelings are deeper for her than he is willing to admit to himself.   Amy in the meantime is starting to crush on him. I don't think she is in love with him yet.  But she is realizing that he is fun and handsome and well boyfriend material.   By Isolation Permutation her crush feelings come out in the kiss when under the influence of alcohol.  However she immediately is embarrassed the next day and didn't really want him knowing she was having romantic feelings for him, so recovers with the "reboot".  Sheldon finally can't contain himself and goes bonkers knowing that Stuart and Amy were on a couple of dates.  He has to interrupt one and finally claim his "territory" by asking her to be his girlfriend.   He clearly had been thinking about it for a while in order to have a detailed and complete Relationship Agreement ready for her to sign by the end of her date.   So somewhere he had thought about things like handholding, forms of physical contact, responsibilities to each other, boo boos and ouchies, etc.   He had clearly thought about a lot of things to have that ready and prepared, meaning with or without Stuart he was planning on asking her to be his girlfriend at some point.  Stuart just was the catalyst to move him forward.   

 

He wants to show her how much she means to him after he blows it and doesn't realize that he made a major faux pas by not acknowledging her accomplishment at work.  So he buys her a tiara, because she is his princess to him.   Amy, is now swooning.  She realizes she likes having a boyfriend and she likes the idea that she is no longer alone.   Her crush is getting more a full-on crush.   At this point, I believe Amy was more in love with the romantic notion of having a boyfriend and with "romance" in general than she was really in love.   So from here up until 6.14 episode (V-day) where she cancels all plans because of Sheldon's discomfort...she is selfless it was somewhere between that she was truly falling in love with him.   She fell for him and became selfless as we saw all the rest of S6 and so far in S7.  

 

Sheldon in the meantime has been falling harder and harder all along. I think he too was very affected by Amy's selflessness on that Valentine's Day.  I think he really realized how truly remarkable she was.   But I am sure the rest of S6 was all about the struggle of him realizing that his feelings were deepening, especially after L/P's questions to him about whether he and Amy would ever be physical.  I think he has been wanting to express his feelings to her, but he also hates that dependency.  He really has been having a lot of internal battles going on and not just because of his germ phobia.  He is struggling with a lot of preconceived ideas he has had about himself, about love and romance, about marriage, about all kinds of things.  He now starts thinking about his own parents marriage a lot.   We saw him even thinking about his grandparents more.   Suddenly he is facing everything he knows about love, romance and marriage, even family.

 

So I think Sheldon has been in love with Amy since at least last V-day, but he has been having a lot of internal battles.   I think that he is going to start to realize that he can have all that goes with it and be fine.  He will take a step soon and it will be significant because it will resynchronize the couple yet again.

Edited January 24, 2014 by stardustmelody