Spoilers Leonard And Penny Season 7 *spoiler* Discussion Thread

[ArmyGirl]

I agree SRAM that what's in the taping report isn't what I wanted and I feel that Lenny fans are always getting kicked in the gut once again.  It's always one step forward and ten steps back.  I knew sending Leonard off wasn't going to be good for him and looks like the writers have proven me right --- they need an excuse to get him out of the way for some P/S bonding and look at what we got.

Edited August 22, 2013 by ArmyGirl

[Chrismo]

My initial shock is over, so I am going to wait till episode report before I get critical any more. I do have one general comment, this episode is not the cute loving Lenny moment we were looking for, Penny is made to look even more loose and Leonard is made to look even more pathetic. Add to that, their communications seemed to do more harm to their relationship than good, so you really can't blame a Lenny shipper for not being happy about this episode, it was the opposite of what we were expecting.

 

I agree SRAM that what's in the taping report isn't what I wanted and I feel that Lenny fans are always getting kicked in the gut once again.  It's always one step forward and ten steps back.  I knew sending Leonard off wasn't going to be good for him and looks like the writers have proven me right --- they need an excuse to get him out of the way for some P/S bonding and look at what we got.

I am a Lenny shipper too but I disagree with you both. I wanted to see Penny miss Leonard and that is what it looks we are going to get. It is about time the shoe is on the other foot. Leonard is on a boat having fun. i don't see the big deal. Penny made a topless video when she was younger. It wasn't like it was a video she made last week.

In regards to Sheldon and Penny together. If you look at people's top three episodes ever on this site they are heavy with Sheldon and Penny moments.(Bath gift,adhesive duck and panty pinata). The fact is people like seeing them together. Some Shamy fans are upset that Sheldon and Penny had a hug. I don't get that either. If they ended up in bed together I can see everyone being upset but I just dont understand all this upsetness.

[Chiara]

My initial shock is over, so I am going to wait till episode report before I get critical any more. I do have one general comment, this episode is not the cute loving Lenny moment we were looking for, Penny is made to look even more loose and Leonard is made to look even more pathetic. Add to that, their communications seemed to do more harm to their relationship than good, so you really can't blame a Lenny shipper for not being happy about this episode, it was the opposite of what we were expecting.

I believe I understand your viewpoint and parts of your disappointment but (and I am sorry for being nitpicky) "loose" and "pathetic" might be a bit strong.

 

I am not going to rehash the eternal debate about Penny's mores and canonically confused romantic past but how can appearing topless in a film be considered "loose" ? Catherine Deneuve, Isabelly Hupert, Juliette Binoche, Jeanne Moreau, Helen Mirren, Tilda Swinton, Kate Winslet, etc. All appeared topless in films (actually five of them at least appeared completely naked in major movies). Did that make them look "loose" in anybody's mind ? I understand Penny's embarassment : the film was probably cr*p sexploitation and she only agreed to be in it because she was a bright-eyed kid from Nebraska who needed a first credit attached to her name. But how that could reflect poorly on her as a person is a mystery to me. 

 

As for Leonard, well... "Pathetic" may be a bit too much. Slightly sad and inappropriate, definitely, but ultimately well-meaning. I agree this particular trope ("look at how pretty my girlfriend is") should be dropped : it has been done before, and done better (the Comic Con photograph had this "hostage picture" dimension that made it much funnier than the upcoming incarnation of the same joke). It is time for the writers to move on. 

 

I agree SRAM that what's in the taping report isn't what I wanted and I feel that Lenny fans are always getting kicked in the gut once again.  It's always one step forward and ten steps back.  I knew sending Leonard off wasn't going to be good for him and looks like the writers have proven me right --- they need an excuse to get him out of the way for some P/S bonding and look at what we got.

I migt be over confident but I really do not sense any desire on the writers' part to pander to the Shenny crowd. While TPTB are definitely in love with Sheldon and recognise his potential as a character, he is not their homeboy. Leonard is.

Leonard is the character through which they seemingly get to relive (and improve) their nerdy years. He is the guy who gets all the action and all the sympathy. They appear to live vicariously through him and that is all the protection Leonard (and by extension, the Lenny 'shipping) needs. 

 

Shenny is non existent, for all means and purposes. It was never meant to be and has not been developped. Not ever. Sheldon and Penny are great characters together : they are hilarious, their relationship is loads of fun to watch and very moving at times, Ms. Cuoco and Mr. Parsons play off each other extraordinarily well. But that is it.

Leonard prophesied in the pilot that he would have "smart and beautiful" babies with Penny and so it shall be. 

Edited August 22, 2013 by Chiara

[Disgusted]

On another thread Tripper had shared the top search terms for the site, most of which had to do with umm, physical characteristics. 

 

Being cynical, I'm disappointed, but not surprised. And I too will reserve judgment until the episode airs, no matter how tempting it is to pile on. At least for tonight.

 

One thing though.....

 

Season one episode one: Leonard and Sheldon walk up the stairs, turn the corner, and Leonard sees Penny. Love at first sight for Leonard.... meet cute.... all that good stuff.

 

Now we find that that look of awe on Leonard's face is not Love, but recognition, as in, Hey I've seen those boobies before!

 

Thanks for that, Chuck, may you burn in         

 

 

 

Actually, Jennifer mention that Leonard found it when she moved in.  Leonard on the internet, trying to find out more about her, more than finding her before she moved in.  

 

I guess it depends on what the definition of "is" is.    Its hearsay evidence anyway....

 

My objection is that it puts a bad light on Leonard's whole motivation for his relationship with Penny.

 

 Leonard on the internet, trying to find out more about her, sounds like Howard [creepy], not Leonard. If that sounds judgmental, so be it.

 

As for the video, my objections depend on the theme. If its "Girls gone wild, mid west community college edition" that's one thing. If its "Your breast examination and you" that's another.

 

That second one sounds just like what some nerd would bring to the boat to show on "movie night", right after the one about Stephen Hawking, "Before he became that freaky computer voice"

 

 

Speaking about motivation......

 

If you ever find yourself saying: "I don't understand why some one thinks __________", step back and try to figure it out. It might help you in life. 

 

I may not agree with people, but I try to understand their perspective, if only for my own nefarious ends. 

[Kasey]

Thinking about it more as y'all have too, I don't think it's weird or OOC for Leonard to be enjoying himself at sea.  This is quite an opportunity for him and he's never before been so "confident" in a similar situation.  He's grown so he is more social regardless of the incredible thrill the work must be. 

 

About Penny playing 3 tier chess, didn't she beat Leonard the first time he taught her?  Besides really what is left for her and Sheldon to do while they're missing Leonard?  (I say this as a Lenny fan).

 

And the topless movie, well I would think he would watch it because he misses her and if someone happened to watch and say "Oh she's hot", I think he would say it was his girlfriend and not think anything but pride.  Otherwise Leonard is just in the relationship for how Penny looks and I don't think that is the case.

 

Reserving judgment until further reports...

[I.H.S.F.C.]

Howard?....

 

Hah, no not Howard.  But I think Leonard's actions are closer to what the average red-blooded male would do than people on this forum care to admit.  Howard would have rented out a movie theater for a private viewing for everyone he has ever met in this scenario.

[ArmyGirl]

I believe I understand your viewpoint and parts of your disappointment but (and I am sorry for being nitpicky) "loose" and "pathetic" might be a bit strong.

 

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As for Leonard, well... "Pathetic" may be a bit too much. Slightly sad and inappropriate, definitely, but ultimately well-meaning. I agree this particular trope ("look at how pretty my girlfriend is") should be dropped : it has been done before, and done better (the Comic Con photograph had this "hostage picture" dimension that made it much funnier than the upcoming incarnation of the same joke). It is time for the writers to move on. 

 

I migt be over confident but I really do not sense any desire on the writers' part to pander to the Shenny crowd. While TPTB are definitely in love with Sheldon and recognise his potential as a character, he is not their homeboy. Leonard is.

 

Leonard is the character through which they seemingly get to relive (and improve) their nerdy years. He is the guy who gets all the action and all the sympathy. They appear to live vicariously through him and that is all the protection Leonard (and by extension, the Lenny 'shipping) needs. 

 

Shenny is non existent, for all means and purposes. It was never meant to be and has not been developped. Not ever. Sheldon and Penny are great characters together : they are hilarious, their relatioship is loeads of fun to watch and very mving at times, Ms. Cuoco and Mr. Parsons play off each other extraordinarily well. But that is it.

 

Leonard prophesied in the pilot that he would have "smart and beautiful" babies with Penny and so it shall be. 

 

First let me say I know there is no Shenny as for as a relationship but the writers loves throwing the crumbs to the Shenny and it's usually at Leonard's expense, imo.  All of a sudden Penny has a topless movie and shares this information with Sheldon not her boyfriend Leonard (yes I know Sheldon says he knows about it already), why is it always Penny sharing things about her life with Sheldon while it's like pulling teeth for Leonard just to get the smallest tidbit of information from her.  You would think Penny would have a better bond with Leonard and would want to shares these same tidbits of information about herself with him, and please I am tired of hearing that it's due to how she feels about Leonard so it's why she doesn't. 

 

I agree the writers are reliving their nerdy lives through Leonard (heck it came through big times at this year Comic Con; ask me it was a little creepy at how much of one the guys kept going on and on about getting to working with Kaley) but I feel they are going overboard and it is damaging the Leonard character.  Leonard gets enough flak from anti-Leonard and even some Lenny fans that he only wants to be with Penny for her looks, it's old and the writers needs to move on. I don't know in what context the movie is being shown on the boat but you can bet this will be something else that will be held against Leonard for years to come.  If Leonard is the writers homeboy, I really hate so see what it would be like if they disliked the character and I don't see where they are protective of the character or of Lenny to be honest.

 

Yes Leonard can do some crazy things at times --- but we are to believe that Leonard Google Penny and found this movie back when they first met and guess what he shared it with Sheldon.  Come on this is the Leonard that gets upset when Penny says that Sheldon has seen her naked (another secret of P/S) -- the same Leonard that both Penny and Sheldon blew off by saying it was no big deal.  Now we are to believe that Leonard will have no problem sharing this movie with others on the boat, if that is the way it plays out.  As I stated the writers act like they don't even know this character and is willing to do anything for a laugh.

 

The writers are all over the place with Season 7 Premiere and Leonard seem to be the biggest casualty, imo. They couldn't leave it with Leonard having a great time on the boat and loving his new freedom.

Edited August 22, 2013 by ArmyGirl

[Spaced_up]

Does anyone remember how angry Penny got when that guy blogged about their sex life. She threw her phone at him out the window and screamed at him. I see your point but it's Penny they have changed, not Leonard. If she had a semi naked movie available online, why would she care about some guy mentioning their sex life? 

[Chrismo]

 

Does anyone remember how angry Penny got when that guy blogged about their sex life. She threw her phone at him out the window and screamed at him. I see your point but it's Penny they have changed, not Leonard. If she had a semi naked movie available online, why would she care about some guy mentioning their sex life? 

 

without knowing what exactly happened in this episode Penny may have not known it had been released online?

[I.H.S.F.C.]

 

Does anyone remember how angry Penny got when that guy blogged about their sex life. She threw her phone at him out the window and screamed at him. I see your point but it's Penny they have changed, not Leonard. If she had a semi naked movie available online, why would she care about some guy mentioning their sex life? 

 

 

Because most actors can separate their private lives from their acting lives.  What you do on the screen as part of your job is emotionless.  What you do in the privacy of your bedroom is the exact opposite.

[Spaced_up]

Because most actors can separate their private lives from their acting lives.  What you do on the screen as part of your job is emotionless.  What you do in the privacy of your bedroom is the exact opposite.

 

I guess but I can see the Lenny's frustration. They keep periodically upping Penny's sleaze barometer but they don't give them anything else in common. 

[Chrismo]

First let me say I know there is no Shenny as for as a relationship but the writers loves throwing the crumbs to the Shenny and it's usually at Leonard's expense, imo.  All of a sudden Penny has a topless movie and shares this information with Sheldon not her boyfriend Leonard (yes I know Sheldon says he knows about it already), why is it always Penny sharing things about her life with Sheldon while it's like pulling teeth for Leonard just to get the smallest tidbit of information from her.  You would think Penny would have a better bond with Leonard and would want to shares these same tidbits of information about herself with him. and please I am tired of hearing that it's due to how she feels about Leonard so it's why she doesn't. 

 

I agree the writers are reliving their nerdy lives through Leonard (heck it came through big times at this year Comic Con; ask me it was a little creepy at how much of one the guys kept going on and on about getting to working with Kaley) but I feel they are going overboard and it is damaging the Leonard character.  Leonard gets enough flak from anti-Leonard and even some Lenny fans that he only wants to be with Penny for her looks, it's old and the writers needs to move on. I don't know in what context the movie is being shown on the boat but you can bet this will be something else that will be held against Leonard for years to come.  If Leonard is the writers homeboy, I really hate so see what it would be like if they disliked the character and I don't see where they are protective of the character or of Lenny to be honest.

 

Yes Leonard can do some crazy things at times --- but we are to believe that Leonard Google Penny and found this movie back when they first met and guess what he shared it with Sheldon.  Come on this is the Leonard that gets upset when Penny says that Sheldon has seen her naked (another secret of P/S) -- the same Leonard that both Penny and Sheldon blew off by saying it was no big deal.  Now we are to believe that Leonard will have no problem sharing this movie with others on the boat, if that is the way it plays out.  As I stated the writers act like they don't even know this character and is willing to do anything for a laugh.

 

The writers are all over the place with Season 7 Premiere and Leonard seem to be the biggest casualty, imo. They couldn't leave it with Leonard having a great time on the boat and loving his new freedom.

It goes both ways though. Why didn't Leonard tell Penny that he saw her video? Topless and naked aren't the same thing. In video and in person aren't  the same either. Leonard sharing the video while drinking is also different than if he was sober. Is there a reason for him to tell Penny that he showed people the video? He might not even remember doing it. Whose going to hold this against him? In regards to seeing Penny naked It was Sheldon not Howard. Sheldon didnt care. Granted most guys would but it was Sheldon. I also think the idea of TBBT is to make people laugh

[AndyRenee]

First let me say I know there is no Shenny as for as a relationship but the writers loves throwing the crumbs to the Shenny and it's usually at Leonard's expense, imo.  All of a sudden Penny has a topless movie and shares this information with Sheldon not her boyfriend Leonard (yes I know Sheldon says he knows about it already), why is it always Penny sharing things about her life with Sheldon while it's like pulling teeth for Leonard just to get the smallest tidbit of information from her.  You would think Penny would have a better bond with Leonard and would want to shares these same tidbits of information about herself with him, and please I am tired of hearing that it's due to how she feels about Leonard so it's why she doesn't. 

 

Although I would keep in mind a lot of conversations don't usually get shown on screen. And I don't remember a time recently where it was like "pulling teeth" for Lenny. In fact they have seemed more domestic and sweet than ever. I bet she's just missing Leonard. The girl Jennifer who went mentioned that quite a few times. In regards to the Sheldon/Penny conversation, I get the feel it is made to feel like it might be going on for awhile...so she might have just been curious and wanted to keep talking to avoid missing Leonard. You know the ole "I'll share my secret to get you to share yours" and we can open up to talk more.

But I never felt the absence of Penny missing Leonard in this taping report for the episode.

Edited August 22, 2013 by AndyRenee

[Tensor]

I guess it depends on what the definition of "is" is.    Its hearsay evidence anyway....

 

I'll have my lawyer contact your lawyer let them work it out and then we can do lunch.

]My objection is that it puts a bad light on Leonard's whole motivation for his relationship with Penny.

 

 Leonard on the internet, trying to find out more about her, sounds like Howard [creepy], not Leonard. If that sounds judgmental, so be it.

No I understand it, just don't agree with it, but hey, your reasons are your reasons and mine are mine and I'm not sure we have enough information yet.

As for the video, my objections depend on the theme. If its "Girls gone wild, mid west community college edition" that's one thing. If its "Your breast examination and you" that's That second one sounds just like what some nerd would bring to the boat to show on "movie night", right after the one about Stephen Hawking, "Before he became that freaky computer voice"

 

Well, from Jennifer's descriotion in chat last night, it seems as if it was a comercial film, independently produced, of the slasher/thriller variety. it was never realeased to theatres, but somehow found its way onto the Internet. Penny's scene is she gets killed by the killer in the shower.

 

Speaking about motivation......

 

If you ever find yourself saying: "I don't understand why some one thinks __________", step back and try to figure it out. It might help you in life. 

I do understand your point. With the information we have, there are several ways to interpret it. Our interpretations differ, tis cool.

 

I may not agree with people, but I try to understand their perspective, if only for my own nefarious ends. 

Nefarious ends are the best reason to do something

[SRAM]

Why couldn't it been that they both googled her name, when they first met her, to see what movies she had done and came across her topless movie, would have making it sound innocent like that be bad? And couldn't the last scene be Leonard, by himself, watching it with sad lonely look on his face, mumbling 'I miss you'. Even better why did they even go with a storyline of Penny doing a topless movie?

Chiara, you're right 'loose' and 'pathetic' were too strong, but they were better than the first words I thought of and I couldn't think of anything better at the time. What I mean is for Penny they have made her character seem less the good little girl. Season 6 she said she woke up in a hotel with some older guy, rode rides at Disney while exposing herself, etc., so this is another one of those things. Leonard they won't let grow up, they won't let Penny's influence take hold, so when he is on the boat he reverts back to nerdy Leonard, I like that he had fun on the boat and I don't care that Sheldon hugged Penny, but it does bother me that Penny never told her boyfriend all about the night Sheldon saw her naked, and now she tells Sheldon, the child she knows can't keep secrets, her secret about the movie. This only tells me her and Leonard still have comminication issues and they still have a long way to go. Also if Sheldon is such a good friend to Leonard, why didn't he let out the secret about Leonard getting her money back from Kurt, that would have made her feel better about Leonard.

[Chiara]

You would think Penny would have a better bond with Leonard and would want to shares these same tidbits of information about herself with him. and please I am tired of hearing that it's due to how she feels about Leonard so it's why she doesn't.

I am sorry to read that but, unfortunately, I am afraid it is the only explanation. And it is not a particularly far-fetched one, I believe. 

 

I remember an interview Stephen Fry gave once about therapy (his own) and why a man as popular as him would need to resort to a professional to talk about his problems when his many intelligent and perceptive friends would be more than willing to listen to him and help him out with his issues. He replied by saying; if you had a very shameful/ugly rash in a "naughty" place on your body, would you show it to a doctor you know personally/socially or would you find a dermatologist in the phone book, a doctor you have never met and will never meet again, and show it to him/her instead ? 

The answer is, for most people, painfully obvious.

 

Most of us do not want the people we love to know "nasty" things about us for we want them to keep on loving us. 

Penny is, for whatever reason, not proud of that movie. She is actually downright ashamed of it. She does not want the man she loves to be ashamed of her so she keeps it from him. Sheldon conversely, is not somebody whose opinion she values tremendusly. She can let him examine her without any embarassment or remorse. 

 

I agree the writers are reliving their nerdy lives through Leonard (heck it came through big times at this year Comic Con; ask me it was a little creepy at how much of one the guys kept going on and on about getting to working with Kaley) but I feel they are going overboard and it is damaging the Leonard character.  Leonard gets enough flak from anti-Leonard and even some Lenny fans that he only wants to be with Penny for her looks, it's old and the writers needs to move on. I don't know in what context the movie is being shown on the boat but you can bet this will be something else that will be held against Leonard for years to come.  If Leonard is the writers homeboy, I really hate so see what it would be like if they disliked the character and I don't see where they are protective of the character or of Lenny to be honest.

It is old, I agree. but it is not out of character.

 

Leonard's initial attraction to Penny was purely physical. When he said "smart and beautiful" in reference to the babies the two of them would have, he even implicitely assumed Penny had nothing to offer in the brain department (she would be the provider of the "beautiful" bit). That has of course changed over the years. He has learnt to know Penny, to find her funny, smart, full of bravado, dangerously Hulk-like, self-destructive, cowardly, generous and many other things. And he is still as in love as he ever was, if not more. But the beauty thing is still there, floating in the ether. 

 

Perhaps because it is the one thing he cannot quite wrap his mind around. He still cannot get over the fact that she is this pretty. He feels like he won the lottery and wants everyone to know. It is quite childish and, again I agree, it would be great for the writers to move on but... I suppose the novelty of Penny's remarkable physique simply does not wear off. 

 

Yes Leonard can do some crazy things at times --- but we are to believe that Leonard Google Penny and found this movie back when they first met and guess what he shared it with Sheldon.

To be fair, we do not know how much of the film Leonard shared with Sheldon. Did he specifically show him the shower scene (strange) or did he play the film as a whole (because he thought it was good ?) ? 

As for Leonard sharing very personal things with Sheldon, well.. He did narrate the whole mid-sex proposal disaster to him amongst many other private events Penny would have prefered he kept completely secret. Not entirely out of character for him. He, like Penny, likes to use Sheldon as a sounding board. 

 

Also, and it may feel like splittng hair but why the hell not, there is quite a difference between watching somebody's topless body on a computer screen and seeing them completely naked in the flesh. While Leonard may be sort of OK with his best friend (and some crewmates he will never see again) viewing Penny in a film, he may be completely freaked out by any of them being in the room with her while she is disrobed. Just a guess. 

[ArmyGirl]

It goes both ways though. Why didn't Leonard tell Penny that he saw her video? Topless and naked aren't the same thing. In video and in person aren't  the same either. Leonard sharing the video while drinking is also different than if he was sober. Is there a reason for him to tell Penny that he showed people the video? He might not even remember doing it. Whose going to hold this against him? In regards to seeing Penny naked It was Sheldon not Howard. Sheldon didnt care. Granted most guys would but it was Sheldon. I also think the idea of TBBT is to make people laugh

 

Guess we will have to wait and see in what context it plays out and how it will be dealt with during the season.

 

As for Leonard telling Penny about seeing the movie it was her movie and she should have share the information with him, imo.  If she can share the information with Sheldon, she should be able to the same with Leonard.

[Chrismo]

Guess we will have to wait and see in what context it plays out and how it will be dealt with during the season.

 

As for Leonard telling Penny about seeing the movie it was her movie and she should have share the information with him, imo.  If she can share the information with Sheldon, she should be able to the same with Leonard.

They weren't going out during the first season would there have been any reason for her to bring that up? She just shared that info now with Sheldon. It doesn't appear it was that big a deal if Sheldon said nothing at the time either.

[Disgusted]

 

I'll have my lawyer contact your lawyer let them work it out and then we can do lunch.

No I understand it, just don't agree with it, but hey, your reasons are your reasons and mine are mine and I'm not sure we have enough information yet.

 

Well, from Jennifer's descriotion in chat last night, it seems as if it was a comercial film, independently produced, of the slasher/thriller variety. it was never realeased to theatres, but somehow found its way onto the Internet. Penny's scene is she gets killed by the killer in the shower.

 

I do understand your point. With the information we have, there are several ways to interpret it. Our interpretations differ, tis cool.

 Nefarious ends are the best reason to do something

 

 

I guess people like chat because there is no record of what is said.     If there were clarifications, then I stand corrected.

 

That last part wasn't aimed at anyone, just a general observation.

 

BTW sorry for stepping on your previous L/P spoiler thread, I didn't notice it when I put this up.

 

Although, I have to say I'm quite fond of my avatar appearing at the top of every page

[SRAM]

It goes both ways though. Why didn't Leonard tell Penny that he saw her video? Topless and naked aren't the same thing. In video and in person aren't  the same either. Leonard sharing the video while drinking is also different than if he was sober. Is there a reason for him to tell Penny that he showed people the video? He might not even remember doing it. Whose going to hold this against him? In regards to seeing Penny naked It was Sheldon not Howard. Sheldon didnt care. Granted most guys would but it was Sheldon. I also think the idea of TBBT is to make people laugh

I don't think so, he really didn't have a relationship with her till two years after she met him, so he might have wisely decided she didn't want to talk about it so he didn't bring it up. But now finding out she couldn't tell him about it, but could tell Sheldon, she screwed up this time, it is all on her.

[Chrismo]

I don't think so, he really didn't have a relationship with her till two years after she met him, so he might have wisely decided she didn't want to talk about it so he didn't bring it up. But now finding out she couldn't tell him about it, but could tell Sheldon, she screwed up this time, it is all on her.

I think we are going to wait until we actually see the episode. I just don't see the big deal of telling Sheldon. Howard and Raj I see your point. I just think the Penny/Sheldon relationship is a bit different. She's known Sheldon as long as Leonard. Also they were never a couple for two years but L/P both had romantic feelings for one another long before that.

[ArmyGirl]

Why couldn't it been that they both googled her name, when they first met her, to see what movies she had done and came across her topless movie, would have making it sound innocent like that be bad? And couldn't the last scene be Leonard, by himself, watching it with sad lonely look on his face, mumbling 'I miss you'. Even better why did they even go with a storyline of Penny doing a topless movie?

Chiara, you're right 'loose' and 'pathetic' were too strong, but they were better than the first words I thought of and I couldn't think of anything better at the time. What I mean is for Penny they have made her character seem less the good little girl. Season 6 she said she woke up in a hotel with some older guy, rode rides at Disney while exposing herself, etc., so this is another one of those things. Leonard they won't let grow up, they won't let Penny's influence take hold, so when he is on the boat he reverts back to nerdy Leonard, I like that he had fun on the boat and I don't care that Sheldon hugged Penny, but it does bother me that Penny never told her boyfriend all about the night Sheldon saw her naked, and now she tells Sheldon, the child she knows can't keep secrets, her secret about the movie. This only tells me her and Leonard still have comminication issues and they still have a long way to go. Also if Sheldon is such a good friend to Leonard, why didn't he let out the secret about Leonard getting her money back from Kurt, that would have made her feel better about Leonard.

 

Reference the bold part --- this secret will never be shared because it puts Leonard in a good light.   Also haven't you notice that Sheldon has a selective secret  problem?  If it's good for Leonard it will never be told, while on the other hand if it is bad for Leonard, Sheldon will tell it in a heart beat.

 

P/S didn't think it was a big deal about Sheldon seeing Penny naked (even though Penny was in a relationship with Leonard at the time) so their motto forget about Leonard there is no reason he should be told.  The writers and some people like to play up the 'It's Only Sheldon' so it's okay.  It was brought up in Season 5 to show how close and the bond that P/S share and of course getting in a good blow to Leonard was all good for laughs.

I don't think so, he really didn't have a relationship with her till two years after she met him, so he might have wisely decided she didn't want to talk about it so he didn't bring it up. But now finding out she couldn't tell him about it, but could tell Sheldon, she screwed up this time, it is all on her.

 

 

Nope, it's Leonard fault.  Since he found the movie on line it then became his secret to share --- never mind it was Penny secret in the first place.

[Tensor]

I guess people like chat because there is no record of what is said.     If there were clarifications, then I stand corrected.

She was getting hit pretty hard with questions. I don't think it was because of being on record, I think she was just trying to answer as many questions as possible. She's been quite forthcoming and has seemed generally interested in telling people as much as possible, for her first time going.

 

That last part wasn't aimed at anyone, just a general observation.

Kicks stone, digs toe in dirt. Oh, dammit.

 

BTW sorry for stepping on your previous L/P spoiler thread, I didn't notice it when I put this up.

It's not a problem. I was going back and forth, trying to take away pitchforks and dousing torches, along with calming the rioting villagers. I've probably left several different versions.

 

Although, I have to say I'm quite fond of my avatar appearing at the top of every page

Well, you get to have it there again.

[Nogravitasatall]

I guess but I can see the Lenny's frustration. They keep periodically upping Penny's sleaze barometer but they don't give them anything else in common.

Well... I don't see it as sleazy. Its sooooooooo common. It even had a bit in the Oscars for goodness sake. Seth Macfarlane riffed on it. Anne Hathaway riffed on it too with "get nude, get nominated". It's not a big deal. It would be huge to the mid-western girl who had to do it but its not extraordinary for the population of female actors..

Meg Ryan did try it, but it was late in her career and I don't think it helped. And tbh, if L/P had shared that bit of knowledge iit could have been VERY affirming, in that particular personal domain. But it just goes to the common device used in farce and drama of having the wrong people know the wrong things to create tension in the story and the audience (it worked too)

I'm now completely frosty on this.

[Kasey]

Hey if Mary Poppins could show her breasts...

 

 

Just sayin'...