Spoilers Leonard And Penny Season 7 *spoiler* Discussion Thread

[Nogravitasatall]

If it's a real movie, then she is working and he is proud of her work. And he is being self-aggrandising, a little. The primary point perhaps was that his love was in a movie. He may be just be showing off the movie, and that she was in it. I can't get inflamed about that. It may very well be incidental to his point, that she is topless. Its nice to be protective of your partner, but if she is an actress these scenes will occur. It could be a chink in Leonard's armour of wholesomeness and do-good-ery. We will have to see. Its totally relative to the circumstances and ones own beliefs. Maybe it IS art.

Edited August 27, 2013 by Nogravitasatall

[3ku11]

Leonard prob has tons of movies downloaded over the years, and prob has tons of photos of Penny in his Tablet. I remember he took a photo of her and him before he went to comic con last season haha, it is not the first time Leonard has wanted to show off his hot girlfriend. I mean everyone forgets at heart he is still a nerd, the nerd or the geek don't generally get the hot blonde next door, everytime they would go to the comic book stores, all the geeks their would almost pass out everytime Penny shows up. Penny has become one of them, remember Howard was like in S2 "One of us One of us One of us". So in his circle of peers combined with drinking too much, he may of showed the movie like ^ said he is proud of his GF work in a movie regardless of the genre or type of move it is, hey look I am dating a move star! sort of deal he is proud of her it could of just become lost in translation in the taping report who knows . But hey he may wake up and have no recollection of it. My point is nothing is confirmed until the ep appears on TV, he just showed a movie of his hot girlfriend who may or may not be partially nude in a shower, I'm sure Penny won't mind although she told Sheldon to keep quiet, although doesent Sheldon already know but prob doesent care either way haha. Penny may be a bit embarrased but who knows maybe Leonard well be too, it could be a plot device for Leonard and Penny to become even closer.  it well be delt with and they well move on and order a pizza and well come to know it as Leonard's worst hangover

Edited August 27, 2013 by 3ku11

[ArmyGirl]

I can't lie, I am really worry how this will play out and how much damage the writers will do the character Leonard.  I still can't grasp what they were thinking or why they felt the need to go there.  I get so tired of Leonard being made the bad guy and usually over something so stupid in to get laughs.

 

Some still go on and on about Arctic thing, then there is the IYL, then there is the proposal, then there is writing the class paper, enough already.   As a Leonard fan I always wonder what dumb thing the writers will come up with next all in the name of cheap laughter.

Edited August 27, 2013 by ArmyGirl

[Chrismo]

I can't lie, I am really worry how this will play out and how much damage the writers will do the character Leonard.  I still can't grasp what they were thinking or why they felt the need to go there.  I get so tired of Leonard being made the bad guy and usually over something so stupid in to get laughs.

 

Some still go on and on about Arctic thing, then there is the IYL, then there is the proposal, then there is writing the class paper, enough already.   As a Leonard fan I always wonder what dumb thing the writers will come up with next all in the name of cheap laughter.

I think at one point or another they have made everyone look bad on the show. I don't really know if Leonard has been damaged more or less than anyone else. I think you notice more if it's your favorite character. If things go too smoothly for the Lenny what will people talk about. The idea of the show is to make people laugh. 

[Chiara]

I get what you and others are saying about how's it not that big a deal. As @Chiara pointed out he could have shown pictures of her. Part of the problem is this isn't five years ago. I can see showing the topless video then. But I can't imagine showing it now when he wants her as his future wife. I can't imagine showing a topless video of my future wife. 

It is definitely a very unfortunate move from Leonard and I, for one, would certainly welcome the writers' decision no longer to put Penny's physique at the forefront of Leonard's preoccupations. They have, on numerous occasions, made a point of telling us, proving us even, that Leonard is not just into Penny just for her looks. So the "OMG my GF is so beautiful" is ready for retirement. 

 

However, this scene is still a mystery. Let's be honest : it could go either way. Leonard could come out of it looking really sleazy like he could end up seeming "just" remarkably misguided. And everything in between is equally possible.

 

The effect will be a product of several factors : 

- Leonard's general sobriety status : while I do to a certain agree with Bangermain's assessment that drunkenness is not a "get out of jail free" card, alcohol does undeniably alter one's judgment and can make people act foolishly (e.g. Penny and Raj);

- the gender of Leonard's crewmates : while it technically does not change a thing, I have to admit I would feel much more comfortable with Leonard showing off Penny to a predominantly female group (just like I did not feel creeped out by Amy's "come on bestie, show us some skin" while I would have been nauseated had the same line been spoken by one of the guys);

- the exact nature of the scene : it is a shower scene, that we know. But how long is it supposed to be ? Is it just a little thing in passing or some sort of long exposé ? Is it a take on Psycho's most famous moment (which would give the thing a more artsy, less exploitative feel) ? So far no idea;

- the context in which the scene is shown : I have to say I would feel better if in some way the writers let us know that Leonard is showing the whole film to his crewmates and not just the "juicy bits". It will make the whole thing less creepy;

- Leonard's delivery of the line "That's my girlfriend" : this actually gives me rather good hope. Mr. Galecki and Ms. Cuoco share a rather uncanny ability to soften some of the harshest lines the writers give them. Therefore, Mr. Galecki could make Leonard sound like an excited child pointing at the screen, almost jumping up and down, all proud and delighted, which would defuse most of the scene's sleaze potential in my eyes; 

- the overall quality of the film : if the film is a very bad one, then there is little in it for Leonard (and his mates) but the topless scene. if conversely, it is a somewhat decent horror flick, then it can be viewed by anyone for reasons other than Penny's breasts. 

 

Until all these factors are accounted for, I cannot have any precise idea. 

As of now, I am not thrilled with the concept of this scene. It seems like just another version of a joke the writers already made in The Bakersfield Expedition, with the difference that they did it better and funnier back then (the newspaper gave the photograph a "hostage situation" quality which made me laugh). This latest incarnation does not appear to contribute to anything at this point. 

Nevertheless, it may very well all turn out mostly fine. Leonard might end up looking inadvertently crass and completely clueless, something I am willing to forgive him for. People make mistakes and Leonard is neither different nor better in this regard. He is allowed to be very stupid from time to time. That may be one of these instances.

 

Let's cut him a tiny bit of slack : he has not been apart from Sheldon for the best part of 10-ish years and all of a sudden, he is on his own. He does not have to drive anybody to the dentist or take anyone to buy shoes that don't hurt or account for every single minute he spends in the lavatories. Maybe the rarefied air of freedom is making him dizzy and confused.

Edited August 27, 2013 by Chiara

[ArmyGirl]

I think at one point or another they have made everyone look bad on the show. I don't really know if Leonard has been damaged more or less than anyone else. I think you notice more if it's your favorite character. If things go too smoothly for the Lenny what will people talk about. The idea of the show is to make people laugh. 

 

 

I don't mind ups and downs, I just don't like when they made Leonard come off sleazy and I am not one for laugh at any cost.  I'm sure they could have come up with something better than Leonard and Penny's topless movie. 

[Nogravitasatall]

Maybe to this is a chance for Penny to show it IS unconditional love. She would either be reflexive and punch him out or reflective and just smack him around a bit (figuratively). To me it would not be out of character for this to come back to Penny from Leonard as a btw.

If she arcs up he will feel so bad. BUT we are talking about the adult with Subway, Space Mountain, aquatic antics and an adventurous teenhood in her portfolio who preferred to take her virginity out of the box and play with it AND became an actress. If her fear was that LEONARD would see it, well that's gone. If she was afraid the world would see it then oops. That boat sailed well before Leonard left with Hawking's.

And can Leonard look sleazy? I've not noticed. Usually he is a poster boy for moral rectitude. He came off as unbelievable when he tried to hit on the FBI agent.

I'm out on this. (but am going back to the taping report to see how fearful she was and of what)

[3ku11]

I think this could be a real test for Lenny as a couple, if Penny just pushes him or goes "I cannot beleive you knew about that movie all this time, but I suspose I never told you about it too" then make up, then it really is unconditional love. As if this had occured back in S3 Penny would prob dump him on the spot haha, but times have changed and they have both matured in their relationship, I see no problem arising here. Like above said the proclaimition of "Hey! That's my Girlfriend!" could be done of recognition, I cannot beleive I am dating that hot actress playing that hot character in this cool but has quality horror flick haha. Did Leonard put the movie on purposley or were they watching it and Penny showed up, who knows. Leonard when home could just bring it up "Hey Babe just so you don't hear it from anyone else I watched a movie where you had no clothes on at some point while I was away, yes I missed you that much" "OMG you knew about that *embarassed*" "Yeah but it's okay you were great in it :)". Some where the lines of that I am sure well be the context.

Edited August 27, 2013 by 3ku11

[Nogravitasatall]

And back. The taping report reads as Penny was not fussed. If Jennifer could add anything that would be great.

Edited August 27, 2013 by Nogravitasatall

[Tensor]

And back. The taping report reads as Penny was not fussed. If Jennifer could add anything that would be great.

 

Or maybe Monique, if they show it prior to the taping tomorrow night.

[Nogravitasatall]

Or maybe Monique, if they show it prior to the taping tomorrow night.

Why am I excited about that?. Leonard is not the only idiot. LOL

[gsxdoug]

You can quote short passages as long as you give proper attribution. Your post meets both conditions as your link goes to the source. Look up Fair Use.

Thanks Tensor.

[3ku11]

Why am I excited about that?. Leonard is not the only idiot. LOL

Is this the taping report for the second episode?

[BangerMain]

Yeah, I may disagree here. I mean how many men (actually women also, stupid drunk isn't isolated to one gender)cheat on their SO when drunk? As a man I can't really say, but I would think a woman would prefer their SO show a legitamate movie they where in, even topless, rather than cheat on them.

 

Agreed, if his options were show topless movie or cheat on Penny. But logically, his option would be show appropriate photos or videos that prove she is my SO or show topless movie of some unknown woman that proves nothing.

 

As @Chiara said, I'm in that alcohol is not a "get out of jail free card" camp.

Edited August 27, 2013 by BangerMain

[3ku11]

^ I think Leonard showed a movie that his GF stars in maybe he forgot about the topless scene, and it appeared Hey that's my girlfriend recieved with roars haha, so Leonard skipped that part, who knows have to wait till the premiere. Personally I feel Penny well be flatted but JMO.

[ArmyGirl]

Or maybe Monique, if they show it prior to the taping tomorrow night.

 

Thanks Tensor, I hope they do show 7.01 the final result. 

[SRAM]

I'm really interested how the edited 7.01 episode came out. I think this episode is really going to depend on the spin they put on it in the edit room. I am really interested about the scene tonight, when Leonard and Penny finally get back together, I think it might set the tone for the whole season.

[Tensor]

Agreed, if his options were show topless movie or cheat on Penny. But logically, his option would be show appropriate photos or videos that prove she is my SO or show topless movie of some unknown woman that proves nothing.

 

As @Chiara said, I'm in that alcohol is not a "get out of jail free card" camp.

I'm not either, my point was stupid drunk will remove inhibitions enough cheat, why wouldn't it remove enough inhibitions for someone to show a movie where their SO has a nude scene? As far as being a decent guy, people in isolated situations tend to drink more and get a chance to do stupid things more often.

[Chiara]

As far as being a decent guy, people in isolated situations tend to drink more and get a chance to do stupid things more often.

Indeed, even if the scene plays out in the worst possible way, we should not panic.

TPTB like their characters tragically flawed (a reason for their success one may think) but always give them a chance to redeem themselves. The writers like their creatures and want them happy, especially Leonard. So while this scene may look bad even after editing, there will be plenty of time for him to come back from his mistake. 

 

Remember last year when Penny decided she was bored with Leonard, talked about it with the girls and was about to break up with him ? While her doubts about the relationship were understandable considering the canon of her past romantic experiences, this little event did nothing to endear her to the audience (it did not affect Leonard who was blissfully unaware of the whole thing). However, a few episodes later, she came back from the brink of whatever catastrophe she had attempted to set in motion when she realised she loved Leonard  with the softly spoken "Sometimes I forget how smart you are." (The Holographic Excitation). 

This may be Leonard's time to spend some time on the audience's "naughty" list. Just for the sake of him redeeming himself in our eyes a bit later. 

 

Let us all keep calm. Penny and Leonard will end up together. It was decided in the very first episode of the very first season. It may take some more blood, sweat and tears (but noting compared to the fourth season bodily fluids spectacular, I believe) but we will get there. Let's take a deep breath !

Edited August 27, 2013 by Chiara

[SRAM]

It is true Chiara, this may be a throw away episode like 6.02 and we never hear about it again, it is just that many didn't like 6.02 because it didn't really come off well and depending on how 7.01 is edited, it may end up in the same boat (happy coincidence).

[Chrismo]

I just was remembering  back the episode in S/L apartment when Leonard was going out with Priya. They were discussing Penny's acting career. Penny mentioned going on an audition and finding out it was porn and she wouldn't do it. Sheldon made some comment about how could she turn it down considering the state of her acting career. Sheldon didn't mention the video then so you may be all right about never hearing about it again.

[Taperoo]

I can't lie, I am really worry how this will play out and how much damage the writers will do the character Leonard.  I still can't grasp what they were thinking or why they felt the need to go there.  I get so tired of Leonard being made the bad guy and usually over something so stupid in to get laughs.

 

Some still go on and on about Arctic thing, then there is the IYL, then there is the proposal, then there is writing the class paper, enough already.   As a Leonard fan I always wonder what dumb thing the writers will come up with next all in the name of cheap laughter.

 

Leonard can be immature and desperate for affection at times. Which is a direct result of his mother's wacky theories on parenting.

I'd rather see Leonard's flaws being displayed than have him as some shining knight in white armour. I'm not judging Leonard showing his fellow

scientists on the boat the clip of Penny until I've seen the actual episode. Who knows this could be a long running joke "Has everyone seen me in

the slasher film with my boobs hanging out in the shower ?". Cue Howard comments.....

[SRAM]

Wow can you see Howard getting a hold of it. I don't think even Bernie could control the damage.

[Taperoo]

Wow can you see Howard getting a hold of it. I don't think even Bernie could control the damage.

Wouldn't surprise me if he's already seen it. Or it could be a case of "Penny naked in a shower on the internet, why have I not seen this ?!?!?".

Plenty of ways they can play this one. Would not surprise me if the reaction some have had on here is what the writers want, before

throwing in a curve ball into the mix. Tbh it sounds like a rehash of the blog about Penny's sex life.

[ArmyGirl]

The titles of the upcoming episodes for September 26th:

 

7.01 The Hofstadter Insufficiency

 

 

7.02 The Deception Verification

 

 

 

 

eta: Sheldon’s feelings are crushed when Leonard returns. 

 

     Why in the heck would it bother Sheldon that Leonard is home?

Edited August 27, 2013 by ArmyGirl