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I think I can copy and paste this gif of "dance of joy" from Shamy to Lenny thread. It's kind of a relief after the awkward and unpleasant Leonard's behaviour from last episode.

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This gif is fantastic!! Haa! You can all imagine this as the happy dance I was doing on the forum this morning! Haha

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It just seems that she would think that Sheldon and Howard know Leonard knows too. I think in the porn part episode even Sheldon knew not to mention that video considering all seven were at the apartment (and Priya). Raj is the only guy that would have escaped because I'm sure it would have been assumed all the guys saw her topless. I couldn't imagine how Leonard and Howard (and even Sheldon) could explain their way out of that.

They just mocked the hell out of the interest in breasts by having Howard and Raj fixate on their own boobies. In the very next episode after Penny's topless gag. I cannot but wonder if that was not a further messing about with, and deconstruction of, that interest. Their existence and odd reveal perhaps should not surprise anyone. The Raj and Howard business also reminds me of the Steve Martin bit where he says that if HE had breasts he would never leave the house. Equally as stupid as Raj/Howard. Heheheh.

Maybe breasts will be a theme this season. Certainly they made a link. Can they keep it up for another episode. It just occurred to me that they are also mocking raunch culture, of which TAAHM and HIMYM are exponents. Hmm.

I'm thinking Leonard also deserves notice for NOT finding comfort in the arms and britches of his crew mates. :) No Alex redux scenario and he had a good time at sea, and then back at home for a little "stay-cation" time. O happy day.

(And nice to see Numfar get an outing above)

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Another little detail from Roxanne

 

 

One last small thing that made me very happy - in both episodes, Penny was wearing the locket that Leonard gave her in the finale.

 

 

This makes me happy too.  Thanks for bringing  this over and sharing with us Disgusted.

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Well now we know all the guys have seen her naked in some way, she wasn't kidding when she said they would have to drive awhile to find a bar where no one has seen her naked.

 

No only Leonard, Sheldon, and Raj (of their little group) has seen Penny naked.  Howard has only seen her topless. 

 

Your right that joke is surround in truth more than we knew at the time.

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Taping report feeeelllsss! Can we all relax now? Leonard is coming home EARLY to spend a few days with Penny ALONE! Can we just all agree that this episode is going to be awesome???!!!! *happy dances all over the forums*

wow-the shenny hug gone, movie gone.YES HAPPY DANCE

 

what a great boyfriend is leonard to home early

to be with is hot girl for a few days, great surprise for penny.

can not wait for that episode

that is the way to go "team hofstadter"

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Re the locket. I knew it. Cos I'm special that way. They had to keep that in, its the only jewelry she's been given by him. And it took no writing - the wardrobe crew probably have that under very tight control. Something else to watch for besides the shoes, hand bags and Penny Blossoms.

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I have got to say, I'm kinda bummed out by all the Lenny fatalism in this thread. It's taken me two days to read through all of it mostly because everyone seems to assume that all of the writers for TBBT just want to break Leonard and Penny up. When I first read the taping report for the first episode I thought the Tag was potentially funny, if a little stupid, but I read through this thread and suddenly I feel the need to step in and defend it.

 

The scene with Leonard showing the movie at the end, might come off as creepy or weird or OOC if it was done completely wrong, but I highly doubt it will. The scene is important though, because first and foremost IT IS FUNNY, secondly because the movie is mentioned as Penny's secret, and the most likely reason for it to be a secret is because she is afraid of what people (*cough* Leonard) will think of it, by having Leonard not only know about it but be willing to show it to others as an example of her acting ability shows that her fear surrounding the movie is unfounded (like most of her fears and insecurities regarding their relationship). From an in-universe perspective, Leonard is proud of Penny and her work as an actress so if he was questioned about her being an actress (because no one on the boat has seen her act) he would show whatever examples he has to defend her. Most likely there was no video of her in "Street Car Named Desire" for him to show off, and her hemorrhoid commercial is not exactly something to show off, so the best he can do is the movie which she happened to have a topless scene in. If I understand correctly the movie is apparently a slasher/horror movie so odds are the scene is not exactly played for the erotic potential anyways. Besides if it was a cheap slasher Penny could easily be the best actress or actor in the movie, which in and of itself would say something about her acting abilities (it is  a whole lot harder to give a good performance in a bad movie than to give a good performance in a good movie).

 

Was kind of hoping my first post on this forum would be a little different, but oh well.

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Sheldon and Penny hugged so what lol, Penny has hugged Sheldon before even one episode in S3 when Leonard wanted to bring Penny to switzerland for valentines day, and Penny carried across her germs to Sheldon haha, and they got both sick and Leonard had to take Raj instead. It has always been awkward and contrived when Sheldon and Penny hug, partly due to Sheldon's issues with contact, and Penny is a hugger and really social. Penny hugging Sheldon though is no difference if she hugged Howard or Raj theirs no point of difference. They are friends who have one big commonlaritie, they both love Leonard and missed him alot so they had no choice but to bond and use each other to deal with the void in their life. Now Leonard is back status quo resumes. It's funny though how people are now refering to BBT eps, as a Lenny episode or a Shamy episode, although all characters were involved haha, this is not targeted at anyone in particular just making an observation. I loved the taping report Sheldon back to his antagonising best, Amy showing some backbone again, all's good in the BBT universe, 

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No only Leonard, Sheldon, and Raj (of their little group) has seen Penny naked.  Howard has only seen her topless. 

 

Your right that joke is surround in truth more than we knew at the time.

 

 

I think we'll see this again.  Remember how they brought back that Sheldon saw Penny naked when she hurt her arm.  This is TAAHM stuff spilling over to TBBT.  I am just glad the second episode is better.  I can't wait to see Leonard surprise Penny.

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I think we'll see this again.  Remember how they brought back that Sheldon saw Penny naked when she hurt her arm.  This is TAAHM stuff spilling over to TBBT.  I am just glad the second episode is better.  I can't wait to see Leonard surprise Penny.

Woulden't say it is on the same level of Taahm, Sheldon seeing Penny naked was funny tho, how the hero always takes a peek lol. BBT has always delt with that kinda of comedy delicately with the characters. Where as in Taahm its a central theme of the show, older men in relationships it's more prevalent. 

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I am bringing an extract from eirwinrommel post from the S7 spoiler thread here because my response is too Lenny-centric for the more general board. Sorry for the inconvenience.
 

It doesn't seem likely that Leonard will tell Penny he's been showing her movie to others. No 'Penny you should have seen how impressed the guys on the expedition were when I showed them your movie, especially the shower scene.' The only way she'll find out is if they meet at a social event and the other person brings it up. Leonard may not be a genius about relationships, but he's not an idiot either.

Leonard is as far from an idiot as they come but he can be pretty oblivious, especially when under pressure. 
 
While I, very much like you, cannot imagine a scenario in which he would simply tel her that he showed the horror film to some of his colleagues, I think it would be possible for him to blurt it out, innocently almost, in the middle of a conversation about something else.
Let's say Penny has serious doubts about her career and whether she has any talent as an actress, Leonard could try to reassure her by mentioning the production of A Streetcar Named Desire in which he thought she was fantastic and, to make his point more valid by refering to the opinions of people who are not biased by their love for her, add that his crewmates thought her performance was great in that horror film she did. He would not even have to mention the shower scene; it would be implied. 
 
Thanks to MJ, we know that the "That's my girlriend" scene plays out as innocuously as possible and for that I am glad. It could definitely mean that nothing will ever come out of it. Nevertheless, I would like it to come back in some way. Not because I am a big angst-fan but because I think there is some uncharted territory there that deserves to be explored. 
It is now the third time in recent TBBT history that Penny's remarkable physique is put forward as a matter of pride for Leonard : first there was the Comic-Con "hostage" photograph, then there was Pr Proton "You're the genius" and "What do the two of you talk about ?" lines (which, when put together, imply that the only reason Leonard should be happy/proud to be with Penny is because she is hot) and now this... It could be a mere running gag or it could be something more meaningful than that. 
 
We can only assume that Leonard's affections run much deeper than that otherwise he would have given up on Penny a long time ago. However, the writers have so far always managed to sidestep any more in-depth exploration of the nature and reasons of his feelings for her.They had an opportunity when Penny was jealous of Alex and Leonard had to reassure her of his preference but they (willingly, I think) dropped it : instead of having Leonard explain Penny why he wants to be with her and no other woman, they just made him state that he does. No further detail. 

We, the audience, can pretty much guess why : Penny loves Leonard's friends including Sheldon (contrarily to Alex), does not try to change him and enjoys certain aspects of the geek culture (unlike Priya), values and loves him as a person (contrarily to Leslie), accepts him and gives him proofs of her affection (unlike mommy dearest Beverly), serves as a female counterpart to Leonard's daddy role in the Geek Squad family, fights (literally) for them when need be, teaches the boys manliness lessons, etc. We know why she is the one for him. But does Leonard know it ? And what about Penny ? 

 

For a long time, Penny did not question Leonard's affection for the writers had simply not provided her with the introspective qualities necessary to such an exercice; she just took his love for granted, even if it freaked her out a bit. However, since mid-Season 5, Penny has developped a healthier sense of perspective : the first evidence of that was when she asked Leonard if he had "thought it through" when he asked her out in The Recombination Hypothesis. From then on, the writers decided to make her aware of the fact that a relationship with her was no picnic. She showed the same analytical abilities in The Tangible Affection Proof when she explained her reasons for not wanting Leonard to propose anymore and again, with her epiphany, in The Closure Alternative

The writers have given her self-awareness and doubt, two qualities she used to display only when inebriated in the first couple of seasons. Now that she has them, it would be a shame to see them unexploited when it comes to the single most important relationship of her life. 

 

Perhaps the writers are preparing something here.

Perhaps Penny will come to question these instances in which Leonard's love for her appears (I wrote "appears", do not murder me just yet) motivated by her superb physionomy and perhaps she will start feeling slightly uncomfortable as a result of it. 

Perhaps it is all a setup for the Hofstadter version of the epiphany Penny had in the lab in The Holographic Excitation ("sometimes I forget how smart you are"): there, she was reminded that the reason why she cannot let Leonard go is because he is so incredibly intelligent, kind, passionate and willing to do whatever it takes to make her understand the beauty of what he sees. 

 

A little crisis brought forth by Penny's challenge of his motives for being with her may be exactely what they need. After all, Leonard is painfully aware of why he should not want to be with his neighbour (he had a whole daydream about it). It may be high time he figured out and told Penny why, in spite of every good reason under the sun, he still wants her and nobody else.

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No further detail. 

 

The writers will tell you what happened, but they will resist specifying why. Let the audience figure it out for themselves. It allows for varying interpretations, glorious 1500 word essays on motivation, and most importantly, widest possible viewership.

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I guess that since now that the hype is over on the first two episodes, I feel a little disappointed, and I wonder what the real purpose of Leonard's trip was? Was it to give us more Shenny, I don't see any more Shamy, and nothing has really changed for Lenny, so what was the purpose of having him go away for the summer?

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I truly believe the writers wanted to get Leonard off canvas so there would only be P/S storyline.  There is no showing of how the others guys feel with Leonard missing ---- so it would lead you to only one conclusion.

 

Not one picture of Leonard on the boat -- yet there is at least one picture of everyone else in the cast in scenes. 

 

I remember Simon joking about Johnny finding out that Leonard would be off on a boat and 'what's going on with his character' or something to that effect.

 

 

Finally I wonder will the writers finally get Sheldon off canvas so the other characters can be without him and get a storyline without him popping up in every scene?

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