SRAM Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 But at the end of season 6 they were at the top of the world. I agree the last couple of episodes have been difficult to watch at times. As mentioned before it had to happen. L/P were never going to be where people wanted them if she still worked at TCF. Would the chemistry be the same if Penny became a successful actress and Leonard lost his job? It's easier to rip on Penny but as compared to the others who are successful and love their jobs she has nothing(but Leonard). IMO until she finds success in something the L/P relationship is going to be up and down. Hopefully she finds success soon. I have no problem with quiting TCF, I think it was overdue, but I do have a problem with Leonard being OOC and being so unsupportive, then so needy the next episode, where he is afraid she is breaking up with him. I have a problem with him appearing to think she is stupid, in the scavenger hunt, taking advantage of her about the book, pushing/forcing her to act about the divorce and of course this current non support. Aren't all these problems the reason dumped her normal guys for Leonard, because he wasn't like that and wasn't that why we loved them together? The writers IMO are destroying the magic in Lenny this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SodidIwin? Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 I have no problem with quiting TCF, I think it was overdue, but I do have a problem with Leonard being OOC and being so unsupportive, then so needy the next episode, where he is afraid she is breaking up with him. I have a problem with him appearing to think she is stupid, in the scavenger hunt, taking advantage of her about the book, pushing/forcing her to act about the divorce and of course this current non support. Aren't all these problems the reason dumped her normal guys for Leonard, because he wasn't like that and wasn't that why we loved them together? The writers IMO are destroying the magic in Lenny this season? Howard and Bernie did have conflicts during their engagement as Tensor stated in one of his posts and yes there will be conflicts due to Penny quitting TCF and pursuing her acting career. This is a sitcom and if there wasn't conflict then there wouldn't be room for humor. However, how they portrayed Howard and Bernie during those conflicts didn't alter the connection they portrayed they had between them. The conflicts and how the writers are portraying the conflicts or issues that are arising this year are being done IMO in a way that is not showing the connection between Lenny that they had in the past. Of course this is JMO. How a chemistry comes off between a couple in their relationship is purely subjective. My opinion is just that an opinion. It isn't any more right or wrong then anyone who believes that Lenny is lighting fireworks off whenever they are in a scene. But currently I just think the way the writers are handling the bumps in the road that Lenny are currently maneuvering around is causing for me to pause and feel that they aren't portraying that something special they always had between them. Just my opinion, take it for what's worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyGirl Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 I have no problem with quiting TCF, I think it was overdue, but I do have a problem with Leonard being OOC and being so unsupportive, then so needy the next episode, where he is afraid she is breaking up with him. I have a problem with him appearing to think she is stupid, in the scavenger hunt, taking advantage of her about the book, pushing/forcing her to act about the divorce and of course this current non support. Aren't all these problems the reason dumped her normal guys for Leonard, because he wasn't like that and wasn't that why we loved them together? The writers IMO are destroying the magic in Lenny this season?I agree the problem isn't Penny quitting TCF (we all want this taken care of) it's the history of Leonard that had to be scarified for some reason for this Penny arc. Now Leonard doesn't support Penny all of a sudden and Penny's number one fan is Sheldon when we all know it was the other way around. This season Penny is coming off as if she doesn't even like or respect Leonard let along cares about his opinion on important matters that affect their relationship. Leonard is doing everything wrong when it comes to being Penny's biggest supporter and that isn't how things have played out on this show. More and more comments from Penny about Leonard's bedroom skills and now saying it to Raj of all people.I don't know where the writers are trying to go with this latest arc but it's leaving much to be desired for this fan/viewer when it comes to Leonard, Penny, and their relationship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrismo Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 I agree the problem isn't Penny quitting TCF (we all want this taken care of) it's the history of Leonard that had to be scarified for some reason for this Penny arc. Now Leonard doesn't support Penny all of a sudden and Penny's number one fan is Sheldon when we all know it was the other way around. This season Penny is coming off as if she doesn't even like or respect Leonard let along cares about his opinion on important matters that affect their relationship. Leonard is doing everything wrong when it comes to being Penny's biggest supporter and that isn't how things have played out on this show. More and more comments from Penny about Leonard's bedroom skills and now saying it to Raj of all people. I don't know where the writers are trying to go with this latest arc but it's leaving much to be desired for this fan/viewer when it comes to Leonard, Penny, and their relationship. I don't know if you read Dana comment on the spoiler thread. But she said leonard wanted to do it on the couch in front of the dog. Then after they did in the bedroom Leonard commented they did it human style. It seems he causes his own trouble. In regards her decision of not telling him about quitting it seems to me they were equally wrong. While Penny probably should talked to leonard about it Leonard shouldn't of said he was all right about it when he wasn't. As the Shamy fans are probably too excited about the kiss it appears the Lennys are too down about their relationship. Nothing IMO that I've seen has made it seem that Lenny is in such dire straits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hokie3457 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 I still can't understand the reason behind Leonard thinking that Penny quitting her job was a poor one..Was her falling in the debt the only reason... If so I see no reason as to why could'nt he support her financially...Probably there is hidden motive that if Penny becomes a star he feels that she would leave him....And as far as Sheldon saying "We're dreamers" to PennySheldon was there when Leonard dreamt about having smart and beautiful babies with Penny in the 1st episode of the series.And as far as Leonard not having the courage to do bold things...in the 100th episode where he asks out Penny again even after everything goes wrong in his day-dream , I thought required a lot of courage. Of course later the writers went for the wimpy spineless Leonard several several times..so I guess I can see why the writers forgot itOh and I still believe Leonard kissing Penny in season 1 finale is one the boldest move in the entire series... around that time he was shy adorable , but still had enough confidence/courage to ask out Penny twice , and stand to bullies like Kurt twice....clearly much more than the amount he is displaying now a days.. Can't copy and paste only the section I wanted...Sheldon May have been there at Leonard's declaration of smart and beautiful babies, but he dismissed it with the remark that they would also be imaginary.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Throwing this out there IMHO I get the feeling that something did change with Leonard when he came back from the North Sea. I wonder if he is not seeing his relationship with Penny through those rose colored glasses as he was used to. I said after Penny's proposal that Leonard's hesitation and telling Sheldon he didn't know what that meant sent up a red flag to me. Is he testing the waters to see how committed Penny is to the relationship by being let's say not the perfect boyfriend? Is he wondering that the differences in how they view this relationship is something that will potentially divide them in the long run. I don't know if I feel that the relationship is in trouble or that it's merely going through a necessary cleansing of sorts. We all know that both Penny and Leonard are broken and maybe that is the theme of this season - to ultimately fix them.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyGirl Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 (edited) I don't know if you read Dana comment on the spoiler thread. But she said leonard wanted to do it on the couch in front of the dog. Then after they did in the bedroom Leonard commented they did it human style. It seems he causes his own trouble. In regards her decision of not telling him about quitting it seems to me they were equally wrong. While Penny probably should talked to leonard about it Leonard shouldn't of said he was all right about it when he wasn't. As the Shamy fans are probably too excited about the kiss it appears the Lennys are too down about their relationship. Nothing IMO that I've seen has made it seem that Lenny is in such dire straits.We are talking about the Penny that had no problem doing it in the movie theater, elevator, park, and making out in Subway (the restaurant)and the Penny that wanted to make out in Sheldon's spot in Season Three but now she has a problem with it due to a dog being in the room?As for the "TCF" drama, like I said glad Penny quit but didn't like the way she handle it. As for Leonard I posted I wish he had just kept quite and support Penny emotional since she felt he had no say so in what she does.eta: the human style was a joke aka doggie style. So if Leonard deserved snarls for that then so be it. Edited January 15, 2014 by ArmyGirl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SodidIwin? Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Throwing this out there IMHO I get the feeling that something did change with Leonard when he came back from the North Sea. I wonder if he is not seeing his relationship with Penny through those rose colored glasses as he was used to. I said after Penny's proposal that Leonard's hesitation and telling Sheldon he didn't know what that meant sent up a red flag to me. Is he testing the waters to see how committed Penny is to the relationship by being let's say not the perfect boyfriend? Is he wondering that the differences in how they view this relationship is something that will potentially divide them in the long run. I don't know if I feel that the relationship is in trouble or that it's merely going through a necessary cleansing of sorts. We all know that both Penny and Leonard are broken and maybe that is the theme of this season - to ultimately fix them.... I like your theory except then why would they have Leonard revert back to insecure sniveling Leonard of years past begging Penny not to brake up with him? Also, I just can't get passed how he practiced how he was going to lie to Penny in front of Amy, Howard and Raj regarding his support for her decision. They panned each of their faces with their look of WTF! Then it all fell apart during his phone call when his true feeling came shinning through. When would Leonard practice to lie to Penny? I have no idea what the writers are going for down the line, I'm sure they are going to stay together. However, that feeling for each other they always portrayed is lacking for me this season. What good is it if they stay together without that certain something that always made them special. Then they would be just like Leonard's parents! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRAM Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Leonard also went from the romance ninja to let's stay home and have 9 minutes of sex. Give me a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyGirl Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Leonard also went from the romance ninja to let's stay home and have 9 minutes of sex. Give me a break.Yep---- and out of no where this happen! Three steps forward and five steps back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vasu Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Can't copy and paste only the section I wanted...Sheldon May have been there at Leonard's declaration of smart and beautiful babies, but he dismissed it with the remark that they would also be imaginary.No worries about the copy and paste As for Sheldon being there , a dream is a dream and Sheldon being the one to take things literally ,should have considered it. As simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrismo Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 I like your theory except then why would they have Leonard revert back to insecure sniveling Leonard of years past begging Penny not to brake up with him? Also, I just can't get passed how he practiced how he was going to lie to Penny in front of Amy, Howard and Raj regarding his support for her decision. They panned each of their faces with their look of WTF! Then it all fell apart during his phone call when his true feeling came shinning through. When would Leonard practice to lie to Penny? I have no idea what the writers are going for down the line, I'm sure they are going to stay together. However, that feeling for each other they always portrayed is lacking for me this season. What good is it if they stay together without that certain something that always made them special. Then they would be just like Leonard's parents! I took that differently. This is season seven not season 1. Penny has had very little success acting. Leonard tried to be supportive of Penny during the NCIS episode and she got mad at him. She did realize he was trying to help, proposed with a drink in her hand and Leonard didn't say yes. She was mad again. Penny told Leonard he was right not to give an answer the next day and that she quit her job and he was temporarily able to fake his displeasure. While he faked his happiness to the others and got the WTF from them I'm not sure they knew everything that happened earlier. It seemed he wanted to lie to avoid a fight. I think some would have preferred she had more of a plan and let Leonard in on it instead of just winging it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 I like your theory except then why would they have Leonard revert back to insecure sniveling Leonard of years past begging Penny not to brake up with him? Also, I just can't get passed how he practiced how he was going to lie to Penny in front of Amy, Howard and Raj regarding his support for her decision. They panned each of their faces with their look of WTF! Then it all fell apart during his phone call when his true feeling came shinning through. When would Leonard practice to lie to Penny? I have no idea what the writers are going for down the line, I'm sure they are going to stay together. However, that feeling for each other they always portrayed is lacking for me this season. What good is it if they stay together without that certain something that always made them special. Then they would be just like Leonard's parents! True about Leonard reverting. But I also think that Penny is acting off also. I don't know. There is just something not right with the two of them lately I agree. They seem to be trying to one up each other on the snarky comments and getting each other back. Maybe there really is a disturbance in the force... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disgusted Posted January 15, 2014 Author Share Posted January 15, 2014 (edited) True about Leonard reverting. But I also think that Penny is acting off also. I don't know. There is just something not right with the two of them lately I agree. They seem to be trying to one up each other on the snarky comments and getting each other back. Maybe there really is a disturbance in the force... For every gorgeous woman out there, there's a guy tired of banging her....Charlie Harper Edited January 15, 2014 by Disgusted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eirwinrommel Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 (edited) Here we go again, a new taping report and people are running around in circles obsessing over minor (and often misremembered) details melting down over it and seeing the imminent collapse of the world. Edited January 15, 2014 by eirwinrommel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tensor Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Here we go again, a new taping report and people are melting down over it and seeing the imminent collapse of the world. Yeah, maybe it's time for a break from the spoiler threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Yeah, maybe it's time for a break from the spoiler threads. I've been thinking that also.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disgusted Posted January 15, 2014 Author Share Posted January 15, 2014 (edited) Yeah, maybe it's time for a break from the spoiler threads. I've been thinking that also.... LOL Edit: Not speaking about anyone here, but if you're not mentally tough enough to handle the uncertainty of not "knowing", how will you be mentally tough enough to quit cold turkey? Edited January 15, 2014 by Disgusted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eirwinrommel Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 I read this as a Shamy episode, with the other stories as filler. So nothing that the others do (except for maybe Raj talking to the Vet) amount to anything in the long run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrismo Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 I read this as a Shamy episode, with the other stories as filler. So nothing that the others do (except for maybe Raj talking to the Vet) amount to anything in the long run.Actually in the short term you might be right about Raj. that could become more of a story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbangsheldon Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 I liked the Lenny plot in the episode, I thought it was fun and casual and they were teasing each other through the episode and I just thought that's cause they're comfortable with each other. Also HB took care of Cinnamon and then they talked babies. Just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eirwinrommel Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Also HB took care of Cinnamon and then they talked babies. Just saying. Thought about that. It hasn't been brought up since then but it broke the ice on the discussion. Maybe something will happen with L/P while they watch Cinnamon. Or maybe the whole thing was a set-up to get Raj and the Vet together. We'll see when they show the episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 LOL Edit: Not speaking about anyone here, but if you're not mentally tough enough to handle the uncertainty of not "knowing", how will you be mentally tough enough to quit cold turkey? Baby steps.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamerman55 Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 We may not have much choice based on MJ's recent experience. It seems that they may be watching folks trying to take notes, so any reports will have to be from memory. I can't see how much impact our intrepid group of spies can have on The Network's control of the basic plotlines, but apparently they may act. I'm pleased to have a general idea of the episode, as the performers add so much it is hard for anyone to adequately express what the finshed product will look like. I'm sure MJ and the rest do as best they can, but their's is a near impossible task. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRAM Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 I sort of like the idea, the Shamys are spreading, that for Valentines Day that it is a two part episode, 6th and 13th of February. It probably won't happen, but it is a nice thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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